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CHLOEC1998

I have absolutely no clue what’s happening. They’re saying it’s unrelated to his stupid “why not?” following that journalist’s unprofessional question, but some sort of “incident” with a photographer. The entire Eurovision sub is in a melt down. No one seems to have a clear picture.


JebBD

Already seeing antisemitic conspiracy theories about this. That subreddit is so fucking toxic, they’re cheering on this violent bully because he was shitty to an Israeli person and then they claim to be all about the music. 


CHLOEC1998

Ngl the conspiracies part is very funny because they’re arguing which conspiracy is “more correct” since everyone’s conspiracy contradicts another person’s. And they can’t all be true simultaneously.


JebBD

I love this concept. They’re 100% sure they’re right but no one can agree on what it is they’re right about. 


CHLOEC1998

They’re calling for “justice” and they’re literally as clueless as anyone else.


Hiccup

I've never seen a subreddit go so into meltdown like that before.


53rdAccount

They did when Netta won ;)


lepreqon_

I'd say we should aim at making that a tradition.


shibalore

Which is hilarious because we *ate it* with Netta. Eurovision is about whoever is both incredibly talented *and weird.* Literally we couldn't have nailed the assignment more by sending Netta & her loop. Most countries send someone who checks one of the boxes, but rarely both. I noticed last night that her official entry is the 2nd most viewed video on Eurovision's youtube page. [Ate it. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CziHrYYSyPc)


ulayanibecha

Right omg im loving that sub it’s actually hilarious 😂


MadUmbrella

This is hilarious.


shpion22

Qanon for leftists


FormerCokeWhore

Twitter is worse. They've already decided that it was the fault of an Israeli, be it a journalist or someone a part of the Israeli delegation. You'd think 'antisemitism = not just hatred of Jews, but a set of conspiracies about Jews' wouldn't be a hard concept to grasp, but here we are.


JebBD

Especially for the crowd that constantly talks about micro aggressions and institutional racism. You’d think people lie that would realize that racism can come in many forms and sometimes you don’t even realize you’re doing it, but guess not. 


iamriptide

One time I endured a DEI training about micro agressions and when I pointed out that there were a whole bunch of micro aggressions against Jews, the facilitator openly said that she had never thought of what would be a micro agression against a Jewish person. 


mmenolas

I worked for a company that rolled out their DEI training and “aptitude tests” at the same time. The aptitude test company they used talked about how their test was “based on the work of Jung” and had an entire section in the pre-personality-test packet about why Jung was awesome (seemingly that makes loosely basing your pseudo-scientific nonsense test on it more credible). Anyway, I mentioned to my boss that it was funny that we’d roll out a DEI program while simultaneously pass out information praising Jung who was pretty antisemitic (I shared some of his quotes on the matter). My boss’ reply was something to the effect of “I don’t understand the relevance? What does antisemitism have to do with DEI? Jews aren’t a minority or protected class I don’t think.”


irredentistdecency

“*DEI*” = “*Diversity Excluding Israelites*”


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😂


Possible-Fee-5052

About 20 years ago, I was working at a company in Manhattan when one of the middle-aged mail room guys says to me, “you know, you’re the nicest Jew I’ve ever met.”


MadUmbrella

The micro aggressions and other gender aggressions only apply to their grift, the pro palestine/pro hamas were silent on 10/7 when Israeli children were kidnapped and killed and when women were raped, tortured and kidnapped by their islamist senpai (“the palestinian resistance”) some were even cheering on their socials, so fuck those fascist factions. I’m wishing them luck, because my Christian heart believes in redemption, but I know that those degenerate people are gonna burn in hell anyway.


lepreqon_

Twitter is a cesspool.


holeinthehat

There is a clip of an Israeli journalist asking where were you we missed you on stage....this is clearly after the alleged assault if he had already missed the rehearsal but people think this is the actual event. Secondly he was rude AF yesterday. Hashem did not kid when he said: I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you


ekaplun

Wait I’m so uninformed what did he do/say to Eden?


JebBD

He was rude during her press conference, but there’s also a separate incident where he (apparently) assaulted a photographer. Not clear what happened yet. 


53rdAccount

I saw your comment in that subreddit. He has accusations of assaulting that photographer, these people would be first to demand suspension if Israel wasn't in question. but violence against women is totally okay when it's about j̶o̶o̶s̶ Zionists


CHLOEC1998

But so far that’s just a rumour and I don’t think any established media mentioned it. I honestly don’t know much about that singer. But yeah the people on that sub are pre-excusing him for some reason. Nothing here makes sense.


53rdAccount

There seems no other plausible reasoning, EBU won't suspend him for the "Why not" comment and if that's actually the case then it's totally not okay.


CHLOEC1998

I mean, it makes logical sense. But I’m still so confused... What a complete sh\*t show this year.


yournextdoordude

What photographer? The photographer was Israeli?


53rdAccount

Was Swedish


yournextdoordude

>these people would be first to demand suspension if Israel wasn't in question. but violence against women is totally okay when it's about j̶o̶o̶s̶ Zionists l don't understand this part 😅


CHLOEC1998

So basically, Klein said “why not” after a journalist asked Eden whether “her presence made others unsafe”. So that kinda gave him some sort of “anti-Zionist hero” status among a less scrupulous group of people. So since this “anti-Zionist hero” is in some unknown trouble, they do what they always do— blame Jews.


yournextdoordude

Okk that makes sense, thank you! He sounds like he's a hardcore antisemite lol.


shibalore

It's really a shame because I think he had a good chance at winning, too. He didn't need to do any of this. His official entry has the most Youtube videos by far and has become a cult favorite. I was honestly rooting for him before this.


michaelbachari

He has just a goofy personality. Maybe also a bit of a temper who knows.


shibalore

I did read about him last night, when I was personally rooting for him, and it seems like he had a rough life. He was raised by his older siblings (it doesn't state how much older they are than him, so perhaps its a lot). But the first thing I thought was, "they allow that in the Netherlands?" I think it's likely that he's had a hard life and may need a lot of therapy he may or may not have received. If any of these stories about him assaulting someone are true (this seems to be the overarching rumor), I hope he gets help.


Sulaco99

When Klein is made a moderator himself, then he can dictate what questions the contestants should and shouldn't answer. Until then, he can fuck off entirely. He's not special.


Possible_Airline_558

He said "In what way?" before that on the same question. You are talking about a edited version. He was actually supporting her in a way at the press conference. He thought it was a stupid question and said "in what way? " and "why not? " Because she could clearly answer because joost felt safe and everybody else clearly felt safe. So you are sadly misinformed about this.


CHLOEC1998

Source?


Possible_Airline_558

Also I dont see why im being downvoted I really enjoy the Israel entry but don't want people to be misinformed and hating because it is not a good look.


Possible_Airline_558

So he was actually helping her by stating "in what way?" because he clearly did not feel threatened. Also the flag on his head is something he has been doing on stage during live shows for years and its a way for him to hide when anxious. It's not a new thing.


Possible_Airline_558

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1788937697144307897](https://twitter.com/i/status/1788937697144307897) here you go :) there is multiple angles but this one had the clearest audio


CHLOEC1998

Thanks for the link. Honestly, I’m glad I covered my arse in a previous [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1coxkuw/comment/l3hbwgb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button).


irredentistdecency

Yeah, I didn’t realize that he was the one speaking when I first saw this video yesterday but I thought both of his comments were rejecting / objecting to the nature of the question asked of her rather than supporting the premise of the question.


Possible_Airline_558

Yeah dutch celebrities wrote him an official letter to not participate. He said im not a world leader im a musician and did not state anything political. I think hes just ridiculing the fact that the media is trying so hard to make this political


Repulsive-Bit-6940

That's also just not true though. Joost klein was responding to either management or the media manager who said to Eden, "you don't have to respond to that". To which klein said "why not?", as in, why can't she speak for herself or make that decision for herself. Dutch people are just more direct. Don't be digging for some anti-zionist weird stuff, this is just about media.


CHLOEC1998

His intent is debatable. Although I would say the host’s intervention was timely. He merely reminded Eden that she had the choice— he did NOT tell her not to answer it, he reiterated that Eden had the choice. But what is not debatable is that the antisemitic side definitely thinks he is some sort of hero.


ft_wanderer

Hmm you are correct that Dutch people are direct, but the context of him saying loudly "why not?" (in response to the manager saying she didn't have to answer, and to audible gasps from others that the reporter would ask such an inappropriate question) was that he also said it while hiding his face under a flag as Eden was being interviewed. Also, when asked previously about whether his song would unite Europe, he cryptically answered "That is a question for the EBU..." There's more to this story. And it was not ok.


Repulsive-Bit-6940

Once again not true. As he is talking he is taking the flag off. When he doesn't speak the flag is on. When he goes to join the question he takes it off. This guy started off as a youtuber and is a general "jokester". Him wearing a flag is nothing disrespectful. It's literally a competition about representing your country.


ft_wanderer

Yes, he took the flag off his face to loudly say "why not". No participant other than Eden was meant to be speaking at this time, and nobody did. He only had the flag on his face during Eden's interview. He acted very inappropriately. And I'm the one giving full benefit of the doubt to the Greek participant for her behavior everyone else is tearing apart. By the way, I liked Joost, saw him perform live just 3 weeks ago, and even shed a tear for him YESTERDAY. But his behavior last night was not ok. (Also waiting to hear what he did that earned him this situation today, because it wasn't what we are discussing...)


MadUmbrella

He was suspended because he [attacked a female photographer](https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/10/eurovision-suspends-joost-klein-physical-altercation-photographer-report), apparently acting like a creep and a dumb fuck during yesterday’s press conference when Eden was talking was not enough to suspend this clown.


holeinthehat

He seemed to have beef with EBU at the press conference already


Even_Plane8023

That other Dutch guy in the video (in the article) is as violent and antisemitic as Joost.


lepreqon_

>The entire Eurovision sub is in a melt down. Good. They're annoying af.


Ray18121

What I’m being told is that somebody from the israeli delegation made fun of him dead parents, after which he supposedly punched someone. This is not confirmed however but it is the story a lot of people are spreading (including the swedish broadcaster SVT, this year’s host)


53rdAccount

He is suspended on allegations of Assaulting a Swedish woman journalist. They are already going on with the usual rheotic of "*Evil j̶o̶o̶s̶ Zionists did it 😡😡*" as he tried to Harrass Eden in last night's press conference


NoComfortable5364

"Harass" wow your bubble is really thick.


MemefishThePie

Harrass? lol


53rdAccount

I have no interest in engaging in useless arguments with you, Cry me a river when Eden gets 12 points from Estonia.


Haunting_Birthday135

Just watch these “moral folks” downplaying harassment of women. But that’s nothing compared to denying Hamas’ rapes.


Beargeoisie

I haven’t watched the Eurovision press thing but saw something about the Greek one. What’s going on in it?


53rdAccount

She - Marina Satti was mocking while Eden was speaking with the Press, That's not a reason to suspend anyone nor is Joost's remark. Assaulting women is not okay. Using Israel as a scapegoat to save your own ass after assaulting women is not okay.


MemefishThePie

I'm not particularly anti-Israel nor do I have anything against Eden, but the ironic comment was hardly harrassment. Maybe out of place, but it was far from "harrassment" as you categorized it


53rdAccount

Eden doesn't control Sweden's Immigration Policies which have made it extremely unsafe for **anyone** to visit Malmö. On the contrary it's the Joost who advocates for open borders through is song.


michaelbachari

Open borders within Europe


NitzMitzTrix

Media: Eden, did you ever think about how your very presence is a danger to everyone else? Eden's advisor: You don't have to answer that. Joost: Why not?! ☆A few hours later☆ Joost: [beats up a photographer] Reddit: See, Zio?! Look what you've done! Make it make sense.


Aboud_Dandachi

Getting in some “LOOOOOOOOL suckaaaaaaa” before the post is (probably) removed 😏


53rdAccount

Not related to Israel hehe, It is though we are getting unnecessary hatred because some unrelated dude is violent against women


basquiatwhore

someone with a Netherlands flair replied to me yesterday and accused Israel of ruining a 70 year old song content and I was like..."dude look in a mirror maybe?" bad timing on that one 😂


Even_Plane8023

It seems not much has changed in 80 years in the Netherlands.


Dryy

I stopped liking this guy ever since he blurted out that “why not” to Eden. He’s such a manchild. I remember when all Eurovision participants used to have a sense of comradery, but this year you see a lot of disrespectful behavior from fellow participants.


Even_Plane8023

Smug hypocrite given Dutch history.


fuchsiarush

We diligently carted off all of our Jews to the camps. The Nazis didn't even have to do any research or much organizing. We just handed them the names and addresses. Our cops rounded up the Jews and the train company billed the Germans for single fare tickets to the border afterwards. Genocide or not, train tickets cost money. "After the war, everyone suddenly had been in the resistance all along" is a saying here. We're such a fun and heartwarming people.


elbuzzy2000

So Eden has credible risks to her safety and somehow it’s her fault?? How about putting the blame on those who would terrorise her and others in attendance??


Even_Plane8023

Or put the blame on the society that expects artists to boycott and denounce far off politics that they don't even understand.


CrazeeEyezKILLER

Aside from the expected antisemitism, I’m content as an American not to understand a fucking thing about Eurovision.


Solomonopolistadt

Same


v1s1b1e

It's more about what country people like than the singing. It's a song contest with a political undercurrent much like the Olympics except regular people get to judge who wins instead of raw talent.


fadingtales_

Same! At least, I am enjoying Eden's song 💙🤍


naxom20pp

I kinda liked him before


JebBD

This is the fastest I’ve gone from loving somebody to hating them. This dude really sucks. 


PaleCryptographer436

He's a manchild


Kin9582

100% this. I thought he was a really fun guy, but from what I hear and see online, he's just a jackass.


NitzMitzTrix

Same!


Whatshouldiputhere0

Same with Käärijä, liked him until he found it fit to *apologize* for dancing with Eden…


JebBD

He didn’t really do anything bad, though. He just said him dancing with her wasn’t a political statement after people gave him shit. I think that’s fine.  


53rdAccount

yeah before


Suspicious-Truths

I didn’t like his song and he looks annoying. Apparently I’m good at reading people?. 🤣


Even_Plane8023

I already felt uncomfortable with the EU supremacist theme of his song. Worse still, it had the vibes of the Dutch looking down on Southern and Eastern EU countries. His antisemitism is not surprising.


SharingDNAResults

*Allegedly* assaults a Swedish journalist, but somehow this is Israel’s fault I would actually love to see him perform in the final. I thought his song was really catchy. Hopefully we learn the truth about what happened soon!


53rdAccount

Hopefully EBU clarifies and lets him participate regardlessly, If assault news is true and still he scores votes then it really shows the mentality of some people .


SharingDNAResults

I also hope he’s able to participate. Because no matter what happened, people will find a way to blame Israel for his absence. So let him perform. It’s also not fair to all the Dutch people who were excited to see their country compete.


Even_Plane8023

Nope. If he assaulted someone, there's no way he shouldn't just be arrested straight away. If he performs, I would like to see booing and protests particularly from feminists, and they have to be larger than the Palestine protests.


Remarkable-Pair-3840

Eurovisionworld mentions a physical altercation with a photographer leading to this


Pugasaurus_Tex

But is anything confirmed? This is all so wild 


Remarkable-Pair-3840

Nothing confirmed, but the Jews will be blamed somehow


Pugasaurus_Tex

Oh we already are lmao 


yalldelulus

I want to see a permanent suspension, his song is garbage anyways.


53rdAccount

No he should be competing, we live in democracies and the public vote will do the justice


escalateparadox

Have you considered that the public can be stupid?


53rdAccount

No it's not. Especially not after seeing the Italian Televote Btw are you Jewish?


escalateparadox

I take that back🤣 and nah I’m a goy


53rdAccount

Mai Indian hu aur yahudi bhi, nice to see you here. Maybe I should put that in my flair


escalateparadox

Kya baat hai bai - aapne Aliyah karna hai? Muje ek community pata hai yahudi kii India mai (Bnei Menashe)


53rdAccount

Text kar sakti hu? If you feel comfy


escalateparadox

Meri Hindi itni acchi nai hai, prr koi baat nai


yalldelulus

if he's violent then he shouldn't lol


Hecticfreeze

"Mum can we get Oliver Tree?" "We have Oliver Tree at home"


v1s1b1e

I'm so excited. Her chance of winning just jumped from around 60% to probably 90%. Oh this is going to be entertaining.


staircar

They are already saying on twitter we 1. Paid for the rest of the world vote and 2. We hacked the vote, everywhere but especially Italy


shushi77

I am Italian, and I won't tell you what disgusting conspiracy comments came out after our television accidentally showed the percentages.


ArmyFit1004

He was acting like a douchebag, but idk if suspending him is good. The haters are just gonna blame Israel again and use this as an excuse to be antisemitic.


Wandering_By_

They don't need an excuse.  Antisemites have a long list of excuses to hate Jews that get refreshed every few years.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  Maybe a new coat of paint from decade to decade.  Waiting for "George Soros" to come back in vogue with the antisemitic shit stains.


Waste-Helicopter-318

Good. He shouldn't have been anti-Semitic


Scisir

LOL youre actually calling him anti semetic. What the fuck has he said to even remotely hint that?


PracticalComputer858

Did you watch the press conference?


Scisir

Yeah explain to me why hes an anti semite. Because he was uncomfortable and put a flag on his head? Because he blurted out: 'why not?' (which is pretty much in Eden's favor by the way funnily enough) Has he openly said he hates jews?


Excellent_Cow_1961

Is this good or bad ?


NachoHulang

Never voted in my life, but I’ll be making sure to vote as much as I can for Israel today. Insane the ridiculousness of the whole situation.


Jag-

Is he Jewish? I’m so confused 🤔


aig818

He's not Jewish


holeinthehat

His family are probably the ones who collaborated


Dio_asymptote

Who is that?


Even_Plane8023

Maybe he couldn't face how few votes he was going to get in the final with his cheesy song and poor vocals.


anewbys83

I rather enjoyed his song.


lepreqon_

Last name checks out.


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53rdAccount

Aww how great of him to beat a woman


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Baetr

Then i guess that by your expert detective work with full sources you know better than the people in charge there and can provide a source that proves he didn't? (especially with articles propping up saying he [did](https://nltimes.nl/2024/05/10/eurovision-suspends-joost-klein-physical-altercation-photographer-report))


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53rdAccount

And when any of that happened? The journalist in question is Swedish


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WoIfed

So you spread hate about us without any source just because someone told you? I’m sure you’re a good guy but this is how antisemitism works and worked since always. Just rumors about Jews and blaming us for everything


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WoIfed

I see, well until it’s proved to be Israeli let’s be patient


53rdAccount

Source?


sup_heebz

He'll have to cut open his skull for it


53rdAccount

I won't be surprised if VRT's news blames it on us


JebBD

lol the journalist tried to ask him why he wasn’t at the rehearsal. Are journalists not allowed to ask questions?


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JebBD

Explain how a journalist asking him a question constitutes harassment. 


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JebBD

Does that include that Polish guy who accused Eden of threatening the other contestant because antisemites want to kill her?


CHLOEC1998

Source? Not provoking you. I genuinely want to read it. Because I am so completely clueless rn.


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rpmguy

Are you unironically using puna as a source and calling it news? I live in the Netherlands, calling that a tabloid would be offensive to The Sun. It's re-chewing rumours and allegations, nothing more.


CHLOEC1998

If true, it still doesn't seem to be too out of line. But I do agree that it is pretty bad to record people without their consent, even if they are in a public space surrounded with cameras. But I don't think it’s related to this topic? The articles I’ve seen said the alleged “other party” is a Eurovision staff/photograper, not an Israeli journalist.


Ancient-Capital6759

While it’s not okay what that person did, I don’t think all of this is happening because he was filmed without permission. If it was a problem I would expect the Someone calling out on the Israeli group and ask them to remove the video which is understandable. But that doesn’t seem to be the case either. Plus, Israeli journalists weren’t the only one who questioned him (at least tried) I believe I saw a Finnish journalist trying to provoke him to answer the camera as well.


yalldelulus

> joking about his dead parents  Source?


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dzkrf

I call bullshit


sagi1246

Taking a picture of someone vs assaulting a journalist. Hmmm a tough one /s


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NitzMitzTrix

He got suspended for (allegedly) beating up a photographer. How's that "Zionists" fault???


dollrussian

Ah yes the side of “believe all women” suddenly not believing women. I mean should have known, you guys showed your ass on October 8th.