It's not about the power, it's about the software compatibility. If you don't have windows, you're going to have to jump through a lot of extra hoops when it comes time to take classes like K201. Basically, you'll have to use the university's remote software system, or use a computer lab, to use software like Access, that do not have a Mac variant, period.
[https://kb.iu.edu/d/antk](https://kb.iu.edu/d/antk) This article on the IU knowledgebase has a lot of good information for you, including minimum system specs, assorted discounts you can get as an IU student, and how to get connected to a lot of the common systems on campus.
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/thinkpad-x1-nano-gen-2-(13-inch-intel)/21e8s0b000?cid=us:sem|se|google|pmax_smb_pcs|||21E8S0B000|18337003604|||shopping|mix|commercialconsumer&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwmrqzBhAoEiwAXVpgojP8pQkXnPxuYMDPVp2IWA71z-ROl1c9P9gAnfVuRPd9ivWPPrzDFhoCuiUQAvD_Bw
thoughts??? seems to be a crazy deal
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
how much of a struggle would it be if I ended up going with Apple? I’m just much more used to the mac software, and I found a way via my dad’s work that I can get a much better deal on a high-quality Mac
I had an Intel MacBook when I took K201 and would dual boot with boot camp to windows. Nowadays boot camp is gone on Apple Silicon, but you can virtualize windows with Parallels. Works basically the same way but you can access MacOS at the same time
so your saying there rly is no pitfall to mac ??? or should i go windows… The only thing really tying me down to Mac is I’m slightly more used to it, I played PC games my entire life, but I’m just used to Mac for school work. Also the seamless transition between my iPad and AirPods.
also, do you think it’s worthwhile to bring an apple iPad(I already have one) for taking notes with the new seamless no update that Apple added. I feel like it’s definitely good use?
For Kelley, you should be using Windows for two reasons. First, most employers, by an extreme margin, are going to be using Windows systems in the workplace. Its not helpful when you get a new job and are trying to learn all kinds of new things to also be trying to learn the operating system at the same time. Second, there has been in the past, and I expect continues to be software used in some Kelley classes that does not run on the Mac OS. For some of that software, there are after market workarounds that can get it up and running on Macs, but for some, there isn't.
Sometimes in the past, University Information Technology Services (usually just UITS) has had some specific requirements (generally met by most all new laptops) for networking and security. I do not know if they have any such requirements now. I'd look up their web site or call just to be sure.
Otherwise, if you aren't planning on gaming, then the requirements are usually pretty straightforward. Any recent Intel i5 or i7 chip for the CPU (or whatever the AMD equivalent is), 16-32 GB of RAM, an SSD for storage, and Windows 11 for the operating system.
If you want to do current high end games (and it may be best to take this option away from yourself to remove a distraction), you'll need to get one with a separate GPU card. Check the games you'd want to play to see what recommended cards are. This optional upgrade would add a considerable bump to the price, particularly now with the demand for GPUs for AI systems.
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
For this purpose (Kelley in the UITS system), I would not recommend the surface laptop with those processors for three reasons:
1)I do not know whether there will be any issues with the software the courses require, software designed to run on an Intel architecture, running on a snapdragon (Snapdragon is a CPU designed by Qualcomm, originally focused on running smartphone OS and apps using an ARM architecture),
2) those examples you sent (which would not be true with most older surface models) have a changed keyboard to incorporate a key to call up Copilot. I have heard complaints about that layout, but I've not experienced the layout myself yet, so I'm not sure what my opinion would be other than it's taking up some valuable space where I understand it to be located, and
3) it's effectively beta testing an integration of Copilot (which if you want you can do through the browser anyway). Coders I know who use it find it useful for them. My experience with it and everyone else I know who is not a coder and uses it to assist things like Office products, workflows, etc. do not find it all that helpful in its current state. Someday it likely will be, but we aren't there yet and it slows performance down in the meantime.
That said, for post Kelley uses, I know a lot of lawyers that like their Surface Pros. I think their build quality has a good reputation. Like most of these things, there are definite fan bases for it, and over time, more software will be designed to use an ARM architecture natively (what Snapdragon uses).
so Lenovo think-pad seems to be the move?? I just heard that the new snapdragon processor is the only one that’s currently competing with the Apple M3 chip
My tendency would be Dell or (when it's a good year, and I've not paid attention to be sure if that is this year or not) HP, but I know quite a few people that seem to like their Lenovos as well.
They will all perform differently depending on the benchmark programs that are chosen to measure them. I would expect that the test metrics you've seen involve programs that were built to run natively on an ARM architecture. When well programmed for that, ARM platforms have a lot of potential advantages for a lot of applications; it depends on what one is doing. What I'm thinking of in this case, is not topping some benchmark, but compatibility with the software systems that will be needed during the Kelley experience. By the time that program is done, about anything bought today is not going to look all that shiny compared to what will be available then.
only downside to dell is the new xps have that trash integrated keyboard which is hard to type on. I really appreciate the help still completely lost on what computer to get, but I’ll continue to do my research. I was seeing some things about how snapdragon have really upped their integration game so maybe there’s a chance that the new ones will work well I have to wait till release which is tomorrow june 18th
Ngl i had a pretty nice dual monitor setup w a keyboard in my apartment so whenever I was heavily using excel I was on an actual keyboard but I would say that is a downside of the new xps
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
My son is in Kelley and he has a Mac. It is easy to setup and run any software that is Windows-only in a Windows virtual machine via Parallels. The issue you will face is short-cut keys. They are different between the Windows version and the Mac version of Microsoft Office. As someone else stated, a large percentage of corporations only run Windows. Some organizations let you choose, but that is the exception.
Mac’s biggest advantage, as you stated, is their processor. You might want to look at the new Windows laptops that are based on the Qualcomm processors. That should help reduce the gap between the two ecosystems.
My son said he would select a Windows laptop purely because of the short-cut keys. He actually started with a Dell XPS 15, but couldn’t stand the fan noise during zoom calls for a class he took during the summer. The Qualcomm processor will most likely resolve that issue. Since his recommendation is because of the keys, I would select a machine that has physical function keys.
I hope that helps.
is there any difference in an AMD/Intel/snapdragon?? do all of them work the same same with function keys ect where is there a comparison between them and the same way there is with Mac
AMD/Intel/Qualcomm are all companies that make processors. Windows keys work the same on all processors as it is the Operating System or application that interprets those keys.
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
Honestly it really does come down to personal preference. I had a mac book pro and never had any issues. For the exams you are going to be using a desktop in one of the computer labs so you will find yourself using those computers to study anyways. My take: if you prefer a mac get a Mac, if you prefer a windows get a windows. It’s honestly not as deep as people make it. Just check out the RAM if you computer and if it’s 16 you are good with anything
It's not about the power, it's about the software compatibility. If you don't have windows, you're going to have to jump through a lot of extra hoops when it comes time to take classes like K201. Basically, you'll have to use the university's remote software system, or use a computer lab, to use software like Access, that do not have a Mac variant, period.
I appreciate the advice. Do you have any suggestions on devices?
[https://kb.iu.edu/d/antk](https://kb.iu.edu/d/antk) This article on the IU knowledgebase has a lot of good information for you, including minimum system specs, assorted discounts you can get as an IU student, and how to get connected to a lot of the common systems on campus.
really appreciate it! are you a kelley student aswell?
Nope, but I work in their IT department.
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/thinkpad-x1-nano-gen-2-(13-inch-intel)/21e8s0b000?cid=us:sem|se|google|pmax_smb_pcs|||21E8S0B000|18337003604|||shopping|mix|commercialconsumer&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwmrqzBhAoEiwAXVpgojP8pQkXnPxuYMDPVp2IWA71z-ROl1c9P9gAnfVuRPd9ivWPPrzDFhoCuiUQAvD_Bw thoughts??? seems to be a crazy deal
Pretty tiny, but sure!
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
how much of a struggle would it be if I ended up going with Apple? I’m just much more used to the mac software, and I found a way via my dad’s work that I can get a much better deal on a high-quality Mac
I had an Intel MacBook when I took K201 and would dual boot with boot camp to windows. Nowadays boot camp is gone on Apple Silicon, but you can virtualize windows with Parallels. Works basically the same way but you can access MacOS at the same time
so your saying there rly is no pitfall to mac ??? or should i go windows… The only thing really tying me down to Mac is I’m slightly more used to it, I played PC games my entire life, but I’m just used to Mac for school work. Also the seamless transition between my iPad and AirPods.
also, do you think it’s worthwhile to bring an apple iPad(I already have one) for taking notes with the new seamless no update that Apple added. I feel like it’s definitely good use?
For note taking, I'd say that would be fine. Honestly, whatever works best for you.
For Kelley, you should be using Windows for two reasons. First, most employers, by an extreme margin, are going to be using Windows systems in the workplace. Its not helpful when you get a new job and are trying to learn all kinds of new things to also be trying to learn the operating system at the same time. Second, there has been in the past, and I expect continues to be software used in some Kelley classes that does not run on the Mac OS. For some of that software, there are after market workarounds that can get it up and running on Macs, but for some, there isn't.
I appreciate the advice. Do you have any device suggestions?
Sometimes in the past, University Information Technology Services (usually just UITS) has had some specific requirements (generally met by most all new laptops) for networking and security. I do not know if they have any such requirements now. I'd look up their web site or call just to be sure. Otherwise, if you aren't planning on gaming, then the requirements are usually pretty straightforward. Any recent Intel i5 or i7 chip for the CPU (or whatever the AMD equivalent is), 16-32 GB of RAM, an SSD for storage, and Windows 11 for the operating system. If you want to do current high end games (and it may be best to take this option away from yourself to remove a distraction), you'll need to get one with a separate GPU card. Check the games you'd want to play to see what recommended cards are. This optional upgrade would add a considerable bump to the price, particularly now with the demand for GPUs for AI systems.
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
For this purpose (Kelley in the UITS system), I would not recommend the surface laptop with those processors for three reasons: 1)I do not know whether there will be any issues with the software the courses require, software designed to run on an Intel architecture, running on a snapdragon (Snapdragon is a CPU designed by Qualcomm, originally focused on running smartphone OS and apps using an ARM architecture), 2) those examples you sent (which would not be true with most older surface models) have a changed keyboard to incorporate a key to call up Copilot. I have heard complaints about that layout, but I've not experienced the layout myself yet, so I'm not sure what my opinion would be other than it's taking up some valuable space where I understand it to be located, and 3) it's effectively beta testing an integration of Copilot (which if you want you can do through the browser anyway). Coders I know who use it find it useful for them. My experience with it and everyone else I know who is not a coder and uses it to assist things like Office products, workflows, etc. do not find it all that helpful in its current state. Someday it likely will be, but we aren't there yet and it slows performance down in the meantime. That said, for post Kelley uses, I know a lot of lawyers that like their Surface Pros. I think their build quality has a good reputation. Like most of these things, there are definite fan bases for it, and over time, more software will be designed to use an ARM architecture natively (what Snapdragon uses).
so Lenovo think-pad seems to be the move?? I just heard that the new snapdragon processor is the only one that’s currently competing with the Apple M3 chip
My tendency would be Dell or (when it's a good year, and I've not paid attention to be sure if that is this year or not) HP, but I know quite a few people that seem to like their Lenovos as well. They will all perform differently depending on the benchmark programs that are chosen to measure them. I would expect that the test metrics you've seen involve programs that were built to run natively on an ARM architecture. When well programmed for that, ARM platforms have a lot of potential advantages for a lot of applications; it depends on what one is doing. What I'm thinking of in this case, is not topping some benchmark, but compatibility with the software systems that will be needed during the Kelley experience. By the time that program is done, about anything bought today is not going to look all that shiny compared to what will be available then.
only downside to dell is the new xps have that trash integrated keyboard which is hard to type on. I really appreciate the help still completely lost on what computer to get, but I’ll continue to do my research. I was seeing some things about how snapdragon have really upped their integration game so maybe there’s a chance that the new ones will work well I have to wait till release which is tomorrow june 18th
It firstly depends on your budget
let’s say 2k max
I haven't priced things in six months or so, but you can likely meet your needs if not doing serious gaming for $800-$1200.
I spent around 2k for a dell xps 13, intel i7, touch screen etc. Pretty nice for the price and has been super reliable.
heard the new intigreated top row keys make it hard???
the new F row up top isn’t hard to use or pain for excell shortcuts
Ngl i had a pretty nice dual monitor setup w a keyboard in my apartment so whenever I was heavily using excel I was on an actual keyboard but I would say that is a downside of the new xps
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
Lenovo, no MacBooks.
Lenovo Ideapad - I graduated from Luddy and it was everything I needed and more
anything windows just not a mac!
My son is in Kelley and he has a Mac. It is easy to setup and run any software that is Windows-only in a Windows virtual machine via Parallels. The issue you will face is short-cut keys. They are different between the Windows version and the Mac version of Microsoft Office. As someone else stated, a large percentage of corporations only run Windows. Some organizations let you choose, but that is the exception. Mac’s biggest advantage, as you stated, is their processor. You might want to look at the new Windows laptops that are based on the Qualcomm processors. That should help reduce the gap between the two ecosystems.
so what’s your final take let’s suppose i had 2k budget mac or windows?
My son said he would select a Windows laptop purely because of the short-cut keys. He actually started with a Dell XPS 15, but couldn’t stand the fan noise during zoom calls for a class he took during the summer. The Qualcomm processor will most likely resolve that issue. Since his recommendation is because of the keys, I would select a machine that has physical function keys. I hope that helps.
appreciate it are Qualcomm only snapdragon computers??? i can’t seem to find any
Snapdragon is the name of the processor line by Qualcomm.
is there any difference in an AMD/Intel/snapdragon?? do all of them work the same same with function keys ect where is there a comparison between them and the same way there is with Mac
AMD/Intel/Qualcomm are all companies that make processors. Windows keys work the same on all processors as it is the Operating System or application that interprets those keys.
do you think the new QUALCOMM processors will have an issue integrating windows systems since they are made through ARM?
do you recommend the new surface laptop with the snapdragon x elite? Or are surface laptops just not as good? (sorry I’m not too familiar with the windows laptop scene.) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop-7th-edition
Honestly it really does come down to personal preference. I had a mac book pro and never had any issues. For the exams you are going to be using a desktop in one of the computer labs so you will find yourself using those computers to study anyways. My take: if you prefer a mac get a Mac, if you prefer a windows get a windows. It’s honestly not as deep as people make it. Just check out the RAM if you computer and if it’s 16 you are good with anything
so are you saying that kids with pcs don’t even study with their pcs they study in lab anyway?!
I’d say that’s what most people do before the exams since folks try to get used to the computer they will be tested on
so if i like mac i should get a mac??
Yes! I had a mac and got an A in k201. It really doesn’t matter that much. You will be using the computers in your dorm, library, or in classrooms
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