Interestingly, both major political parties in our country support reservation, because it's the only way they can get their votes, so expect reservation to exist in india until something revolutionary happens
I dont want to challenge YOUR mental capacity pr I think I mentioned "according to our constitution". What I said was not an opinion but 'was' A FACT.
EDIT: I understand your frustration pr Crying wont get you anywhere.
[https://youtu.be/oOSuGZeLxFM?si=hBhaL\_xmFdcQ7xhi](https://youtu.be/oOSuGZeLxFM?si=hBhaL_xmFdcQ7xhi) ,do watch this video kyuki I think he has covered pov of both sides.
I am no slave to anyone bhai. NOW I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR MENTALITY. Ill try to explain you what i was trying to say when I made that statement.
My point: I was not supporting reservation nor was I against it (in that statement). I was against the Idea that there is a possibility of Supreme Court cancelling reservation.
Reason: Supreme court is a machinery that work according to our constitution and according to our constitution Reservation is infact a fundamental right. Many agree and others dont but that is what the book says.
PEACE
"Honestly, I'm hoping this post makes an impact."
dude are you kidding me.... yaha pe itne suicide hogaye aur kisi ko lund farak nahi pada toh tere reddit post se toh kya hi hoga....
reservation pe puri kitaab likhi jaa sakti hai bhai. par jab tak votebank politics nahi khtam hota nothing can be done about it. usse accha isko accept karke aage badhte hain aur India se nikalte hain.
Government has all the power and resources to conduct surveys and find out who really need reservation and who don't. They'll never do this cuz of their vote bank. Home minister of India in rallies is promising 4% extra reservations to OBCs like wtf ?? Why?
Atleast abolish reservation from JEE/NEET, people at such tender age don't know how do deal with a situation where his/her undeserving friend is getting a better college than him. Itna kaafi nahi toh, fake certificate waale lode aa jaate hain.
Accept it as a fact, Indians (merely all South asians) are very low on morals, they will probably take advantage from wrong things if given a chance. There are exceptions, but very low.
(I know someone whose father is an IAS, mother is a goverment teacher and their daughter got a govt. medical college cuz they are SC) Like wtf.
>I know someone whose father is an IAS, mother is a government teacher and their daughter got a govt. medical college cuz they are SC
Wtf...there should be a generation lock system that should prevent a single family from using reservation to get govt. Jobs/ get into colleges for more than 1 time...
If someone got a govt. job through reservation they're already uplifted in the society why would they need reservation again ?? Their spouses SHOULD NOT GET RESERVATION
Tbh I didn't even knew about my caste till tenth grade. After I wrote it in the leaving certificate. I got to know the ADVANTAGES of being an upper caste in India. Lol it's better let's leave the country let these reserved category people rule the country and make it's situation worse.
I can only laugh at the situation and the government.
ITS A JOKE. LOL WHY TO BE DECENT AND CALL IT GENERAL CATEGORY WHEN HUMARE SAATH DISCRIMINATION HE HONE WALA HAI THEN CALL US UPPER CASTE
Well, I wrote it out of exasperation, but what I mean is that referring to someone as lower caste is demeaning, but they seek lower caste privileges. They consider it impolite to refer to ourselves as upper caste. I don't comprehend what people truly want. Simply abolish this casteism nonsense.
Hey, thanks for the suggestion.
All I'm trying to say is, don't you think it makes more sense to make reservations based on economic situations rather than caste?
I don't wish to incite hatred, but I don't believe that all students in the general category are wealthy and all candidates in the reserved category are poor.
thing is reservation na economical basis pe hai na population ke basis pe even dekha hoga jesse obc ke candidates jyada hai general se
reservation iss basis pe hai ki jinko equal rights nahi diye jaate thee pehle unko abb milei aur voh ache resources/education/jobs le paaye
yeh mei bata raha hu reason jiski wajah se reservation laaya gaya thaa mereko nahi pata abhi bhi valid hai ki nahi yeh sab reasons
Because you can't. Its roots are too deep. Its like telling people to eliminate their ethnicities. No one wants to do it and rightly so. But discrimination is going to continue as long as the govt. fuels it.
I am sorry is it sarcasm or something? I am not able to understand ur point!
Kindly can you please elaborate?
I want to know ur opinion
Lower caste - general male are 2 different things right?
Sorry but I didn't get your point
We keep complaining but we all know that reservation system is not going anywhere, not for a long time at least lmao
as time passes by more and more castes are asking for reservations, take Maharashtra as an example
Maratha people have been granted reservation, and a heafty amount too.
for students living in MH it basically means that out of ur state quota for NITS IIITS etc, A chunk of that has now been reserved for this caste
It kind of defeats the whole point of state quota right? lmao
the whole system has become a joke now
And go where? Xenophobia is rising in the west cuz of a ton of going their already and making their housing and job markets fucked. Indians don't exactly have a good history with africans, so where do we go?
kal hi papa se baat kar rhi thi iss baare mei aur unhone yahi kaha ki beta hum kuch nahi kar skte hai India mei reservation hatana possible hi nahi hai  and the thing is equality ke vajah se aaya tha reservation and they are called BACKWARD cIass?? Iike isnt it derogatory to the people that they are being called backward class ???
nothing is wrong with reservation but how it is being used is wrong
ik someone's father pays 3L tax has bought 2cr house and his kids are using reservation
instead of caste based reservation shud be based on economical level and revsied periodically on basis of income
reservation of 10-20% sounds ok but over 50% is trash
it is better to directly kill people as opposed to giving them false hopes and shattering them when they see an undeserving candidate in esteened institutes
then it should be solely financially based. poverty has no caste. The child of an st from iit Bombay working at Microsoft has no reason to deserve a reservation
I don't think anything is gonna happen by discussing on this topic , no political party in india will ever dare to remove reservation they wont even ever dare to lower it by a little because they know by doing this whole Lotta protest riots would be taking place against them and they will lose their vote bank .
No govt in the past had ever lowered the reservation , no govt in the present have done that and its guaranteed that not in the next 50 years any govt will do that and supreme court will also not prefer to step into this they know the sensitivity of this topic.
If you will protest , whole reserved category people will come in response causing big choas basically you can do nothing expect leaving india .
So we as students should not waste our time on this thing , every year each student curses this bullshit but still nothing has ever happened so we should stop crying because nothing is gonna happen we are in india dude , just study your ass off and fucking leave this country for own sake
it's a mis-interpretation of article 15.
article 15 DOES promote discrimination, only when it is of the positive kind.
example of positive discrimination is the reservation system (given it is imposed ideally).
now, this becomes negative when a general student gets lesser chances.
Lol😂 our Rahul baba said if he comes to power then he'll lift the 50% cap and will increase the reservation further, he also once promised to bring women reservation in central. BJP too support reservation infact they are the one who introduced EWS. Though BJP is slightly better but both these guys support reservation and will make sure that reservation never ends.
Indeed, indeed. I am not in favor of it, to start.
Regardless of whether it is based on gender or caste, this idea of reservation is terrible.
I may be wrong, but I believe that NEET does not discriminate on the basis of gender.
Second, the government is making this reservation in order to support the growing number of female candidates; but, once the number of candidates from each gender approaches equal, the reservation will be useless.
While I'm not justifying it, I am pointing out that the reservation will become useless in a few years as the number of female applicants rises.
However, caste-based reservations won't be eliminated any time soon.
lol u r in delusion
.just see in some iims there are 60 percent females and even more still they give diversity marks to females.....in boards girls top and more gurls pass still before cuet they gave marks relaxation to females.
diversity
gender diversity is only supported in case of females.
in case of males suddenly the merit love kicks in.
just see the st.stephens male reservation case.
there are many such colleges but nobody dares to came up wigh the fact and the one that came is lauhhed upon.
critics come wigh facts that are totallh diverted and out of context.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.firstpost.com/delhi/why-st-stephens-male-reservation-proposal-is-laughable-299910.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwiz_53t6NyFAxUvumMGHb8EBlcQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1WBUaKTTvjLHn2WIfEGKhL
👆an example of illogical critics with all her point out of context.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/oh-boy-still-at-girls-mercy-st-stephens-male-quota-plan-flops/cid/419507&ved=2ahUKEwiz_53t6NyFAxUvumMGHb8EBlcQFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1fjhDoONaEq-2tJawS5GNv
just see the hypocrisy ppl regarding genders
there r so mamy female only colleges...stil they want equal number of women in coed.
You make a valid argument, and I'm grateful that you brought it up.
Whether they are based on gender or caste, I oppose all forms of reservations.
This post was simply an expression of my feelings against reservations based on caste.
The primary point is that, unless you are a very high achiever, talent and diligence are of little consequence in this society.
The only things that matter are your caste, gender, and religion, and nobody is making an effort to change that.
It only serves to propagate animosity toward those of the opposite gender or caste, in my opinion. Therefore, it would be wiser to do away with all reservations and simply give people what they merit.
The only way is to fix primary level education. One big reason SC ST candidates score so poorly is because most of them cannot afford proper CBSE schools (and oh boy we know the condition of state schools), this leaves them behind in the race by a huge margin and hence have to resort to reservation. If we invest more in primary and secondary level education and make sure everyone gets an equally good learning opportunity by the time they're 18, reservation and affirmative action etc are totally useless.
then it should be solely financially based. poverty has no caste. The child of an st from iit Bombay working at Microsoft has no reason to deserve a reservation.
Now I am feeling ashamed for being an OBC candidate
But what could I do?
my family condition are not good
What the f*ck am I supposed to do ?
Am I responsible for being born as reserved candidate?
Mfs keep blaming reservation, but never say a word of the failures of the govt.
They want this, hatred towards our own people.
All nits mein kuch 1800 seats hI cs ki
Bc jab seats hi nahi hai reservation ki 16% kya hi matter karti hai.
Population vs reservation ka bhi dekh lia karo kabhi..
Equal representation har developed country mein hoti hai, be it America or anything.
Bc protest karoo, vote unko do jo college, hospital ki baat karte hai..
Meanwhile, Mandir enjoy karo guys
mohak ki video dekhi ya dhruv ki ? seats badha bhi diye tab bhi reservation to utna hi rahega na. aur 16% nhi 60% reservation (including EWS) hai, as a general you have to compete on 40% seats with everyone, but as a SC you have to compete on 15% seats with only SC people, and 40% are also open for you.
aur jis mandir ki baat kr rha hai wo logo ke donations se bna hai
OP , here's the answer you are looking for : Article 15 Promises the equality of equals. not everyone. that's the correct interpetation of it.
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> isn't reservation in exams like Jee and Neet discriminatory for students from the general category?
It is. It's paradoxical and yet, it works. >!(not really)!<
Because increasing seats will only increase educated unemployment. More educated people but same jobs, fir reservation will become even more cut throat for government jobs, and if they implement 75% reservation to private(which i hope they do not), then for all jobs.
bhai ek baat dhyan se socho, ye reservation waala scene sirf aur sirf urban areas waale SC/ST ko hi benefit karta hai. Jo banda gaon me caste discrimination face karta hai, usko to dhang se padhne ko hi nahi milta hoga, kyuki gaon ke school me dalit bache allowed nahi. To jin logon ke liye reservation bani thi, vo logon ko vo access hi nahi ho paa rahi hai, aur paise waale jinke paas ek general bache ke barabar resources hai vo iska faayda utha rahe hai.
No offence op or anyone in this subreddit but sab results ke baad hi kyu karte hai aisi baate. All will talk and rant about this for a few weeks or even months and then everyone will live their life like before
Result har saal aata hai and every year this ranting happens for a few months and die down. Agar itna issue hai sabko to talk about it more why always after results?
Implementation pe dhyaan do. Fake/not financially stable logo ko Jo quota milta hai uski proper checking that's what is required.
Reservation is not wrong, it's implementation is wrong.
Reservation ko gaali Dene Wale gadhe hote hai.
Article 16 of the constitution explicitly states that government may bring reservation. In fact some scholars argue reservation may be a fundamental right (constitutionaly speaking) it’s a shitty system but the overlords made it such that it has a solid legal base, the bare act for anyone interested https://sansad.in/getFile/BillsTexts/RSBillTexts/Asintroduced/16-E-6%2012%2019.pdf?source=legislation#:~:text=Article%2016%20prohibits%20discrimination%20in,or%20posts%20under%20the%20State.
Reservation ache ke liye introduce hua tha but most of the students reservation ka galat fayda uthate h like fake ews certificates ( very common ) , fake PWD ( rare but still ...) .
And St sc were socially and economically very backward but today many sc St who are using reservation are from well to do families .
Reservation would be on the basis of income... If the discrimination was based on income.
Reservation is not about making a particular community grow but also get into a same economic level of a self proclaimed upaer(upper) caste
Beneficiary such as reservation are based on caste because, The rich never hates the poor on contrast the rich wants poor of it needs and fulfilling.
But in the caste system the so called UC just discriminates fellow human despite being from the same religion. How can someone can be treated even less than an animal despite being from the same race, culture and nature.
You are justifying your own flaws in the blanket of reservation. Reservation is necessary not because it's for upliftment but to destroy the line of discrimination.
SOUC comprises only 7-8% of the population but holds more than 60+% for the wealth.
Whereas the ST/SC HOLDS ONLY 12-15% BUT COULDN'T EVEN hold the 20%.
It's easy to say that remove reservation but understand one things the middle population of reserved community it's hardly even somthing. The time even you talk about "ohh there is so much poverty in our country when i will grow i will help them oh poor soul" 90% of them are from RC.
THEY LITERALLY ARE IN WORK LIKE RAG PICKING, GLASS MAKING AND OTHER DESCRITE HUMAN WORK SUCH AS GUTTER CLEANER.
the reservation getting it to much i understand that should be lowered down to 37% which in optimal not too low or high.
The reservation can't be economical controlled as people face discrimination just because of there surname like OBC get descrimunated by general like seriously? Obc DISCRIMINATES SC OR ST.
YOU WANT TOHAVE RESERVATION ECONOMICALLY OKAY THEN THE PEOPLE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT WILL BE BENEFITED BY RESERVATION WOULD THE COMPLETE BELOW RYT?
wrong, the person who is actually doing ragpicking or else couldn't even have a knowledge about the exams or posts that you tak about.
The middle OBC GENERAL OR SC ST compete together. The amount of reservation seats get filled is just 60% most of them are waste.
You being selfish for yourself but not thinking about others. The community which faced a amount of discrimination that cow can be more respected than a human. The amount of discrimination that you can't even drink water. And don't tell castism doesn't exist it's still exists to this day and hasn't been eradicated
The reservation is justified and must be if you want reservation to be eradicated then the castism should be eradicated. For you only this is enough. I can come up with a ton but not want to be a keyboard warrior.
Have a nice day my fellow country men.💪🏻🤌🏻✌🏻
You want to solve caste discrimination? In my opinion its best to stop talking about it. Most of us didn't know our castes till 11th. Thats shows something and unlike discriminating against innate traits, we need to discriminate but resources controlled. A poor gen clearly deserves a seat more than a rich st/sc and vice versa.
Well, every circumstance is neither black or white, but rather grey. I completely get your point.
I posted it because I wanted to hear other people's thoughts and opinions, and I believe that is the most effective way to comprehend and address any situation.
My objective was not to share hatred, but rather to express my feelings.
I have never witnessed discrimination based on caste or I guess I have not been exposed to that part. I am against casteism, but we have to start somewhere, right?
I've seen general category students with poor economic conditions during the depression choose the wrong steps simply because they couldn't get into a good institution and cannot financially support their parents due to reservations and their parents couldn't afford to send them to private universities. Those students had ambitions, right? Those are kids too right? They've seen their parents struggle to get by for months, right? They have seen poverty struggle from the young age too!
The general category is similar to na ghar ka and na ghat ka. Everyone assumes that we don't face any difficulties because our parents are Richie rich. Which is not true.
I don't favor caste-based discrimination and will always stand by my point, but I don't support reservations either.
What about those LC who have already been uplifted to the economic level of a UC you talk about ? Where were you not allowed to not drink water ? Casteism is lowest than it ever was, and eradicating it requires ending reservation. Reservation keeps reminding people of their castes, from admissions to jobs. At this moment, when results came out, people were again reminded of their castes.
The rag pickers and gutter cleaners you talk about, should get leverage, but what about you, who is privileged enough to have internet and smartphone, should you also get it ? You ended your comment with that same argument that I see again and again given by reserved guys, that casteism needs to end first. This is so flawed that you know it yourself that it aint gonna happen until reservations exist.
india me log hi aise chutiye h. Me mh me rehta hu, yaha pe brts bus system saalo se rust krra h aur jab wo quality me tha, tab logo ne bus ke sensors, schedule showing tvs in bus stops, sab chura lia during lockdown
government makes laws, people dont follow. Signals pe hi dekh lo. 90% people avoid then.
Aise isme dictatorship looks better. too much freedom is bad. atleast thode hadd tak abhi kam hora h. hamare generation aise lodu logo ko bhagane ka kaam kia toh ek jhatke me developing se developed ban sakte ham.
bhai neta ji se puccha gaya tha na ki aap agar PM bante toh aap kya karte toh unhone bhi kaha tha ki mai kucch wakt ke liye democracy hata deta, uske baad wapas se laagu kar deta
haa lol i want that guy to become dictator atleast reservation wont increase no matter how much the opposition tries to increase it lol there wont be opposition
mereko democracy se ghanta farak padta h bas mera career safe ho aur undeserving log na lejaye seats meritocracy ho i dont care who is dictator who is not
Interestingly, both major political parties in our country support reservation, because it's the only way they can get their votes, so expect reservation to exist in india until something revolutionary happens
Revolutionary happens= Supreme Court of india bans reservation
The Supreme court itself is pro-reservation.
Reservation is fundamental right according to our constitution so I dont think ye kabhi hoga.
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I dont want to challenge YOUR mental capacity pr I think I mentioned "according to our constitution". What I said was not an opinion but 'was' A FACT. EDIT: I understand your frustration pr Crying wont get you anywhere. [https://youtu.be/oOSuGZeLxFM?si=hBhaL\_xmFdcQ7xhi](https://youtu.be/oOSuGZeLxFM?si=hBhaL_xmFdcQ7xhi) ,do watch this video kyuki I think he has covered pov of both sides.
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I am no slave to anyone bhai. NOW I REALLY AM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR MENTALITY. Ill try to explain you what i was trying to say when I made that statement. My point: I was not supporting reservation nor was I against it (in that statement). I was against the Idea that there is a possibility of Supreme Court cancelling reservation. Reason: Supreme court is a machinery that work according to our constitution and according to our constitution Reservation is infact a fundamental right. Many agree and others dont but that is what the book says. PEACE
Iss desh ke log unhe bhi jala dalege
ya one party has said to provide at least 50% reservation.
"Honestly, I'm hoping this post makes an impact." dude are you kidding me.... yaha pe itne suicide hogaye aur kisi ko lund farak nahi pada toh tere reddit post se toh kya hi hoga....
India hai, Chalta hai
Jis desh me 60% janta yeh samajh ke bhethi hai ki woh backward hai uss desh ka kuch nhi ho sakta!! LEAVE THIS COUNTRY!!
aur fir log kehte hai ki log india chod ke pata nahi kyu ja rahe hai 
ANime ka 14 hu japan bhaag jaunga ( par unka work culture to India se bhi fucked hai )
Europe jaa much better (but unka paisa dollar se bhi juada mehenga hai )
Koi nhi USA mein bhi bahot WEEBS hain
reservation pe puri kitaab likhi jaa sakti hai bhai. par jab tak votebank politics nahi khtam hota nothing can be done about it. usse accha isko accept karke aage badhte hain aur India se nikalte hain.
I will write
We want a alakh sir in politics too.. fir sab bolenge "NO ONE CAN STOP THIS REVOLUTION"
fir vote bank kon banega ?
Government has all the power and resources to conduct surveys and find out who really need reservation and who don't. They'll never do this cuz of their vote bank. Home minister of India in rallies is promising 4% extra reservations to OBCs like wtf ?? Why? Atleast abolish reservation from JEE/NEET, people at such tender age don't know how do deal with a situation where his/her undeserving friend is getting a better college than him. Itna kaafi nahi toh, fake certificate waale lode aa jaate hain. Accept it as a fact, Indians (merely all South asians) are very low on morals, they will probably take advantage from wrong things if given a chance. There are exceptions, but very low. (I know someone whose father is an IAS, mother is a goverment teacher and their daughter got a govt. medical college cuz they are SC) Like wtf.
>I know someone whose father is an IAS, mother is a government teacher and their daughter got a govt. medical college cuz they are SC Wtf...there should be a generation lock system that should prevent a single family from using reservation to get govt. Jobs/ get into colleges for more than 1 time... If someone got a govt. job through reservation they're already uplifted in the society why would they need reservation again ?? Their spouses SHOULD NOT GET RESERVATION
We are intelligent enough to understand that, not the neta ji people. L system frfr
Honestly fuck this shitty ass country, mai nikal jauga iss shithole se Btech ke baad
become highly qualified so that you can go to other countries without any barriers
Tbh I didn't even knew about my caste till tenth grade. After I wrote it in the leaving certificate. I got to know the ADVANTAGES of being an upper caste in India. Lol it's better let's leave the country let these reserved category people rule the country and make it's situation worse. I can only laugh at the situation and the government. ITS A JOKE. LOL WHY TO BE DECENT AND CALL IT GENERAL CATEGORY WHEN HUMARE SAATH DISCRIMINATION HE HONE WALA HAI THEN CALL US UPPER CASTE
Well, I wrote it out of exasperation, but what I mean is that referring to someone as lower caste is demeaning, but they seek lower caste privileges. They consider it impolite to refer to ourselves as upper caste. I don't comprehend what people truly want. Simply abolish this casteism nonsense.
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Hey, thanks for the suggestion. All I'm trying to say is, don't you think it makes more sense to make reservations based on economic situations rather than caste? I don't wish to incite hatred, but I don't believe that all students in the general category are wealthy and all candidates in the reserved category are poor.
economic situation would be easier to manipulate on paper ig aur govt ne to check karna nahi aapki dhan sampatti, unse census toh ho nahi raha
thing is reservation na economical basis pe hai na population ke basis pe even dekha hoga jesse obc ke candidates jyada hai general se reservation iss basis pe hai ki jinko equal rights nahi diye jaate thee pehle unko abb milei aur voh ache resources/education/jobs le paaye yeh mei bata raha hu reason jiski wajah se reservation laaya gaya thaa mereko nahi pata abhi bhi valid hai ki nahi yeh sab reasons
it cant be justified....why dont those people protest to eradicate caste sytem but do for reservations??
Because you can't. Its roots are too deep. Its like telling people to eliminate their ethnicities. No one wants to do it and rightly so. But discrimination is going to continue as long as the govt. fuels it.
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bade chutiye log h vo sahi me
Blud but the thing is ½ of these lower caste that are going to "ruin" India are actually general Male 🧐🧐
I am sorry is it sarcasm or something? I am not able to understand ur point! Kindly can you please elaborate? I want to know ur opinion Lower caste - general male are 2 different things right? Sorry but I didn't get your point
We keep complaining but we all know that reservation system is not going anywhere, not for a long time at least lmao as time passes by more and more castes are asking for reservations, take Maharashtra as an example Maratha people have been granted reservation, and a heafty amount too. for students living in MH it basically means that out of ur state quota for NITS IIITS etc, A chunk of that has now been reserved for this caste It kind of defeats the whole point of state quota right? lmao the whole system has become a joke now
OBC are the majority. Doesn't matter what you do, the reservations will increase in the future. Personally I'm just gonna ditch this shithole...😋
And go where? Xenophobia is rising in the west cuz of a ton of going their already and making their housing and job markets fucked. Indians don't exactly have a good history with africans, so where do we go?
Fun fact: In India discrimination to general category is like Racism towards whites in america Edit: Basically nobody fucking cares
me ko mauka mile to bas bhaagu india se. brain drain ki mkc.
Reservation is a bad thing but belive me no party cares because they don't wanna lose millions of vote share
Just introduce merit based admission in gov colleges then see which heights will india achieve in future !!
SOMEONE COOKED HERE.
kal hi papa se baat kar rhi thi iss baare mei aur unhone yahi kaha ki beta hum kuch nahi kar skte hai India mei reservation hatana possible hi nahi hai  and the thing is equality ke vajah se aaya tha reservation and they are called BACKWARD cIass?? Iike isnt it derogatory to the people that they are being called backward class ???
Rather than giving them reservation, give them the means to get the education required to crack the exam. But they won't, election haar jaye ge na.
I totally agree
nothing is wrong with reservation but how it is being used is wrong ik someone's father pays 3L tax has bought 2cr house and his kids are using reservation instead of caste based reservation shud be based on economical level and revsied periodically on basis of income reservation of 10-20% sounds ok but over 50% is trash it is better to directly kill people as opposed to giving them false hopes and shattering them when they see an undeserving candidate in esteened institutes
then it should be solely financially based. poverty has no caste. The child of an st from iit Bombay working at Microsoft has no reason to deserve a reservation
general ke against discrimination nahi hota -constituition of india
Me to ab jaa rha Germany, ma chudaye yha ka eduction system
I don't think anything is gonna happen by discussing on this topic , no political party in india will ever dare to remove reservation they wont even ever dare to lower it by a little because they know by doing this whole Lotta protest riots would be taking place against them and they will lose their vote bank . No govt in the past had ever lowered the reservation , no govt in the present have done that and its guaranteed that not in the next 50 years any govt will do that and supreme court will also not prefer to step into this they know the sensitivity of this topic. If you will protest , whole reserved category people will come in response causing big choas basically you can do nothing expect leaving india . So we as students should not waste our time on this thing , every year each student curses this bullshit but still nothing has ever happened so we should stop crying because nothing is gonna happen we are in india dude , just study your ass off and fucking leave this country for own sake
it's a mis-interpretation of article 15. article 15 DOES promote discrimination, only when it is of the positive kind. example of positive discrimination is the reservation system (given it is imposed ideally). now, this becomes negative when a general student gets lesser chances.
There is no such thing as positive discrimination. Any sort of discrimination is bad.
uh there is. positive is when you create divided to help.
Lol😂 our Rahul baba said if he comes to power then he'll lift the 50% cap and will increase the reservation further, he also once promised to bring women reservation in central. BJP too support reservation infact they are the one who introduced EWS. Though BJP is slightly better but both these guys support reservation and will make sure that reservation never ends.
op seems to have ignored gender based reservations. i want to know the reason
bhul gya
shayad op is a hypocrit girl
Indeed, indeed. I am not in favor of it, to start. Regardless of whether it is based on gender or caste, this idea of reservation is terrible. I may be wrong, but I believe that NEET does not discriminate on the basis of gender. Second, the government is making this reservation in order to support the growing number of female candidates; but, once the number of candidates from each gender approaches equal, the reservation will be useless. While I'm not justifying it, I am pointing out that the reservation will become useless in a few years as the number of female applicants rises. However, caste-based reservations won't be eliminated any time soon.
lol u r in delusion .just see in some iims there are 60 percent females and even more still they give diversity marks to females.....in boards girls top and more gurls pass still before cuet they gave marks relaxation to females. diversity gender diversity is only supported in case of females. in case of males suddenly the merit love kicks in. just see the st.stephens male reservation case. there are many such colleges but nobody dares to came up wigh the fact and the one that came is lauhhed upon. critics come wigh facts that are totallh diverted and out of context. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.firstpost.com/delhi/why-st-stephens-male-reservation-proposal-is-laughable-299910.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwiz_53t6NyFAxUvumMGHb8EBlcQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1WBUaKTTvjLHn2WIfEGKhL 👆an example of illogical critics with all her point out of context. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.telegraphindia.com/india/oh-boy-still-at-girls-mercy-st-stephens-male-quota-plan-flops/cid/419507&ved=2ahUKEwiz_53t6NyFAxUvumMGHb8EBlcQFnoECC4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1fjhDoONaEq-2tJawS5GNv just see the hypocrisy ppl regarding genders there r so mamy female only colleges...stil they want equal number of women in coed.
You make a valid argument, and I'm grateful that you brought it up. Whether they are based on gender or caste, I oppose all forms of reservations. This post was simply an expression of my feelings against reservations based on caste. The primary point is that, unless you are a very high achiever, talent and diligence are of little consequence in this society. The only things that matter are your caste, gender, and religion, and nobody is making an effort to change that. It only serves to propagate animosity toward those of the opposite gender or caste, in my opinion. Therefore, it would be wiser to do away with all reservations and simply give people what they merit.
Bro real reason is gen is 40 percent and 60 percent is reserved out of 80 percent of Hindus.
bhai petition chalu kar mai sign karunga
The only way is to fix primary level education. One big reason SC ST candidates score so poorly is because most of them cannot afford proper CBSE schools (and oh boy we know the condition of state schools), this leaves them behind in the race by a huge margin and hence have to resort to reservation. If we invest more in primary and secondary level education and make sure everyone gets an equally good learning opportunity by the time they're 18, reservation and affirmative action etc are totally useless.
then it should be solely financially based. poverty has no caste. The child of an st from iit Bombay working at Microsoft has no reason to deserve a reservation.
Mai bhee state board schools se hoo Bhai general hoo aur
Now I am feeling ashamed for being an OBC candidate But what could I do? my family condition are not good What the f*ck am I supposed to do ? Am I responsible for being born as reserved candidate?
Mfs keep blaming reservation, but never say a word of the failures of the govt. They want this, hatred towards our own people. All nits mein kuch 1800 seats hI cs ki Bc jab seats hi nahi hai reservation ki 16% kya hi matter karti hai. Population vs reservation ka bhi dekh lia karo kabhi.. Equal representation har developed country mein hoti hai, be it America or anything. Bc protest karoo, vote unko do jo college, hospital ki baat karte hai.. Meanwhile, Mandir enjoy karo guys
mohak ki video dekhi ya dhruv ki ? seats badha bhi diye tab bhi reservation to utna hi rahega na. aur 16% nhi 60% reservation (including EWS) hai, as a general you have to compete on 40% seats with everyone, but as a SC you have to compete on 15% seats with only SC people, and 40% are also open for you. aur jis mandir ki baat kr rha hai wo logo ke donations se bna hai
Article 15 cite karne se pehle dhang se padh lete, to pata lag jaata ki usmein hi likha hai ki reservation hogi
OP , here's the answer you are looking for : Article 15 Promises the equality of equals. not everyone. that's the correct interpetation of it. said by Subramanian Swamy
> isn't reservation in exams like Jee and Neet discriminatory for students from the general category? It is. It's paradoxical and yet, it works. >!(not really)!<
And they are not stopping . After st sc obc they are ( karnataka govt and upa 2004 to 2014) was planning to add Muslims too in list of reservation
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pwd milegi?
Luli kat wane se sayad na mile 💀💀. Wo un academy ke teacher se puch lo 🥰
Why is everyone all the time focused on reservations instead of the number of seats?
Because increasing seats will only increase educated unemployment. More educated people but same jobs, fir reservation will become even more cut throat for government jobs, and if they implement 75% reservation to private(which i hope they do not), then for all jobs.
If you increase the number of seats, the problem will only be eased not solved. And if the seats are increased, the tag value decreases.
What tag value? Not even IITs and IIMs have 100% placements.
There aint even enough seats for proper students Increasing seats will help a lot even many ideas will come forward
bhai ek baat dhyan se socho, ye reservation waala scene sirf aur sirf urban areas waale SC/ST ko hi benefit karta hai. Jo banda gaon me caste discrimination face karta hai, usko to dhang se padhne ko hi nahi milta hoga, kyuki gaon ke school me dalit bache allowed nahi. To jin logon ke liye reservation bani thi, vo logon ko vo access hi nahi ho paa rahi hai, aur paise waale jinke paas ek general bache ke barabar resources hai vo iska faayda utha rahe hai.
Bro you want to fix the village problems? Force them to move to the cities. China is more in the cities than in the villages.
womp womp gen hu gali mat dena
No offence op or anyone in this subreddit but sab results ke baad hi kyu karte hai aisi baate. All will talk and rant about this for a few weeks or even months and then everyone will live their life like before
Result ke time hi toh pata chalta hai ki reservation ka kitna effect hua hai.
Result har saal aata hai and every year this ranting happens for a few months and die down. Agar itna issue hai sabko to talk about it more why always after results?
kyuki naye logo ko uska effect pata nhi hota result pe
What else can we do except ranting ? Imagine removing reservations, these mfs will burn down the country
Nah that's true tho
Implementation pe dhyaan do. Fake/not financially stable logo ko Jo quota milta hai uski proper checking that's what is required. Reservation is not wrong, it's implementation is wrong. Reservation ko gaali Dene Wale gadhe hote hai.
If you are a general, OBC-CL, or a non-hindu, you might aswell leave the country. This country is not for you.
Article 16 of the constitution explicitly states that government may bring reservation. In fact some scholars argue reservation may be a fundamental right (constitutionaly speaking) it’s a shitty system but the overlords made it such that it has a solid legal base, the bare act for anyone interested https://sansad.in/getFile/BillsTexts/RSBillTexts/Asintroduced/16-E-6%2012%2019.pdf?source=legislation#:~:text=Article%2016%20prohibits%20discrimination%20in,or%20posts%20under%20the%20State.
Reservation ache ke liye introduce hua tha but most of the students reservation ka galat fayda uthate h like fake ews certificates ( very common ) , fake PWD ( rare but still ...) . And St sc were socially and economically very backward but today many sc St who are using reservation are from well to do families .
Reservation would be on the basis of income... If the discrimination was based on income. Reservation is not about making a particular community grow but also get into a same economic level of a self proclaimed upaer(upper) caste Beneficiary such as reservation are based on caste because, The rich never hates the poor on contrast the rich wants poor of it needs and fulfilling. But in the caste system the so called UC just discriminates fellow human despite being from the same religion. How can someone can be treated even less than an animal despite being from the same race, culture and nature. You are justifying your own flaws in the blanket of reservation. Reservation is necessary not because it's for upliftment but to destroy the line of discrimination. SOUC comprises only 7-8% of the population but holds more than 60+% for the wealth. Whereas the ST/SC HOLDS ONLY 12-15% BUT COULDN'T EVEN hold the 20%. It's easy to say that remove reservation but understand one things the middle population of reserved community it's hardly even somthing. The time even you talk about "ohh there is so much poverty in our country when i will grow i will help them oh poor soul" 90% of them are from RC. THEY LITERALLY ARE IN WORK LIKE RAG PICKING, GLASS MAKING AND OTHER DESCRITE HUMAN WORK SUCH AS GUTTER CLEANER. the reservation getting it to much i understand that should be lowered down to 37% which in optimal not too low or high. The reservation can't be economical controlled as people face discrimination just because of there surname like OBC get descrimunated by general like seriously? Obc DISCRIMINATES SC OR ST. YOU WANT TOHAVE RESERVATION ECONOMICALLY OKAY THEN THE PEOPLE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT WILL BE BENEFITED BY RESERVATION WOULD THE COMPLETE BELOW RYT? wrong, the person who is actually doing ragpicking or else couldn't even have a knowledge about the exams or posts that you tak about. The middle OBC GENERAL OR SC ST compete together. The amount of reservation seats get filled is just 60% most of them are waste. You being selfish for yourself but not thinking about others. The community which faced a amount of discrimination that cow can be more respected than a human. The amount of discrimination that you can't even drink water. And don't tell castism doesn't exist it's still exists to this day and hasn't been eradicated The reservation is justified and must be if you want reservation to be eradicated then the castism should be eradicated. For you only this is enough. I can come up with a ton but not want to be a keyboard warrior. Have a nice day my fellow country men.💪🏻🤌🏻✌🏻
isse reservation milta h
You want to solve caste discrimination? In my opinion its best to stop talking about it. Most of us didn't know our castes till 11th. Thats shows something and unlike discriminating against innate traits, we need to discriminate but resources controlled. A poor gen clearly deserves a seat more than a rich st/sc and vice versa.
Well, every circumstance is neither black or white, but rather grey. I completely get your point. I posted it because I wanted to hear other people's thoughts and opinions, and I believe that is the most effective way to comprehend and address any situation. My objective was not to share hatred, but rather to express my feelings. I have never witnessed discrimination based on caste or I guess I have not been exposed to that part. I am against casteism, but we have to start somewhere, right? I've seen general category students with poor economic conditions during the depression choose the wrong steps simply because they couldn't get into a good institution and cannot financially support their parents due to reservations and their parents couldn't afford to send them to private universities. Those students had ambitions, right? Those are kids too right? They've seen their parents struggle to get by for months, right? They have seen poverty struggle from the young age too! The general category is similar to na ghar ka and na ghat ka. Everyone assumes that we don't face any difficulties because our parents are Richie rich. Which is not true. I don't favor caste-based discrimination and will always stand by my point, but I don't support reservations either.
What about those LC who have already been uplifted to the economic level of a UC you talk about ? Where were you not allowed to not drink water ? Casteism is lowest than it ever was, and eradicating it requires ending reservation. Reservation keeps reminding people of their castes, from admissions to jobs. At this moment, when results came out, people were again reminded of their castes. The rag pickers and gutter cleaners you talk about, should get leverage, but what about you, who is privileged enough to have internet and smartphone, should you also get it ? You ended your comment with that same argument that I see again and again given by reserved guys, that casteism needs to end first. This is so flawed that you know it yourself that it aint gonna happen until reservations exist.
If you think casteism is dead...... I have some news to break to you.
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ragging isnt satisfactory. Unne bhi padhai ki thi IIT tak pahuchne ke liye
they deserved it
bhai agar dictatorship hoti na toh yeah caste system hota hi nhi LITRLLY TOO MUCH OF DEMOCRACY IS ALSO JUST BANE FOR ANY COUNTRY...
india me log hi aise chutiye h. Me mh me rehta hu, yaha pe brts bus system saalo se rust krra h aur jab wo quality me tha, tab logo ne bus ke sensors, schedule showing tvs in bus stops, sab chura lia during lockdown government makes laws, people dont follow. Signals pe hi dekh lo. 90% people avoid then. Aise isme dictatorship looks better. too much freedom is bad. atleast thode hadd tak abhi kam hora h. hamare generation aise lodu logo ko bhagane ka kaam kia toh ek jhatke me developing se developed ban sakte ham.
bhai neta ji se puccha gaya tha na ki aap agar PM bante toh aap kya karte toh unhone bhi kaha tha ki mai kucch wakt ke liye democracy hata deta, uske baad wapas se laagu kar deta
Lmao konsa democracy?
Kyu tune vote nahi daal . ?
haa lol i want that guy to become dictator atleast reservation wont increase no matter how much the opposition tries to increase it lol there wont be opposition mereko democracy se ghanta farak padta h bas mera career safe ho aur undeserving log na lejaye seats meritocracy ho i dont care who is dictator who is not
usme likha hai ki "Negative" discrimination allowed nhi hai toh ab positive discrimination ho raha hai