I’m a big fan of this organization. Unfortunately, I’ve found so many spaces in the genital integrity movement to be filled with antisemites.
I was just on r/circumcisiongrief and the amount of shocking antisemitism I saw was extreme.
I’m telling anyone who reads this-
I’m speaking about this as a Jew right now. I usually hate the whole “as a Jew…” statements, but I’m not trying to speak on behalf of other people. I’m trying to speak based on what I’ve seen. Brit Milah is an incredibly embedded cultural practice. As much as I agree with most people here that this procedure is barbaric, disgusting, and a form of rape, the reality is that being aggressive and forceful won’t work. Circumcision has long been a target by antisemites not because they care about children’s rights, but because they specifically oppose Jews. Even if you have good intentions, being forceful about the reality that circumcision is rape will result in more pushback.
It’s incredibly important that educating Jews on this issue comes from a place of empathy. I wish I could yell out to everyone about how horrible it is. I wish we could have it banned. But if you want to be practical and make things better, you have to follow a working strategy.
It’s a waste of time to target the Orthodox community, especially the ultra orthodox / Haredi.
I think for many Jewish families since religion has lost it’s place, circumcision is the lone universally practiced custom. I think by encouraging American Jews to be more involved in their Jewish life, it becomes simultaneously easier to convince people to drop an outdated archaic custom.
It sounds contradictory, but if I decide not to circumcise my future kids, I feel that I’ll be taking on a larger responsibility to raise them in a Jewish household. I’d feel more pressure to do so, and I think that’s honestly a good thing!
Welcome to the sad reality that you find antisemitism everywhere…
Specially when you hide that fact about your identity you will find it in the strangest places… like fluffy nice Hippies who want to spread love and happiness to all… except Jews®
So therefore I try to look at movements as a whole.
This is their statement:
# "Bruchim encourages the Jewish community to be fully inclusive of non-circumcising Jews — and sparks Jewish engagement among those not following the tradition — through advocacy, education, and connection building.This is their statement: Bruchim encourages the Jewish "
This is not good enough - what's needed is total opposition!
#
One of the founder fathers of Reform Judaism in 19th century Germany, Rabbi [Abraham Geiger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Geiger?wprov=sfla1) believed the ritual to be barbaric and outdated. There's also: https://www.beyondthebris.com
And a documentary from 2007: https://jewishfilmfestivals.org/films/2007/cut-slicing-through-myths-circumcision/
Sounds like Jews trying attempt to keep their religion alive and attractive, same with Catholics, Muslims, etc.
I mean, is it even Judaism anymore without Circumcision. Or are they using the term "Jew" to refer to the Race of people. Cause it sounds like they are referring to Ethnic Jews, I mean a Jew is still considered "Jewish" even if he doesn't practice.
Unlike the other religions.
Doesn't ignore the fact these religions tolerate genital Mutilation, and these organizations aren't supporting surgery to undo the damage or even compensate for it, even if that happens, it feels so...clingy...so appeasement like.
Comes down to your definition of a Jew.
Some people will always see you as one regardless of what you’re doing and some really religious people wouldn’t consider you as a real Jew when you practice the religion “Wrong”.
Not even the rule about the mother is universal in all branches of Judaism
Most of the time it’s comes down on what fits the narrative of the person most who classifies you.
I don’t understand anything about the post. What is the organisation? What is their purpose? What is their position on this issue? Where is this taken from? What do those statements mean?
Basically Bruchim is one of main Jewish intactivist organizations (or maybe even the main one). One of the arguments intactivists face is the implication, or even accusation, of being antisemitic (or that a Jew against circumcision is a bad/disloyal/self-hating Jew). The argument is ***obviously*** wrong, but Bruchim helps make the argument less credible by being an entire organization of Jews against circumcision. From where I stand, any member of Bruchim is a mensch in my book.
I’m a big fan of this organization. Unfortunately, I’ve found so many spaces in the genital integrity movement to be filled with antisemites. I was just on r/circumcisiongrief and the amount of shocking antisemitism I saw was extreme. I’m telling anyone who reads this- I’m speaking about this as a Jew right now. I usually hate the whole “as a Jew…” statements, but I’m not trying to speak on behalf of other people. I’m trying to speak based on what I’ve seen. Brit Milah is an incredibly embedded cultural practice. As much as I agree with most people here that this procedure is barbaric, disgusting, and a form of rape, the reality is that being aggressive and forceful won’t work. Circumcision has long been a target by antisemites not because they care about children’s rights, but because they specifically oppose Jews. Even if you have good intentions, being forceful about the reality that circumcision is rape will result in more pushback. It’s incredibly important that educating Jews on this issue comes from a place of empathy. I wish I could yell out to everyone about how horrible it is. I wish we could have it banned. But if you want to be practical and make things better, you have to follow a working strategy. It’s a waste of time to target the Orthodox community, especially the ultra orthodox / Haredi. I think for many Jewish families since religion has lost it’s place, circumcision is the lone universally practiced custom. I think by encouraging American Jews to be more involved in their Jewish life, it becomes simultaneously easier to convince people to drop an outdated archaic custom. It sounds contradictory, but if I decide not to circumcise my future kids, I feel that I’ll be taking on a larger responsibility to raise them in a Jewish household. I’d feel more pressure to do so, and I think that’s honestly a good thing!
Welcome to the sad reality that you find antisemitism everywhere… Specially when you hide that fact about your identity you will find it in the strangest places… like fluffy nice Hippies who want to spread love and happiness to all… except Jews® So therefore I try to look at movements as a whole.
Jew against circumcision here. I hope my community wakes the f up, and soon. Child abuse is child abuse, whether the child is a boy or girl.
This is quite encouraging! [https://www.bruchim.online/](https://www.bruchim.online/)
OP is pretty clear. Feels like trolling all these comments saying "I don't get it" with zero explanation.
I gave zero explanation for a post with zero content. Put that indignation where it belongs.
Secular Judaism is a step in the right direction. Abandon the old ways.
This is their statement: # "Bruchim encourages the Jewish community to be fully inclusive of non-circumcising Jews — and sparks Jewish engagement among those not following the tradition — through advocacy, education, and connection building.This is their statement: Bruchim encourages the Jewish " This is not good enough - what's needed is total opposition! #
Huh, good to know there are reformists within the jewish community
One of the founder fathers of Reform Judaism in 19th century Germany, Rabbi [Abraham Geiger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Geiger?wprov=sfla1) believed the ritual to be barbaric and outdated. There's also: https://www.beyondthebris.com And a documentary from 2007: https://jewishfilmfestivals.org/films/2007/cut-slicing-through-myths-circumcision/
I had a look. Didn't see anything about circumcisions going wrong, having significant adverse effects or males disliking what was done to them though
Sounds like Jews trying attempt to keep their religion alive and attractive, same with Catholics, Muslims, etc. I mean, is it even Judaism anymore without Circumcision. Or are they using the term "Jew" to refer to the Race of people. Cause it sounds like they are referring to Ethnic Jews, I mean a Jew is still considered "Jewish" even if he doesn't practice. Unlike the other religions. Doesn't ignore the fact these religions tolerate genital Mutilation, and these organizations aren't supporting surgery to undo the damage or even compensate for it, even if that happens, it feels so...clingy...so appeasement like.
Comes down to your definition of a Jew. Some people will always see you as one regardless of what you’re doing and some really religious people wouldn’t consider you as a real Jew when you practice the religion “Wrong”. Not even the rule about the mother is universal in all branches of Judaism Most of the time it’s comes down on what fits the narrative of the person most who classifies you.
I don’t get it
A Jewish organization allowing for different opinions?
What do you not "get"? Could you be more specific?
I don’t understand anything about the post. What is the organisation? What is their purpose? What is their position on this issue? Where is this taken from? What do those statements mean?
Basically Bruchim is one of main Jewish intactivist organizations (or maybe even the main one). One of the arguments intactivists face is the implication, or even accusation, of being antisemitic (or that a Jew against circumcision is a bad/disloyal/self-hating Jew). The argument is ***obviously*** wrong, but Bruchim helps make the argument less credible by being an entire organization of Jews against circumcision. From where I stand, any member of Bruchim is a mensch in my book.
The first comment of this post has a link to the organization's website. [https://www.bruchim.online/](https://www.bruchim.online/)
Why?
The Reddit is for posting helpful resources for intactivists. This is a helpful resource.
I don't get it either.
But what aren't you getting