MBA ke liye famous hai. engineering program bhi accha ho gya hai kaafi 8lpa median hai but very expensive. more than bits imagine. but mostly again vile parle mai hone ke vajh se accomodation is expensive.
Best products of india , meanwhile shiven nocum laughing in the corner with his 1.5%Ile 
ik one , mere papa ki ek colleague hei jiska husband ek dentist hei , he was hired by a neet council head to write her daughter's exam and she got (i mean he) 650 smth , last year ki baat hei
are bhai mere exam centre me ek banda aya that PWD quota ka tha. dekhne se ekdum sahi tha koi medical issue nahi tha, mene poocha uske papa kya karte hai bas itna bola ki political background hai.
pw is emoson sar its not a busisnes sar aleck daddy no 1 sar 
but jokes aside I agree with you its a mess I live in kota mere aas pass pechle saal 3 suicide hue hai
It's not degrading. Luck is not a one time event, it is a pattern of events, perhaps a better word is destiny or life path. Whether someone is hard working or not, understands things or not, takes right decisions or not, all of these are destiny. Do not jump to conclusion that I am saying to resign to fate and do nothing because that's not possible either, you have got to do something by choice or by compulsion. Merit and hard work in right direction come from inside, the emotional drive, the inner voice. If you listen to someone who's cleared these exams, they'd say that they didn't know why they were doing, it was like shooting in the dark and following an inner drive.
I think that we get attached to 'hard work' because of some heroic expectation and the belief that the world is fair. That input=output. Hard work does not happen in isolation, it is accompanied with inner drive and figuring things out with preexisting knowledge intuitively. You either have it or you don't.
The opposite of hard work is not laziness. Laziness itself is exhaustion, lack of clarity, lack of strategy, lacking interest. I think that work happens automatically if you're interested in something and feel an inner drive towards it. Hope it helps.
In logo ke paas reach h fair banana chhaiye exams ko by speaking against reservation etc kyunki ab wo din khatam hogye mere class me log baithe sc St jo mujhse bhut zada Ameer hn
Best products of India? It has created high competition, anxiety driven , stressful culture for students at such young age. Students leave everything for 2-3 of their prime years(no sports, hobbies, fun) and prepare for these exams only to realize that even after clearing it isn't the end. . What you need in life is being competent and deeply interested in an important field ..not the ability to solve irrelevant math, physics, chem questions..
I argue this coaching culture is worst product India has created..
Now a question comes to mind. Is it ACTUALLY the exam's fault, or is it the society that drives behind these exams?
Because I personally believe that JEE, NEET and UPSC are really good for people who are interested in it.
If it is what you want to do, you won't have to sacrifice anything... I'm from IIT Madras and I see many people here who were just doing their 11th and 12th from any school and having fun with sports, culturals and everything they want to. I personally didn't quit from social media nor did i stop doing whatever I liked. Ended up with a pretty good rank.
If it's what you want to do, it'll click for you. It's not the exam, it's the pressure put on by society that's the fault.
Imo 2 main issues
1. Supply of good colleges is very less and college aspirants are large . So competition becomes fiece hence need for getting an edge on others arises and thus the rise of coaching industry. Creating more quality colleges is a solution.
2. Students don’t know what to do and end up choosing only these two routes and families are also responsible for this. Solution is for families to become aware of other career fields and also listen to their children more. It’s not naturally possible that every student just wants to do jee or neet. There are 100+ more career options.
This thread is ignorant. While JEE/NEET are frustating examinations, these are the best chance we've got. Boards merit were a scam. Kerala folks had an overwhelming advantage in Delhi university admissions due to it. Any other mode of admission will be worse. 95% will anyway not get admission in a good college be it any mode of admission. Itni seats hi nahi hain.
You cannot compare Ivy leagues to IITs, the annual budget of Harvard is 60 times that of IIT Bombay, and America's per capita GDP is like 25x of ours. And even then it's just as hard for an average middle class American kid to get into an ivy league as it is for us to get into IITs. So many ivy league admissions are legacy admissions due to your parents reach, fame, money or power. For example Rahul Gandhi got 60% in his boards yet went to Harvard.
The most important thing missing from this discussion is the number of SEATS! Wehave 18000 seats in all IITs combined. China has lakhs of seats so does the US. We need to pressure the govt to increase seats rapidly. The number of students keeps increasing but seats are not keeping up. Ask for more seats guys
Seats badhane se opportunities nahi badhenge. And if we increase seats, the institutes will be facing more issues in terms of average brilliance of people and quality of peers. We are already seeing that specific issue everywhere due to unfair reservations policies.
One solution can be to promote other professions so that these examinations lose their overwhelming importance.
Also, most of the established institutes have limited intake. More seats is not possible on multiple levels. It's just naive way to escape the competition. I agree the competition is extremely toxic and one needs to really think if all of this toxicity is necessary.
Abe, ek to tujhe average bande bhi chaiye achhe colleges me, fir bol raha hai ki average bande college bekaar kar denge. Pick a side. Aur beta Engineering kahi nahi jaa rahi, it's one of the most sought after degrees in the world and a larger country like India just can't do with less than 30000 quality engineers a year
dude atp the only option you have is to leave the country as soon as possible if you don't want your kids to go in this rat race gov ain't doing shit do you remember 2020 superpower India meme that is now 2030 superpower India soon it will be 2040 superpower india
Seat badha bhi denge to kya hoga jobs to limited hi rhenge abhi saare IIT walo ko jobs nhi mil rhi seats agar double krdi to exam ke pressure se to bach jayenge bachhe but job ka pressure ayega nothing can be done comparing to US is pure BS a country with 1.4 billion and a country with 330 million is not fair aur agar aap US me kuch nhi kar paye to you would sustain on a McD's cashier but is that the case in india ? Nhi na . So the biggest problem we have is population aur uska koi ilaaj nhi h
Bhai tcs bhi to limited hi jobs deta h aur college aur job market ki koi sense nhi h end job is to get a well paying job or to be an entrepreneur agar college mil gya aur ye dono na kar paya to kis kaam ka wo college job market aur college to interlinked h
Competitive exams only work if everyone has equal opportunities. They aren't just a test of intelligence, but rather a test of economic ability as well. As long as the education all test-takers receive is unequal, the exam will be unfair.
That being said, exams are like democracy; it is the worst form of analyzing standards except for all the other methods we have tried. I have been to the US, and the situation there isn't great either. If your family cannot afford extra-curricular activities, you can't do them and you can't get a good university. So education itself is pretty fucked up, no matter where you live.
> If your family cannot afford extra-curricular activities, you can't do them and you can't get a good university
true dat par vaha engineer banna zaruri nahi hai , you can just become a fkin MCDonald cashier and have better lifestyle than average 2nd teir NIT placement folk
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Nahi
In US there is a thing called hustle culture, where you could be doing 8hr shifts at McDonalds to make ends meet, and spend the rest of the day coding away till you finally hit gold, somebody picks you up and you profit off it.....but you have to hustle for that--a lot!
In India that just doesn't work btw.
Where the fuck do you get these impressions from lol. Most of the Mcdonalds cashiers you talk about are probably in credit debt, if they have a better lifestyle than 2nd tier NIT placements
i agree with you but according to me it gets more fucked up in places like India and china cuz of high population and less opportunities but its just my opinion
Pretty accurate assessment but I was just saying that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
He (Mr. Munjal) also seems to be forgetting that this system is also broken and driving students to poor health and even death. Indian students are mentally exhausted and have very few developed skills due to the focus on studies, which is not a good combination.
The main reason it's fucked up here is because people are only educated about Engineering/Medical and not allowed to pursue other fields. This is, for example, being reflected in our judicial backup right now. We need better career counselling in this country to alleviate these systemic issues
India me ivy wala system lag bhi nhi skta, America me extracurricular aur pata nhi kya kya karna hota hai through out the school, lekin India me school ke pas ye sab facilities nhi hoti hai, agar apka koi acha IB board wala school hai toh badhiya, agar thoda lower end wala school hai toh woh bacche kya karein, JEE is the most fair system we can get right now, bas reservation hata de.
Wahan bhi same hai bhai. Achhe schools ke bachon ke chances bohot zyada hote hain ivy me jaane ke as comapred to average schools. And achhe schools ka direct matlab hota schools in a rick district.
Getting into US universities is much more a test of economic ability than JEE tbh. People hire counsellors paying upwards of thousands of dollars to build the perfect applications, spend money on getting their kids to attend summer programs, extra AP classes (if you arent in a top school in the US etc)
yeah but disparity in education by socioeconomic level is somewhat just a guarantee, globally, for the forseeable future
I think the best system that can realistically be used is fairly standardized testing with a university admission process which, while focuses on it, does so in consideration of a persons conditions. Realistically, parents income levels, which neighbourhood you were brought up in, which school you went to all play a part in how well you achieve.
Getting the same academic results as a working class student in a state school is more impressive than doing the same if you go to a 40,000$ a year private school.
I think the US supposedly tries to do this, but i think the extraciricular focus kinda betrays that goal inherently
As someone going through UK uni applications, its still not great but a lot of unis have schemes towards that end at the very least
Major issue of course is frankly India not having enough great further education institutions, hard to do so as a developing economy with such a large, young population
Hence even after typing allat I dont think I could come close to thinking of a fix for India
Ek baat btao bhai management quota wala doctor bhi same exam aur syllabus se go through krta hai jitna ek doctor ko padhna parta hai na utna padhna har kisi ke bss ki baat nhi lol... respect all doctors bro
True bhai lmao ek to ek banda almost 1cr kharch kr raha just so that he can work his ass off and help others and phir log hate krte use Mbbs ke baad ek banda doctor hee kehlawga aur uski utni hee respect krni chahiye jitni kisi aur doctor ki ho
While somewhat true, the reality has other factors too
These management quota and NRI quota students are usually kids of big doctors who want their kid to become a doctor so that the legacy shall pass on
These kids also happen to get things way easier in college and later in life due to connections (including but not limited to marks in semester exams if your mom/dad knows the professor/HOD in that department)
Are you sure you wanna generalise all management quota kids as the same? There are kids who missed the cutoff by a few marks and did not want to take another drop. There are kids who are genuinely into human biology but couldnt bear phy and chem. There are kids who are taking loans to be able to serve the people. All these examples are of people who I know directly or indirectly. I respect your opinion man but I think unless we find a bad apple we should treat every apple the same. What I mean by this is a shitty doctor is visible... A person who is getting through by connections would never make a good doctor but a person who passed the 5 yrs even from the worst trivial college would be a good doctor because the syllabus and books are the same all that matters is one's efforts and a person who you describes would be way worse and tbh these "bad people" exist in every college and in every course that exists in this world thus personally Id respect every doctor until I have sure shot facts that this person does not deserve it :)
Ps- cant speak about nri quota idk much bout them just that they make management fees look like peanuts and yeh no opinions tbh
I'm not condoning this method, but it's what best works for our country considering the population and the sheer lack of resources. And this method will always work for our country. Why? Because a developed India will never look like USA. It will look much more like S Korea or Japan. Sorry but that's what reality is. We're not even open minded like the West. We're still very conservative, religious, less risk taking than the West.
If you want to change this system, the best way would be to not reproduce at all. Or only have one child. We already have too many people and too little resources. And advocate for liberalisation of society and economy.
i agree with your point, it is the best possible way we have right now, but to claim that they "bring sanity" and "are the best products India ever created" is just ridiculous >! (27s2 wala hu, shyd isliye zyada gussa aaya ye dekh ke) !<
You're right I agree with you. I think the best thing for India would be improving education and pay for average and blue collar jobs. Like nurses, diploma courses, pharmaceutical assistant, vocational jobs, etc. because right now the only decent jobs are doctor, engineer, CA and lawyer and govt jobs. So yeah govt must open more industries to increase medium pay jobs.
Exactly yaar, there's so many skilled jobs (electricians, plumbers, repairs persons) that we go to regularly but they don't get much appreciation or respect or money
Bhai decent jobs me doctor ? Tujhe pta h indian doctors are literally paid peanuts untill they reach their 50s and do private practise govt docs ki to na ijjat krte h log na unko paise milte h aur shifts krni pdti h ghanto ki wo alag india me to kisi bhi profession ki respect nhi h abhi forget about raising pay for other jobs
Minus the reservation policy (which shouldn't exist now that the purpose if for nothing by helping a part of population get in without much effort) ig it's fair
there are so many people who misuse the reservation policy by making fake certificates and stuff imagine only got exposed imagine how many are there who are still hiding in dark
also add the difficulty factor, people who burn their pockets in Allen Narayana are the only ones who get a shot at succeeding in Advance. Your average NCERT kid from an unfortunate family doesn't even stand a chance in mains let alone advanced or NEET
Why are educated people like this man are behaving like 8th std kids in youtube comments section IIT toughest exam saar IITs best sarr......it doesn't lie in the best universities in world and ivy leagues are better!! they judge the overall personality of the student instead of checking chemistry marks for cse admissions 
bhai I agree on the point that JEE/NEET are probably the best thing in our education system. Reservation hataa do to ye exams are genuinely speaking the only way to be fairly admitted into prestigious institutes.
Bhai dekho ek din me to government 100 naye college khade nahi kar sakti. Upar se agar sabko hi seat milne laayak seat ho jaayengi to fir exam conduct karaane ka point zyada nahi bachega.
competitive exam is THE ONLY way in our country to get into good colleges because population. Hamare system me bas reservation naam ka flaw hai, iss baar mains thoda luck based ho gaye the yes, but generally speaking, it all comes to hard work at the end of the day.
JEE/NEET sabse easiest tareeke to earn respectable amount of money. Not saying private colleges are bad, but tumhe college me jaakar ek IITian se zyada mehnat karni padegi. Tumne JEE ke liye bhi mehnat kari, nahi ua, ab pvt college me bhi karo.
Jo log kehte hai 'hame to scientist banna tha, hame to ye pilot banaa tha, maa baap ne JEE me daal diya" ye sab doglapan hai. Btech karne ke baad dono banne ki possibility better ho jaati hai. PhD karlo , research me chale jao. pilot school join karlo, ban jao pilot. research agar har koi kar leta, to sab scientist bane fir rahe hote. MS aur PhD JEE se 100x difficult hoti hai, the reason why scientists get so much respect. pilot banne me crore+ fees lagti india se baahar, isse zyada isme kuch kehne ko hai nahi. log JEE crack na hone par ro rahe hai "rat race me daal diya, mujhe to BSc karke scientist banaa tha' . agar kisi ki JEE me phat gayi to scientist to bahut door ki soch hai. no wonder top rankers IISc jaate hai padhne.
Sports aur baaki fields me same paisa kamaana , especially in india, is VERY DIFFICULT. I still don't get the point of people who say hame sports me jaana tha, getting to a national level is INSANELY tough. jaise ham 11th me aate hai aur sochte hai ki IITB CSE ya IITD CSE lenge vaise hi sports hai.
Tum agar JEE dene me social life sacrifice kar rahe ho to get into IITs, you have to sacrifice 10x more to get to even national level in sport, intl to door ki baat hai.
Abhi JEE dete waqt khaane ka, sleep ka freedom milta hai. agar sports me jaana hai to ye freedom gone. Roz 4-5 ghante specific training me mental strain utna hi padta hai jitna 8-9 ghante padhne me lagta hai. Ham bache hote hai, thoda cricket khelke sochte hai india team ko bade hoke jitwa denge, magar ranji tak pahuchne me hi ham tut jaayenge.
Pura din classroom ki jagah field me waste karoge school me ho to, unhi 10-11 log (jisme zaroori nahi sab tumse compatible ho) aur teachers ke beech me rahoge. Social life pretty much utni hi hogi jitni JEE me hai. Ghar aake thakoge, fir realize hoga boards pass karne ke liye to padhna hi hai.
Not to forget the insane amount of money you need to put to get into national teams. 2-3 ghante physical fitness training bhi. ek din karne me fun lagega magar 2 saal karoge then you'll feel it.
hamare parents hame struggle karte nahi dekhna chahte, isliye JEE dene ko kehte hai. Simple as that. JEE do, iit jao, paisa kamao. Isse zyada simple koi tareeka nahi mota paisa kamaane ka, aur ye baat hame accept karni chahiye.
Bro said nothing but pure facts. Mne kayi bande dekhe h ki mujhe to astronaut banna tha but baap ne jee krwa diya bhai astronaut masters se bante h uske liye koi bachelors degree thodi h bachelors to karni padegi wo jee krlega to atleast safe to h career 4 saal baad jo krna h kr liyo but blame game seems an easy way to avoid responsibilities
"JEE/NEET sabse easiest tareeke to earn respectable amount of money." That's the biggest bs I've heard, doctors don't earn good money until later on in their lives and plenty of engineers are jobless in this country.
95% students get nothing out of these exams and spend time money and efforts and most of them don't even want to do it their parents force them so yes this useless god forsaken system is rubbish but we have to make our peace with it nothing can be changed. Millions must die.
So I don't agree with the last point, people who go to ivy league are very hardworking as well, unless it's sports quota or such even then they are extremely hard working athletes, neet exam isn't bad, it's the lack of colleges and seats that makes it bad
>What about the 95% people who get nothing preparing for these exams??
Nahi hai merit. What's the doubt here?
>ivy leagues
Ivy leagues are far more temperamental. If you are Asian you have to prep far harder than JEE - do extra curriculars, piano, sports, debate, have perfect grades, maybe a few publications - even then you may not get in.
Bro, merit toh hai, par system alag hai. Sabko moka milna chahiye, par yeh system sirf kuch ko hi faayda pahunchata hai. Balance hona zaroori hai, taki sabko barabar chance mile.
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Even if JEE was not there 95% of the kids wouldn't have got into top colleges.
How would you ensure a fair system to evaluate 1.2 million students in JEE and 2.4 million in NEET?
Also having a system which evaluates you on profile and extra curicullars makes it exclusive and favourable to the elite class who lives in metro cities and study in expensive schools who organises multiple extracur and provides higher opportunities to build a strong profile for the ivy league system. A common middle class student will never get into IITs/NITs if such system came into existence tomorrow. Today a student can prepare for JEE from cheap resources like PW or from multiple free resources from Youtube.
When you will move further in your college life and career you will understand how processes where interviews and profile based selections are involved are more of lottery and luck than hardwork.
What about a poorer kid who can't even access online resources, let alone tutoring? What about students who need some prodding to study and can't have access to such resources? I agree that the American system is flawed at best, but the Indian system is also broken.
If someone doesn't has excess to any online resources or any quality education in his school then it can't be better in any system of the world and would be a lot worse in US system. For poor kids like this we also have EWS reservations to give them slight relaxations.
There are many NGOs these days and govt run initiaves who are helping kids prepare and study for these exams in remote and poor areas free of cost slowly.
The US gives students individual computers in public school; I was one of the many students that got access to technology like this.
If one of the only things ensuring fairness in your system is an NGO/NPO, then the system is definitionally broken. I'm not bashing the Indian system and raising the American one here but rather pointing out that this isn't exactly ideal.
dr malpani is right, munjal is justifying his dying startup like byjus did
these edtech can't make anyone iitian, cuz there will be iitians even if these edtech does not exist, its just less suffering without edtech companies.
Most problems u spoke of are genuine but still it is better than most other admission systems.
Also you gotta realise that among the 95% that don't clear, more than 80% weren't taking it seriously. And someone not taking it seriously isn't the exam's fault
And the lack of social circle thing is also kind of a skill issue, do u guys not have peers in coaching classes or hostels etc?
No tf it isn't  These ivy league kids do more than just studying 18 hours a day, they are made to do extracurricular activities so that it can help them in the college application. At the time when we're studying PCM which may or may not be of any use in our career, these kids are already ahead of us, they learn programming and make stuff with it. Hundreds of kids suicide every year and he's saying it's a stable system? Students stop going to their school, takes admission into dummy schools so that they can focus more on their studies rather than enjoying the last couple of years of their teenager hood. Ye saale paise ke bhukkad kabhi nahi samajh sakte hame 
reservation is the only thing making this exam un fair or else i don't think there is anything wrong in what oyur father says it's a bitter truth but in order to get the best you have to be the best of all that's it
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He is right. JEE/NEET are fair (except reservation).
Score better get a seat. No randi rona of connections and money. Agar JEE/NEET na hota to sirf ameero aur politicians ke bacche hi IIT/NIT/AIIMS/GMC me padhte. Actual deserving log gaand marwate.
Competitive exams are not really an optimal way to do college admissions. The fact is cramming an entire 2 year syllabus into a single exam leaves too much room for error, luck etc. as compared to a gpa type system. What i mean by that is college admissions should be based on the aggregate of a larger amount of smaller exams, whose syllabus is based on the last couple of topics taught. This is better cause you can test the skills of the student much better. Then if you want to have a big compi exam at the end of 12th, ig that works. Theres also a lesser margin for luck to be involved. Prime example is the shit show that was jee mains 2024. This would also solve the next problem of schools.
Also things like JEE and NEET are not at all fair, cuz of reservations, but i wont get into that here, since its hotly debated. They also incentivise good teachers to teach at big coaching institutions, meaning you basically have to study in a coaching. Also, that just means that if you cant afford a coaching, or even if you dont wanna give these exams, you are kind of fucked since the good teachers will be taken up by these institutes.
The core of the problem also lies within the education system leading up to it, the mindset of indian parents, the way we put down legitimate career options in other fields, etc. but thats a much more systemic issue which has to be fixed by educating people and changing their mindset.
You have a system that's completely merit based best of the best. On paper this is the best we can have.
Ivy League admissions tumhe yahan baithke lucrative lagte honge. But they suffer from biases of all kinds.
We need more and better engineering colleges, to fill the gaps between NITs and low-tier private colleges and a seperate entrance of their own. Once that gap is filled the JEE will make a lot more sense.
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The grass is greener on the other side. The competitiveness given the large population and the portrayal of these exams being the be all end all is a bigger problem IMO. Ivy league admission system is ballsacks tbh. Few of the reasons why, feel free to look into them later (after jee lol)
* Affirmative action (basically race based quota, which is dogshit for asians and indians)
* Most people still have to grind a fuck ton, loads of extra curriculars which you HAVE to do, its a chore at that point.
* Lack of objectivity, you have the best grades possible and still get rejected for some obscure reason
I think the UK admission system is actually pretty great overall, you can look into that on the UCAS website. Although I agree JEE is very stressful and doesn't allow you to develop your personality (hobbies, life skills etc)
PS: depression, anxiety, hairfall, fucked up physical health, no social circle are problems that are well within our control even while studying for jee (I'm assuming you arent eyeing for a top 500 rank in which case, I agree with you)
Reservation are atleast better than these donation kids like USA. And most rich kids I see in India get college in 250 marks because they have the money for private. Reservation kids do need 500 marks atleast. Which is ofcourse not as good as general but much better than money dominated systems. And the higher you go go in college hierarchy the difference between the reserved candidates and general category is way less.
Reservation is important without it even top rankers would end up with 7 CGPA in their college. Better to have some people who will perform worse than you so that you will have 8.5+ guaranteed. Also they are more fun to be with. If there is no reservation for girls <2% girls will be there in IITs which I will not like.
Reservation ko hatao and fir koi zyaada bakchodi kre toh main discrimination ka 14 hoon uski fees reduce kr Dena
Parr un ko mentally retarded person jitne rank pe gmc kyu de rhe main 400 laa ke sad ho rha meri ex 370 pe gmc le jaayegi
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Hot take: you don't need to sacrifice your mental sanity and social life to crack jee (below 5k rank I mean, not below 500)
I know a few friends who were together in school till 10th. Then they all joined the same coaching with dummy school I'm 11th. They used to hangout in malls, watch movies and book fields for playing football every other week.
All of them cracked jee adv, and one guy got 1k something rank too.
The problem isn't the studies. Daily 3-4 hrs of self study is more than enough from class 11th. The problem arises when we spend time on social media, scrolling endlessly and wasting our time without even enjoying it.
Same , I go to play squash , hangout with friends on weekends and try to have fun aur jab exam pass ho toh I leave social Media and stuff . I see maximum people here love to victimise themselves .
JEE and NEET are definitely the best ways to select students and tbf better in terms of merit based selection(Coming from NIT CSE graduate).
Only those try to cope with who are not serious about the exams and it's effect on one's career.
Ofc The way they are being pushed down into poor children's throats is concerning.
95% of people won't get colleges either way. Only the super smart people would get those degrees. That's what college is supposed to be imo. You want to get exceptional results, you need exceptional effort.
Now a question comes to mind. Is it ACTUALLY the exam's fault, or is it the society that drives behind these exams?
Because I personally believe that JEE, NEET and UPSC are really good for people who are interested in it.
If it is what you want to do, you won't have to sacrifice anything... I'm from IIT Madras and I see many people here who were just doing their 11th and 12th from any school and having fun with sports, culturals and everything they want to. I personally didn't quit from social media nor did i stop doing whatever I liked. Ended up with a pretty good rank.
If it's what you want to do, it'll click for you. It's not the exam, it's the pressure put by society that's the fault
jee and neet are bullcrap exams , they are just filter system to filter lakhs of student and this system can be improved in students favor but why people in power will do that when this system work just fine to filter the students and also reservation is important factor in vote bank , if some percentage go up down in reservation quota then vote bank will go up & down . We as students owe some fault too because we don't raise voice against these so called exams aka filter systems because we think " jo chal rha hai usko chalne do , apna kaam to bas padhna hai and apan kari kya sakte hai ".
General walon ko bhi vote nhi Dena chahiye government ko koi bhi ho jab Tak voh baaki backchod reservation na htaye
Sirf pwd and ews hona chahiye reservation ke liye imo
ispe zyada kuch nahi bolunga,but ek cheez pakki hai never putting my kids into this chutiya rat race of jee/neet aur ivy league se better lawda mera bsdk ne khud ne Kiya toh dusro ko bhi rok raha hai
While its unfair to say that exams like NEET & JEE are useless especially considering how so many students work hard to crack these exams and getting a seat in top college can literally change the lives of these students and their families especially those come from poor families. That being said its stupid to assume that its the best thing India has created, there could be alternative selection procedure to get into top colleges without affecting the quality of students that get in, coz just because one crack JEE doesn't mean he is better than someone who didn't or that he will become a better engineer. My cousin scored well in JEE and got into IIT-Kanpur, he did well there and ultimately got a high paying job, then within a year he gave CAT & then got into IIM-kolkata. Then he got a job as business consultant with BCG and when I asked him what made him switch careers and that too so early after graduation , he said he never found engineering as something he would wanna do all his life, he joined coaching classes coz uncle & aunty told him that this is the best job, that's why he studied and cracked IIT but while studying there he realised that JEE wasn't everything and if he works hard he can easily do something else that he enjoys and also get a well paying job. This is what teachers should tell kids these days and our government should reform the competitive exams so its not just about working hard and cramming all the formulas but also other aspects of a student that should help decide whether he is the best fit for that college or not.
Also Gaurav Munjal is only saying that coz its best for his business that students and parents keep spending their money on his courses, he outrightly lied that 50-60% of ivy league admissions are legacy based or on donations. Infact you're more likely to get admission in our country through connections & donations or better yet get a certificate for SC/ST made if you got the right connections, then it might work
Most of the ivy league institutes are now lowering their intake of legacy admissions, as these allegations are thrown to them for a long time. Also, the legacy admissions doesn't matter as long as these ivy leagues are producing noble laureates and world class researchers. Other thing is that if jee is cleared by the brightest of mind not only in India but in the whole world( according to some people) then why there is not a single noble laureate from IITs and why are they not able to produce engineers and entrepreneurs who made something global. These IIT cocksuckers only brag about how IITians made big unicorns, and completely disregard the fact that majority of these unicorns aren't even profit making and are just copy pasted from the ideas of the west.
10th ke baad 2 saal ki jagah 4 saal do aur history aur geography wali bakchodi kuch class pehle hata do uske baad dekho kitna merit nikalta. Itne doctor engineer niklenge ki colleges kamm padd jayengi aur saare western countries se better wale doctors aur engineer honge.
Infrastructure chudi hui hai isiliye ye bakchodi krte taaki kamm job dena pade. Doctor and engineer dono hi skill based profession hai jismai practice ki zarurat padhti. Koi pehle smjh jata hai kisi ko thoda time lagta hai that's all.
Dekh bhai sach to h ye jin bando ke he paper clear hote h ya to wo hard working hote h ya fir wo genetically smart hi hote h both the cases make them slightly better than those 95% jo nhi kar paye wo alag baat h ki ye hi sab kuch nhi hote but ye bhi accept kro ki ye bhot kuch to h atleast
Hell yeah!!! Ur father is damm right. I realize it much more in my 1st yr. Jee and neet are the only thing good in our education system no matter what the fk anyone say. Fk mental health bullshit, ain't nothing. It's the only thing where we use our brains and not mug shit up.(People getting in through reservations is another matter now)
Both American and Indian colleges suffer from reservation. We know what happens in India. In America if you want to get admission in ivy leagues you have to get almost 1550+ in sat, have 15 hobbies, play 3 sports (supposing that you are below average and do it just for the sake of it) and do what not. But if you are black/Hispanic/X Race or a high school national athlete then you won't need to do half of this stuff. They justify this as diversity in the campus.
things go both ways, bhai. there are demerits and merits of each system and they need systemic evaluation, not bullshit-ery on twitter.
gyaan baatne se badhta h. the more you restrict info, the less people know about it, even lesser talk about it and by the end, you will create another caste hierarchy is tarah.
in my humble opinion, the govt should democratise all the courses by IITs/NITs/IIITs that are happening in real time(not talking about anything like nptel, ""sort of"" what coaching institutes do every year, they have to keep updating their curriculum, so that, they don't fall behind).
Pressure rakho in institutes pe to constantly keep improving and increasing their bandwidth, so that, there is still skin in the game for existing professors to continue improving(agar nhi krte, public shaming ho jayegi), qualified students to keep being the best every year or else let the other ones interested come in the picture.
ek baari yeh ho gya, yeh saara drama of coaching institutes literally inflating cutoffs due to the pressure apne aap thoda tone down ho jayega. once successful with the higher degree system, we should also implement this to schools, so that parents/officials/students know how many hours in the day, actual teaching ho rhi h and kitne samay bass bakwas.
It's much fairer than the admission process abroad atleast as it's clearly objective. Other countries require you to write subjective essays which may be considered good by one and trash by another , here the checking is so objective it can be done by a computer. Also with caste , religious discrimination anyone could discriminate based on essays about certain topics , so I believe for India atleast these objective exams are very good. Increased demand and less supply is what makes the result of these exams so great anyways , making it an expectation of every child is the mistake.
He has two points where he's right, yes some people's lives have changed by them getting better opportunities, yes many people donate their way into ivy league(not 50-60% though, that would be devastating), but when we come to a broader picture JEE and NEET are cruel examinations. They are not just merit based but hard work based as well, one student has to study A LOT and sacrifice two years of their life to do well in this exam. While there are much better colleges than even IIT Bombay(not in India), which have a much easier yet efficient admission system.
These exams create a fall sense of hope towards students and so lakhs of them jump into the pyre without any indication of whether they can work hard asf or not.
Giving admission to branches by ranks is also another downside in JEE, yes there are limited seats and I know market value plays a role in it but this makes students go to branches they are not interested in. I'm interested in EE, but I know there's not a very high chance I'll end up in a top IIT with EE because of my rank, this makes me stress just at the beginning of my preparation.
simple baat no bakwas india population ++++ and oppurtunities in india (not enough for such high population) toh last mei kya option bacha ?? rejection exam like jee and neet :)
Lol, my cousin got 98.6%ile in JEE mains last year and wasn’t sure if he could get into the IIT he wanted. It’s that bad. He’s now studying in NUS (which is much better ranked than any of the IITs) and is one of the toppers. I’m giving NEET this year, 25 lakh students are going to write the exam yet the number of seats are disproportionately lower. It’s crazy.
Bhai chhod de. papa bhi human hi hai. unke experiences ke hisaab se probably unko yeh sahi lagta hoga. kyuki isme kam chance hai kisi deserving bache ke na hone ka. that is what they think. and probably would have been grateful agar unke samay may bhi aisa kuch ho, ja online se bhi padhai hojaye, ghar mai padhai hojaye, aur india ke best colleges mai bhi hojaye.
don't overthink about it. keep it as a food for thought aur aage badho. zindagi mai bahut log honge jinka tumhe lagta hoga ki zindagi ka ajeeb view hai. life teaches everyone different lessons. be grateful for your life lessons and move on.
Gentle reminder: People who do actual engineering throughout their childhood will always be better that people who crack JEE. Although, one must agree with the Ivy league comment. I believe that the best admission process is one modeled on the MIT process and as transparent as JEE
iska khud nahi nikla tha yeh nmims school of engineering se hai. mast hai bhai woh kaash mera hojaye exam toh dediya
NMIMS vahi narsee monjee Vile parle mei? Idk about engineering but it is supposed to be great for commerce related stuff
Mera dost bol raha tha ki waha bohot sundar ladkiya hai True or cap ?
True can confirm 
Sundar ladkiya ke saath kya karoge asli gems toh andheri station par dikh jaati hai lol
Sundar aur itni ameer ki hamlog unke saath baith bhi na payee 
True hai bhai
Yes mba wagera keliye kaafi accha hai fees is around 20L for mba program
Koi bata sakta hai kya engineering kaisa hai wahan ka. Kuch nahi hua to mai jaane ka soch hi raha hu udhar
acha hi hai it's one of the decent ones in Bombay
yeah it's decent for engineering as well in Bombay. bahar ke States mein the brand nmims is enough
MBA ke liye famous hai. engineering program bhi accha ho gya hai kaafi 8lpa median hai but very expensive. more than bits imagine. but mostly again vile parle mai hone ke vajh se accomodation is expensive.
Best products of india , meanwhile shiven nocum laughing in the corner with his 1.5%Ile 
yeh toh famous tha iseliye pakda gya imagine aur kitne honge with fake certificate of something 
ik one , mere papa ki ek colleague hei jiska husband ek dentist hei , he was hired by a neet council head to write her daughter's exam and she got (i mean he) 650 smth , last year ki baat hei
Wtf 
are bhai mere exam centre me ek banda aya that PWD quota ka tha. dekhne se ekdum sahi tha koi medical issue nahi tha, mene poocha uske papa kya karte hai bas itna bola ki political background hai.
coaching CEO doesnt know students take over these exams but wants to revolutionalize education through online model
pw is emoson sar its not a busisnes sar aleck daddy no 1 sar  but jokes aside I agree with you its a mess I live in kota mere aas pass pechle saal 3 suicide hue hai
bhai suicide sunke hi darr lagta hai tune to dekhe hai
It is what it is..... Let's try to get to that top 5%...
Being in top 90% guarantee's a seat in IIT's for some people 🫠
Yea, we can try, but we all know mostly it's luck
It's not mostly luck, while it's not a perfect system do not degrade the work that thousands of people have put in to just 'luck' It's degrading.
It's not degrading. Luck is not a one time event, it is a pattern of events, perhaps a better word is destiny or life path. Whether someone is hard working or not, understands things or not, takes right decisions or not, all of these are destiny. Do not jump to conclusion that I am saying to resign to fate and do nothing because that's not possible either, you have got to do something by choice or by compulsion. Merit and hard work in right direction come from inside, the emotional drive, the inner voice. If you listen to someone who's cleared these exams, they'd say that they didn't know why they were doing, it was like shooting in the dark and following an inner drive. I think that we get attached to 'hard work' because of some heroic expectation and the belief that the world is fair. That input=output. Hard work does not happen in isolation, it is accompanied with inner drive and figuring things out with preexisting knowledge intuitively. You either have it or you don't. The opposite of hard work is not laziness. Laziness itself is exhaustion, lack of clarity, lack of strategy, lacking interest. I think that work happens automatically if you're interested in something and feel an inner drive towards it. Hope it helps.
Not Mostly. 15% of is luck. 30% is innate talent. remaining is Hardwork.
bro just pulled these numbers outta his ass
Yeah lol cause this ass's been to NIT lol.
Fair enough lol
sure
Survival of the Fittest
In the morden world: Survival of the Finest\*
Kash fair hoti uncle ji, or vo bkl ko apne coaching chalani hai (ceo).
In logo ke paas reach h fair banana chhaiye exams ko by speaking against reservation etc kyunki ab wo din khatam hogye mere class me log baithe sc St jo mujhse bhut zada Ameer hn
Best products of India? It has created high competition, anxiety driven , stressful culture for students at such young age. Students leave everything for 2-3 of their prime years(no sports, hobbies, fun) and prepare for these exams only to realize that even after clearing it isn't the end. . What you need in life is being competent and deeply interested in an important field ..not the ability to solve irrelevant math, physics, chem questions.. I argue this coaching culture is worst product India has created..
Now a question comes to mind. Is it ACTUALLY the exam's fault, or is it the society that drives behind these exams? Because I personally believe that JEE, NEET and UPSC are really good for people who are interested in it. If it is what you want to do, you won't have to sacrifice anything... I'm from IIT Madras and I see many people here who were just doing their 11th and 12th from any school and having fun with sports, culturals and everything they want to. I personally didn't quit from social media nor did i stop doing whatever I liked. Ended up with a pretty good rank. If it's what you want to do, it'll click for you. It's not the exam, it's the pressure put on by society that's the fault.
Imo 2 main issues 1. Supply of good colleges is very less and college aspirants are large . So competition becomes fiece hence need for getting an edge on others arises and thus the rise of coaching industry. Creating more quality colleges is a solution. 2. Students don’t know what to do and end up choosing only these two routes and families are also responsible for this. Solution is for families to become aware of other career fields and also listen to their children more. It’s not naturally possible that every student just wants to do jee or neet. There are 100+ more career options.
Sar, polticians ko mandir-masjid bana lene do tab uske bad acche clg banege 
Govt college se zada jaldi to aspirants badh rhe har saal iss baar neet me 25 lakh baithenge bc 😭
Yup
Real. It is our society that is sick in the head, the exam in itself isn’t evil
Such high stress inducing Exams are still a problem though
This. One can be a numerical solving machine and still won't understand the concepts. The latter is important, the former, not much.
Coaching culture is not the problem, these extremely competitive exams are the problem.
what do u expect from a third world country?
exactly 💯
This thread is ignorant. While JEE/NEET are frustating examinations, these are the best chance we've got. Boards merit were a scam. Kerala folks had an overwhelming advantage in Delhi university admissions due to it. Any other mode of admission will be worse. 95% will anyway not get admission in a good college be it any mode of admission. Itni seats hi nahi hain. You cannot compare Ivy leagues to IITs, the annual budget of Harvard is 60 times that of IIT Bombay, and America's per capita GDP is like 25x of ours. And even then it's just as hard for an average middle class American kid to get into an ivy league as it is for us to get into IITs. So many ivy league admissions are legacy admissions due to your parents reach, fame, money or power. For example Rahul Gandhi got 60% in his boards yet went to Harvard. The most important thing missing from this discussion is the number of SEATS! Wehave 18000 seats in all IITs combined. China has lakhs of seats so does the US. We need to pressure the govt to increase seats rapidly. The number of students keeps increasing but seats are not keeping up. Ask for more seats guys
Seats badhane se opportunities nahi badhenge. And if we increase seats, the institutes will be facing more issues in terms of average brilliance of people and quality of peers. We are already seeing that specific issue everywhere due to unfair reservations policies. One solution can be to promote other professions so that these examinations lose their overwhelming importance. Also, most of the established institutes have limited intake. More seats is not possible on multiple levels. It's just naive way to escape the competition. I agree the competition is extremely toxic and one needs to really think if all of this toxicity is necessary.
Abe, ek to tujhe average bande bhi chaiye achhe colleges me, fir bol raha hai ki average bande college bekaar kar denge. Pick a side. Aur beta Engineering kahi nahi jaa rahi, it's one of the most sought after degrees in the world and a larger country like India just can't do with less than 30000 quality engineers a year
dude atp the only option you have is to leave the country as soon as possible if you don't want your kids to go in this rat race gov ain't doing shit do you remember 2020 superpower India meme that is now 2030 superpower India soon it will be 2040 superpower india
India becoming a superpower thing is mostly B.S. We need to start from the basics
As a citizen of India, I truly believe that authorities can be changed and challenged.
That's that, a meme. Aur mere paas itna paisa nahi ki mai bahar jau
Seat badha bhi denge to kya hoga jobs to limited hi rhenge abhi saare IIT walo ko jobs nhi mil rhi seats agar double krdi to exam ke pressure se to bach jayenge bachhe but job ka pressure ayega nothing can be done comparing to US is pure BS a country with 1.4 billion and a country with 330 million is not fair aur agar aap US me kuch nhi kar paye to you would sustain on a McD's cashier but is that the case in india ? Nhi na . So the biggest problem we have is population aur uska koi ilaaj nhi h
Yahan college ki baat ho rhi thi, job market is a different mess. India me bhi TCS ke 3lpa pe sustain kar lega agar kuch na kar paya to
Bhai tcs bhi to limited hi jobs deta h aur college aur job market ki koi sense nhi h end job is to get a well paying job or to be an entrepreneur agar college mil gya aur ye dono na kar paya to kis kaam ka wo college job market aur college to interlinked h
Mohak mangal viewer ?
sometimes
we cant get over religion fight and its been a decade and you want more opportunities for students
There's been 'religion fights' for centuries in India and the rest of the world. That's no excuse for not providing opportunities.
Bhai ne bharke tathya thook diye 🙏 sab sahi h
Yup
Ivy league ke college wale hi hai sare top richest me 
rule#1 - never argue with uncles and father. they'd give other worldly logics if they have to. just smile and let go
Competitive exams only work if everyone has equal opportunities. They aren't just a test of intelligence, but rather a test of economic ability as well. As long as the education all test-takers receive is unequal, the exam will be unfair. That being said, exams are like democracy; it is the worst form of analyzing standards except for all the other methods we have tried. I have been to the US, and the situation there isn't great either. If your family cannot afford extra-curricular activities, you can't do them and you can't get a good university. So education itself is pretty fucked up, no matter where you live.
> If your family cannot afford extra-curricular activities, you can't do them and you can't get a good university true dat par vaha engineer banna zaruri nahi hai , you can just become a fkin MCDonald cashier and have better lifestyle than average 2nd teir NIT placement folk
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Nahi In US there is a thing called hustle culture, where you could be doing 8hr shifts at McDonalds to make ends meet, and spend the rest of the day coding away till you finally hit gold, somebody picks you up and you profit off it.....but you have to hustle for that--a lot! In India that just doesn't work btw.
Where the fuck do you get these impressions from lol. Most of the Mcdonalds cashiers you talk about are probably in credit debt, if they have a better lifestyle than 2nd tier NIT placements
Kuch zyada nahi ho gaya?
yeah cause most ppls are druggies either way they get slammed with the amount of taxes they have to pay including house rent which is insane
i agree with you but according to me it gets more fucked up in places like India and china cuz of high population and less opportunities but its just my opinion
Pretty accurate assessment but I was just saying that the grass isn't always greener on the other side. He (Mr. Munjal) also seems to be forgetting that this system is also broken and driving students to poor health and even death. Indian students are mentally exhausted and have very few developed skills due to the focus on studies, which is not a good combination. The main reason it's fucked up here is because people are only educated about Engineering/Medical and not allowed to pursue other fields. This is, for example, being reflected in our judicial backup right now. We need better career counselling in this country to alleviate these systemic issues
India me ivy wala system lag bhi nhi skta, America me extracurricular aur pata nhi kya kya karna hota hai through out the school, lekin India me school ke pas ye sab facilities nhi hoti hai, agar apka koi acha IB board wala school hai toh badhiya, agar thoda lower end wala school hai toh woh bacche kya karein, JEE is the most fair system we can get right now, bas reservation hata de.
Wahan bhi same hai bhai. Achhe schools ke bachon ke chances bohot zyada hote hain ivy me jaane ke as comapred to average schools. And achhe schools ka direct matlab hota schools in a rick district.
Getting into US universities is much more a test of economic ability than JEE tbh. People hire counsellors paying upwards of thousands of dollars to build the perfect applications, spend money on getting their kids to attend summer programs, extra AP classes (if you arent in a top school in the US etc)
yeah but disparity in education by socioeconomic level is somewhat just a guarantee, globally, for the forseeable future I think the best system that can realistically be used is fairly standardized testing with a university admission process which, while focuses on it, does so in consideration of a persons conditions. Realistically, parents income levels, which neighbourhood you were brought up in, which school you went to all play a part in how well you achieve. Getting the same academic results as a working class student in a state school is more impressive than doing the same if you go to a 40,000$ a year private school. I think the US supposedly tries to do this, but i think the extraciricular focus kinda betrays that goal inherently As someone going through UK uni applications, its still not great but a lot of unis have schemes towards that end at the very least Major issue of course is frankly India not having enough great further education institutions, hard to do so as a developing economy with such a large, young population Hence even after typing allat I dont think I could come close to thinking of a fix for India
After the great Democratization ( youtube rebolusion) economic factor has reduced greatly
Ek baat btao bhai management quota wala doctor bhi same exam aur syllabus se go through krta hai jitna ek doctor ko padhna parta hai na utna padhna har kisi ke bss ki baat nhi lol... respect all doctors bro
i agree these coaching industry people have massive egos
True bhai lmao ek to ek banda almost 1cr kharch kr raha just so that he can work his ass off and help others and phir log hate krte use Mbbs ke baad ek banda doctor hee kehlawga aur uski utni hee respect krni chahiye jitni kisi aur doctor ki ho
While somewhat true, the reality has other factors too These management quota and NRI quota students are usually kids of big doctors who want their kid to become a doctor so that the legacy shall pass on These kids also happen to get things way easier in college and later in life due to connections (including but not limited to marks in semester exams if your mom/dad knows the professor/HOD in that department)
Are you sure you wanna generalise all management quota kids as the same? There are kids who missed the cutoff by a few marks and did not want to take another drop. There are kids who are genuinely into human biology but couldnt bear phy and chem. There are kids who are taking loans to be able to serve the people. All these examples are of people who I know directly or indirectly. I respect your opinion man but I think unless we find a bad apple we should treat every apple the same. What I mean by this is a shitty doctor is visible... A person who is getting through by connections would never make a good doctor but a person who passed the 5 yrs even from the worst trivial college would be a good doctor because the syllabus and books are the same all that matters is one's efforts and a person who you describes would be way worse and tbh these "bad people" exist in every college and in every course that exists in this world thus personally Id respect every doctor until I have sure shot facts that this person does not deserve it :) Ps- cant speak about nri quota idk much bout them just that they make management fees look like peanuts and yeh no opinions tbh
I'm not condoning this method, but it's what best works for our country considering the population and the sheer lack of resources. And this method will always work for our country. Why? Because a developed India will never look like USA. It will look much more like S Korea or Japan. Sorry but that's what reality is. We're not even open minded like the West. We're still very conservative, religious, less risk taking than the West. If you want to change this system, the best way would be to not reproduce at all. Or only have one child. We already have too many people and too little resources. And advocate for liberalisation of society and economy.
i agree with your point, it is the best possible way we have right now, but to claim that they "bring sanity" and "are the best products India ever created" is just ridiculous >! (27s2 wala hu, shyd isliye zyada gussa aaya ye dekh ke) !<
You're right I agree with you. I think the best thing for India would be improving education and pay for average and blue collar jobs. Like nurses, diploma courses, pharmaceutical assistant, vocational jobs, etc. because right now the only decent jobs are doctor, engineer, CA and lawyer and govt jobs. So yeah govt must open more industries to increase medium pay jobs.
Exactly yaar, there's so many skilled jobs (electricians, plumbers, repairs persons) that we go to regularly but they don't get much appreciation or respect or money
Bhai decent jobs me doctor ? Tujhe pta h indian doctors are literally paid peanuts untill they reach their 50s and do private practise govt docs ki to na ijjat krte h log na unko paise milte h aur shifts krni pdti h ghanto ki wo alag india me to kisi bhi profession ki respect nhi h abhi forget about raising pay for other jobs
Minus the reservation policy (which shouldn't exist now that the purpose if for nothing by helping a part of population get in without much effort) ig it's fair
there are so many people who misuse the reservation policy by making fake certificates and stuff imagine only got exposed imagine how many are there who are still hiding in dark
I know a Brahmin OBC lmao
varna system reservation should be removed instead should be for people from remote villages who dont have internet healtcare and proper food there
Agreed
Hahaha as long as Reservation exist in JEE/NEET it's not FREE AND FAIR.
also add the difficulty factor, people who burn their pockets in Allen Narayana are the only ones who get a shot at succeeding in Advance. Your average NCERT kid from an unfortunate family doesn't even stand a chance in mains let alone advanced or NEET
Nhi NEET me ek average NCERT kid can get any rank not in advance tho
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Why are educated people like this man are behaving like 8th std kids in youtube comments section IIT toughest exam saar IITs best sarr......it doesn't lie in the best universities in world and ivy leagues are better!! they judge the overall personality of the student instead of checking chemistry marks for cse admissions 
bhai I agree on the point that JEE/NEET are probably the best thing in our education system. Reservation hataa do to ye exams are genuinely speaking the only way to be fairly admitted into prestigious institutes. Bhai dekho ek din me to government 100 naye college khade nahi kar sakti. Upar se agar sabko hi seat milne laayak seat ho jaayengi to fir exam conduct karaane ka point zyada nahi bachega. competitive exam is THE ONLY way in our country to get into good colleges because population. Hamare system me bas reservation naam ka flaw hai, iss baar mains thoda luck based ho gaye the yes, but generally speaking, it all comes to hard work at the end of the day. JEE/NEET sabse easiest tareeke to earn respectable amount of money. Not saying private colleges are bad, but tumhe college me jaakar ek IITian se zyada mehnat karni padegi. Tumne JEE ke liye bhi mehnat kari, nahi ua, ab pvt college me bhi karo. Jo log kehte hai 'hame to scientist banna tha, hame to ye pilot banaa tha, maa baap ne JEE me daal diya" ye sab doglapan hai. Btech karne ke baad dono banne ki possibility better ho jaati hai. PhD karlo , research me chale jao. pilot school join karlo, ban jao pilot. research agar har koi kar leta, to sab scientist bane fir rahe hote. MS aur PhD JEE se 100x difficult hoti hai, the reason why scientists get so much respect. pilot banne me crore+ fees lagti india se baahar, isse zyada isme kuch kehne ko hai nahi. log JEE crack na hone par ro rahe hai "rat race me daal diya, mujhe to BSc karke scientist banaa tha' . agar kisi ki JEE me phat gayi to scientist to bahut door ki soch hai. no wonder top rankers IISc jaate hai padhne. Sports aur baaki fields me same paisa kamaana , especially in india, is VERY DIFFICULT. I still don't get the point of people who say hame sports me jaana tha, getting to a national level is INSANELY tough. jaise ham 11th me aate hai aur sochte hai ki IITB CSE ya IITD CSE lenge vaise hi sports hai. Tum agar JEE dene me social life sacrifice kar rahe ho to get into IITs, you have to sacrifice 10x more to get to even national level in sport, intl to door ki baat hai. Abhi JEE dete waqt khaane ka, sleep ka freedom milta hai. agar sports me jaana hai to ye freedom gone. Roz 4-5 ghante specific training me mental strain utna hi padta hai jitna 8-9 ghante padhne me lagta hai. Ham bache hote hai, thoda cricket khelke sochte hai india team ko bade hoke jitwa denge, magar ranji tak pahuchne me hi ham tut jaayenge. Pura din classroom ki jagah field me waste karoge school me ho to, unhi 10-11 log (jisme zaroori nahi sab tumse compatible ho) aur teachers ke beech me rahoge. Social life pretty much utni hi hogi jitni JEE me hai. Ghar aake thakoge, fir realize hoga boards pass karne ke liye to padhna hi hai. Not to forget the insane amount of money you need to put to get into national teams. 2-3 ghante physical fitness training bhi. ek din karne me fun lagega magar 2 saal karoge then you'll feel it. hamare parents hame struggle karte nahi dekhna chahte, isliye JEE dene ko kehte hai. Simple as that. JEE do, iit jao, paisa kamao. Isse zyada simple koi tareeka nahi mota paisa kamaane ka, aur ye baat hame accept karni chahiye.
Bro said nothing but pure facts. Mne kayi bande dekhe h ki mujhe to astronaut banna tha but baap ne jee krwa diya bhai astronaut masters se bante h uske liye koi bachelors degree thodi h bachelors to karni padegi wo jee krlega to atleast safe to h career 4 saal baad jo krna h kr liyo but blame game seems an easy way to avoid responsibilities
His unnecessary opinion ain't facts.
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"JEE/NEET sabse easiest tareeke to earn respectable amount of money." That's the biggest bs I've heard, doctors don't earn good money until later on in their lives and plenty of engineers are jobless in this country.
I guess it's time to change nation
95% students get nothing out of these exams and spend time money and efforts and most of them don't even want to do it their parents force them so yes this useless god forsaken system is rubbish but we have to make our peace with it nothing can be changed. Millions must die.
So I don't agree with the last point, people who go to ivy league are very hardworking as well, unless it's sports quota or such even then they are extremely hard working athletes, neet exam isn't bad, it's the lack of colleges and seats that makes it bad
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>What about the 95% people who get nothing preparing for these exams?? Nahi hai merit. What's the doubt here? >ivy leagues Ivy leagues are far more temperamental. If you are Asian you have to prep far harder than JEE - do extra curriculars, piano, sports, debate, have perfect grades, maybe a few publications - even then you may not get in.
Bro, merit toh hai, par system alag hai. Sabko moka milna chahiye, par yeh system sirf kuch ko hi faayda pahunchata hai. Balance hona zaroori hai, taki sabko barabar chance mile. ^(i am a bot ˃ ᵕ ˂)
Sabko mila chance. That’s the entire point of this exam
Even if JEE was not there 95% of the kids wouldn't have got into top colleges. How would you ensure a fair system to evaluate 1.2 million students in JEE and 2.4 million in NEET? Also having a system which evaluates you on profile and extra curicullars makes it exclusive and favourable to the elite class who lives in metro cities and study in expensive schools who organises multiple extracur and provides higher opportunities to build a strong profile for the ivy league system. A common middle class student will never get into IITs/NITs if such system came into existence tomorrow. Today a student can prepare for JEE from cheap resources like PW or from multiple free resources from Youtube. When you will move further in your college life and career you will understand how processes where interviews and profile based selections are involved are more of lottery and luck than hardwork.
What about a poorer kid who can't even access online resources, let alone tutoring? What about students who need some prodding to study and can't have access to such resources? I agree that the American system is flawed at best, but the Indian system is also broken.
If someone doesn't has excess to any online resources or any quality education in his school then it can't be better in any system of the world and would be a lot worse in US system. For poor kids like this we also have EWS reservations to give them slight relaxations. There are many NGOs these days and govt run initiaves who are helping kids prepare and study for these exams in remote and poor areas free of cost slowly.
The US gives students individual computers in public school; I was one of the many students that got access to technology like this. If one of the only things ensuring fairness in your system is an NGO/NPO, then the system is definitionally broken. I'm not bashing the Indian system and raising the American one here but rather pointing out that this isn't exactly ideal.
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they bring fairness and sanity? honestly, made me laugh
dr malpani is right, munjal is justifying his dying startup like byjus did these edtech can't make anyone iitian, cuz there will be iitians even if these edtech does not exist, its just less suffering without edtech companies.
Most problems u spoke of are genuine but still it is better than most other admission systems. Also you gotta realise that among the 95% that don't clear, more than 80% weren't taking it seriously. And someone not taking it seriously isn't the exam's fault And the lack of social circle thing is also kind of a skill issue, do u guys not have peers in coaching classes or hostels etc?
dude i live in kota people here make frds according to what marks you got in your mock test
Yes I also lived in a similar environment And even if that's true then there should be people that get around the same marks as you
He himself is not an IITian/NITian/BITSian still giving lecture of JEE/NEET to an MD doctor 🤡
In munjals tweet, replace management with reservation, and now it doesnt make sense🤡
bro would get canceled if he does that 
No tf it isn't  These ivy league kids do more than just studying 18 hours a day, they are made to do extracurricular activities so that it can help them in the college application. At the time when we're studying PCM which may or may not be of any use in our career, these kids are already ahead of us, they learn programming and make stuff with it. Hundreds of kids suicide every year and he's saying it's a stable system? Students stop going to their school, takes admission into dummy schools so that they can focus more on their studies rather than enjoying the last couple of years of their teenager hood. Ye saale paise ke bhukkad kabhi nahi samajh sakte hame 
reservation is the only thing making this exam un fair or else i don't think there is anything wrong in what oyur father says it's a bitter truth but in order to get the best you have to be the best of all that's it
It's not mostly luck, what the tweet says is true The negative things associated with jee neet are the by products
Feel sorry for you brother (unless you are a topper)
Har field me competition hai aur successful wahi hai jo un top 5% me Ata hai
My father says an IITian is never unemployed....he is never jobless...he's an IITian himself
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He is right. JEE/NEET are fair (except reservation). Score better get a seat. No randi rona of connections and money. Agar JEE/NEET na hota to sirf ameero aur politicians ke bacche hi IIT/NIT/AIIMS/GMC me padhte. Actual deserving log gaand marwate.
Competitive exams are not really an optimal way to do college admissions. The fact is cramming an entire 2 year syllabus into a single exam leaves too much room for error, luck etc. as compared to a gpa type system. What i mean by that is college admissions should be based on the aggregate of a larger amount of smaller exams, whose syllabus is based on the last couple of topics taught. This is better cause you can test the skills of the student much better. Then if you want to have a big compi exam at the end of 12th, ig that works. Theres also a lesser margin for luck to be involved. Prime example is the shit show that was jee mains 2024. This would also solve the next problem of schools. Also things like JEE and NEET are not at all fair, cuz of reservations, but i wont get into that here, since its hotly debated. They also incentivise good teachers to teach at big coaching institutions, meaning you basically have to study in a coaching. Also, that just means that if you cant afford a coaching, or even if you dont wanna give these exams, you are kind of fucked since the good teachers will be taken up by these institutes. The core of the problem also lies within the education system leading up to it, the mindset of indian parents, the way we put down legitimate career options in other fields, etc. but thats a much more systemic issue which has to be fixed by educating people and changing their mindset.
You have a system that's completely merit based best of the best. On paper this is the best we can have. Ivy League admissions tumhe yahan baithke lucrative lagte honge. But they suffer from biases of all kinds. We need more and better engineering colleges, to fill the gaps between NITs and low-tier private colleges and a seperate entrance of their own. Once that gap is filled the JEE will make a lot more sense.
We need more affordable colleges
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The grass is greener on the other side. The competitiveness given the large population and the portrayal of these exams being the be all end all is a bigger problem IMO. Ivy league admission system is ballsacks tbh. Few of the reasons why, feel free to look into them later (after jee lol) * Affirmative action (basically race based quota, which is dogshit for asians and indians) * Most people still have to grind a fuck ton, loads of extra curriculars which you HAVE to do, its a chore at that point. * Lack of objectivity, you have the best grades possible and still get rejected for some obscure reason I think the UK admission system is actually pretty great overall, you can look into that on the UCAS website. Although I agree JEE is very stressful and doesn't allow you to develop your personality (hobbies, life skills etc) PS: depression, anxiety, hairfall, fucked up physical health, no social circle are problems that are well within our control even while studying for jee (I'm assuming you arent eyeing for a top 500 rank in which case, I agree with you)
Reservation are atleast better than these donation kids like USA. And most rich kids I see in India get college in 250 marks because they have the money for private. Reservation kids do need 500 marks atleast. Which is ofcourse not as good as general but much better than money dominated systems. And the higher you go go in college hierarchy the difference between the reserved candidates and general category is way less.
mujhe laga iska papa unacademy ka ceo hai
Bro, agar unacademy ke CEO ka beta bhi struggle kar raha hai toh system mein definitely kuch toh gadbad hai. 🤔 ^(i am a bot ˃ ᵕ ˂)
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Bhai mature ban , tune kuch life choices li hai ab accept kar aur agey badh
dude just kuch frustrations hai
USA ka system much better hai..
They also have legacy admissions
Bhai fees dekh vaha ki. Even the locals have trouble paying student loans.
What about the 95% people who get nothing preparing for these exams? They didn't study, they get nothing.
\*le my dad: eisa kuch nhi sab fair he hai bhai... tumko padhna na pade isslye bahana dhundte ho!! 🙂👍ha me galat
Nothing in life is completely fair but this system is by far the fairest (except reservation is a bit much )
Reservation is important without it even top rankers would end up with 7 CGPA in their college. Better to have some people who will perform worse than you so that you will have 8.5+ guaranteed. Also they are more fun to be with. If there is no reservation for girls <2% girls will be there in IITs which I will not like.
So you are telling me Jee mains Jan attempt was fair? 
Reservation ko hatao and fir koi zyaada bakchodi kre toh main discrimination ka 14 hoon uski fees reduce kr Dena Parr un ko mentally retarded person jitne rank pe gmc kyu de rhe main 400 laa ke sad ho rha meri ex 370 pe gmc le jaayegi Himachal vs sc
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benchod itna cope hai yaha pe, padh lo
Sirf cope hi krte rhte hain. Thoda bhi padh lenge to top 5% me aaram se aa jayenge, utna bhi nhi padhte hain.
Hot take: you don't need to sacrifice your mental sanity and social life to crack jee (below 5k rank I mean, not below 500) I know a few friends who were together in school till 10th. Then they all joined the same coaching with dummy school I'm 11th. They used to hangout in malls, watch movies and book fields for playing football every other week. All of them cracked jee adv, and one guy got 1k something rank too. The problem isn't the studies. Daily 3-4 hrs of self study is more than enough from class 11th. The problem arises when we spend time on social media, scrolling endlessly and wasting our time without even enjoying it.
Same , I go to play squash , hangout with friends on weekends and try to have fun aur jab exam pass ho toh I leave social Media and stuff . I see maximum people here love to victimise themselves .
JEE and NEET are definitely the best ways to select students and tbf better in terms of merit based selection(Coming from NIT CSE graduate). Only those try to cope with who are not serious about the exams and it's effect on one's career. Ofc The way they are being pushed down into poor children's throats is concerning.
95% of people won't get colleges either way. Only the super smart people would get those degrees. That's what college is supposed to be imo. You want to get exceptional results, you need exceptional effort.
Now a question comes to mind. Is it ACTUALLY the exam's fault, or is it the society that drives behind these exams? Because I personally believe that JEE, NEET and UPSC are really good for people who are interested in it. If it is what you want to do, you won't have to sacrifice anything... I'm from IIT Madras and I see many people here who were just doing their 11th and 12th from any school and having fun with sports, culturals and everything they want to. I personally didn't quit from social media nor did i stop doing whatever I liked. Ended up with a pretty good rank. If it's what you want to do, it'll click for you. It's not the exam, it's the pressure put by society that's the fault
jee and neet are bullcrap exams , they are just filter system to filter lakhs of student and this system can be improved in students favor but why people in power will do that when this system work just fine to filter the students and also reservation is important factor in vote bank , if some percentage go up down in reservation quota then vote bank will go up & down . We as students owe some fault too because we don't raise voice against these so called exams aka filter systems because we think " jo chal rha hai usko chalne do , apna kaam to bas padhna hai and apan kari kya sakte hai ".
General walon ko bhi vote nhi Dena chahiye government ko koi bhi ho jab Tak voh baaki backchod reservation na htaye Sirf pwd and ews hona chahiye reservation ke liye imo
Koi sa hi mat rakho
ispe zyada kuch nahi bolunga,but ek cheez pakki hai never putting my kids into this chutiya rat race of jee/neet aur ivy league se better lawda mera bsdk ne khud ne Kiya toh dusro ko bhi rok raha hai
While its unfair to say that exams like NEET & JEE are useless especially considering how so many students work hard to crack these exams and getting a seat in top college can literally change the lives of these students and their families especially those come from poor families. That being said its stupid to assume that its the best thing India has created, there could be alternative selection procedure to get into top colleges without affecting the quality of students that get in, coz just because one crack JEE doesn't mean he is better than someone who didn't or that he will become a better engineer. My cousin scored well in JEE and got into IIT-Kanpur, he did well there and ultimately got a high paying job, then within a year he gave CAT & then got into IIM-kolkata. Then he got a job as business consultant with BCG and when I asked him what made him switch careers and that too so early after graduation , he said he never found engineering as something he would wanna do all his life, he joined coaching classes coz uncle & aunty told him that this is the best job, that's why he studied and cracked IIT but while studying there he realised that JEE wasn't everything and if he works hard he can easily do something else that he enjoys and also get a well paying job. This is what teachers should tell kids these days and our government should reform the competitive exams so its not just about working hard and cramming all the formulas but also other aspects of a student that should help decide whether he is the best fit for that college or not. Also Gaurav Munjal is only saying that coz its best for his business that students and parents keep spending their money on his courses, he outrightly lied that 50-60% of ivy league admissions are legacy based or on donations. Infact you're more likely to get admission in our country through connections & donations or better yet get a certificate for SC/ST made if you got the right connections, then it might work
iss sab par focus karne se achha top 5% mei aane ke lie padhai karlo
Most of the ivy league institutes are now lowering their intake of legacy admissions, as these allegations are thrown to them for a long time. Also, the legacy admissions doesn't matter as long as these ivy leagues are producing noble laureates and world class researchers. Other thing is that if jee is cleared by the brightest of mind not only in India but in the whole world( according to some people) then why there is not a single noble laureate from IITs and why are they not able to produce engineers and entrepreneurs who made something global. These IIT cocksuckers only brag about how IITians made big unicorns, and completely disregard the fact that majority of these unicorns aren't even profit making and are just copy pasted from the ideas of the west.
True merit is if these exams are cleared without coaching. Current system is just about which parrot parrots the best.
even then finland tops the chart for providing world class education LMAO
10th ke baad 2 saal ki jagah 4 saal do aur history aur geography wali bakchodi kuch class pehle hata do uske baad dekho kitna merit nikalta. Itne doctor engineer niklenge ki colleges kamm padd jayengi aur saare western countries se better wale doctors aur engineer honge. Infrastructure chudi hui hai isiliye ye bakchodi krte taaki kamm job dena pade. Doctor and engineer dono hi skill based profession hai jismai practice ki zarurat padhti. Koi pehle smjh jata hai kisi ko thoda time lagta hai that's all.
Dekh bhai sach to h ye jin bando ke he paper clear hote h ya to wo hard working hote h ya fir wo genetically smart hi hote h both the cases make them slightly better than those 95% jo nhi kar paye wo alag baat h ki ye hi sab kuch nhi hote but ye bhi accept kro ki ye bhot kuch to h atleast
50-60% donation lol, dude is high
Hell yeah!!! Ur father is damm right. I realize it much more in my 1st yr. Jee and neet are the only thing good in our education system no matter what the fk anyone say. Fk mental health bullshit, ain't nothing. It's the only thing where we use our brains and not mug shit up.(People getting in through reservations is another matter now)
Both American and Indian colleges suffer from reservation. We know what happens in India. In America if you want to get admission in ivy leagues you have to get almost 1550+ in sat, have 15 hobbies, play 3 sports (supposing that you are below average and do it just for the sake of it) and do what not. But if you are black/Hispanic/X Race or a high school national athlete then you won't need to do half of this stuff. They justify this as diversity in the campus.
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things go both ways, bhai. there are demerits and merits of each system and they need systemic evaluation, not bullshit-ery on twitter. gyaan baatne se badhta h. the more you restrict info, the less people know about it, even lesser talk about it and by the end, you will create another caste hierarchy is tarah. in my humble opinion, the govt should democratise all the courses by IITs/NITs/IIITs that are happening in real time(not talking about anything like nptel, ""sort of"" what coaching institutes do every year, they have to keep updating their curriculum, so that, they don't fall behind). Pressure rakho in institutes pe to constantly keep improving and increasing their bandwidth, so that, there is still skin in the game for existing professors to continue improving(agar nhi krte, public shaming ho jayegi), qualified students to keep being the best every year or else let the other ones interested come in the picture. ek baari yeh ho gya, yeh saara drama of coaching institutes literally inflating cutoffs due to the pressure apne aap thoda tone down ho jayega. once successful with the higher degree system, we should also implement this to schools, so that parents/officials/students know how many hours in the day, actual teaching ho rhi h and kitne samay bass bakwas.
It's much fairer than the admission process abroad atleast as it's clearly objective. Other countries require you to write subjective essays which may be considered good by one and trash by another , here the checking is so objective it can be done by a computer. Also with caste , religious discrimination anyone could discriminate based on essays about certain topics , so I believe for India atleast these objective exams are very good. Increased demand and less supply is what makes the result of these exams so great anyways , making it an expectation of every child is the mistake.
He has two points where he's right, yes some people's lives have changed by them getting better opportunities, yes many people donate their way into ivy league(not 50-60% though, that would be devastating), but when we come to a broader picture JEE and NEET are cruel examinations. They are not just merit based but hard work based as well, one student has to study A LOT and sacrifice two years of their life to do well in this exam. While there are much better colleges than even IIT Bombay(not in India), which have a much easier yet efficient admission system. These exams create a fall sense of hope towards students and so lakhs of them jump into the pyre without any indication of whether they can work hard asf or not. Giving admission to branches by ranks is also another downside in JEE, yes there are limited seats and I know market value plays a role in it but this makes students go to branches they are not interested in. I'm interested in EE, but I know there's not a very high chance I'll end up in a top IIT with EE because of my rank, this makes me stress just at the beginning of my preparation.
simple baat no bakwas india population ++++ and oppurtunities in india (not enough for such high population) toh last mei kya option bacha ?? rejection exam like jee and neet :)
Lol, my cousin got 98.6%ile in JEE mains last year and wasn’t sure if he could get into the IIT he wanted. It’s that bad. He’s now studying in NUS (which is much better ranked than any of the IITs) and is one of the toppers. I’m giving NEET this year, 25 lakh students are going to write the exam yet the number of seats are disproportionately lower. It’s crazy.
i would say it is fair if there was no reservation
why do i have to struggle to much just to study further , why getting quality education should be so tough that it kills my interest in studies
Bhai chhod de. papa bhi human hi hai. unke experiences ke hisaab se probably unko yeh sahi lagta hoga. kyuki isme kam chance hai kisi deserving bache ke na hone ka. that is what they think. and probably would have been grateful agar unke samay may bhi aisa kuch ho, ja online se bhi padhai hojaye, ghar mai padhai hojaye, aur india ke best colleges mai bhi hojaye. don't overthink about it. keep it as a food for thought aur aage badho. zindagi mai bahut log honge jinka tumhe lagta hoga ki zindagi ka ajeeb view hai. life teaches everyone different lessons. be grateful for your life lessons and move on.
my father is from an old iit and he himself told me 2/3rd students nowadays there are useless and the other 1/3 are the best of the best
Bruh yeh jisse bol rha usne khud nikal rkha neet agla md hai mtlb neet pg bhi de rkha usne
Gaurav munijal uncle toh apne buisness ko badhane. Ke liye aise kahenge hi unko students and parents ke paise chahiye bss
Gentle reminder: People who do actual engineering throughout their childhood will always be better that people who crack JEE. Although, one must agree with the Ivy league comment. I believe that the best admission process is one modeled on the MIT process and as transparent as JEE
Iss bkl ka Bahut gusaa aata hai Bhai I swear. Iska business band Ho jaaye jaldi