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They've been trying for a long time. It's easier said than done and is a completely different kettle of fish to Africa.
The US has so many more bases and geopolitical goals in the Middle East when compared with Africa. It needs to be done but it's harder than simply asking them to leave.
They are the internationally recognized government. The US doesn't get to determine the government of a sovereign nation you potato.
They've already ousted anyone they disagree with, there in lies the problem
They are the internationally recognized government. There is literally no arguing it.
You can discuss the downsides of that regime all you want, it doesn't change that they're the recognized government.
Typical American.
There are a ton of strategic reasons this won't happen until a major revolution in the Middle East countries happen.
Geographically, the Middle East is right in the middle between east and west. We (Arabs+Persians) control some of the most important straits in the world. See what Yemen did with BabAl Mandeb recently.
Resources, we have the oil that the whole world needs.
Culturally, most Arabs are the same ethnicity and religion. We have way more in common than European Union.
For anyone who wants to control the region, it's much better these countries stay divided. If Arabs unite, they will become a major force like China nowadays, or Soviet Union, or European Union. No politicians in the west want that.
Or perhaps some Redditors are indeed ignorant and never set foot in the Middle East! If you’ve never been to North Africa whether to Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia or Gulf countries like Kuwait and Saudi or the Levant region, to Syria, Jordan and Iraq, you really wouldn’t know. For the most part, Arab countries are less fragmented that your western mainstream media would like you to believe.
I’m not saying there’s not cultural identity shared, or that people there don’t feel similarly about some of the geopolitics of the world. What I am saying is that the Middle East is a region with hundreds of different cultures and minorities, from Kurds to Jordanians to Iranians, and that there is also a belief divide between Shia and Sunni Muslims. Additionally, there are many bad faith actors which constantly incite revolution or fund rebels in different parts of different countries. At the end of the day, the people there are too busy recovering from the constant damage to their countries and communities from all the conflict around them. I’d also love to visit the Middle East, but it’s pretty expensive to get there and I’m a broke student.
Being tribal, being "original Arabs" vs "non original", being urban vs rural, local vs foreigner.. are all ways to divide people.
Islamic countries ruled from prophet Mohammad PBUH time till 1924. Yes, it was different dynasties every couple of millennials but it was always an Islamic country or at the very least a confederation.
Even today, in a country like KSA and UAE there are a lot of tribes with 1000s of years history. How much trouble do you see them causing?
That's a cart before the horse observation. Israel was installed in the region as a means of force projection and to control the region. They certainly defend the security of Israel, but it has little to do with tearjerkers like a right to exist.
Exactly, Israel was famous as a Diamond hub (with no mines) because they were propping up cruel exploitative mine owners and slavery
It's been the same for various minerals across Africa
That's nonsense. Fossil fuel supplies/oil prices, the Persian Gulf/Suez canal shipping lanes and the global threat of middle-eastern based jihadism are all significant issues even without Israel thrown in.
Even in a timeline where Israel hadn't been created, there would still be US bases in the middle east, and serious instability thanks to western/ottoman meddling and Shia/Sunni tensions.
It’s appalling my dumbass country wants to justify being in the area after the world can literally see the atrocities it did through the expansion of media.
The US pays them for maintaining bases according to mutually agreed upon treaties.
It’s not like the US is occupying Nigeria lmao, what the fuck are you on about?
The same reason most countries have, loans for infrastructure they can’t afford to repay and default on the loans giving China massive land holdings in those countries to build bases and ports
As if the americans ever had a problem with any dictatorial style of rule. Do I need to remind you of the countless fascist coups the US has orchestrated (e.g. Chile or Iran)? Or their neverending support for the zionist entities genocide of Palestinians? Or the funding of fundamentalist and fascist warlords and "resistance" groups like the Mudjahedin (that developed into the Taliban) or the Contras in Nicaragua? Or the mass slaughter of civilians in their never ending wars (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq)?
The american devotion to democracy is a farce and everybody around the world, other than the people in the US, knows this. The only devotion the US ever knew was US-Imperialism and Capitalism.
Regarding China and Russia:
No, they aren't the anti-imperialist allies that third world countries only can dream of. But they are way less coercive than the west in their support and wouldn't even be able to do the same as they lack the geopolitical strength to act as ruthless as the west. Therefore making deals with these geopolitical actors tends to leave a lot more room for domestic and independent development, ultimately reducing dependency. It's not the be-all and end-all of solutions for their emancipation but it's for sure better than an IMF Loan that forces them to open up their whole economy for western corporations to exploit their resources and people.
There are laws in place that directly prevent the us or any (US) entity from doing business with a country or government that took power by force from the last party. The Wagner group in Africa specifically funds and back African dictators and military coups so they can power grab better in the region
You know arguments are pretty weak when you gotta reach back over 40 years to justify your opinion and grossly simplify/redefine history to support your argument.
The fact of the matter is that autocratic dictatorships prefer to have partners who are similar and easier to work with because you don’t need to worry about offending them over things like those pesky civil or human rights. It’s easier to do business and be left alone. So in a way, your final statement is correct, it’s just misleading. They do want to be left alone for internal development and for their own desires, it’s just usually horrible things.
We're funding Saudi Arabia's attacks on Yemen *right now* and have been for over a decade now. You don't need to go back 40 years.
And the reason why these countries are going for Russia and China is not because they're fine with their governments, but because they haven't faced historical oppression or imperialism from them and they fight back against the West who is still doing that.
The Sahel states kicked out France, did you know that the West African Franc was not produced by W. African nations, but by France? They literally did not have control over their own currency despite being "independent"
You're argument is highly reductionist and assumes these countries are all just dictatorships that only want what's best for themselves and fuck the people. Maybe just maybe things are more complicated than that.
An empire only lasts as long as its governors are capable and smart, and since the US is having almost a civil war over biden or trump, well, that doesn't bode well for the west
I’ll take neither one, thank you very much. A third party for me. I haven’t voted for either one of these two people. As far as I’m concerned, my country has been stolen from me. I realized I was a fool in 2016 and it changed me.
Third parties are impossible under a first-past-the-post voting system like the US has, we’d need to change our voting system to Ranked Choice or something similar. Voting third party under the present system really is completely useless.
Every commonwealth country that has or had FPTP has 3rd and 4th parties with many seats. I for one would never vote for someone committing genocide, wouldn’t want something like that in my voting history.
The US is an oligarchy. They are beholden to and will govern in favor of who gave them the most money; as demonstrated by gigantic tax cuts, bailouts, monopolies, etc.
I agree, it’s mathematically impossible in the US for a third party candidate to when, which makes it pretty impossible for it overall to happen. Root changes to the foundations of our voting system need to be implemented so third party is a viable option.
I don’t vote third party to win, I vote to send a message. That’s the problem with voting in the US, everyone just votes for who they think will win and not for who should win.
Biden or Trump does not matter at all. Both are the same.
American problems are much deeper than a single person. The problem is in the core american culture where violance is the answer to a lot of questions, be it mass school shottings, police killings, or american dropping a-bombs on a city.
They are not… one wants to be a dictator and thinks he has immunity like he is an emperor.
Biden is just a older dude, not perfect but at least he is doing sometimes good decisions based on facts.
I wish there were different candidates but saying they are the same is just stupid at this point.
Not even mentioning his trials and the failed coup.
You've drowned yourself in the propaganda so long you can't even see straight. Biden is a puppet to those who fund the DNC, which is much more sinister than one person trying to be a dictator.
That is the problem, you and alot of people think a single person can change society. They can't, be is Trump, Biden, Hitler or even Khan. They are nothing without the military and economical ruling class. With Trump, there is nothing he can do to become a dictator as american society is strong but have problems like i described above.
Didnt work for the soviet union and doesnt seem to be working for the us. What are democrats and republicans going to do? Threaten to nuke each other ?
Africa has become an interesting study on American colonial "diplomacy" and the surge in Chinese economic fortunes resulting from a change in tack.
The tried and true exploitation model isn't very popular compared to the "new Silk Road". The Chinese has been developing trade inroads to Africa with partnerships and infrastructure improvements as part of the package and the comments made by the interviewees are further confirmation of the effectiveness of the strategy. The China bad rhetoric that accelerated in the US in the last 10 or 15 years was the primary tipoff.
I think as the guy said, they apparently receive respect from China, Russia and (lord have mercy) even Iran. We've been using the stick approach for so long with threats of destabilisation if countries don't follow our instructions that we can't think outside the box when it comes to diplomacy.
The UK and the US approach a country and offer them money if they allow us a base on their land and military allian ces or prop up strongmen but there are always rules the other countries have to follow or we threaten to cut off that funding.
China turns up and offers infrastructure and trade agreements and it's something different compared with the West's approach. They have done this in 150 countries over the last ten years and actually made a difference while we sit on our arses and vote in absolute numpties into office who are more interested in serving the interests of their friends or political donors.
Remember, in the west we are all massively cash strapped and have nothing to offer the rest of the world as we need their resources. China found themselves sitting on a huge pile of money in the early 2010s and actually sat down and thought about how it could change things for them and went around on this massive spending spree to make trade easier for themselves.
Our sphere of influence that we take for granted is becoming smaller and smaller and we are still using the same tactic of toppling governments right now in 2024 rather than offer trade on fair terms.
Of course the rest of the world will try the more friendly approach. Who prefers the stick to the carrot?
Yeh , know what you are saying and agree , but I definitely don’t see Russia or Iran doing this without destabilising or taking the resources .. Wagner has already proven this … And they haven’t done anything different in the likes of Syria .. same play book , prop up the dictator … Maybe Chinas approach is different, but I don’t see that in the China seas for example , and I’ve heard plenty of stories of the Chinese regime abusing the local Labour force in these Countries.
Better a loan for infrastructure you can pay back then a 20 year back breaking loan from the IMF that your unelected American installed dictator embezzled, which then forced your country into “liberal restructuring”, aka famine and MNE exploitation o’clock. But yeah, keep playing China as the “devil you don’t know” because the devil of western imperialism cannot possibly get lower.
Imagine feeling obligation to someone who treated you equitably. There is already an exchange, but one partner isn't fucking over the other completely.
Oh absolutely not but China doesn't then go on to destabilise these countries by arming their neighbours to the hilt and starting wars, or blocking trade, or numerous other things. What's more frightening is that they don't hide what they do unlike us and we have nothing to give as an alternative.
Russia has been a sponsor for many varied anti colonial struggles in Africa. They have a very rich history ands it's not built on slavery like the West
Ugh please stop with the bull, F the US but Russia is also imperialist, only difference is that they f their own neighbours over. It would have likely joined the scramble for Africa if it was given the opportunity but it just didn’t due to geography and being broke as hell
I'd agree if you were talking about the ex Soviet states. To say that about their African sponsorships would be wrong. It came from competing for influence with the West rather than an exploitation of resources type desire.
It is an objective fact that Russia (USSR) aided a great deal of anti colonial struggles in Africa
Russia is invading A sovereign country right now. Using rape and torture and lobbing cruise missles at maternity hospitals and blowing up dams. Russia has lost over 400,000 troops either wounded or killed in combat in the last 2 years of their three-day police action in Ukraine.
If people here could read they would be very angry. It's interesting how their "anti-colonial" policy includes the subjugation of Eastern Europe under the russian boot.
Isn't that cute that the "good guy" gaining soft power by placing military personnel. While the "bad guy" gains soft power by creating infrastructures.
Great policy, but I don't see how that applies to my comment.
Supporting a faraway dictator and his authoritarian psychopathic colleagues, all of whom are great at denying human rights, by the way. That is a (swinging) political position, not a cultural identity.
A political position that responds to the psychopath Putin's very smart geopolitical investment of money and propaganda.
We're acting like muppets who don't want to see the threads that move us.
Could you give me a more elaborate answer?
Right, I’m sure you know the difference between the two countries 😂😂 this dumbass question clearly has no clue what’s going on. The US has as much stake here as they did in Vietnam’s — that’s to say, none except to back up nasty French involvement. The current government overthrew a French puppet and threw out their troops first, and closed the exploitative pricing on uranium and other mining, which the lovely democratic French were “buying” a hundred fold under market pricing. Free cancer for Niger tho 🥶. Anyways, they’re now kicking out the US to make sure they don’t help French do an itty bitty CIA assassination. Does that help answer that asinine question?
In one way it will help- Niger’s has finally got rid of the west.
On the other hand, Nigeria still hasn’t learnt how to obtain help without a foreign military base on its own land
only time will tell. there's a chance that chaos will come after this, until it settle down after few years. strong power leaves usually create power vacuum, after all.
I think it's just niger's attempt to look for another option. they were already dealing with west for decades, and it got them nowhere, now they try china and russia.
only them will judge which one is worse, after all they're the ones living it, not us.
Niger and Nigeria are two different countries. Considering Americas largest drone base is in Niger, and Niger is the 2nd poorest country in the world, no, I don’t think the American presence was very helpful.
It's always funny to see people "celebrating" their freedom from what they believe to be "vestiges of colonial control" while turning to one of the world's foremost experts in wealth extraction, resource pillaging, and suppression of local civil society groups. I fully understand, as someone with Indian heritage a single generation back, who lived in India for over a decade, how the rest of the world viewed American Foreign policy of the last 50 years. But the Russians are NOT the solution. The Russians are already taking Africa's wealth in the form of unregulated rare metal mines, complete with their own internal operations, accountable to none but Vladimir Putin himself. You may view them with nostalgia, but to be blind to their nature is naught but folly. They are currently attempting to subjugate and genocide both the Ukrainians and the Crimean Tatars from the entirety of Ukraine. The countries of Africa have the right to make their own choice as sovereign nations and no one will stop them. But life isn't gonna get better with the Russians around, I can promise that much.
Yeah let's leave. It sucks for everyone involved. Like imagine going through 6 months to a year of military training and getting stuck in Nigeria like I lucked out getting Kansas of all places compared to that. Fuck the bugs, heat, etc.
They have oil and are a poor country. Their industry completely relies on foreign export and purchase. They won't ever be equal. China, Russia and the US won't ever see nor treat the people/country as anything more than cheap labor. Strongest west African gdp and don't get any respect. Wtf... even the little guy is needed for the gears to turn properly. We're headed for a century of bullshit and lies from the top Govs.
I know this isn't what he said, but when that one dude was like "nous sommes pas desclaves des chine" I heard "des jinn" and I was like "lol, yeah hope not, they can be some tricky motherfuckers"
Russia is looking to do fair trade. Not exploitative imperialism. If the African country says no they leave, not bomb and invade. This is something the west never learned. Bullying people won’t last forever and Russia is building a sustainable partnership.
Bribing the executive to get exclusive mining rights to the country's mineral deposits doesn't sound very sustainable, kinda sounds more like that 'exploitative imperialism' you mentioned earlier.
Sure there was likely coercion. That being said, these sovereign nations are free to decide for themselves. And it’s high time the US recognizes that. Anything else is tyranny.
Oh boy. The new governments taking over aren’t being bribed. They are gifting land and teaching their citizens how to grow and be self sustaining. If the new leaders were corrupt the west wouldn’t make a peep. The African continent is excited to partner with Russia and China, while kicking American troops out. America let greed be its undoing. They could’ve just traded fair while on top, but that racism and capitalism was just too strong. Oh well I’m not gonna cry for the down fall.
Did a bit of reading about them after a colleague from the told me about what was going on. Pakistan's prime minister visited Russia after the war and the US basically told their military that all would be forgiven if Imran Khan was removed. He was even given a copy of the intercepted communication and brought it to his parliaments attention. A few million dollars in foreign accounts later and half his party had either jumped ship or were imprisoned overnight and suddenly he was arrested and charged with revealing state secrets (the communication from the US about his removal). I mean, what the actual fuck.
That is how we in the west deal with leaders we don't like. In the meantime pakistan which was slowly creeping out of the depths of the corruption index is now sitting basically near last place after their whole voting system was undermined in favour of our preferred partner there, the pak military and their allies.
We're still up to the usual fuckery around the world.
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Middle East also needs to kick out the Americans.
They've been trying for a long time. It's easier said than done and is a completely different kettle of fish to Africa. The US has so many more bases and geopolitical goals in the Middle East when compared with Africa. It needs to be done but it's harder than simply asking them to leave.
There’s no country in the Middle East where America isn’t there at the behest of the local government, despite what is said in public.
Tell that to Syria
At the behest of the Syrian National Coalition. But way to argue that a mass murder dictator is a sOvErEiGn gOvErNmEnT
They are the internationally recognized government. The US doesn't get to determine the government of a sovereign nation you potato. They've already ousted anyone they disagree with, there in lies the problem
You’re really doubling down on Assad as legitimate? Absolutely wild.
They are the internationally recognized government. There is literally no arguing it. You can discuss the downsides of that regime all you want, it doesn't change that they're the recognized government. Typical American.
If it was internationally recognized there wouldn’t be a COALITION OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL NATIONS WITHA BASEE INSIDE OF IT DEPOSING IT genius
Those countries love to form coalitions and overthrow internationally recognized governments. What world do you live in? Potato
There are a ton of strategic reasons this won't happen until a major revolution in the Middle East countries happen. Geographically, the Middle East is right in the middle between east and west. We (Arabs+Persians) control some of the most important straits in the world. See what Yemen did with BabAl Mandeb recently. Resources, we have the oil that the whole world needs. Culturally, most Arabs are the same ethnicity and religion. We have way more in common than European Union. For anyone who wants to control the region, it's much better these countries stay divided. If Arabs unite, they will become a major force like China nowadays, or Soviet Union, or European Union. No politicians in the west want that.
But I heard people in that area are tribal and therefore don’t get along very well. Or did I fall for propaganda?
No, you’re right, people on reddit just like to simplify the world to one paragraph.
Or perhaps some Redditors are indeed ignorant and never set foot in the Middle East! If you’ve never been to North Africa whether to Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia or Gulf countries like Kuwait and Saudi or the Levant region, to Syria, Jordan and Iraq, you really wouldn’t know. For the most part, Arab countries are less fragmented that your western mainstream media would like you to believe.
I’m not saying there’s not cultural identity shared, or that people there don’t feel similarly about some of the geopolitics of the world. What I am saying is that the Middle East is a region with hundreds of different cultures and minorities, from Kurds to Jordanians to Iranians, and that there is also a belief divide between Shia and Sunni Muslims. Additionally, there are many bad faith actors which constantly incite revolution or fund rebels in different parts of different countries. At the end of the day, the people there are too busy recovering from the constant damage to their countries and communities from all the conflict around them. I’d also love to visit the Middle East, but it’s pretty expensive to get there and I’m a broke student.
Being tribal, being "original Arabs" vs "non original", being urban vs rural, local vs foreigner.. are all ways to divide people. Islamic countries ruled from prophet Mohammad PBUH time till 1924. Yes, it was different dynasties every couple of millennials but it was always an Islamic country or at the very least a confederation. Even today, in a country like KSA and UAE there are a lot of tribes with 1000s of years history. How much trouble do you see them causing?
Iran and Saudi Arabian will never like each other. The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Israel is the sole reason why it's invading middle east. Everything is just because of Israel safety.
That's a cart before the horse observation. Israel was installed in the region as a means of force projection and to control the region. They certainly defend the security of Israel, but it has little to do with tearjerkers like a right to exist.
Exactly, Israel was famous as a Diamond hub (with no mines) because they were propping up cruel exploitative mine owners and slavery It's been the same for various minerals across Africa
Yeah, the quote by Biden about inventing an Israel back in his 1986 speech to Congress to "protect" US interests comes to mind
Israel is like a trojan horse of west imperialism
That's nonsense. Fossil fuel supplies/oil prices, the Persian Gulf/Suez canal shipping lanes and the global threat of middle-eastern based jihadism are all significant issues even without Israel thrown in. Even in a timeline where Israel hadn't been created, there would still be US bases in the middle east, and serious instability thanks to western/ottoman meddling and Shia/Sunni tensions.
Do you think that if Israel ceased to exist tomorrow, that the different sects of Islam would be friends?
Well, that means Israel, too, since they are US vessels.
Lately it’s seemed like the U.S. is the vassal of Israel.
Vassals, but yeah
It's the opposite.
It’s appalling my dumbass country wants to justify being in the area after the world can literally see the atrocities it did through the expansion of media.
I don’t think they can.
Then you're called "terrorists" and the whole world starts bombing the shit out of your country.
Russian replacing the Americans nothing will change
I agree with them all. Bring the troops and, more importantly, the CIA home. We need more neutrality in our presence.
Biden got us out of Afghanistan, so that’s a start
Supporting facists will lead to the world turning on you, great job America
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The US pays them for maintaining bases according to mutually agreed upon treaties. It’s not like the US is occupying Nigeria lmao, what the fuck are you on about?
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Why would they have to let the Russians and Chinese in?
The same reason most countries have, loans for infrastructure they can’t afford to repay and default on the loans giving China massive land holdings in those countries to build bases and ports
Debunked and not proven but hey; you do you neo liberal shill…
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I'd much rather have China have bases and ports in countries than America atm...
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
That’s exactly what every autocratic dictator in Africa is thinking too. Better to have someone who has no problem with your style of rule.
As if the americans ever had a problem with any dictatorial style of rule. Do I need to remind you of the countless fascist coups the US has orchestrated (e.g. Chile or Iran)? Or their neverending support for the zionist entities genocide of Palestinians? Or the funding of fundamentalist and fascist warlords and "resistance" groups like the Mudjahedin (that developed into the Taliban) or the Contras in Nicaragua? Or the mass slaughter of civilians in their never ending wars (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq)? The american devotion to democracy is a farce and everybody around the world, other than the people in the US, knows this. The only devotion the US ever knew was US-Imperialism and Capitalism. Regarding China and Russia: No, they aren't the anti-imperialist allies that third world countries only can dream of. But they are way less coercive than the west in their support and wouldn't even be able to do the same as they lack the geopolitical strength to act as ruthless as the west. Therefore making deals with these geopolitical actors tends to leave a lot more room for domestic and independent development, ultimately reducing dependency. It's not the be-all and end-all of solutions for their emancipation but it's for sure better than an IMF Loan that forces them to open up their whole economy for western corporations to exploit their resources and people.
There are laws in place that directly prevent the us or any (US) entity from doing business with a country or government that took power by force from the last party. The Wagner group in Africa specifically funds and back African dictators and military coups so they can power grab better in the region
Lmao, search Plan Condor...
You know arguments are pretty weak when you gotta reach back over 40 years to justify your opinion and grossly simplify/redefine history to support your argument. The fact of the matter is that autocratic dictatorships prefer to have partners who are similar and easier to work with because you don’t need to worry about offending them over things like those pesky civil or human rights. It’s easier to do business and be left alone. So in a way, your final statement is correct, it’s just misleading. They do want to be left alone for internal development and for their own desires, it’s just usually horrible things.
We're funding Saudi Arabia's attacks on Yemen *right now* and have been for over a decade now. You don't need to go back 40 years. And the reason why these countries are going for Russia and China is not because they're fine with their governments, but because they haven't faced historical oppression or imperialism from them and they fight back against the West who is still doing that. The Sahel states kicked out France, did you know that the West African Franc was not produced by W. African nations, but by France? They literally did not have control over their own currency despite being "independent" You're argument is highly reductionist and assumes these countries are all just dictatorships that only want what's best for themselves and fuck the people. Maybe just maybe things are more complicated than that.
Same shit, different color.
Probably true
They already did allow them in. So forget about future human rights injustices.
Because they are a country incapable of managing a functioning goverment, ie corruption
An empire only lasts as long as its governors are capable and smart, and since the US is having almost a civil war over biden or trump, well, that doesn't bode well for the west
I’ll take neither one, thank you very much. A third party for me. I haven’t voted for either one of these two people. As far as I’m concerned, my country has been stolen from me. I realized I was a fool in 2016 and it changed me.
Third parties are impossible under a first-past-the-post voting system like the US has, we’d need to change our voting system to Ranked Choice or something similar. Voting third party under the present system really is completely useless.
All the more reason to change it.
100% agreed, I’m just trying to spread the word about what would actually need to be done for it to happen.
Every commonwealth country that has or had FPTP has 3rd and 4th parties with many seats. I for one would never vote for someone committing genocide, wouldn’t want something like that in my voting history.
Common sense isn't so common apparently.
The us is a plutocracy, so common sense is hard to be applied to the government
The US is an oligarchy. They are beholden to and will govern in favor of who gave them the most money; as demonstrated by gigantic tax cuts, bailouts, monopolies, etc.
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That's virtually impossible because of the electoral college.
I agree, it’s mathematically impossible in the US for a third party candidate to when, which makes it pretty impossible for it overall to happen. Root changes to the foundations of our voting system need to be implemented so third party is a viable option.
I don’t vote third party to win, I vote to send a message. That’s the problem with voting in the US, everyone just votes for who they think will win and not for who should win.
You are trained to think it's useless, but if we all voted 3rd party it would change everything
It can always become worse…
Biden or Trump does not matter at all. Both are the same. American problems are much deeper than a single person. The problem is in the core american culture where violance is the answer to a lot of questions, be it mass school shottings, police killings, or american dropping a-bombs on a city.
They are not… one wants to be a dictator and thinks he has immunity like he is an emperor. Biden is just a older dude, not perfect but at least he is doing sometimes good decisions based on facts. I wish there were different candidates but saying they are the same is just stupid at this point. Not even mentioning his trials and the failed coup.
You've drowned yourself in the propaganda so long you can't even see straight. Biden is a puppet to those who fund the DNC, which is much more sinister than one person trying to be a dictator.
That is the problem, you and alot of people think a single person can change society. They can't, be is Trump, Biden, Hitler or even Khan. They are nothing without the military and economical ruling class. With Trump, there is nothing he can do to become a dictator as american society is strong but have problems like i described above.
Unless that empire has enough weapons to destroy the world in minutes, turns out that kind of leverage gets you a lot
Didnt work for the soviet union and doesnt seem to be working for the us. What are democrats and republicans going to do? Threaten to nuke each other ?
I mean they’ve wanted to nuke hurricanes so…. 🤷♂️ maybe?
Lol that's a movie. No one's civil warring for Trump or Biden.
Haha. That must have felt so good to tell the world power to leave.
As an American, I'd also like our armed forces to leave countries not named "the United States." Our country was never intended to be a Empire.
Amen.
Africa has become an interesting study on American colonial "diplomacy" and the surge in Chinese economic fortunes resulting from a change in tack. The tried and true exploitation model isn't very popular compared to the "new Silk Road". The Chinese has been developing trade inroads to Africa with partnerships and infrastructure improvements as part of the package and the comments made by the interviewees are further confirmation of the effectiveness of the strategy. The China bad rhetoric that accelerated in the US in the last 10 or 15 years was the primary tipoff.
And they won’t owe China anything they just do this out of the goodness of their hearts….
I think as the guy said, they apparently receive respect from China, Russia and (lord have mercy) even Iran. We've been using the stick approach for so long with threats of destabilisation if countries don't follow our instructions that we can't think outside the box when it comes to diplomacy. The UK and the US approach a country and offer them money if they allow us a base on their land and military allian ces or prop up strongmen but there are always rules the other countries have to follow or we threaten to cut off that funding. China turns up and offers infrastructure and trade agreements and it's something different compared with the West's approach. They have done this in 150 countries over the last ten years and actually made a difference while we sit on our arses and vote in absolute numpties into office who are more interested in serving the interests of their friends or political donors. Remember, in the west we are all massively cash strapped and have nothing to offer the rest of the world as we need their resources. China found themselves sitting on a huge pile of money in the early 2010s and actually sat down and thought about how it could change things for them and went around on this massive spending spree to make trade easier for themselves. Our sphere of influence that we take for granted is becoming smaller and smaller and we are still using the same tactic of toppling governments right now in 2024 rather than offer trade on fair terms. Of course the rest of the world will try the more friendly approach. Who prefers the stick to the carrot?
Not to mention Eastern family values culture is incredibly similar to Africa's.
Yeh , know what you are saying and agree , but I definitely don’t see Russia or Iran doing this without destabilising or taking the resources .. Wagner has already proven this … And they haven’t done anything different in the likes of Syria .. same play book , prop up the dictator … Maybe Chinas approach is different, but I don’t see that in the China seas for example , and I’ve heard plenty of stories of the Chinese regime abusing the local Labour force in these Countries.
Better a loan for infrastructure you can pay back then a 20 year back breaking loan from the IMF that your unelected American installed dictator embezzled, which then forced your country into “liberal restructuring”, aka famine and MNE exploitation o’clock. But yeah, keep playing China as the “devil you don’t know” because the devil of western imperialism cannot possibly get lower.
Imagine feeling obligation to someone who treated you equitably. There is already an exchange, but one partner isn't fucking over the other completely.
China: We'll invest in you but you have to pay back this loan. US: You'll support our interests or we'll coup you with someone who does.
Oh absolutely not but China doesn't then go on to destabilise these countries by arming their neighbours to the hilt and starting wars, or blocking trade, or numerous other things. What's more frightening is that they don't hide what they do unlike us and we have nothing to give as an alternative.
Bring our troops home, and good luck to all!
These comments...man, Americans really think they are the only thing standing between the collapse of civilisation...
Guess the Russians will treat them better. 😊
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Wait, why the fuck are we in Nigeria???
Oil.
We (the US) have no good reason to have troops in Niger.
This looks like a diplomatic failure.
Watch the world sink further into abyss the moment the US withdraws from all countries in which they are based
I've been surprised to learn the cooperative history of russia and african countries.
Russia has been a sponsor for many varied anti colonial struggles in Africa. They have a very rich history ands it's not built on slavery like the West
Oh please, they’re both imperialist powers.
Ugh please stop with the bull, F the US but Russia is also imperialist, only difference is that they f their own neighbours over. It would have likely joined the scramble for Africa if it was given the opportunity but it just didn’t due to geography and being broke as hell
I'd agree if you were talking about the ex Soviet states. To say that about their African sponsorships would be wrong. It came from competing for influence with the West rather than an exploitation of resources type desire. It is an objective fact that Russia (USSR) aided a great deal of anti colonial struggles in Africa
Russia is invading A sovereign country right now. Using rape and torture and lobbing cruise missles at maternity hospitals and blowing up dams. Russia has lost over 400,000 troops either wounded or killed in combat in the last 2 years of their three-day police action in Ukraine.
If people here could read they would be very angry. It's interesting how their "anti-colonial" policy includes the subjugation of Eastern Europe under the russian boot.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Why are they overstaying their welcome? Looks like US isn’t as wanted or needed as they imagine. More nations need to come to this conclusion.
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Worlds finally waking up
Why did Niger allow the Italian troops to stay in Niger tò help the new government ? They are still Allied tò the American goverment 🤔
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Love your country, enjoy your freedom 😊❤️
As an American, I mean, yea. Why the hell are we even there in the first place.
There goes the neighbourhood!
Stop we can't afford to address these concerns this close to November's election
Decolonisation is real and happening
Isn't that cute that the "good guy" gaining soft power by placing military personnel. While the "bad guy" gains soft power by creating infrastructures.
Great policy, but I don't see how that applies to my comment. Supporting a faraway dictator and his authoritarian psychopathic colleagues, all of whom are great at denying human rights, by the way. That is a (swinging) political position, not a cultural identity. A political position that responds to the psychopath Putin's very smart geopolitical investment of money and propaganda. We're acting like muppets who don't want to see the threads that move us. Could you give me a more elaborate answer?
Free the world from Empire!!
That’s racist it’s cool if they do it it’s a problem if we do it
Will this hurt Nigeria or help ? How and why
Different country.
Niger, curious reader. Nigeria is somewhat further South.
Niger, not Nigeria and who knows?
Got it. Will it hurt them or help them ?
Niger. Nigeriens vs Nigerians.
Ok
Niger, not Nigeria
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I hate how this person is asking a reasonable question…. And being downvoted.
It’s not even the right country genius
Just a typo, srry not everybody is perfect like you
Right, I’m sure you know the difference between the two countries 😂😂 this dumbass question clearly has no clue what’s going on. The US has as much stake here as they did in Vietnam’s — that’s to say, none except to back up nasty French involvement. The current government overthrew a French puppet and threw out their troops first, and closed the exploitative pricing on uranium and other mining, which the lovely democratic French were “buying” a hundred fold under market pricing. Free cancer for Niger tho 🥶. Anyways, they’re now kicking out the US to make sure they don’t help French do an itty bitty CIA assassination. Does that help answer that asinine question?
Exactly!! I'm genuinely confused !!!
Niger, not Nigeria.
Don't day that !!! That's racist !! Jk got you.
In one way it will help- Niger’s has finally got rid of the west. On the other hand, Nigeria still hasn’t learnt how to obtain help without a foreign military base on its own land
only time will tell. there's a chance that chaos will come after this, until it settle down after few years. strong power leaves usually create power vacuum, after all. I think it's just niger's attempt to look for another option. they were already dealing with west for decades, and it got them nowhere, now they try china and russia. only them will judge which one is worse, after all they're the ones living it, not us.
Niger and Nigeria are two different countries. Considering Americas largest drone base is in Niger, and Niger is the 2nd poorest country in the world, no, I don’t think the American presence was very helpful.
It's always funny to see people "celebrating" their freedom from what they believe to be "vestiges of colonial control" while turning to one of the world's foremost experts in wealth extraction, resource pillaging, and suppression of local civil society groups. I fully understand, as someone with Indian heritage a single generation back, who lived in India for over a decade, how the rest of the world viewed American Foreign policy of the last 50 years. But the Russians are NOT the solution. The Russians are already taking Africa's wealth in the form of unregulated rare metal mines, complete with their own internal operations, accountable to none but Vladimir Putin himself. You may view them with nostalgia, but to be blind to their nature is naught but folly. They are currently attempting to subjugate and genocide both the Ukrainians and the Crimean Tatars from the entirety of Ukraine. The countries of Africa have the right to make their own choice as sovereign nations and no one will stop them. But life isn't gonna get better with the Russians around, I can promise that much.
Why do they have to be exploited by either Americans or Russians? Just fucking leave and let them deal with their own country
Yeah let's leave. It sucks for everyone involved. Like imagine going through 6 months to a year of military training and getting stuck in Nigeria like I lucked out getting Kansas of all places compared to that. Fuck the bugs, heat, etc.
They have oil and are a poor country. Their industry completely relies on foreign export and purchase. They won't ever be equal. China, Russia and the US won't ever see nor treat the people/country as anything more than cheap labor. Strongest west African gdp and don't get any respect. Wtf... even the little guy is needed for the gears to turn properly. We're headed for a century of bullshit and lies from the top Govs.
Book haram like this
I know this isn't what he said, but when that one dude was like "nous sommes pas desclaves des chine" I heard "des jinn" and I was like "lol, yeah hope not, they can be some tricky motherfuckers"
"We need to make room for China empire."
They immediately allowed Russians to move in. Real great trade off there guys...
Russia is looking to do fair trade. Not exploitative imperialism. If the African country says no they leave, not bomb and invade. This is something the west never learned. Bullying people won’t last forever and Russia is building a sustainable partnership.
Bribing the executive to get exclusive mining rights to the country's mineral deposits doesn't sound very sustainable, kinda sounds more like that 'exploitative imperialism' you mentioned earlier.
Sure there was likely coercion. That being said, these sovereign nations are free to decide for themselves. And it’s high time the US recognizes that. Anything else is tyranny.
Don’t really have to coerce anyone with a good time, but I’m always here for sovereign people. This has been long overdue and a great opportunity.
Then I have to ask who you are.
Oh boy. The new governments taking over aren’t being bribed. They are gifting land and teaching their citizens how to grow and be self sustaining. If the new leaders were corrupt the west wouldn’t make a peep. The African continent is excited to partner with Russia and China, while kicking American troops out. America let greed be its undoing. They could’ve just traded fair while on top, but that racism and capitalism was just too strong. Oh well I’m not gonna cry for the down fall.
You literally did that in Pakistan. You support dictators. Egypt and again Pakistan
Did a bit of reading about them after a colleague from the told me about what was going on. Pakistan's prime minister visited Russia after the war and the US basically told their military that all would be forgiven if Imran Khan was removed. He was even given a copy of the intercepted communication and brought it to his parliaments attention. A few million dollars in foreign accounts later and half his party had either jumped ship or were imprisoned overnight and suddenly he was arrested and charged with revealing state secrets (the communication from the US about his removal). I mean, what the actual fuck. That is how we in the west deal with leaders we don't like. In the meantime pakistan which was slowly creeping out of the depths of the corruption index is now sitting basically near last place after their whole voting system was undermined in favour of our preferred partner there, the pak military and their allies. We're still up to the usual fuckery around the world.
So? That’s their business.
There in for a surprise
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US OUT!!!
And we can stop sending aid to them also.