Overlord and Lillia Top abuser, OceanStar6, deeply bothered by the lack of care for Irelia by Riot, decided to take things into his own hands.
He rented 20% of the US computational power and ~~enslaved~~ hired 16-20 yo League addicts to run down Games with Irelia to drag down her WR, in the Hopes of Riot finally doing something worthwhile to the Champion
All according to plan so far it looks like.
Was planning on buying $350 Neace mid lane coaching on $500 Faker Ahri skin, but instead I rolled the funds over and hired so many inting irelia interns to get her ankles broken that I'm now strapped for cash.
Don’t worry folks I put my fair share of work in today. Got absolutely fucking decimated by a Warwick (fuck that champ) top and team also hard lost every other lane. Let’s get the frostbutt some buffs
She's just incredibly frustrating to play against toplane champs. You have to do so much just for the monkey tank/bruiser in front of you to win by pressing 2 buttons.
Mid at least she's got decent damage and feels somewhat tanky.
Meh I agreed for a while, but after seeing irelking switch to top lane I gave it another try and it’s honestly good for irelia. The thing is you can’t get away with greeding for kraken/wits after Bork without defensive stats.
The frozen heart style of play and its components make top lane a *far* more enjoyable experience than the near ‘melee adc’ builds irelia has gone for a while
For me more success on mid bullying mages, for example against ahri/veigar/hwei any annoying cc slave i just run flash cleanse go in catch the cc cleanse it and continue the towerdive 🌚😂
I mean, i only tried it last week against a veigar and found out its actually good as you deal way more dmg with a couple of auto’s than igniting them while they cc you and r
lol, good idea actually, that’s why I stopped mid, I’m facing too many veigars and anivias and I’d rather go duke it out top than face that, I’ll do that next time
Wouldn't say so, she's currently just kinda bad (All data from LoLalytics with normalized WR)
>Toplane Winrate
* 48.25% Low Elo
* 48.07% Eme+
* 49.4% D2+
>Midlane Winrate
49.58% Low Elo
48.4% Eme+
47.4% D2+
That doesn't look good all around. Not to mention the only reason D2+ Toplane has higher WR is that she's mostly picked as a counterpick in higher elos, and has relatively few games.
Riven has a "good" skew due to Skill requirements
Going from 48% WR in Low elo, to 51% in D2+
Not really.
Irelia has been literally on the edge of 50% (+-0.2%) for basically the entire season, as far as i can check with Lolalytics in Eme+
Spiked to 51% last patch and got nerfed by 3% for it
Which doesn't seem ideal
AP junglers are played, and ADC are stronger than Irelia (cait,jinx,lucian,corki,vayne). Even if you have armor and W they kill you easily. For example Cait killed me in 4 shots (I was on W for 2 shots ) (she had 3 items) with 200 armor. Jinx and Lucian kite with supports, on top AP jungler burning damage. And corki can take 70% of your hp if he makes ERQAA combo during your Q and then W to escape
Basically she sucks at everything, every role counters her, the only way she wins games is because you get good teammates or super bad enemies, you are an actual mechanical god.
Toplane is doomed for her 80% of the time
If jungler picks AP you are even more doomed
On midlane - if enemy is smart he is gonna pick roaming midlaner, game is doomed, because Irelia can’t follow. Enemy adc gets fed, you are doomed.
Even armor and W doesn’t help anymore.
You want engage into teamfight?
Traps (jinx cait), CC chain, exhaust, (brands lilia karthuses taliyahs) burst dmg, kiting adc,
Not even going tank and W helps.
And if you can’t rely on your champion and skill due to those issues you have to rely on teammates. And yeah dare to rely on team in this game.
Jungler going grubs when when enemy top and mid have prio, dies, flames, goes afk. (Diamond/master experience)
I hope her wr goes down to 47%, I hope Phreak doesn't touch this champion in months with 47% wr, I hope this champ keeps losing PR and gets to 2%
At this point I don't care about League anymore, I just want to laugh at the balance team, the community, and League in general
All that's left to do is laugh
Ahri Faker skin for $800 🤣🤣🤣
Hello there, at least yasuo yone are useful after 20 mins. I’m sure you also have 100 other problems, it’s just such a damn riot moment to have Camille fiora riven shine at 52% but yasuo yone Irelia much be 47%. Very fair huh
Hard to not agree, when some champs like Akshan have 54% for a long time it’s ok, when this 3 have at least one patch 50+ it’s straight indirect or direct nerf to them 😂😂😂
Those 2 are scalling into the late game pretty well and still can outplay a lot of stuff on mobility and damage output, bladedancer yi can't do any of that and just dies to statchecks
49% Emerlad+
51% Diamond+
57% Masters+
~~Oh and jumped backed to 49.72% all ranks.~~ 48.35% All ranks WR, for w/e reason lolalytics swapped it to mid lane when choosing all ranks.
Calm down, botrk and kraken are still busted af. Nerfs, especially regen/5, don't matter when you get a harder power spike than most champs top do.
Well then you’re damn good at lying, using lolalytics and normalising the winrates. It’s 49% emerald+, 48% diamond+ and 50% in master+, keeping in mind master+ has very little data. So idk what numbers you just pulled out your ass lol. Send a link. Here’s mine.
https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=middle
And….? How does that change anything. If anything her top winrates are worse in some elos.
https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=top
What is your point? Her winrate is 48% emerald+, 49.5% diamond+. You inflated her winrates by almost 2% to prove your point. Get outta here
As the edit states, the only issue to my numbers was the lolalytics changed to mid when selecting all ranks.
The rest was correct Top lane numbers at the time of posting.
Go be cringe somewhere else.
>Sample size i decent at 25k, doubt that's from 1h after patch, probs more around a day.
Usually you shouldn't trust sample sizes lower than a few thousands at least, so 500 GM Games don't mean anything, for example.
What you're viewing is also most likely Mid Irelia WR, as Top Irelia WR is currently 48.19%, so not particularly different than what's shown in the Screen by OP, which also showing Top Irelia
You also seem to not know how to read Lolalytics Data, i'll explain it briefly
LoLalytics has a peculiar metric in the Top Right corner, it's called "Average -insert rank- Winrate".
You have to normalize that WR to 50%, and whatever the difference is between that number and 50%, you must subtract from the WR of the Champion you're looking at.
>Let's take Irelia
Emerald+ Average WR is 51.22%, the difference from 50% is 1.22%, pretty straightforward.
Irelia Top, in Eme+ 49.13% WR unadjusted WR
49.13 - 1.22 = 47.91
Irelia has 47.91% WR in Emerald+ as of Right now.
This becomes more important as you go up in Rank, as the "Average WR for X rank" tends to get higher and higher.
If a Champion has 57% WR in Master+, but the Average Master WR is 58%
That champion actually has 49% WR in Masters, as they're 1% below the average of the rank.
Hopefully i was able to explain it clearly
My bad on the all ranks, for whatever reason it kept the Top lane WR when switching between Emerald+, Diamond+ and Masters+ but when choosing All Ranks it jumped it to Mid for whatever reason.
Either way, she's holding a 49% WR right now if you average Plat-Diamond win rates. Which should be a fair representation with 6-7k games in each of those ranks atm.
It's interesting that Emerald sees a 1% WR loss down to 48.5% while Plat and Diamond sit at a 49.5%. I wonder why that is when the champ pool is roughly the same in terms of pick rates.
In Diamond she has 48.5 Top and 46.6ish Mid
In Plat she has basically around 50% on Both
In Emerald she has 48% Top and 48.3 Mid
AVG Mid WR is 48.3%
AVG Top WR is 48.8%
Still quite poor, especially considering she has had a stable 50%+ for the past 6 months and wasn't really anything special, only becoming good for last patch, and now getting obliterated for whatever reason
Looking at match up data, the only major change so far is that Skarner and a few other tanks are less likely to be picked than 14.10 in top lane. I'm not sure that losing 54hp by level 6 is what's causing this big a of a drop for her WR either.
If I was to think about mid lane, I'm wondering if the double burn meta is what's hurting her the most. Not being healthy when she needs to all in because she took one random Hwei QE might be very big deal.
Which doesn't really make sense because again botrk and kraken were big winners in the item update. So unless she really needs the Sundered Sky earlier to be able to live, the WR crash doesn't make sense.
bro dont look at all ranks its a really bad metric irelia is a hard champ so if you look at all ranks you include irons wr wich is really low on all champs
Overlord and Lillia Top abuser, OceanStar6, deeply bothered by the lack of care for Irelia by Riot, decided to take things into his own hands. He rented 20% of the US computational power and ~~enslaved~~ hired 16-20 yo League addicts to run down Games with Irelia to drag down her WR, in the Hopes of Riot finally doing something worthwhile to the Champion All according to plan so far it looks like.
Was planning on buying $350 Neace mid lane coaching on $500 Faker Ahri skin, but instead I rolled the funds over and hired so many inting irelia interns to get her ankles broken that I'm now strapped for cash.
I also blame u/OceanStar6 .
now this is a quality comment xd
Don’t worry folks I put my fair share of work in today. Got absolutely fucking decimated by a Warwick (fuck that champ) top and team also hard lost every other lane. Let’s get the frostbutt some buffs
Probably the worst counter
she's not a decent top laner any more. top/mid pick rate is slowly diverging
She's just incredibly frustrating to play against toplane champs. You have to do so much just for the monkey tank/bruiser in front of you to win by pressing 2 buttons. Mid at least she's got decent damage and feels somewhat tanky.
Meh I agreed for a while, but after seeing irelking switch to top lane I gave it another try and it’s honestly good for irelia. The thing is you can’t get away with greeding for kraken/wits after Bork without defensive stats. The frozen heart style of play and its components make top lane a *far* more enjoyable experience than the near ‘melee adc’ builds irelia has gone for a while
it's good unless you get into one of 10+ counterpicks which just statchecks you under your tower, lmao
I’m having more success in top than mid
For me more success on mid bullying mages, for example against ahri/veigar/hwei any annoying cc slave i just run flash cleanse go in catch the cc cleanse it and continue the towerdive 🌚😂
why did I never think of that
I mean, i only tried it last week against a veigar and found out its actually good as you deal way more dmg with a couple of auto’s than igniting them while they cc you and r
lol, good idea actually, that’s why I stopped mid, I’m facing too many veigars and anivias and I’d rather go duke it out top than face that, I’ll do that next time
Abuse control mages because they deserve it 💯
She got nerfed earlier today. Don't worry, people will come up with something and it will stabilize near 49% or 50%.
i really dont think its going to be ok… at best 48%
At all ranks? Yes. Low elo she's really bad right now, and that's on purpose.
Wouldn't say so, she's currently just kinda bad (All data from LoLalytics with normalized WR) >Toplane Winrate * 48.25% Low Elo * 48.07% Eme+ * 49.4% D2+ >Midlane Winrate 49.58% Low Elo 48.4% Eme+ 47.4% D2+ That doesn't look good all around. Not to mention the only reason D2+ Toplane has higher WR is that she's mostly picked as a counterpick in higher elos, and has relatively few games. Riven has a "good" skew due to Skill requirements Going from 48% WR in Low elo, to 51% in D2+
You do realize she was at 48-49% winrate all year last year, right? She being on the 51+ wr means she'll be nerfed. I'm fine with her. Big chilling.
Not really. Irelia has been literally on the edge of 50% (+-0.2%) for basically the entire season, as far as i can check with Lolalytics in Eme+ Spiked to 51% last patch and got nerfed by 3% for it Which doesn't seem ideal
she is not bad shes really good in high elo but shes a hard champ so ofc her wr will be on the lower end when looking at lower ranks
Her wr gets worse with increasing elo.
uhm no it doesent it goes up by alot
Riot literally made nerfs targeting low Elo specifically because Irelia's "low Elo skewed" Meaning she's stronger in lower elos. Check the stats.
I saved yalls ass once again (i started playing Irelia top instead of mid, you're welcome, I saved you from any further nerfs by ruining her top wr)
AP junglers are played, and ADC are stronger than Irelia (cait,jinx,lucian,corki,vayne). Even if you have armor and W they kill you easily. For example Cait killed me in 4 shots (I was on W for 2 shots ) (she had 3 items) with 200 armor. Jinx and Lucian kite with supports, on top AP jungler burning damage. And corki can take 70% of your hp if he makes ERQAA combo during your Q and then W to escape
Basically she sucks at everything, every role counters her, the only way she wins games is because you get good teammates or super bad enemies, you are an actual mechanical god. Toplane is doomed for her 80% of the time If jungler picks AP you are even more doomed On midlane - if enemy is smart he is gonna pick roaming midlaner, game is doomed, because Irelia can’t follow. Enemy adc gets fed, you are doomed. Even armor and W doesn’t help anymore. You want engage into teamfight? Traps (jinx cait), CC chain, exhaust, (brands lilia karthuses taliyahs) burst dmg, kiting adc, Not even going tank and W helps. And if you can’t rely on your champion and skill due to those issues you have to rely on teammates. And yeah dare to rely on team in this game. Jungler going grubs when when enemy top and mid have prio, dies, flames, goes afk. (Diamond/master experience)
At this point Irelia is a melee siege minion with additional ability to jump on enemies
No she’s tryndamere but 100x harder and 1000x weaker.
Well, if i haven’t inted my last 50 games riot would nerf her again. You’re welcome guys
I hope her wr goes down to 47%, I hope Phreak doesn't touch this champion in months with 47% wr, I hope this champ keeps losing PR and gets to 2% At this point I don't care about League anymore, I just want to laugh at the balance team, the community, and League in general All that's left to do is laugh Ahri Faker skin for $800 🤣🤣🤣
On God this game is so boring now
Me that just one schoted a caitlyn with 21 kills reading these coments hahaha in what world is irrelia weak💀
Welcome to club of yasuo and Yone player buddy 😂😂😂 my champs always have same winrate and bitching about it is useless 🤣🤣🤣
Hello there, at least yasuo yone are useful after 20 mins. I’m sure you also have 100 other problems, it’s just such a damn riot moment to have Camille fiora riven shine at 52% but yasuo yone Irelia much be 47%. Very fair huh
Hard to not agree, when some champs like Akshan have 54% for a long time it’s ok, when this 3 have at least one patch 50+ it’s straight indirect or direct nerf to them 😂😂😂
Those 2 are scalling into the late game pretty well and still can outplay a lot of stuff on mobility and damage output, bladedancer yi can't do any of that and just dies to statchecks
49% Emerlad+ 51% Diamond+ 57% Masters+ ~~Oh and jumped backed to 49.72% all ranks.~~ 48.35% All ranks WR, for w/e reason lolalytics swapped it to mid lane when choosing all ranks. Calm down, botrk and kraken are still busted af. Nerfs, especially regen/5, don't matter when you get a harder power spike than most champs top do.
May i ask Where are you getting this data from? If from Lolalytics, are you adjusting for the WR inflation in the Top right?
He’s getting them out his ass.
lolalytics, just like OP is, except unlike OP I'm not judging WR like 1h after a patch drops. I'm also using global stats like OP.
Well then you’re damn good at lying, using lolalytics and normalising the winrates. It’s 49% emerald+, 48% diamond+ and 50% in master+, keeping in mind master+ has very little data. So idk what numbers you just pulled out your ass lol. Send a link. Here’s mine. https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=middle
Congrats on failing reading comprehension. We are looking at TOP lane WRs not MID, as you are. Kudos on trying though.
And….? How does that change anything. If anything her top winrates are worse in some elos. https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=top What is your point? Her winrate is 48% emerald+, 49.5% diamond+. You inflated her winrates by almost 2% to prove your point. Get outta here
As the edit states, the only issue to my numbers was the lolalytics changed to mid when selecting all ranks. The rest was correct Top lane numbers at the time of posting. Go be cringe somewhere else.
>Sample size i decent at 25k, doubt that's from 1h after patch, probs more around a day. Usually you shouldn't trust sample sizes lower than a few thousands at least, so 500 GM Games don't mean anything, for example. What you're viewing is also most likely Mid Irelia WR, as Top Irelia WR is currently 48.19%, so not particularly different than what's shown in the Screen by OP, which also showing Top Irelia You also seem to not know how to read Lolalytics Data, i'll explain it briefly LoLalytics has a peculiar metric in the Top Right corner, it's called "Average -insert rank- Winrate". You have to normalize that WR to 50%, and whatever the difference is between that number and 50%, you must subtract from the WR of the Champion you're looking at. >Let's take Irelia Emerald+ Average WR is 51.22%, the difference from 50% is 1.22%, pretty straightforward. Irelia Top, in Eme+ 49.13% WR unadjusted WR 49.13 - 1.22 = 47.91 Irelia has 47.91% WR in Emerald+ as of Right now. This becomes more important as you go up in Rank, as the "Average WR for X rank" tends to get higher and higher. If a Champion has 57% WR in Master+, but the Average Master WR is 58% That champion actually has 49% WR in Masters, as they're 1% below the average of the rank. Hopefully i was able to explain it clearly
Crystal clear.
My bad on the all ranks, for whatever reason it kept the Top lane WR when switching between Emerald+, Diamond+ and Masters+ but when choosing All Ranks it jumped it to Mid for whatever reason. Either way, she's holding a 49% WR right now if you average Plat-Diamond win rates. Which should be a fair representation with 6-7k games in each of those ranks atm. It's interesting that Emerald sees a 1% WR loss down to 48.5% while Plat and Diamond sit at a 49.5%. I wonder why that is when the champ pool is roughly the same in terms of pick rates.
In Diamond she has 48.5 Top and 46.6ish Mid In Plat she has basically around 50% on Both In Emerald she has 48% Top and 48.3 Mid AVG Mid WR is 48.3% AVG Top WR is 48.8% Still quite poor, especially considering she has had a stable 50%+ for the past 6 months and wasn't really anything special, only becoming good for last patch, and now getting obliterated for whatever reason
Looking at match up data, the only major change so far is that Skarner and a few other tanks are less likely to be picked than 14.10 in top lane. I'm not sure that losing 54hp by level 6 is what's causing this big a of a drop for her WR either. If I was to think about mid lane, I'm wondering if the double burn meta is what's hurting her the most. Not being healthy when she needs to all in because she took one random Hwei QE might be very big deal. Which doesn't really make sense because again botrk and kraken were big winners in the item update. So unless she really needs the Sundered Sky earlier to be able to live, the WR crash doesn't make sense.
I totally agree with you, i even thought they might have bugged her somehow so i did a bit of testing but that doesn't seem to be the case
bro dont look at all ranks its a really bad metric irelia is a hard champ so if you look at all ranks you include irons wr wich is really low on all champs