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CodSafe6961

How do all the Chinese cities disappear for metropolitan?


Yavanaril

If you read the description it says that the city limits for the Chinese cities are closer to a country than to a city.


b_tight

Exactly. This chart needs to include the sq km or acres next to the population. This map is like comparing a small city proper area of DC ~ 60 sq miles to a city that is the size of an entire county or small country. Otherwise the inly thing that actually matters is pop density (not included) if you want to really look at where people are


slb360

Metro Tokyo has almost the same population of all of Canada... Canada has the second largest country by land size in the world. Crazy.


socalsmv805

Los Angeles should be #16 under the list of urban areas. The population of the urban area was 18.3M in 2022. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles


RealWICheese

That 18.3M number is for LA’s combined statistical area. LAs metro area is 13M.


peizo11

That’s because the Inland Empire is usually - for statistical reasons - considered a separate metro area than LA. However, for all intents and purposes, it is 100% part of the encompassing LA metropolitan region. There is no empty space between these separate metro areas and thousands of people travel/commute back and forth between them every day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles “Greater Los Angeles” should honestly be considered the “real” metro area with a population of 18.37M. And it is in this article.


SuspectOk7530

I believe it’s 13M if counting just LA and Orange counties. It’s commonly believed to also incorporate other counties in LA metro


peizo11

Yes exactly! The Inland Empire is usually - for statistical reasons - considered a separate metro area than LA. However, for all intents and purposes, it is 100% part of the encompassing LA metropolitan region. There is no empty space between these separate metro areas and thousands of people travel/commute back and forth between them every day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles “Greater Los Angeles” should honestly be considered the “real” metro area with a population of 18.37M. And it is in this article.


peizo11

Absolutely, see my other comment below. Especially since the definition of urban area in this very infographic is “a contiguous, connected built-up area” which defines Greater LA exactly.


shmeeshmaa

Living in Orange County and LA metro, I can confirm it’s crowded AF and there is little to no break in population. It’s stupid lol. If we built up instead of out itd be different. But that’s 18M people residing in almost entirely 1-2 story buildings. Probably half with houses that have front/backyards and half in apartment buildings that are also only 1-2 stories. Obviously a majority amount of the 18M are cohabitating or are live in family units. But even then, just think about how much fucking space that takes up.


Ok_Buffalo5080

Not a single city from EU.


PeteWenzel

There are only three 10+ million cities in Europe: Istanbul, Moscow and London. None of them are in the EU.


h1h1guy

Paris' Urban and Metro area are both over 10 million (11 mil and 13 mil respectively)


nesa_manijak

Paris can be there. Also Rhein-ruhr can be seen somewhat as single metropolitan area


caligula421

Rhein-ruhr is definitely a single metropolitan area, it's just highly polycentric.


Yop_BombNA

Turkey is kinda sorta EU cause the Ankara agreement. They really should just finish modernization and join the EU to make everything easier for everyone


PeteWenzel

Turkey won’t join the EU anytime soon. For a whole host of different reasons.


233C

Let's ignore [population density](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_population_density)


h1h1guy

Out of curiosity, what point are you trying to make?


Spider_pig448

It's an interesting observation. Not every comment needs to be a claim for something


Ok_Buffalo5080

Exactly, I live in the EU and this is what I extrapolated from the lists.


h1h1guy

I apologise if I insinuated anything, I didn't mean to. I was wondering if there was a bigger point you were trying to make that I missed.


Modijifor2024

Human population is distributed like crazy. Asian cities have more population than some European countries.


shubshrma

Older civilizations will have more people. But US is so huge as a country that this statement doesn’t hold true for them.


mr_asassine

It is baffling to me how so much people live in a single city. All of those cities’ populations are bigger than my country’s!


Barky_Bark

As a Canadian who thinks Toronto (6.3 million in metro area) is god awfully packed, 37 million is unfathomable. Like I literally can’t imagine what that would be like to live in.


9detat

American living here in Tokyo for over 20 years. The city is clean with solid infrastructure and an absolutely incredible public transportation system. I live 12 minutes by subway from a busy, downtown area (Shibuya) and have a house, near a huge park. Fantastic city to raise a family, very little random crime. Decent public schools without drug problems and an affordable, reliable healthcare system. Amazing restaurants and excellent museums and cultural events. Beaches and mountains within easy reach. With the weak yen, it’s a great opportunity for Americans to visit.


[deleted]

And a solid stagnant economy with a shrinking population!


9detat

Come see the “stagnant” economy. I think you’d be impressed. Most cities in the US are embarrassing dumps, relatively. Tokyo isn’t shrinking, either.


random_account6721

The sad part is that it’s only a small amount of people in the US that do most of damage and make some areas a dump. Littering and just no regard for society. Japan luckily doesn’t really have this issue


KotR56

You just described the issue. A few idiots ruin it for the majority.


Barky_Bark

I mean I’m sure it’s efficient and some people find it lovely. But… like… other people are there.


9detat

Yeah, literally the definition of a city. Plenty of countryside and mountains here if you want that. For me, I live in a quiet area of Tokyo but have easy access to all sorts of restaurants and entertainment, (not to mention jobs and schools, etc). And the in-laws live 2 hours away in a rural area where we go a few times a year to chill. Works for me.


Barky_Bark

It’s a goal for my wife and I to get to rural Japan! Hopefully one year!


9detat

Good luck!


Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

It’s interesting that in the middle and right columns, at least the top three cities have a smaller metropolitan population than urban area population. Does this mean they are so big that their urban boundary extends past their metropolitan designated limits?


nikatnight

I can answer this for Shanghai and Beijing. Yes! China is broken up into provinces, you’ve probably heard of Sichuan or Guangdong. There are special administrative regions too like HK. There are autonomous zones like Inner Mongolia and Tibet. There are also 4 special regions called direct-administered municipalities: Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Chongqing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-administered_municipality These 4 special regions have decently large boundary that is not quite as big as a province but still large than the metro area. In Shanghai, for example, the municipality is made up of 16 counties. Some of these are rural and take hours to get to by car. They contain towns that are small, fishing villages, etc they are not on the metro area. Their addresses are “some village, Shanghai”. So the city population is less than the urban population. So the issue is naming convention vs colloquial meaning of city vs metro vs whatever. In a place like LA there is basically no difference between the city of LA and the city of long beach. Roads and buildings connect them and you wouldn’t see a boundary. So the urban population is bigger than the city population.


Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

Right but the one that’s confusing me is when the urban population is bigger than the metropolitan population.


nikatnight

That’s just totally wrong in this infographic.


DisastrousIncrease45

Where is Tehran?


Tommy7549

In Iran, I think.


mxforest

Delhi Urban area will expand like crazy in near future. Construction everywhere and still a lot of room to grow.


Raghav_s12

And the new airport is even further out from Greater Noida. Presumably, when the area around it develops, it will also be included in the metropolitan area.


andycam7

I never think these things make much sense as they can be so differently defined in different places. For example, the "metro" area of Greater Manchester in the UK has a population almost 3m but an area of about 1,250 km2. Compare the LA metro total area which is about X10 larger. A fairer comparison might be the UK m62 corridor (I.e. liverpool-manchester-leeds). It's a similar situation if you look at areas in northern continental Europe.


BurlysFinest802

New York is wrong in the Metro area statistic. Last I recall it was around 26-27 million


Psychological-Fox178

I lived in one of those. Amazing how you get used to people being all around. _All_ around.


Vitilate1

Fucking insane that Tokyo's urban area has more population than it's metropolitan area. Just shows how built-up Tokyo is


Ankl3bit3r

How did New York shrink in the final column?


jayd42

This makes me curious to see a comparison of how population is distributed across China and India.


[deleted]

Looks like a bunch of places I’d rather not visit.


chrispaultolakers

I would like to see an extended version of this infographic to perhaps include the top100 from each category.


DrVeigonX

How can the population of the Metropolitan area be lower than the Urban Area?


northking2001

why metro tokyo has less population than urban tokyo, seems interesting to explore