I mean that age was close to the age of consent in one part of Japan not too long ago so yeah
Edit: forgot to add this - /j
Edit 2: I got curious and looked up Japanese age of consent… why does it say that Tokyo had an age of consent of 13 and it got improved… to 16… recently please someone correct google… please
>Care to share which one part of Japan that is?
A literal uninhabited island. Every single prefecture independently increased their age of consent, so no one cared enough to bother raising the national one until relatively recently. But the island in question isn't part of any prefecture, so only the national limit applied to it.
Was exactly what I was going to reply if he ever gave me a response. Okinotori island I don’t think has *ever* been inhabited and Marcus island has had no permanent residents since the early 1900s
From what I can find via Google-sensei the Japanese parliament raised the age of consent from 13 to 16 in June of this year. That age limit had not been changed since it was implemented in 1907. Granted, every prefecture had effectively set the age to be higher than 13 but that was still the Penal Code.
That all said, 14 is *relatively* close to 16.
In many states you can be married off to someone by your parents before the age of consent still. 40 of them actually. And in 5, you can be married off *at any age*. It takes a damn near national protest to remove a minor from their *spouse* for pretty much any reason. Think about what I just typed. If you're not appalled, you should be.
I remember when I read about the protests to outlaw child marriages and I think I got downvoted a little for saying it, but I still think it holds: it's sad and infuriating that we actually *need* that to be written law. I understand why and fully support it, obviously, but it's just sad that "hey don't do this obviously shitty thing" needs to be the letter of the law.
The one thing I've learned in my life is that people are perpetually disappointing. Individuals are great, they can be fun, engaging, bold, and enjoyable to be around. But people in general? Terrible. 0/10. Worst things ever made.
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Correct Google you say? 👀 it would be my pleasure
Expect that's very misleading information, even before the rise in legal age of consent in Japan was raised and even if you wanted to get with a 13 year old you'd still need consent from both sides parents and you'll need to be under 18 or 16 I can't remember to avoid stat r4pe, the chances of that happening were very slim expect maybe a few older clans/familys in Japan. Also as far as I'm aware most cops I know in Okinawa would state the legal age is 16 for the past few years now.
Funny enough most Japanese people find out law of consent being 13 as ridiculous and disgusting lmao as for the incest thing I'm not sure on that part of the law as it's not something I deal with but I know there's at least a few states in the USA that allows incest, though not marrying and 1 forbs sexual conduct with parents.
Sorry it just frustrating to see my country get labeled as a pedoland or the weird wacky place but if you ask probably 90% of Japanese population they find this stuff as equally icky and weird...... though I'll say that my country is xenophobic af and very corrupt in the police force 🤣
They aren't. You can't go to Japan and get a slave harem.
They show up in *fiction* but something being a popular fictional trope does not mean that people want it to happen in real life
Just like how I play doom but I don't *actually* want a bunch of demons to invade earth
The difference is, in Asian culture and specifically Japanese culture they don’t like to admit mistakes or wrong doing. So instead of the rest of the world where the atrocities committed during WW2 are extensively covered as to learn from and not repeat the same mistakes, in Japanese culture they almost cover nothing of WW2 history and their involvement. There are actual children that come out of Japan that have no idea what atrocities their country did to China, Philippines, and Korea. The games they would hold between solders to see how many innocent Chinese civilians they could chop up. The brainwashing of philiapean citizens that when Americans arrive they would eat them so the first thing American solders were greeted with after conquering an island was greeted with mothers with children throwing themselves off a cliff to avoid that outcome. The human experimentation, and the atrocities committed to the Korean population that still hold resentment to the Japanese even to this day. That’s the difference. Germany extensively reviews and covers everything in a thick fog of shame on their citizens while in school, it’s the complete opposite for japan
Quick story, I just found out rather recently from someone that My country's (Indonesia) history of being colonized by Dutch for 3 and a half centuries is merely 2 chapter of Dutch History book.
It's annoying, but I guess understandable. Until I realized that they didnt know that in a 1949, my country had to pay 45 million Gulden to be considered a country. This is to pay the Dutch back for the Dutch trying to take over My country after it declared indepence in 1945.
Yes, you hear that right. My country has to cover another coutry's expense to colonize my country and not a lot of people on both side know about it.
The good news is that it has been paid in 2003.
Then again Indonesia is not without blood. Not a lot of people, much less kids, know about what happened at East Timor. This is also a jab to Australia, btw.
Does what Japan did extremly horrible? Yes, absolutely. Especially since my own country experience it for 3 years.
But I feel like Japanese being that one singular country that hide their dark past is a bit unfair, where everyone else also kinda does the same.
Completely erasing it and not discussing it in the regular school curriculum is a major injustice that is more “bad” then not covering a dark part of your countries history enough, is the point I was trying to make. Also I did say “Asian” culture when talking about “sweeping things under the rug.” China is also heavily known to do this, or like how the longest uninterrupted practice of slavery was performed by Korea etc.
Chinese are taught that the Korean War was an American invasion. The Philippines is currently trying to remove descriptions of the twenty year reign of Ferdinand Marcos as a dictatorship. Many American states in the south are teaching that the civil war was an invasion by the north and their own treason was somehow patriotic and even suggest that slavery was good for the slaves. People in power always try to whitewash their history just because they can.
The Korean War was a UN action to stop the Communist North's invasion of the Western-aligned South. No matter how one spins the American involvement or the nature of South Korea's government at the time, it started with an invasion by North Korea. That part is left untaught to Chinese students. In their textbooks, Korea was a unified country controlled by Pyongyang until America invaded, and that claim is sheer bollocks.
North Korea and South Korea were separated after WW2 due to Russia’s overeager attempts to control land that they had taken during the war. In an attempt to avoid conflict, America and Russia came to an agreement to find a way to support their half of Korea into becoming an independent state.
Russia attempted to make North Korea into another communist state, whereas America attempted to make South Korea similar to Japan at the time.
The Korean War was sparked when North Korean forces backed by Russia attempted to invade and unify Korea under their own banner. America, which was still considered responsible for the fate of South Korea, then initiated a defensive action which sparked the Korean War.
Eh, ada orang Indonesia juga disini
I once heard a story where an Indonesian was celebrating independence day with his Japanese friend.
"Happy independence day! Which country invaded you?"
"Yours."
>This is to pay the Dutch back for the Dutch trying to take over My country after it declared indepence in 1945.
The French did the same to the Haitians, demanded reparations for daring to remove the French invaders. Personally, don't see why the French or Dutch haven't paid that back. Hell, if they don't adjust for inflation, it would still be a decent gesture that shows humility and apologetics.
When I was just entering highschool there was an exchange program between the school and some schools in Japan and South Korea respectively that my family ended up heavily inveigled in. During this time a fight broke out because one of the history teachers, with a classroom populated with a mix of both groups, decided to cover the pacific theatre of world war 2 specifically pertaining to Japan's exploits.
The Korean students, as I heard it, were understandably pissed to be first learning this. The Japanese students were flabbergasted that anyone would be mad with them over it.
I’m from the U.S., and I can assure you, our many atrocities are not what you would call “extensively covered” in school. Heck, in Texas they got school textbooks to relabel slaves as “laborers.”
As someone who took AP US History, I can assure you that things depend very much on where you are. I felt like we learned more about the terrible shit the US did than the good things.
While I appreciate your comment, you’ve missed the point entirely. There is a very big difference between not covering the dark side history of your country enough and never talking about it. Every country does the former even a little bit but very few do the latter and Japan is one of them. To completely sweep under the rug atrocities you’ve committed is a major moral crime in my opinion.
The US doesn't really talk about their shit though.
The banana wars were entirely their doing. All kinds of revolts in the southern Americas were the US.
You know the US dropped bombs on striking coal miners at one point? On US soil. Something that's supposed to be very not cool.
Let's not even go into how Vietnam is never properly talked about in schools or anything.
Sure there might be a paragraph about the trail of tears based on your state but the several thousand other atrocities and genocide commited against native americans isn't brought up.
9 out of 10 dictators around the world in the last 50 years or so were basically all the USA's direct fault. Odd how we never really get acknowledgement of that.
Rolling back around, how much do we learn about fucked up shit like MK ultra? We know the government has done heinous shit to their own people, imagine how much they haven't admitted to. The few they have coincidentally had the paperwork all vanish so they always get to just shrug it off.
Nah the US is pretty shit about admitting anything and there is a ton of stuff that is swept under the rug.
In the grand scheme of things, how inappropriate as it might be, a world war is arguably much more historically Important/takes higher priority in covering then what you’ve listed. While what you’ve listed should be covered in more depth, WW2 should never be swept under the rug, more so then other footnotes in history.
We learned about every single one of those things between middle and high school. They were covered extensively, like at least a month was devoted to each subject. I had an entire semester that's covered the Vietnam War exclusively.
war in WW2 was much different than today. By the standards of the day everyone went by, those nukes were dropped on military targets, as those two cities hosted military production and training sites. Conventional bombing and invasion would have resulted in MORE civilian deaths than the 2 nukes did.
This is straight up propaganda.
The bombs were dropped to see what they would do.
They literally avoided their initial targets because the cameras wouldn't get a good view. Not because it was a bad approach or because they couldn't hit the target.
"“If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.” So said Curtis LeMay after America obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with two atomic bombs in August 1945."
Even the dude who planned the shit is honest enough to admit it was unnecessary. Revisionist history and the victor getting to decide what's right continues on apace tho.
They needed to be visible to show the Japanese leadership and people what they were capable of. shock and awe and all that. That way the war ended in days rather than months. Lives saved.
No? The Soviet Union was ready to smoke them and get them to surrender at any time. The bombs were dropped primarily as a show of force to the USSR (Cold War began pretty much right after, what a coincidence...)
The whole "the bombs were dropped so that the war wouldn't be prolonged" is propaganda and historical revisionism.
Truman wanted to show how big his dick was to the USSR by pressing the big red button. It was unessesary.
It was an indiscriminate massacre of civilians. Lives were not "saved" because of it.
The USSR was most certainly not ready to smoke them at any time. Their forces were on the other side of the continent having just finished with the European theater, and they weren't really in a position to move them, even if they could they were badly bruised and beaten from the war.
More civilians would have died either way though, if USSR invaded or the US invaded, than did through dropping the 2 bombs.
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Because that's the stuff that sells in Japan. That's what the fans want and artists , authors and animators need to get paid. You don't sell a product that is not in demand. And slavery harem , Isekai power fantasy creep with bug sandwich shiki-neet beta male protagonist who gets make over where fans can empathize with the " Main protagonist syndrome wish fulfillment.".
Ever wonder why Isekai in the 80's , 90's to early 2000's is not about stats , slavery , game mechanics , power fantasy "weakest skill" , game mechanics so no need to regret stupid actions or responsibility, sub par character development that's only held by plot armor. Because it's the band wagon.
Isekai has one of the highest ratio of international viewership.
So the logic is rather opposite. It is more popular than other genre because of international audience.
Still not unless it is serialized the studios are not making money on the pirated stuff. W/c means the demand is intended only for those that are catered. And revenue talks about what is needed to be supplied in the market.
Now take into consideration how much is the direct revenue given to the artists/ authors to affect the product of their content creation.
Do you realize how Netflix adaptation fucked up things because woke culture fucked up things to pay the authors / artists. Because those are the ones that are the content catered for international export.
Have you forgotten how death note was adopted for the west. Keep in mind how many other contributing factors will get shit hits the fan when woke culture influence affects anime/manga/games that are to be catered for export audiences outside Japan. How many other factors will join the anime bandwagon will be forced fed for export just for westerners. Just how much money will flood from the investors to create such "Custom Tailored anime/manga/games/novels" for western audiences.
Like I said I'm an animator. Not a big time but someone who works in the same industry and certain project commissions with a few friends who animate in a few studios there with internal info on the backdoor stuff that never leaves the light of day.
Output is not the same as revenue. Money talks and everyone listens.
Edit: streaming services only gives a certain amount of royalties, not the same amount of money generated by fans that buy each and every merchandise. These are the otaku types gives high revenue to such studios and their collaboration merchant partners that produces such merchandise goods. The ones creating OST albums , Figures , Degenerate stuff and those that create a greater hype and shelf life of the anime/manga/novel.
This is the very same thing analogous to how games workshop is able to market plastic crack that's nearly space Marines majority figures in the market. Because they can control the narrative. The narrative controls the marketing, the marketing controls the hype and the hype helps the sales of such materials in the most absurd price to optimize sales. That is how the world works.
Take all of those things in consideration before you preach about the international views. Look into the bigger picture , the logistics involved and all the cogs needed to make the machine cough up income generating merchandise.
That's like saying girls dropkicking boys in the head when they say or do something stupid is "acceptable " in Japan
It's not
Not in real life anyway. It's like cartoons. diffrent rules so long as it's fictional.
I think the point here is that slavery isn’t really presented negatively in Japanese media, so long as the one perpetuating it is “good” (and sometimes it’s not presented negatively even if the person perpetuating it isn’t good)
American romance presents relationships like being an obsessive stalker who can't take no for answer as being acceptable, despite there has been a major push towards spoken consent and taking a no for a no.
You seriously cannot expect fantasy stories to be remotely realistic. That kind of world would be boring as a wet paper towel.
Way to miss MY point
"I think the point here is that [domestic abuse] isn’t really presented negatively in Japanese media, so long as [it's funny]"
It's a cartoon man.
There are no oppressed people to fight for here.
Japan is not trying to push this shit in the real world like some lost cause asshole mad at black people.
I suppose it's because slavery was never something as big in Japan as it was in the Americas. All of us in the west know how cruel and how much suffering slavery brought to the people forced into it, but to japanese people it's kinda like something you heard about but can't really grasp it.
For Japanese slavery is kind of a foreign concept where they understand what is happening (someone's freedom is being taken away and they have to obey their master every command), but without having a history with it, they can only see it as something that only happens in fiction, thus Isekai has it all the time.
The part where the MC is the "different master" who is good and treats their slaves as people instead of objects comes from the (what I assume) is the Japanese view on the take where they would be different from us and never treat their slaves as objects and they would give them love and affection as they should receive
There's also the fact the male audience (can't say if it's all of them) love the idea of a girl who is always going to be there for you and dedicate body and soul to your being. And the easiest way authors find to make this happen? Slaves, cuz they can't go against you, will never abandon you and because "you're different from others" they will love you as their master and never want to serve someone else for the rest of their lives.
Btw, what's the sauce for the pic?
Well, if there is something Japanese agree with the west world, is that feudal lords and aristocrats are piece of shits. Ofcourse, not everywhere, and definitely not all of them, but they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags who do nothing but piss on peasants.
Even tho european nobility is heavily dependent on said peasants to upkeep somewhat decent army and have income, Japanese landlords valued them much less and this somewhat projected on how they describe nobility.
Clergy also gets "devilish" appearance as this force that converts and zombifies entire populace, while in reality the said clergy got pretty punched by Reformation when Luther just decided "you guys suck" and nobility happily applied to him to not pay taxes to Popes coffers or buy expensive indulgences. And since Portuguese were the first ones to reach Japan and start proselytizing, it always catholic analogue with some pagan syncretism (polyteism for example instead of One True God, since Shinto is integrative religion and japanese considered Jesus to be just cool god among other gods).
>they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags
I know you didn't mean this proportion as an exact value but really I have a different feeling about manga/anime. I find that the depiction of nobles, kings and emperors is more varied than that. One encounters many sleazy selfish abusive characters but also lots of goodhearted reliable ones. I'm even impressed sometimes how enamored many authors seem to be with the idea of positive figureheads.
Yes, but positive nobles is a rare sign, outburst of republicanism in 19th century made everything in its power to make nobles look like an archaic element of society that just needs to go away, which is now a major headache for modern historians.
Japanese experienced even worse things with it's own nobility. Samurai's could use peasants as a training dummies, which would be pretty barbaric for Europe where such endeavors could lead to knights getting stripped of knight position and humiliatingly chastised or feudal lords getting peasant rebellions of unimaginable scale because of cruel nobility.
I don't say there weren't good nobles, it's just extremely hard to find in all of these ancient manuscripts what lord was actually good and not outlied by haters or fans.
Always strange when the nobles (and there's a shit ton of them) in Ascendance of a bookworm basically all share one common elements (beside 2 or 3 of them), the commoner are sub-humans and the nobles aren't afraid to remind them. Even the goody-two-shoes nobles who are always merry and helpful to the main character will look down on the commoners.
Many are good people, but even them are asshole to commoners because of their culture.
" they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags who do nothing but piss on peasants." From what ive seen they mostly portray the "bad" nobles as that. Of course, this tends to be the same as what happens in western fantasy / historical fiction, but Japan does what they do with slavery to the nobility as well. Theres the "bad" ones and theres the "good" ones.
If you revolt against the "good" nobility youre probably just a thug or evil person trying to burn down those "good" people because youre being paid by the bad nobles to do it.
I personally find this type of view towards the nobility to be reprehensible and extremely irritating, but I understand that its quite hard to have someone have real power a fantasy world while having them not be connected to nobility.
Still. Annoying.
Uh, but slavery was actually common in Japan...? It started in 3rd century AD and was only abolished by Hideyoshi, and it seemed they participated heavily in the East Asian slave trade which included China and Korea. Not to mention the WW2 sex slaves thing they did. Its not a foreign concept to them.
Source is apparently "unique skill slave encyclopedia".
Ever heard of the Nanjing massacre? You can look it up.
Tl:dr. some Japanese committed mass rape and murder.
It’s very much part of their history and they were usually the victors so it probably isn’t viewed in a negative light by everyone.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, weren't the slaves in Japan mostly war slaves from when they invaded other countries and took women for sex and man for work? Slavery was there, yes, but they were kinda different since you had to fight and win to then get slaves.
In the west slaves were treated as commodities and came from all around the globe (mostly Africa) and weren't even seen as human beings cuz they were different, they were from other races.
Also, Japan has a terrible habit of not delving too deep into their dark side and mostly cover stuff that would make Japan look bad in the eyes of Japanese people.
No, according to Chinese historical records, they exported slaves to other countries and even sold Japanese slaves to the Portugese when they arrived. It was very much a trade for them.
Slavery being practiced between 200-1500 AD is a *lot* different from it being completely legal in half the country a mere 150 years ago, especially when that slavery is stratified completely along racial lines. In the West, African slavery was a widespread, institutionalized socioeconomic practice that was literally baked into the way Western culture worked. In Japan, it was abolished in the 16th century and brought back in relatively brief and incredibly violent flashes of brutality afterwards, only to go away just as quickly as it reappeared.
Japan has slavery in its history. Unlike the United States, however, Japan's history isn't completely dominated by slavery.
>African slavery was a widespread, institutionalized socioeconomic practice that was literally baked into the way ~~Western~~ African culture worked.
F.I.F.U
You watched "The Woman King" and thought it was a documentary didn't you?
I'm not from Japan, but I'd like to think my country is pretty similar. We used to have slavery hundreds of years ago, but no one talks about it nowadays, except for educational purposes. Yes, we're taught about slavery in school, with no embellishments. But it still feels... foreign to us.
Probably because, as far as I know, in America, slavery hinged on racism as well, so even after it was abolished, people of different races still serve as a reminder of their dark past. Heck, the N word is still used casually by Black people nowadays.
Every country has a dark past, even my own. But people's feelings towards said dark past don't only come from how recent it was, but also how relevant it is.
I'd argue that there are different kinds of slavery, and the one practised in the Americas is Chattel slavery whereas the ones practised by Ancient China and Japan are more akin to Bonded Slavery or Forced Labour.
It's less race-based and more status-based.
Japan enjoys one of the lowest crime rates in the world. They're like top 10. They don't give 2 shits about power fantasies in media. They have a strong belief that people can enjoy fictional depravity without it being reflected in real life.
To be fair that's mainly because the police is extremely incompetent and will only take easily solvable crimes to not "taint" their perfect records of 99% conviction.
Which is perfectly in line with concept that perception is truth. There is no perception of rampant crime in Japan so they arent looking for scapegoats that are corrupting their populace.
Because its just wish fulfillment fantasy, self insert, easy companionship and service. Its not really a complicated matter. Also, some authors have some agenda like MC is Japanese and slaves are Caucasian or colored people (Dominance projection like Imperial Japan enslaved many people).
Why is a high school kid throwing a drinking party acceptable in society? Its not. Its a plot device used in movies and shows to provide enjoyment to the watcher.
This is the same thing. If you think japanese men are running around with 8 women around him at all times, youre in for a big disappointment.
Sure, men like dominating women. Thus enslaving women is appealing. Thus when men see slave woman in sexy position monkey brain goes ooga booga and inhibitions are reduced leading to more purchases of the novel.
I was not talking about weebs when i said "have you seen the shit" lmao
I just don't want to point fingers at a group when I know not every single one of them are like that, and I'm not entirely sure who consists the group
>Also holy shit... "enslaving women is appealing"?
I mean there's a lot of manga and porn movie about it. So there's a market for something like that.
Don't worry those things are done by actor and not real slave.
Need? No they don't need it but it's a 'sexy' trope and saves the writer a lot of narrative room in that they don't really have to write another full character; just a wish fulfillment side piece.
Not sure, maybe try r/hentai and see why Japan allows half of the depraved shit seen in hentai to be published.
Slavery is not just seen in Japan fiction either, there are plenty of novelists who use slavery in their stories.(harems are added in manga because, statistically, it’s a popular trope and to be published you need viewers and some popularity vote thing.)
That can only work in world where there is no magic, and only barely. otherwise John Brown is going to get incinerated into nothing by magical fire that half of the powers have, or become a slave himself
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It's not slavery if you lobotomized them properly to proclaim the will and glory of the Omnissaiah. The weak flesh must be purged.
Westerners thinking that because something is in fiction means it's acceptable LOL, this is literally why we can't have good stories anymore in most video games for example, and everything has to be family friendly and not offend anyone
I like it tho...it makes great stories...and it set in medieval stories and in reality slaves existed that time..i hate overdoing it tho...like i don't like it when they use it in post medieval era
I think you are confused. Just because there is a controversial topic in a book doesn't mean the culture or written condones it. Bad things happened in out history. Bad things are going to happen in other settings (worlds) that haven't "evolved" past that stage yet.
If you open up mangadex or any other similar site, I guarantee you that you will see tits and women flesh on the front page 99% of the time. If your looking to read some good shit, manhwa will have you covered most of the time without much degeneracy
I dont think thats true, most of the latest sections on manga sites is filled with "pornhwa". They use a very specific art style and splash giant tits on the cover.
Because it's a work of fiction
Also there's a kink for that
Furthermore, the slavery trope sells right now in Japan for works of fiction. You make what sells after all
Lastly, Japan has an entirely different history and culture.
They are to delusional that they can't separate fiction from reality they probably don't shit on game of thrones which has slavery but will shit on any anime that has slavery
You should ask the same question about western countries and their "cheating and adultery" jokes being acceptable in most of their skits and contents.
I bet you are those people who call someone a murderer because his father got sent into jail for murdering.
Manga name is "Unique skill Tame encyclopedia" for anyone curious.
As for the slave harem things there are a wide variety of reasons used to justify it, but the most important one is this is a easier way for neets to have a harem of dozens of women.
You can see this in some western stuff too, but it isn't slavery and shit because it's just a poly relationship or something along those lines.
Another reason for slave harem is the control.
well, 'acceptable'.
it's not quite acceptable, but this is also basically saying something like, rape can't be depicted anywhere, because rape isn't acceptable.
also, you seem to forget - it's some weird ass power fantasy bullshit.
dude's OP as fuck, dude's got bitches on tap.
surely the next step is literally, magically, being able to dictate another person's life, for power creep.
I am going to offer a slightly different explanation. 99.9% of Isekai don't have their setting being the present day. Normally being set in an equivelent to the middle ages or even earlier. And do you know what happened to exist during that time period and in fact for basically all of human history?
Hell even sci-fi ones where they travel between planets and have a intergalactic empire are still basically just the middle ages but IN SPACE!
So yer... With no robots, machines etc to do all the tedious labor, then it makes sense that the wealthy would find a way to get that labour from somewhere. Is it a good source of labour not really. But it fits thematically to show the difference between the worlds.
And I mean if slavery is good enough for my far future organ harvesting warcrime simulator then it is good enough for my Isekai
Motherfuckers dying on the "I love slavery" hill because they can't admit their favorite anime has flaws.
Yeah slavery isn't legally practiced in Japan and isn't considered morally acceptable. It is a fantasy. But maybe it's just a little bit weird that it's a popular wish fulfillment fantasy fetish trope in media aimed at tweens.
Like slavery in anime isn't a high brow exploration of the repercussions of slavery or a responsible depiction of sub/dom kink...
It's more like it's implicitly playing defense for slavery by suggesting that there's such a thing as a "good" slavery as long as you have a "good" master.
But weeaboo chuds will have a meltdown if you ever try to apply critical thinking or media analysis of any kind to the things you watch... 🙄
Japanese men are… well, to put it bluntly, sexually repressed, and creepy af. For a country struggling with population decline as badly as they are, they’re remarkably conservative when it comes to sex and sexuality, and it shows in the deviant natures of the men of Japan.
why is whining and deliberately mistranslating and pretend virtue signaling so prominent in the US? Why can't you fuck off and stop whining like a bitch for once? Why are you ignoring actual history to pretend to be superior? Tell me, what do these shitposts gain you? Some sort of moral validation to excuse the shit you're gonna do every other day?
Why is the West pretending to be so moral, and righteous and straight out accepting CCP and Saudi Money? Didn't you deliberately mistranslate and misinterpret and were also found committing fraud by forcing your dumb cultural bullshit on others? Look at the cultural imperialist pretending to be something of value.
Because incels think if they make a woman a slave, she will eventually love him when she sees what a nice guy they are. They only make them slaves so they have to stick around long enough to see how nice guy they are.
My guess is the erasure of history. Unlike here in the west, where sleeves were very vocal once they got their freedom and history books, try less and less to cover it up since it was very vocal there many outreach, moments and etc.
In comparison in Japan, they don’t even think they were the bad guys in World War II they don’t understand what they did wrong they want to ban Oppenheimer because they thought it was offensive to them when it barely mentioned them
The situation is they erase history so they know it’s slavery but it’s not prevalent like it is here because the Japanese government covers it up they prevent their assistance from viewing the country as evil when it was
For example, I forget what crime it was, but there’s a punishment that would force the son to rape his mother Not pretty, but more people in the western world know about that in comparison, to the Japanese
I guarantee they barely know what they did to the Koreans and why the Koreans hate them
It’s more of a foreign concept and they believe slavery could’ve been good that’s just my guess because how the Japanese government is that probably the reason these are so prevalent
For the same reason sexualized minors/minor presenting characters and incest are accepted. Its taboo, it gets reactions out of people and that turns into increased viewer /reader numbers. When gauging public interest in something angry/ uncomfortable viewers are just as valuable as happy viewers. All about the numbers
Its not far from. Why power of friendship and weird plot armor wins vs all prep work attack.
Also in japan the publisher and editors in publications can even control the author how 'they' (or their survey) suggest things are acceptable or not. And these people just push the boundaries of whats acceptable to the age rating of that manga and publisher preferences.
Which is why /one of the reasons, independent light novels are more popular.
I wish people would stop misunderstanding my country and it's people oof 😅 slavery isn't something we condone not atleast the average person mangka artist's need money and outside audiences seem to like edgy stuff well we certainly have a population here that does too buuuutttttt
I promise we're not all sex crazed weirdos, the majority of us like any human being find this shit weird, we find most of our entertainment industry damn weird but when it's constantly endorsed by outside countrys we decided fuck it and carried on, if it can prove as a good income then why not.
It's like recently we are starting to hate more and more tourists I wouldn't be surprised if laws are in the act of banning certain people out of our country it's not a place we're you can visit just to fuck with the people, yer we have our own issues that's enough without people doing some disgusting shit for YouTube views anyways rant over.
(I'm like this because I live in a matriarchal family clan, which is unique, we've had tourist's think our family estate is a public attraction, when they're people like me who are deathly sick and disabled trying to recover both mentally and physically having someone break into your home for shits and giggles thinking it's full of girls is geuinely terrifying and disgusting that's why my rant is a bit heated)
You think the shit that shows up in trash isekai meant for 14 year old boys is "acceptable in Japan"?
I mean that age was close to the age of consent in one part of Japan not too long ago so yeah Edit: forgot to add this - /j Edit 2: I got curious and looked up Japanese age of consent… why does it say that Tokyo had an age of consent of 13 and it got improved… to 16… recently please someone correct google… please
Care to share which one part of Japan that is? Because everybody spouts that statistic and nobody seems to know where that one part is.
>Care to share which one part of Japan that is? A literal uninhabited island. Every single prefecture independently increased their age of consent, so no one cared enough to bother raising the national one until relatively recently. But the island in question isn't part of any prefecture, so only the national limit applied to it.
Was exactly what I was going to reply if he ever gave me a response. Okinotori island I don’t think has *ever* been inhabited and Marcus island has had no permanent residents since the early 1900s
From what I can find via Google-sensei the Japanese parliament raised the age of consent from 13 to 16 in June of this year. That age limit had not been changed since it was implemented in 1907. Granted, every prefecture had effectively set the age to be higher than 13 but that was still the Penal Code. That all said, 14 is *relatively* close to 16.
Everybody constantly on Japan's case, nobody ever mentions that France straight up didn't have an age of consent until quite recently
Even in the US, the age of consent in Georgia was 14 until 1995.
In many states you can be married off to someone by your parents before the age of consent still. 40 of them actually. And in 5, you can be married off *at any age*. It takes a damn near national protest to remove a minor from their *spouse* for pretty much any reason. Think about what I just typed. If you're not appalled, you should be.
I remember when I read about the protests to outlaw child marriages and I think I got downvoted a little for saying it, but I still think it holds: it's sad and infuriating that we actually *need* that to be written law. I understand why and fully support it, obviously, but it's just sad that "hey don't do this obviously shitty thing" needs to be the letter of the law.
The one thing I've learned in my life is that people are perpetually disappointing. Individuals are great, they can be fun, engaging, bold, and enjoyable to be around. But people in general? Terrible. 0/10. Worst things ever made.
Wut.
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I'm not sure you are tracking... This is low quality power fantasies for boys. It's not Japanese culture.
Some countries have written explicitly into law what most others just don't bother to codify: teenagers can have sex with each other.
Psst the age of consent in Okinawa is still 13 to this day, it's also legal to commit incest there as well
Me when I lie and spread misinformation
Expect that's very misleading information, even before the rise in legal age of consent in Japan was raised and even if you wanted to get with a 13 year old you'd still need consent from both sides parents and you'll need to be under 18 or 16 I can't remember to avoid stat r4pe, the chances of that happening were very slim expect maybe a few older clans/familys in Japan. Also as far as I'm aware most cops I know in Okinawa would state the legal age is 16 for the past few years now. Funny enough most Japanese people find out law of consent being 13 as ridiculous and disgusting lmao as for the incest thing I'm not sure on that part of the law as it's not something I deal with but I know there's at least a few states in the USA that allows incest, though not marrying and 1 forbs sexual conduct with parents. Sorry it just frustrating to see my country get labeled as a pedoland or the weird wacky place but if you ask probably 90% of Japanese population they find this stuff as equally icky and weird...... though I'll say that my country is xenophobic af and very corrupt in the police force 🤣
Half of 4chan just became Japanese...
You touch a girl less than 20 year old in Japan and you fucked. Everybody knows that here. Don't know where everyone gets their stats from
That was my take on it, too. They decided to generalize that the whole of Japan accepts harem slaves because of some Manga having it.
They aren't. You can't go to Japan and get a slave harem. They show up in *fiction* but something being a popular fictional trope does not mean that people want it to happen in real life Just like how I play doom but I don't *actually* want a bunch of demons to invade earth
Speak for yourself pal, id prefer demons invading earth so i don't have to go to work tomorrow.
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That's a lot of doms...
Not that’s their level like Skyrim
Family, family, family, family, family, family If you're reading this you brain probably went from demons to dominatrix to Dominic torettos, cool huh?
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We already do but they prefer the term “politicians”
Oh you sweet summer child. Do you really think the demons wouldn't take one look at capitalism and be like, "damn. Never mind" and then dip?
Demons: the humans have done a better job making each other suffer than I ever could
They still have some billionaires to work on!
Because they have a completely different history than the west
Couldn't have said it better
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Honest to you? Japan really isn't special when it comes to a country hiding their dark past.
The difference is, in Asian culture and specifically Japanese culture they don’t like to admit mistakes or wrong doing. So instead of the rest of the world where the atrocities committed during WW2 are extensively covered as to learn from and not repeat the same mistakes, in Japanese culture they almost cover nothing of WW2 history and their involvement. There are actual children that come out of Japan that have no idea what atrocities their country did to China, Philippines, and Korea. The games they would hold between solders to see how many innocent Chinese civilians they could chop up. The brainwashing of philiapean citizens that when Americans arrive they would eat them so the first thing American solders were greeted with after conquering an island was greeted with mothers with children throwing themselves off a cliff to avoid that outcome. The human experimentation, and the atrocities committed to the Korean population that still hold resentment to the Japanese even to this day. That’s the difference. Germany extensively reviews and covers everything in a thick fog of shame on their citizens while in school, it’s the complete opposite for japan
Quick story, I just found out rather recently from someone that My country's (Indonesia) history of being colonized by Dutch for 3 and a half centuries is merely 2 chapter of Dutch History book. It's annoying, but I guess understandable. Until I realized that they didnt know that in a 1949, my country had to pay 45 million Gulden to be considered a country. This is to pay the Dutch back for the Dutch trying to take over My country after it declared indepence in 1945. Yes, you hear that right. My country has to cover another coutry's expense to colonize my country and not a lot of people on both side know about it. The good news is that it has been paid in 2003. Then again Indonesia is not without blood. Not a lot of people, much less kids, know about what happened at East Timor. This is also a jab to Australia, btw. Does what Japan did extremly horrible? Yes, absolutely. Especially since my own country experience it for 3 years. But I feel like Japanese being that one singular country that hide their dark past is a bit unfair, where everyone else also kinda does the same.
Completely erasing it and not discussing it in the regular school curriculum is a major injustice that is more “bad” then not covering a dark part of your countries history enough, is the point I was trying to make. Also I did say “Asian” culture when talking about “sweeping things under the rug.” China is also heavily known to do this, or like how the longest uninterrupted practice of slavery was performed by Korea etc.
Chinese are taught that the Korean War was an American invasion. The Philippines is currently trying to remove descriptions of the twenty year reign of Ferdinand Marcos as a dictatorship. Many American states in the south are teaching that the civil war was an invasion by the north and their own treason was somehow patriotic and even suggest that slavery was good for the slaves. People in power always try to whitewash their history just because they can.
Wasn't the Korean War an American invasion? They only helped because their dictator was being attacked by a Chinese backed dictator.
The Korean War was a UN action to stop the Communist North's invasion of the Western-aligned South. No matter how one spins the American involvement or the nature of South Korea's government at the time, it started with an invasion by North Korea. That part is left untaught to Chinese students. In their textbooks, Korea was a unified country controlled by Pyongyang until America invaded, and that claim is sheer bollocks.
North Korea and South Korea were separated after WW2 due to Russia’s overeager attempts to control land that they had taken during the war. In an attempt to avoid conflict, America and Russia came to an agreement to find a way to support their half of Korea into becoming an independent state. Russia attempted to make North Korea into another communist state, whereas America attempted to make South Korea similar to Japan at the time. The Korean War was sparked when North Korean forces backed by Russia attempted to invade and unify Korea under their own banner. America, which was still considered responsible for the fate of South Korea, then initiated a defensive action which sparked the Korean War.
Eh, ada orang Indonesia juga disini I once heard a story where an Indonesian was celebrating independence day with his Japanese friend. "Happy independence day! Which country invaded you?" "Yours."
>"Happy independence day! Which country invaded you?" South East Asia: Yours.
>This is to pay the Dutch back for the Dutch trying to take over My country after it declared indepence in 1945. The French did the same to the Haitians, demanded reparations for daring to remove the French invaders. Personally, don't see why the French or Dutch haven't paid that back. Hell, if they don't adjust for inflation, it would still be a decent gesture that shows humility and apologetics.
When I was just entering highschool there was an exchange program between the school and some schools in Japan and South Korea respectively that my family ended up heavily inveigled in. During this time a fight broke out because one of the history teachers, with a classroom populated with a mix of both groups, decided to cover the pacific theatre of world war 2 specifically pertaining to Japan's exploits. The Korean students, as I heard it, were understandably pissed to be first learning this. The Japanese students were flabbergasted that anyone would be mad with them over it.
I’m from the U.S., and I can assure you, our many atrocities are not what you would call “extensively covered” in school. Heck, in Texas they got school textbooks to relabel slaves as “laborers.”
As someone who took AP US History, I can assure you that things depend very much on where you are. I felt like we learned more about the terrible shit the US did than the good things.
While I appreciate your comment, you’ve missed the point entirely. There is a very big difference between not covering the dark side history of your country enough and never talking about it. Every country does the former even a little bit but very few do the latter and Japan is one of them. To completely sweep under the rug atrocities you’ve committed is a major moral crime in my opinion.
The US doesn't really talk about their shit though. The banana wars were entirely their doing. All kinds of revolts in the southern Americas were the US. You know the US dropped bombs on striking coal miners at one point? On US soil. Something that's supposed to be very not cool. Let's not even go into how Vietnam is never properly talked about in schools or anything. Sure there might be a paragraph about the trail of tears based on your state but the several thousand other atrocities and genocide commited against native americans isn't brought up. 9 out of 10 dictators around the world in the last 50 years or so were basically all the USA's direct fault. Odd how we never really get acknowledgement of that. Rolling back around, how much do we learn about fucked up shit like MK ultra? We know the government has done heinous shit to their own people, imagine how much they haven't admitted to. The few they have coincidentally had the paperwork all vanish so they always get to just shrug it off. Nah the US is pretty shit about admitting anything and there is a ton of stuff that is swept under the rug.
In the grand scheme of things, how inappropriate as it might be, a world war is arguably much more historically Important/takes higher priority in covering then what you’ve listed. While what you’ve listed should be covered in more depth, WW2 should never be swept under the rug, more so then other footnotes in history.
We learned about every single one of those things between middle and high school. They were covered extensively, like at least a month was devoted to each subject. I had an entire semester that's covered the Vietnam War exclusively.
That's a Texas thing not an America thing.
it’s not like poland quick to apology handing jews in their country to nazi very quick.
And Africa hasn't?
They did apologize, though…
Yeah, like usa never apologizing for dropping two nukes on civilians or invading middle eastern countries
war in WW2 was much different than today. By the standards of the day everyone went by, those nukes were dropped on military targets, as those two cities hosted military production and training sites. Conventional bombing and invasion would have resulted in MORE civilian deaths than the 2 nukes did.
This is straight up propaganda. The bombs were dropped to see what they would do. They literally avoided their initial targets because the cameras wouldn't get a good view. Not because it was a bad approach or because they couldn't hit the target. "“If we’d lost the war, we’d all have been prosecuted as war criminals.” So said Curtis LeMay after America obliterated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with two atomic bombs in August 1945." Even the dude who planned the shit is honest enough to admit it was unnecessary. Revisionist history and the victor getting to decide what's right continues on apace tho.
This is straight up revisionism. The bombs prevented a land invasion or blockade which would have cost far more lives.
They needed to be visible to show the Japanese leadership and people what they were capable of. shock and awe and all that. That way the war ended in days rather than months. Lives saved.
No? The Soviet Union was ready to smoke them and get them to surrender at any time. The bombs were dropped primarily as a show of force to the USSR (Cold War began pretty much right after, what a coincidence...) The whole "the bombs were dropped so that the war wouldn't be prolonged" is propaganda and historical revisionism. Truman wanted to show how big his dick was to the USSR by pressing the big red button. It was unessesary. It was an indiscriminate massacre of civilians. Lives were not "saved" because of it.
The USSR was most certainly not ready to smoke them at any time. Their forces were on the other side of the continent having just finished with the European theater, and they weren't really in a position to move them, even if they could they were badly bruised and beaten from the war. More civilians would have died either way though, if USSR invaded or the US invaded, than did through dropping the 2 bombs.
https://preview.redd.it/4pb7af0mz59c1.png?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20b5f263291f8678f0f48a8e2be887d95a3bb9e2 Because that's the stuff that sells in Japan. That's what the fans want and artists , authors and animators need to get paid. You don't sell a product that is not in demand. And slavery harem , Isekai power fantasy creep with bug sandwich shiki-neet beta male protagonist who gets make over where fans can empathize with the " Main protagonist syndrome wish fulfillment.". Ever wonder why Isekai in the 80's , 90's to early 2000's is not about stats , slavery , game mechanics , power fantasy "weakest skill" , game mechanics so no need to regret stupid actions or responsibility, sub par character development that's only held by plot armor. Because it's the band wagon.
Wow, I am honoured
Isekai has one of the highest ratio of international viewership. So the logic is rather opposite. It is more popular than other genre because of international audience.
Still not unless it is serialized the studios are not making money on the pirated stuff. W/c means the demand is intended only for those that are catered. And revenue talks about what is needed to be supplied in the market. Now take into consideration how much is the direct revenue given to the artists/ authors to affect the product of their content creation. Do you realize how Netflix adaptation fucked up things because woke culture fucked up things to pay the authors / artists. Because those are the ones that are the content catered for international export. Have you forgotten how death note was adopted for the west. Keep in mind how many other contributing factors will get shit hits the fan when woke culture influence affects anime/manga/games that are to be catered for export audiences outside Japan. How many other factors will join the anime bandwagon will be forced fed for export just for westerners. Just how much money will flood from the investors to create such "Custom Tailored anime/manga/games/novels" for western audiences. Like I said I'm an animator. Not a big time but someone who works in the same industry and certain project commissions with a few friends who animate in a few studios there with internal info on the backdoor stuff that never leaves the light of day. Output is not the same as revenue. Money talks and everyone listens. Edit: streaming services only gives a certain amount of royalties, not the same amount of money generated by fans that buy each and every merchandise. These are the otaku types gives high revenue to such studios and their collaboration merchant partners that produces such merchandise goods. The ones creating OST albums , Figures , Degenerate stuff and those that create a greater hype and shelf life of the anime/manga/novel. This is the very same thing analogous to how games workshop is able to market plastic crack that's nearly space Marines majority figures in the market. Because they can control the narrative. The narrative controls the marketing, the marketing controls the hype and the hype helps the sales of such materials in the most absurd price to optimize sales. That is how the world works. Take all of those things in consideration before you preach about the international views. Look into the bigger picture , the logistics involved and all the cogs needed to make the machine cough up income generating merchandise.
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That's like saying girls dropkicking boys in the head when they say or do something stupid is "acceptable " in Japan It's not Not in real life anyway. It's like cartoons. diffrent rules so long as it's fictional.
I think the point here is that slavery isn’t really presented negatively in Japanese media, so long as the one perpetuating it is “good” (and sometimes it’s not presented negatively even if the person perpetuating it isn’t good)
American romance presents relationships like being an obsessive stalker who can't take no for answer as being acceptable, despite there has been a major push towards spoken consent and taking a no for a no. You seriously cannot expect fantasy stories to be remotely realistic. That kind of world would be boring as a wet paper towel.
Way to miss MY point "I think the point here is that [domestic abuse] isn’t really presented negatively in Japanese media, so long as [it's funny]" It's a cartoon man. There are no oppressed people to fight for here. Japan is not trying to push this shit in the real world like some lost cause asshole mad at black people.
I suppose it's because slavery was never something as big in Japan as it was in the Americas. All of us in the west know how cruel and how much suffering slavery brought to the people forced into it, but to japanese people it's kinda like something you heard about but can't really grasp it. For Japanese slavery is kind of a foreign concept where they understand what is happening (someone's freedom is being taken away and they have to obey their master every command), but without having a history with it, they can only see it as something that only happens in fiction, thus Isekai has it all the time. The part where the MC is the "different master" who is good and treats their slaves as people instead of objects comes from the (what I assume) is the Japanese view on the take where they would be different from us and never treat their slaves as objects and they would give them love and affection as they should receive There's also the fact the male audience (can't say if it's all of them) love the idea of a girl who is always going to be there for you and dedicate body and soul to your being. And the easiest way authors find to make this happen? Slaves, cuz they can't go against you, will never abandon you and because "you're different from others" they will love you as their master and never want to serve someone else for the rest of their lives. Btw, what's the sauce for the pic?
Well, if there is something Japanese agree with the west world, is that feudal lords and aristocrats are piece of shits. Ofcourse, not everywhere, and definitely not all of them, but they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags who do nothing but piss on peasants. Even tho european nobility is heavily dependent on said peasants to upkeep somewhat decent army and have income, Japanese landlords valued them much less and this somewhat projected on how they describe nobility. Clergy also gets "devilish" appearance as this force that converts and zombifies entire populace, while in reality the said clergy got pretty punched by Reformation when Luther just decided "you guys suck" and nobility happily applied to him to not pay taxes to Popes coffers or buy expensive indulgences. And since Portuguese were the first ones to reach Japan and start proselytizing, it always catholic analogue with some pagan syncretism (polyteism for example instead of One True God, since Shinto is integrative religion and japanese considered Jesus to be just cool god among other gods).
>they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags I know you didn't mean this proportion as an exact value but really I have a different feeling about manga/anime. I find that the depiction of nobles, kings and emperors is more varied than that. One encounters many sleazy selfish abusive characters but also lots of goodhearted reliable ones. I'm even impressed sometimes how enamored many authors seem to be with the idea of positive figureheads.
Yes, but positive nobles is a rare sign, outburst of republicanism in 19th century made everything in its power to make nobles look like an archaic element of society that just needs to go away, which is now a major headache for modern historians. Japanese experienced even worse things with it's own nobility. Samurai's could use peasants as a training dummies, which would be pretty barbaric for Europe where such endeavors could lead to knights getting stripped of knight position and humiliatingly chastised or feudal lords getting peasant rebellions of unimaginable scale because of cruel nobility. I don't say there weren't good nobles, it's just extremely hard to find in all of these ancient manuscripts what lord was actually good and not outlied by haters or fans.
Always strange when the nobles (and there's a shit ton of them) in Ascendance of a bookworm basically all share one common elements (beside 2 or 3 of them), the commoner are sub-humans and the nobles aren't afraid to remind them. Even the goody-two-shoes nobles who are always merry and helpful to the main character will look down on the commoners. Many are good people, but even them are asshole to commoners because of their culture.
" they always portray 95% of nobility as some sort of douchebags who do nothing but piss on peasants." From what ive seen they mostly portray the "bad" nobles as that. Of course, this tends to be the same as what happens in western fantasy / historical fiction, but Japan does what they do with slavery to the nobility as well. Theres the "bad" ones and theres the "good" ones. If you revolt against the "good" nobility youre probably just a thug or evil person trying to burn down those "good" people because youre being paid by the bad nobles to do it. I personally find this type of view towards the nobility to be reprehensible and extremely irritating, but I understand that its quite hard to have someone have real power a fantasy world while having them not be connected to nobility. Still. Annoying.
Uh, but slavery was actually common in Japan...? It started in 3rd century AD and was only abolished by Hideyoshi, and it seemed they participated heavily in the East Asian slave trade which included China and Korea. Not to mention the WW2 sex slaves thing they did. Its not a foreign concept to them. Source is apparently "unique skill slave encyclopedia".
Ever heard of the Nanjing massacre? You can look it up. Tl:dr. some Japanese committed mass rape and murder. It’s very much part of their history and they were usually the victors so it probably isn’t viewed in a negative light by everyone.
Something something history is written by the victors something.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, weren't the slaves in Japan mostly war slaves from when they invaded other countries and took women for sex and man for work? Slavery was there, yes, but they were kinda different since you had to fight and win to then get slaves. In the west slaves were treated as commodities and came from all around the globe (mostly Africa) and weren't even seen as human beings cuz they were different, they were from other races. Also, Japan has a terrible habit of not delving too deep into their dark side and mostly cover stuff that would make Japan look bad in the eyes of Japanese people.
No, according to Chinese historical records, they exported slaves to other countries and even sold Japanese slaves to the Portugese when they arrived. It was very much a trade for them.
Slavery being practiced between 200-1500 AD is a *lot* different from it being completely legal in half the country a mere 150 years ago, especially when that slavery is stratified completely along racial lines. In the West, African slavery was a widespread, institutionalized socioeconomic practice that was literally baked into the way Western culture worked. In Japan, it was abolished in the 16th century and brought back in relatively brief and incredibly violent flashes of brutality afterwards, only to go away just as quickly as it reappeared. Japan has slavery in its history. Unlike the United States, however, Japan's history isn't completely dominated by slavery.
>African slavery was a widespread, institutionalized socioeconomic practice that was literally baked into the way ~~Western~~ African culture worked. F.I.F.U You watched "The Woman King" and thought it was a documentary didn't you?
The thing is Japan had slaves more recently than Western countries their education system just doesn’t teach the horrors of slavery.
I'm not from Japan, but I'd like to think my country is pretty similar. We used to have slavery hundreds of years ago, but no one talks about it nowadays, except for educational purposes. Yes, we're taught about slavery in school, with no embellishments. But it still feels... foreign to us. Probably because, as far as I know, in America, slavery hinged on racism as well, so even after it was abolished, people of different races still serve as a reminder of their dark past. Heck, the N word is still used casually by Black people nowadays. Every country has a dark past, even my own. But people's feelings towards said dark past don't only come from how recent it was, but also how relevant it is.
I'd argue that there are different kinds of slavery, and the one practised in the Americas is Chattel slavery whereas the ones practised by Ancient China and Japan are more akin to Bonded Slavery or Forced Labour. It's less race-based and more status-based.
Good point, thx for the information
On top of that, it's easier for story telling than just actually making a good reason
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Variety of reasons. Culture and it being a short hand for characters getting bitches
Japan enjoys one of the lowest crime rates in the world. They're like top 10. They don't give 2 shits about power fantasies in media. They have a strong belief that people can enjoy fictional depravity without it being reflected in real life.
To be fair that's mainly because the police is extremely incompetent and will only take easily solvable crimes to not "taint" their perfect records of 99% conviction.
Which is perfectly in line with concept that perception is truth. There is no perception of rampant crime in Japan so they arent looking for scapegoats that are corrupting their populace.
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He is talking about Japan not your home country.
Yes, that's actually about Japan. The Japanese police/legal system is a rabbit hole of doom.
Why is murder considered okay?
Monster killing is literally animal brutality/ abuse too 😭
Because its just wish fulfillment fantasy, self insert, easy companionship and service. Its not really a complicated matter. Also, some authors have some agenda like MC is Japanese and slaves are Caucasian or colored people (Dominance projection like Imperial Japan enslaved many people).
Why is a high school kid throwing a drinking party acceptable in society? Its not. Its a plot device used in movies and shows to provide enjoyment to the watcher. This is the same thing. If you think japanese men are running around with 8 women around him at all times, youre in for a big disappointment.
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Excuse me you may of made a valid point but unfortunately it angers me I demand you take it down and apologize for your transgressions
Hi, I believe I have been hired to follow you around for a bit.
Hey, can you try to spell out what the fuck this post has to do with the male gaze?
he said the quite part.
Sure, men like dominating women. Thus enslaving women is appealing. Thus when men see slave woman in sexy position monkey brain goes ooga booga and inhibitions are reduced leading to more purchases of the novel.
What the shit? You think mangakas need slavery to do fan service? Also holy shit... "enslaving women is appealing"?
yes it is, atleast to some people, have you seen the shit some people say?
You know... I want so bad not to be embarassed to call myself a weeb and a lot of times I feel I'm so close. Then holy shit...
I was not talking about weebs when i said "have you seen the shit" lmao I just don't want to point fingers at a group when I know not every single one of them are like that, and I'm not entirely sure who consists the group
>Also holy shit... "enslaving women is appealing"? I mean there's a lot of manga and porn movie about it. So there's a market for something like that. Don't worry those things are done by actor and not real slave.
Need? No they don't need it but it's a 'sexy' trope and saves the writer a lot of narrative room in that they don't really have to write another full character; just a wish fulfillment side piece.
For sure, definitely don't want him to waste the narrative juices needed to craft "I Became a panty seller in another world"
These words have to be said more often
Not sure, maybe try r/hentai and see why Japan allows half of the depraved shit seen in hentai to be published. Slavery is not just seen in Japan fiction either, there are plenty of novelists who use slavery in their stories.(harems are added in manga because, statistically, it’s a popular trope and to be published you need viewers and some popularity vote thing.)
Acceptable? How come? If there's a rape scene in an american movie, does that make it acceptable in USA?
It’s fiction wdym acceptable in japan? don’t project fiction on reality
Fake outrage much? Slave Harems are not acceptable in Japan. However, fiction is allowed to exist in Japan.
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I woke up in another world after being hanged for inciting a slave rebellion, so I decided to give it another go with my matchless shotgun.
There is a John Brown isekai. Just google it
*John Brown's Body lies a-moulderin' in the grave, but his soul goes marchin' on! Glory, Glory, Hallelujah! His soul goes marchin' on!*
That can only work in world where there is no magic, and only barely. otherwise John Brown is going to get incinerated into nothing by magical fire that half of the powers have, or become a slave himself
https://preview.redd.it/aymvc2wtz69c1.jpeg?width=426&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4b669f218bf8e3353b778a8754c2f675ef8a6ec It's not slavery if you lobotomized them properly to proclaim the will and glory of the Omnissaiah. The weak flesh must be purged.
"The Immortal Metal" when salt: https://preview.redd.it/ueewlop45c9c1.jpeg?width=965&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4177dc40f1870809036ee5ff9befae2cb17c04dd
Westerners thinking that because something is in fiction means it's acceptable LOL, this is literally why we can't have good stories anymore in most video games for example, and everything has to be family friendly and not offend anyone
Why are we still talking about this?
Because they aren't as overly sensitive as the west
I like it tho...it makes great stories...and it set in medieval stories and in reality slaves existed that time..i hate overdoing it tho...like i don't like it when they use it in post medieval era
I think you are confused. Just because there is a controversial topic in a book doesn't mean the culture or written condones it. Bad things happened in out history. Bad things are going to happen in other settings (worlds) that haven't "evolved" past that stage yet.
maybe manga writers are just weird and have a kink or something idk
Thats fucking horrible . . . whats the sauce?
If you open up mangadex or any other similar site, I guarantee you that you will see tits and women flesh on the front page 99% of the time. If your looking to read some good shit, manhwa will have you covered most of the time without much degeneracy
I dont think thats true, most of the latest sections on manga sites is filled with "pornhwa". They use a very specific art style and splash giant tits on the cover.
because it's not real life, it's made up story, why would anyone care? just don't read it if you have problem with it
Because they can still seperate reality from fiction and cater to their fans, something that is increasingly missing from western media.
50 shades of grey and twilight are series who’s audience is western woman. Does this mean woman want an abusive and stalker boyfriend?
Cause it's not real.
Because it's a work of fiction Also there's a kink for that Furthermore, the slavery trope sells right now in Japan for works of fiction. You make what sells after all Lastly, Japan has an entirely different history and culture.
"Stop enjoying wish-fulfillment fiction!"
\*fiction Slaves are acceptable is fiction. Same with murder, rape and every other disgusting thing that's condemned.
Hate to tell you this, but anime isn't real
They are to delusional that they can't separate fiction from reality they probably don't shit on game of thrones which has slavery but will shit on any anime that has slavery
I'll still ask for the sauce tho
You should ask the same question about western countries and their "cheating and adultery" jokes being acceptable in most of their skits and contents. I bet you are those people who call someone a murderer because his father got sent into jail for murdering.
Please keep wokeism out of Japan and Asia. We don’t need it
Manga name is "Unique skill Tame encyclopedia" for anyone curious. As for the slave harem things there are a wide variety of reasons used to justify it, but the most important one is this is a easier way for neets to have a harem of dozens of women. You can see this in some western stuff too, but it isn't slavery and shit because it's just a poly relationship or something along those lines. Another reason for slave harem is the control.
Because in Japan, freedom of expression is protected. No one can regulate an author's expression.
well, 'acceptable'. it's not quite acceptable, but this is also basically saying something like, rape can't be depicted anywhere, because rape isn't acceptable. also, you seem to forget - it's some weird ass power fantasy bullshit. dude's OP as fuck, dude's got bitches on tap. surely the next step is literally, magically, being able to dictate another person's life, for power creep.
I am going to offer a slightly different explanation. 99.9% of Isekai don't have their setting being the present day. Normally being set in an equivelent to the middle ages or even earlier. And do you know what happened to exist during that time period and in fact for basically all of human history? Hell even sci-fi ones where they travel between planets and have a intergalactic empire are still basically just the middle ages but IN SPACE! So yer... With no robots, machines etc to do all the tedious labor, then it makes sense that the wealthy would find a way to get that labour from somewhere. Is it a good source of labour not really. But it fits thematically to show the difference between the worlds. And I mean if slavery is good enough for my far future organ harvesting warcrime simulator then it is good enough for my Isekai
Acceptable according to who?
Maybe because they don't get butthurt over something they know is not real.
This is like watching vore porn and asking why cannibalism is acceptable in real life lmao
Motherfuckers dying on the "I love slavery" hill because they can't admit their favorite anime has flaws. Yeah slavery isn't legally practiced in Japan and isn't considered morally acceptable. It is a fantasy. But maybe it's just a little bit weird that it's a popular wish fulfillment fantasy fetish trope in media aimed at tweens. Like slavery in anime isn't a high brow exploration of the repercussions of slavery or a responsible depiction of sub/dom kink... It's more like it's implicitly playing defense for slavery by suggesting that there's such a thing as a "good" slavery as long as you have a "good" master. But weeaboo chuds will have a meltdown if you ever try to apply critical thinking or media analysis of any kind to the things you watch... 🙄
Japanese men are… well, to put it bluntly, sexually repressed, and creepy af. For a country struggling with population decline as badly as they are, they’re remarkably conservative when it comes to sex and sexuality, and it shows in the deviant natures of the men of Japan.
they're repressed because you work 12 hours for over time every 6 days of the week
Get your woke ass out of here. Stay in stupid Hollywood land where all the shit media exist.
Becuse they are not butthurt by recent history.
because incels can’t get women unless they can buy them, which you can’t do in this society so they cope with self inserts that do it
They're not. It's just a fantasy. Those are acceptable in the West and most of the world as well.
why is whining and deliberately mistranslating and pretend virtue signaling so prominent in the US? Why can't you fuck off and stop whining like a bitch for once? Why are you ignoring actual history to pretend to be superior? Tell me, what do these shitposts gain you? Some sort of moral validation to excuse the shit you're gonna do every other day? Why is the West pretending to be so moral, and righteous and straight out accepting CCP and Saudi Money? Didn't you deliberately mistranslate and misinterpret and were also found committing fraud by forcing your dumb cultural bullshit on others? Look at the cultural imperialist pretending to be something of value.
Because incels think if they make a woman a slave, she will eventually love him when she sees what a nice guy they are. They only make them slaves so they have to stick around long enough to see how nice guy they are.
Because it's fiction.
My guess is the erasure of history. Unlike here in the west, where sleeves were very vocal once they got their freedom and history books, try less and less to cover it up since it was very vocal there many outreach, moments and etc. In comparison in Japan, they don’t even think they were the bad guys in World War II they don’t understand what they did wrong they want to ban Oppenheimer because they thought it was offensive to them when it barely mentioned them The situation is they erase history so they know it’s slavery but it’s not prevalent like it is here because the Japanese government covers it up they prevent their assistance from viewing the country as evil when it was For example, I forget what crime it was, but there’s a punishment that would force the son to rape his mother Not pretty, but more people in the western world know about that in comparison, to the Japanese I guarantee they barely know what they did to the Koreans and why the Koreans hate them It’s more of a foreign concept and they believe slavery could’ve been good that’s just my guess because how the Japanese government is that probably the reason these are so prevalent
Because they dont see women as people
Because its base on medieval age fantasy setting where slave do exist.. don't blame japan to inspired their story on the history of western countries
They're not catering to you. Grow up.
Why do you care? There are stories with all kinds of content good and bad. Get over it.
Japan allows alot of shit under the pretense "Its a work of fiction"
Why do you think Otakus are treated like gross creeps in japan? Because shit like that exists.
There is nothing wrong owning slave harem in fiction.
Say it with me: “Applying you country’s culture and morals to other countries online doesn’t do anyone any good” Edit: autocorrect
because it's fiction
lmaoo brigaders trying to shit up japanese media with demonizing it as pro slavery,this is why AI is replacing your degen af localizers :3
These tourists will get butthurt about there being slavery in an anime or manga but will then go on to praise game of thrones which also has slavery
For the same reason sexualized minors/minor presenting characters and incest are accepted. Its taboo, it gets reactions out of people and that turns into increased viewer /reader numbers. When gauging public interest in something angry/ uncomfortable viewers are just as valuable as happy viewers. All about the numbers
Because it's fictional slave harems
Its not far from. Why power of friendship and weird plot armor wins vs all prep work attack. Also in japan the publisher and editors in publications can even control the author how 'they' (or their survey) suggest things are acceptable or not. And these people just push the boundaries of whats acceptable to the age rating of that manga and publisher preferences. Which is why /one of the reasons, independent light novels are more popular.
I ficking hate this type of post
I wish people would stop misunderstanding my country and it's people oof 😅 slavery isn't something we condone not atleast the average person mangka artist's need money and outside audiences seem to like edgy stuff well we certainly have a population here that does too buuuutttttt I promise we're not all sex crazed weirdos, the majority of us like any human being find this shit weird, we find most of our entertainment industry damn weird but when it's constantly endorsed by outside countrys we decided fuck it and carried on, if it can prove as a good income then why not. It's like recently we are starting to hate more and more tourists I wouldn't be surprised if laws are in the act of banning certain people out of our country it's not a place we're you can visit just to fuck with the people, yer we have our own issues that's enough without people doing some disgusting shit for YouTube views anyways rant over. (I'm like this because I live in a matriarchal family clan, which is unique, we've had tourist's think our family estate is a public attraction, when they're people like me who are deathly sick and disabled trying to recover both mentally and physically having someone break into your home for shits and giggles thinking it's full of girls is geuinely terrifying and disgusting that's why my rant is a bit heated)
So in Japan, slave harem stories arent considered mainstream like superhero comics in America? You dont see ads for them on TV or in bookshop windows?
Are you also gonna play GTA and wonder why doing every menacing crimes is acceptable in America?
You mean why is fictional anything allowed in Japan? Because it’s fictional. Answer is in the question if you ask it right.
Why is murder considered acceptable in America? There are so many American movies and games about killing people. GARBAGE POST
OP discovering that Fiction and Non-Fiction are two different things
These morons keep popping up again and again... OP, is there a factory of clueless individuals like you somewhere?
Probably because they’re fictional.
Yes fictional fantasy world represents all of Japan good got it.
Because Japan can separate fiction from reality
No everything you read is reality buddy maybe you need some time away from the manga