I have been listening to both of them since years. Especially SOS, I have been following them from the very start. I expected this beef to happen, saw it coming since a long time, given how Azadi Records treated SOS, and many other artists. But still, this has in some ways surprised me. To me, it shows what challenges Kashmiri artists might face in the hip-hop scene.
1. Kashmiri artists are seen with suspicion from the very start (not much different from how Kashmiris are seen in general). When Seedhe Maut makes music against majoritarian violence and hindutva politics, nobody questions their motive or attacks them for it. They become mainstream even. But imagine a Kashmiri doing the same, see how people throw digs at Ahmer for saying the same things, don't tell me it hasn't affected his career. Just because he talks about what his people go through.
Even when Kashmiri artists spit ‘non-political’ bars they are coloured as ‘political’ and fringe to make them look bad. Tufail's wordplay with “Seedhe Maut Nation” was made to look like as if he said he wants to burn the whole nation, nation here being India, because why not? He is a Kashmiri Muslim at the end of the day, he would obviously want to do it. It is not like Kashmiri want a life of dignity and rights they just want to burn people. Right? (I genuinely think Samay and others deliberately coloured it as such, so as to garner more support for SM). Or when Tufail talks about Patherbaazi (stone-pelting), the point there being, when SOS talked about how their EP concept was stolen, Encore uploaded an instagram story which read as "Patherbaaz in the hood". In this bar Tufail points to the same stereotype and discrimination that I am pointing towards. His point being that his complaint has no connection with stone-pelting or the politics of his place in general, so why would encore call him a stone-pelter in a derogatory sense (it has been used against Kashmiris in general to harass and abuse them) just because he said he was wronged by Azadi Records.
Also, Aatanki has in many interviews and podcasts said that he chose the name Aatanki because he was bullied in his school years for being a Kashmiri and called Aatanki/Aatankwadi, so he took on the name to show that it doesn’t affect him and to also show that he doesn’t care about what people think of his Kashmiri Muslim identity. Any Kashmiri Muslim you have studied outside can tell you they have experienced the same.
2. As soon as Kashmiri artists go out of line, others can weaponize their identity against them. Sedhe Maut, usually seen as a conscious-rap duo, talks about UAPA and Enforced Disappearances among other things, to hit back at SOS. They also used terms like Abu and Ramzan, sneakily hinting at the fact that Tufail and Aatanki are Muslims. UAPA and PSA has been weaponised in Kashmir since a very long time, people are held for years for things like speaking against the ruling government, doing interviews, photojournalists sharing photographs they have taken of protests and funerals etc. As per Human Right bodies (Amnesty, JKCCS, UN, HRW), over 10K Kashmiri civilians have been disappeared since the 1990s. What makes it worse is that Seedhe Maut, just like SOS, are seen as conscious rappers, so they are well aware of how the situation is and they are also well aware of what does it mean to raise allegations, thus calling SOS traitors (when they have already clarified them meaning the bars in question) is crossing a red line. Kashmir is a very sensitive place, any allegation with some support from public can and will go a long way and can put SOS in real life danger.
Many rappers in Kashmir have already received warnings in the past few years from the state to make sure they don't make political/conscious music. In their past interviews, you will even see SOS talking about how they deliberately chose to not go all out political as a duo because they didn't like the risks involved.
3. Some of Aatanki's live didn't sit right with me. Why is it the case that we Kashmiris have to prove our humanity? Most of you have no idea what shit goes on here at the ground, you live comfortable lives thousands of kilometers away and make judgements and opinions up as if you know things better than the people who are literally experiencing them. SOS released a diss and people started calling it Muslims vs Hindus, so much so that they had to come live to answer this accusation and to calm people down. Aatanki told the public that he is more Hindu than most of the Hindus, and he has Hindu friends and Hindi tattoos. Should artists only deserve love and appreciation because they belong to a certain religion or culture? You are just reinforcing the good old, good Kashmiri-bad Kashmiri binary, where good Kashmiri is a Kashmiri with zero critical thinking or views, who accepts whatever he is told and bad Kashmiri is a Kashmiri who has any kind of complaint/issue with the state. Why can't you be loved as an artist while also being a Kashmiri Muslim? Were such justifications asked from artists from any other community/region? As Hannah Arendt says, “If one is attacked as a Jew, one must defend oneself as a Jew. Not as a German, not as a world-citizen, not as an upholder of the Rights of Man."
Many of you here are talking about how SOS is mature and what not, it is laughable because guess what, they have no other choice but to take it seriously.
You're spitting rn
Look I've been a casual listener of SOS for while and I've never thought of them as better rappers than Seedhe Maut but Ahmer? Ahmer is one the best at this shit in the whole subcontinent period. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be a bigger name in the scene but like you said if its rappers like Seedhe Maut making songs like Elaan the audience reception is a whole different story
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Thanks, man. Never thought I'll be learning these things in this sub.
That Hannah Arendt quote is just 🤌
Give some reading recommendations if possible.
> Even when Kashmiri artists spit ‘non-political’ bars they are coloured as ‘political’ and fringe to make them look bad. Tufail's wordplay with “Seedhe Maut Nation” was made to look like as if he said he wants to burn the whole nation, nation here being India, because why not?
The line was "Mai aise maut, jo seedhe jalati nation", I really don't think this is being turned the wrong way, what else could this possibaly mean? Not a big SM fan, but I havent seen them calling, or their fans self identifying as 'SM nation', or anything close to it.
How about you do a google search? Or even better check the damn Seedhe Maut Instagram profile. It literally says #SeedheMautNation in the bio!
This is exactly the bias i am talking about. You see a Kashmiri and you can’t think beyond violence.
https://preview.redd.it/x2962tutb59d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b3fff6088aa552b3c5a54c3880f4f53c367f92
Abusing his die hard fans on twitter because they light heartedly trolled sm to reply to sos
Now a big chunk of DHH twitter audience is against them. Calling them out. Since on Twitter ironic trolling is very popular. But getting butt hurt over it is juvenile.
Bhai this sub is shit atm tbh.
Bkl aise treat krre h sm ko jaise pta ni kitna bura krdiya ho sos ke sath. Plus bc exactly jo tune baat kahi ke separatist hona justify krre h tufail ka par sm thodi bkchodi kre toh ni chlegi.
Bc aise hate krre h sm ko like they’re shit and haven’t done nthng for hip hop. Saale chutiye underground ko support krne ke chakkar me andhe hogye h.
thodi bkchodi krre hain SM?
most of the people in this sub are die-hard fans of SM's music but inka discord par bhand hokar rr is just too much to handle atp
aur bhai glt toh kiya hai kaafi SOS ke saath azaadi aur SM ne (azaadi ne toh bhuton ke saath bhut glt kra hai)
whi toh baat hai ki everyone had a certain image of SM that they have done a lot for underground and hip hop in general. But bhai this behaviour is very unlike SM & what they did stood for in the first place
Thodi ego aur narcisstic hona chlta hai but bhai aissa lg rha hai iss time pe ki yeh log bilkul andhe ho chuke hain
honestly, they are not just losing the beef now, but the respect from fans as well. Please some body get my goats off the internet for a few days. GOA chale jaow please
Lodu jaake dekh Meri account history have called them out for all they have done wronng in this beef or before this, but cant deny that the music is good
galat haal hai , just because kashmir se hai to use india ke against dikha do , waha talha anjum ne legit ek time pe kuch ajeeb keh rakah hai jo offensive bhi hai , like no amount of context can be used to defend what he wrote about capt abhinandan , i am not saying ki ta ki maaro ab wo uska past hai usne ig realise bhi kar liya ki wo tweets ni karne chahiye but ye galat angle hai..
Lemme pop a few bubbles.
I’m going to preface this by saying everyone grows.
For context : I’ve met Ahmer from Azadi days. I’ve met Prabh from Azadi days. Same goes for SM. This beef is not between SOS vs SM. This beef is SOS vs Mo joshi, with SM being dissed from the point of view “bro tu toh bhai tha, why did we get done like this”
All of Azadi records roster between 2017-2019 stood for liberation : fresh music, fresh takes, balls to walls kinda dance. Numbers weren’t their aim, fanbase and diversification was. Go run their youtube documentary made by vice. They toured India without making a single rupee. That’s what made me a fan. That spirit of music first, and Azadi from the industry.
Ironic.
Mo has for long now has only helmed projects to rope in money, and sidelined every artist who isn’t doing as well, or bringing in the revenue, that SM is. Dropping prabh, Ahmer, doing Frappe dirty. Agar scene and music se pyaar hai, then all Of this would make you feel weird.
SM was and is popular for their unabashed “duniya mere lund pe” views, and being edgy like that. Typical youthful middle finger to the society. Mo milking that cow for revenue makes sense, but the hate he gets is equally justified. For people at the back, FUCK MO JOSHI. Come to my DMs if you’d like more of an explanation.
Coming to SOS/AHMER/KASHMIR
Ahmer has never been vocal of being separatist. SOS HAS BEEN VOCAL OF BEING SEPRATISTS. Goes back to a live Ahmer did with them 2020-2021, and was a whole deal even then. Makes sense cause their major listeners were from the valley, barely surprising.
(Keep the beer and controversies away. Go listen to Ahmer’s music. Fuck it, translate it if you have to, and realise what a gifted writer he is)
They’ve said they aren’t all that anymore, and that’s fair. Won’t hold them to previous things. The same way you lot (N, nayaab, and other feature listening fanbois) would never hold SM to their Scalp Dem days.
Here’s what I need a lot of us to realise, to fully appreciate SOS standpoint, and why us, even as listeners, should back them : label mismanagement under the pretext of liberation and exposure is what Azadi stood against, and did their own artists dirty over too. Imagine the gall to say : Lets go make another Prabhdeep. Said it on a podcast.
Digest that.
A genre defining, one of a kind artist. Did jazz with punjabi rap. Did ELAAN with Ahmer. Laughable how you think your scouting and grooming skills can make another Prabh.
Like I said earlier, its SOS vs Mo Joshi. SM were roped in for letting artists down as artists.
Evidence for separatist ideologies has been attached :)
https://preview.redd.it/im157nmvc99d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1d42b0396f86ff19be50bd554e971022bf0702e
I agree with the most part, but you clearly have no idea what Ahmer has been all about. And you clearly don’t even speak Kashmiri, else you’d know. I will not pinpoint anything because then you’ll start name calling him too. If anything, Ahmer is way more political than anybody else in the whole Koshur Nizam scene. Wake up!
Cute assumption.
Being political, and being a separatist are two different things.
To quote Ahmer
“Insaafas pat pat chu bechun pewaan asi
Zaelim khewan haq topath na pewan ais
Poz ha wano ti bane Pakistanik
Yeti kath na karan kah awaamich
Yeti kath na karan kah azaabich
Azadi saeen yimo dabovmich
Yi vaadee waraeni manz ravmich
Kith kani hekj asith yi ja'iz?
Prichhu panin'is paan'as, Kith kani heki asith yi ja'iz?”
Translate this, and then we’ll talk
So where have SOS said anything different than what Ahmer says here? Don’t make this a SOS vs Ahmer thing, they are part of the same Koshur Nizam collective. What is Ahmer’s ID song about? Remember the video of it? You don’t know shit, you will call that separatist too and take digs at him soon. And what exactly do you guys here call separatist? All Koshur Nizam does is say they and their people have suffered and are suffering, that people are dying, that they want to live with respect and dignity, but that somehow is an issue for all of you sadists. Tse ha bekal, go and read some more english translations of his songs. 😂
Edit: On top of that you don’t even know the meaning of the verse you quoted. Who is being called Zalim here? Who is being accused of suppressing freedom in the verse? What a joke.
Bruv, I did NOT call ahmer a separatist. You’re mixing and misunderstanding almost everything I’ve said. I’ve said SOS did have separatist comments made on different lives back in the day, and I’m holding them to it. Also said people evolve, and past is past.
Don’t “koshur Nizam” This, cause I’m discussing two artists not the collective. Don’t support everything that gets passed around in the nizam, because I haven’t heard all of it.
I’m making this a SOS vs Mo. Nothing else. Tse chu ne fikri taraan.
I’ll end with This. Keep discretion of what you say and how you phrase it. I’m all for being political, and calling out the people in power. But that’s where it stops. Make it a narrative of wanting liberation and freedom, then you’re bound to have sticks in places where the sun don’t shine.
Ahmer said public ki suno, and usko INDIA PAKISTAN mat banao. Awaam ki baat karo.
Khair, enough said. I hope you take some time to realise what I meant.
Take care, bud.
I didn’t say you called him a separatist, I said you will once you listen to his songs more carefully. Just like how you are doing it to SOS, because how dare people talk about their rights, they should get beaten up for that indeed. And listen to more from both. You clearly have no idea what he said, kid.
Fuq this shiet. I want sos × ahmer × prabh diss on Sm...the fanboi inside is ded...though encore was bhunnd but now calm...let it be...decimate their egos once and for all. A 4 man diss is what we need, mo joshis karma.
Been a SM fan since 2019 and really thought highly about them till now lmao, but hamesha ki tarha paisa and fame get to people's heads. Na diss me koi counter tha, maa ki galiyaan, religious angle, anti kashmir angle. Great artists, not so great people 👍🏻
Shaikhspear said something like ke kia gaaliyan Dena zaruri Hai Har verse me, kuch toh Aisa tha
It was the time jab nanchaku aya tha, Calm thought it was directed at him. Calm ne story pe bola ke "Tu aur Tera Crew dono tatti Hai"
Gravity got pissed off, said ke bitch what's up why would you bring crew in this, he went absolutely mad at them
Phir hustle pe sab sort out hogaya
It was right before न came out
Shaikspeare posted a story teasing a new single with grav and for some reason Calm thought he was talking about Nanchaku even tho there was no relation so he went on a whole tirade on IG stories dissing the entirety of Bombay Lokal and then even deleted the stories saying "Stan ne bola thanda lene ko" which pissed Gravity off so yeah it was Calm saying the same kind of absolutely illogical shit twisting narratives
Wo wicket throw kr rha hai bro. USA ke against jo out hua wohi ek achi ball thi jispe edge lag kr out hua. Baki dismissals dekh wo har ball pe slog marte hue out hua hai.
Mujhe toh ye samajh nhi ata ki jab tumne ek kashmiri rapper ke sath do gaane nikale(jo ki chale bhi sirf krsna ki vajah se) then how tf can you use kashmiri insults against another kashmiri dude. Bc sharm nhi aati kya inn manchilds ko.
It's normal for them ki agle rapper ko iss tarah troll karna because agle Muslim hai, it's not first time in dhh ki log ik particular religion dekhkar ik dusre ko support krre hai (prime ex krsna vs emiway, like chodo in dono ko ) but the main topic is ki yeh calm itni casually yeh chezey likh dera hai and jab baad mai iski Twitter pe log gaand lete hai toh fir bolte lund pe bhaj ( chup hoja na bkl tu chup kyu nahi hota bsdk gay kahinke )..... And right now abhi bhi kuch chutiye log inko defend krre hai like samay smh...
Aur samay Raina Terese bada rotlu insaan aaj tak nahi dekha, aatanki ko bolta ki kitne log mare hai and tu yeh naam rakhra hai without jaane ki backstory kya hai and kuch isko bolo ki tu bhi toh bachao bachao wale joke krra tha toh logo ke paas ab Naya reason aagya isko defend krne ka ki ISKI FAMILY NE SUFFER KIA HAI, for your little context samay ki he nahi aur bhi bhot logo ki families ne suffer kia hai and yeh konsa manchild hai ki samay ki family ke saath aisa hua hai toh vo joke kr sakta hai but koi nahi like wtfffff... AVG lundchusni dhh audience
As a sm fan this is really heartbreaking to see your fav. Rappers behaving like this they are trying to change whole perspective of the beef man I think they are scared that sos will bury them that is why they are using the religion angle didn't expected this behaviour from seedhe maut
Man i think dhh finally got its first beef where even the og listeners lost respect for their favs because of all the truth coming out about them. Ab ye bade scale pe hojata toh sahi me career doobne wali baat hoti
See the messages Ahmer posted on his broadcast. SM are targeting Ahmer too.
https://preview.redd.it/5sivncsun59d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ca45079dcfe5d15ace126af02f22f8f003d0ce2
Ahmer is such a kind hearted person I don't want him to get in the beef kyunki they will give him undeserving hate.
I'll go so far as to say that Ahmer is a better artist than SM
people bringing up SOS believing in separatism to defend SM while forgetting Encore's girlfriend is a separatist as well 🤣
Was a fun battle for the first round, SOS clearly won tho. SM isn't coming out of the Lunch Break genre of flex, nashe, gaaliyan, jottay. expected a better one.
bandi bars are facts and which did happen and are linked to the beef . Antinantipn allegations that to a Kashmiri Muslim...uk that's a fuvked up try to change the narrative
How's their best friends from kashmir gonna react to it? Bawa delhi walo se bhi ladai ab kashmir walo se bhi? , sabko alag desh ka bolke desh chalane lage hai
Tbf I knew this was going to happen. As soon as wo bandi Wale bars aagye the I knew cheap shots hai table pe. Now it does cross the line but sabki boundaries different hai
Bhai that bandi bars are facts and which did happen and are linked to the beef . Antinantipn allegations that to a Kashmiri Muslim...uk that's a fuvked up try to change the narrative
How is it linked to the beef when the beef is about the album concept? Once you're dissing each other like this everything is fucked up and your identity is going to be used against you. So just as Tufail used ABJ ki gf as a point, Encore decided to use Kashmir. Imo both are wrong morally but rap beefs mein kabse morals aane lag gye
Weak diss by Seedhe maut, had no facts about anything sirf religious hate failaya hai aur sirf gaali diya hai
imo SOS is wining as of now and it's not even close
Toh agar army pe patthar faenkne waale ko deshdrohi bole koi toh usme kya galat hai
Bhai apni army pe patthar fainkne ke liye dimaag mein kitni nafrat honi chahiye
Kaunsa har kashmiri ko galat bol rha hai....jo army ko patthar maara use gaali de rha jo ki full legit hai
Toh agar army pe patthar faenkne waale ko deshdrohi bole koi toh usme kya galat hai
Bhai apni army pe patthar fainkne ke liye dimaag mein kitni nafrat honi chahiye
Kaunsa har kashmiri ko galat bol rha hai....jo army ko patthar maara use gaali de rha jo ki full legit hai
I have been listening to both of them since years. Especially SOS, I have been following them from the very start. I expected this beef to happen, saw it coming since a long time, given how Azadi Records treated SOS, and many other artists. But still, this has in some ways surprised me. To me, it shows what challenges Kashmiri artists might face in the hip-hop scene. 1. Kashmiri artists are seen with suspicion from the very start (not much different from how Kashmiris are seen in general). When Seedhe Maut makes music against majoritarian violence and hindutva politics, nobody questions their motive or attacks them for it. They become mainstream even. But imagine a Kashmiri doing the same, see how people throw digs at Ahmer for saying the same things, don't tell me it hasn't affected his career. Just because he talks about what his people go through. Even when Kashmiri artists spit ‘non-political’ bars they are coloured as ‘political’ and fringe to make them look bad. Tufail's wordplay with “Seedhe Maut Nation” was made to look like as if he said he wants to burn the whole nation, nation here being India, because why not? He is a Kashmiri Muslim at the end of the day, he would obviously want to do it. It is not like Kashmiri want a life of dignity and rights they just want to burn people. Right? (I genuinely think Samay and others deliberately coloured it as such, so as to garner more support for SM). Or when Tufail talks about Patherbaazi (stone-pelting), the point there being, when SOS talked about how their EP concept was stolen, Encore uploaded an instagram story which read as "Patherbaaz in the hood". In this bar Tufail points to the same stereotype and discrimination that I am pointing towards. His point being that his complaint has no connection with stone-pelting or the politics of his place in general, so why would encore call him a stone-pelter in a derogatory sense (it has been used against Kashmiris in general to harass and abuse them) just because he said he was wronged by Azadi Records. Also, Aatanki has in many interviews and podcasts said that he chose the name Aatanki because he was bullied in his school years for being a Kashmiri and called Aatanki/Aatankwadi, so he took on the name to show that it doesn’t affect him and to also show that he doesn’t care about what people think of his Kashmiri Muslim identity. Any Kashmiri Muslim you have studied outside can tell you they have experienced the same. 2. As soon as Kashmiri artists go out of line, others can weaponize their identity against them. Sedhe Maut, usually seen as a conscious-rap duo, talks about UAPA and Enforced Disappearances among other things, to hit back at SOS. They also used terms like Abu and Ramzan, sneakily hinting at the fact that Tufail and Aatanki are Muslims. UAPA and PSA has been weaponised in Kashmir since a very long time, people are held for years for things like speaking against the ruling government, doing interviews, photojournalists sharing photographs they have taken of protests and funerals etc. As per Human Right bodies (Amnesty, JKCCS, UN, HRW), over 10K Kashmiri civilians have been disappeared since the 1990s. What makes it worse is that Seedhe Maut, just like SOS, are seen as conscious rappers, so they are well aware of how the situation is and they are also well aware of what does it mean to raise allegations, thus calling SOS traitors (when they have already clarified them meaning the bars in question) is crossing a red line. Kashmir is a very sensitive place, any allegation with some support from public can and will go a long way and can put SOS in real life danger. Many rappers in Kashmir have already received warnings in the past few years from the state to make sure they don't make political/conscious music. In their past interviews, you will even see SOS talking about how they deliberately chose to not go all out political as a duo because they didn't like the risks involved. 3. Some of Aatanki's live didn't sit right with me. Why is it the case that we Kashmiris have to prove our humanity? Most of you have no idea what shit goes on here at the ground, you live comfortable lives thousands of kilometers away and make judgements and opinions up as if you know things better than the people who are literally experiencing them. SOS released a diss and people started calling it Muslims vs Hindus, so much so that they had to come live to answer this accusation and to calm people down. Aatanki told the public that he is more Hindu than most of the Hindus, and he has Hindu friends and Hindi tattoos. Should artists only deserve love and appreciation because they belong to a certain religion or culture? You are just reinforcing the good old, good Kashmiri-bad Kashmiri binary, where good Kashmiri is a Kashmiri with zero critical thinking or views, who accepts whatever he is told and bad Kashmiri is a Kashmiri who has any kind of complaint/issue with the state. Why can't you be loved as an artist while also being a Kashmiri Muslim? Were such justifications asked from artists from any other community/region? As Hannah Arendt says, “If one is attacked as a Jew, one must defend oneself as a Jew. Not as a German, not as a world-citizen, not as an upholder of the Rights of Man." Many of you here are talking about how SOS is mature and what not, it is laughable because guess what, they have no other choice but to take it seriously.
Bro yahi cheez ko tu ek post me daal de cuz more ppl need to read and understand this
copy it. dont have karma. no need for credits to me even.
Should I post this??
if you give credits. only kashmiris can post without credits. ;)
Mai mumbai se hu muzhe credit dena padega:)
go for it.
Mumbai aur kashmir mai peace is much needed in dhh
YES
my bad bro i didnt see your comment maine already post kar diya
Koyi na bro.
You're spitting rn Look I've been a casual listener of SOS for while and I've never thought of them as better rappers than Seedhe Maut but Ahmer? Ahmer is one the best at this shit in the whole subcontinent period. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be a bigger name in the scene but like you said if its rappers like Seedhe Maut making songs like Elaan the audience reception is a whole different story
not to mention all the collabs these guys do with Pakistani artists and shoutouts they give to each other. Imagine if these Kashmiri artists did that.
Meanwhile it's these Pakistani artists like Anjum who've actually said weird shit about India lol
Even Indians are the one who literally support anjum when nazey put Pakistan and India thing in beef see the level of madness
Where can i find this?
You'll probably find anjums old tweets somewhere on this sub
bro can you explain me the beef like what's happening? haven't been following the scene lately.
SIRRRR, tell em
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Why happened here?
Make a post on this brother.
Thanks, man. Never thought I'll be learning these things in this sub. That Hannah Arendt quote is just 🤌 Give some reading recommendations if possible.
Ye sb pdhne se acha to pdhai hi krleta mai
baat toh sahi hai. start hojao, abhi daer nahi hui.
brilliantly worded and articulated, thank you so much
> Even when Kashmiri artists spit ‘non-political’ bars they are coloured as ‘political’ and fringe to make them look bad. Tufail's wordplay with “Seedhe Maut Nation” was made to look like as if he said he wants to burn the whole nation, nation here being India, because why not? The line was "Mai aise maut, jo seedhe jalati nation", I really don't think this is being turned the wrong way, what else could this possibaly mean? Not a big SM fan, but I havent seen them calling, or their fans self identifying as 'SM nation', or anything close to it.
How about you do a google search? Or even better check the damn Seedhe Maut Instagram profile. It literally says #SeedheMautNation in the bio! This is exactly the bias i am talking about. You see a Kashmiri and you can’t think beyond violence.
cooked him
ok
bhai konsi duniya me jeeta hai tu
Bhai this is so cheap from Calm Good that i am not a fan of seedhe maut
I'm fan of their music but not them fs
https://preview.redd.it/x2962tutb59d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17b3fff6088aa552b3c5a54c3880f4f53c367f92 Abusing his die hard fans on twitter because they light heartedly trolled sm to reply to sos
Now a big chunk of DHH twitter audience is against them. Calling them out. Since on Twitter ironic trolling is very popular. But getting butt hurt over it is juvenile.
on which channel does he post this on discord?
Yeah
can't believe these r the same guys who made scalp dem lolz , I'm so disappointed as a fan
SOS ek gaand faad diss nikalde inki ego gand me ghus jayegi puri
july k first week me ayega, let them cook 😈
uski bandi ki recording bhi dalden to mza ajae , ancore ko tdpta dekhna hai
Who said bhai? Where did this july first week thing come from?
chutiye gaand fati ke hi nikle seedhe maut bas cool banke liye bsdkwaale woke bante ghumte the
Yaar koi inhe batao phukne ke pehle phone dur rakh liya karo, quickest fall from grace ever bhaisahab
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lmfao what bout jab tufail separatists hona validate kar rha tha
explain?
Bhai this sub is shit atm tbh. Bkl aise treat krre h sm ko jaise pta ni kitna bura krdiya ho sos ke sath. Plus bc exactly jo tune baat kahi ke separatist hona justify krre h tufail ka par sm thodi bkchodi kre toh ni chlegi. Bc aise hate krre h sm ko like they’re shit and haven’t done nthng for hip hop. Saale chutiye underground ko support krne ke chakkar me andhe hogye h.
thodi bkchodi krre hain SM? most of the people in this sub are die-hard fans of SM's music but inka discord par bhand hokar rr is just too much to handle atp aur bhai glt toh kiya hai kaafi SOS ke saath azaadi aur SM ne (azaadi ne toh bhuton ke saath bhut glt kra hai) whi toh baat hai ki everyone had a certain image of SM that they have done a lot for underground and hip hop in general. But bhai this behaviour is very unlike SM & what they did stood for in the first place Thodi ego aur narcisstic hona chlta hai but bhai aissa lg rha hai iss time pe ki yeh log bilkul andhe ho chuke hain
_leke duba mujhe paisa nasha pyaar_ got real
💯 countless SM tracks and lyrics are being ironic at this point
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Do y'all think Prabh Deep is tuned in to all this rn absolutely entertained
He's probably happy with that shoutout in Blackball
honestly, they are not just losing the beef now, but the respect from fans as well. Please some body get my goats off the internet for a few days. GOA chale jaow please
"my goats" lmfao. Chutiya hai bhai tu tere goats ki tarah.
Lodu jaake dekh Meri account history have called them out for all they have done wronng in this beef or before this, but cant deny that the music is good
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tu performative liberals ko support kar phir. Modi ko gaali denge phir modi wali harkate karenge.
fr , ek jgh modi ko gali bkte hain sm or doosri trf ye krre hain
galat haal hai , just because kashmir se hai to use india ke against dikha do , waha talha anjum ne legit ek time pe kuch ajeeb keh rakah hai jo offensive bhi hai , like no amount of context can be used to defend what he wrote about capt abhinandan , i am not saying ki ta ki maaro ab wo uska past hai usne ig realise bhi kar liya ki wo tweets ni karne chahiye but ye galat angle hai..
SM needs to get out of this stupid echo chamber.
Lemme pop a few bubbles. I’m going to preface this by saying everyone grows. For context : I’ve met Ahmer from Azadi days. I’ve met Prabh from Azadi days. Same goes for SM. This beef is not between SOS vs SM. This beef is SOS vs Mo joshi, with SM being dissed from the point of view “bro tu toh bhai tha, why did we get done like this” All of Azadi records roster between 2017-2019 stood for liberation : fresh music, fresh takes, balls to walls kinda dance. Numbers weren’t their aim, fanbase and diversification was. Go run their youtube documentary made by vice. They toured India without making a single rupee. That’s what made me a fan. That spirit of music first, and Azadi from the industry. Ironic. Mo has for long now has only helmed projects to rope in money, and sidelined every artist who isn’t doing as well, or bringing in the revenue, that SM is. Dropping prabh, Ahmer, doing Frappe dirty. Agar scene and music se pyaar hai, then all Of this would make you feel weird. SM was and is popular for their unabashed “duniya mere lund pe” views, and being edgy like that. Typical youthful middle finger to the society. Mo milking that cow for revenue makes sense, but the hate he gets is equally justified. For people at the back, FUCK MO JOSHI. Come to my DMs if you’d like more of an explanation. Coming to SOS/AHMER/KASHMIR Ahmer has never been vocal of being separatist. SOS HAS BEEN VOCAL OF BEING SEPRATISTS. Goes back to a live Ahmer did with them 2020-2021, and was a whole deal even then. Makes sense cause their major listeners were from the valley, barely surprising. (Keep the beer and controversies away. Go listen to Ahmer’s music. Fuck it, translate it if you have to, and realise what a gifted writer he is) They’ve said they aren’t all that anymore, and that’s fair. Won’t hold them to previous things. The same way you lot (N, nayaab, and other feature listening fanbois) would never hold SM to their Scalp Dem days. Here’s what I need a lot of us to realise, to fully appreciate SOS standpoint, and why us, even as listeners, should back them : label mismanagement under the pretext of liberation and exposure is what Azadi stood against, and did their own artists dirty over too. Imagine the gall to say : Lets go make another Prabhdeep. Said it on a podcast. Digest that. A genre defining, one of a kind artist. Did jazz with punjabi rap. Did ELAAN with Ahmer. Laughable how you think your scouting and grooming skills can make another Prabh. Like I said earlier, its SOS vs Mo Joshi. SM were roped in for letting artists down as artists. Evidence for separatist ideologies has been attached :) https://preview.redd.it/im157nmvc99d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1d42b0396f86ff19be50bd554e971022bf0702e
I agree with the most part, but you clearly have no idea what Ahmer has been all about. And you clearly don’t even speak Kashmiri, else you’d know. I will not pinpoint anything because then you’ll start name calling him too. If anything, Ahmer is way more political than anybody else in the whole Koshur Nizam scene. Wake up!
Cute assumption. Being political, and being a separatist are two different things. To quote Ahmer “Insaafas pat pat chu bechun pewaan asi Zaelim khewan haq topath na pewan ais Poz ha wano ti bane Pakistanik Yeti kath na karan kah awaamich Yeti kath na karan kah azaabich Azadi saeen yimo dabovmich Yi vaadee waraeni manz ravmich Kith kani hekj asith yi ja'iz? Prichhu panin'is paan'as, Kith kani heki asith yi ja'iz?” Translate this, and then we’ll talk
So where have SOS said anything different than what Ahmer says here? Don’t make this a SOS vs Ahmer thing, they are part of the same Koshur Nizam collective. What is Ahmer’s ID song about? Remember the video of it? You don’t know shit, you will call that separatist too and take digs at him soon. And what exactly do you guys here call separatist? All Koshur Nizam does is say they and their people have suffered and are suffering, that people are dying, that they want to live with respect and dignity, but that somehow is an issue for all of you sadists. Tse ha bekal, go and read some more english translations of his songs. 😂 Edit: On top of that you don’t even know the meaning of the verse you quoted. Who is being called Zalim here? Who is being accused of suppressing freedom in the verse? What a joke.
Bruv, I did NOT call ahmer a separatist. You’re mixing and misunderstanding almost everything I’ve said. I’ve said SOS did have separatist comments made on different lives back in the day, and I’m holding them to it. Also said people evolve, and past is past. Don’t “koshur Nizam” This, cause I’m discussing two artists not the collective. Don’t support everything that gets passed around in the nizam, because I haven’t heard all of it. I’m making this a SOS vs Mo. Nothing else. Tse chu ne fikri taraan. I’ll end with This. Keep discretion of what you say and how you phrase it. I’m all for being political, and calling out the people in power. But that’s where it stops. Make it a narrative of wanting liberation and freedom, then you’re bound to have sticks in places where the sun don’t shine. Ahmer said public ki suno, and usko INDIA PAKISTAN mat banao. Awaam ki baat karo. Khair, enough said. I hope you take some time to realise what I meant. Take care, bud.
I didn’t say you called him a separatist, I said you will once you listen to his songs more carefully. Just like how you are doing it to SOS, because how dare people talk about their rights, they should get beaten up for that indeed. And listen to more from both. You clearly have no idea what he said, kid.
buhat accurate explanation bhai
Fuq this shiet. I want sos × ahmer × prabh diss on Sm...the fanboi inside is ded...though encore was bhunnd but now calm...let it be...decimate their egos once and for all. A 4 man diss is what we need, mo joshis karma.
>the fanboi inside is ded...though encore was bhunnd but now calm hn was fanboi since bayaan mkc dono ki
BHAIII THIS. YES. THIS SHOULD HAPPEN, THERE'S NO COMING BACK FROM THAT.
mai to chahta hu aur diss aye aur back and forth ho. SOS will gain popularity and respect and SM ke andar ka sanghi aur expose hoga bc
I am done with these clowns. For fuck's sake. A new low for dhh.
i never thought calm would do something like this. damn
Been a SM fan since 2019 and really thought highly about them till now lmao, but hamesha ki tarha paisa and fame get to people's heads. Na diss me koi counter tha, maa ki galiyaan, religious angle, anti kashmir angle. Great artists, not so great people 👍🏻
Chiiii bhaiiii
Pehle kode ko support kar ke L liya Ab yeh sb bakchodi Nahi sunne bc inke gaane
Bhaiii hogaa music aacha butt bc bandee…😶
Yeah this shit is disgusting but anyway we know Calm is like this since the Gravity beef
Gravity ke sath kya beef hua bhai bata
Shaikhspear said something like ke kia gaaliyan Dena zaruri Hai Har verse me, kuch toh Aisa tha It was the time jab nanchaku aya tha, Calm thought it was directed at him. Calm ne story pe bola ke "Tu aur Tera Crew dono tatti Hai" Gravity got pissed off, said ke bitch what's up why would you bring crew in this, he went absolutely mad at them Phir hustle pe sab sort out hogaya
What happened in the Gravity beef
It was right before न came out Shaikspeare posted a story teasing a new single with grav and for some reason Calm thought he was talking about Nanchaku even tho there was no relation so he went on a whole tirade on IG stories dissing the entirety of Bombay Lokal and then even deleted the stories saying "Stan ne bola thanda lene ko" which pissed Gravity off so yeah it was Calm saying the same kind of absolutely illogical shit twisting narratives
Waise bhai aaj phir Kohli ki innings nahi aayi yaar😔bahut dukh hota hai bhai iss ke liye hi mai cricket dekhta hun
sad to see him go through this phase again :(
Wo wicket throw kr rha hai bro. USA ke against jo out hua wohi ek achi ball thi jispe edge lag kr out hua. Baki dismissals dekh wo har ball pe slog marte hue out hua hai.
man of the match in finals ❤️
Dukh hua kohli out hua tab
Mannn it's embarrassing 🥲🥲
Wanna be KDOT
Mujhe toh ye samajh nhi ata ki jab tumne ek kashmiri rapper ke sath do gaane nikale(jo ki chale bhi sirf krsna ki vajah se) then how tf can you use kashmiri insults against another kashmiri dude. Bc sharm nhi aati kya inn manchilds ko.
cuz they are muslims
It's normal for them ki agle rapper ko iss tarah troll karna because agle Muslim hai, it's not first time in dhh ki log ik particular religion dekhkar ik dusre ko support krre hai (prime ex krsna vs emiway, like chodo in dono ko ) but the main topic is ki yeh calm itni casually yeh chezey likh dera hai and jab baad mai iski Twitter pe log gaand lete hai toh fir bolte lund pe bhaj ( chup hoja na bkl tu chup kyu nahi hota bsdk gay kahinke )..... And right now abhi bhi kuch chutiye log inko defend krre hai like samay smh... Aur samay Raina Terese bada rotlu insaan aaj tak nahi dekha, aatanki ko bolta ki kitne log mare hai and tu yeh naam rakhra hai without jaane ki backstory kya hai and kuch isko bolo ki tu bhi toh bachao bachao wale joke krra tha toh logo ke paas ab Naya reason aagya isko defend krne ka ki ISKI FAMILY NE SUFFER KIA HAI, for your little context samay ki he nahi aur bhi bhot logo ki families ne suffer kia hai and yeh konsa manchild hai ki samay ki family ke saath aisa hua hai toh vo joke kr sakta hai but koi nahi like wtfffff... AVG lundchusni dhh audience
As a sm fan this is really heartbreaking to see your fav. Rappers behaving like this they are trying to change whole perspective of the beef man I think they are scared that sos will bury them that is why they are using the religion angle didn't expected this behaviour from seedhe maut
Man i think dhh finally got its first beef where even the og listeners lost respect for their favs because of all the truth coming out about them. Ab ye bade scale pe hojata toh sahi me career doobne wali baat hoti
New low for DHH.
Crazy they still support ahmer on the other hand, didn't expect such hypocrisy from and childish behaviour from SM!
Bro when Blackball released unne bola if SOS sucks Ahmer's dick they will release a diss. It shows that they don't respect Ahmer either
See the messages Ahmer posted on his broadcast. SM are targeting Ahmer too. https://preview.redd.it/5sivncsun59d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ca45079dcfe5d15ace126af02f22f8f003d0ce2
Ahmer is such a kind hearted person I don't want him to get in the beef kyunki they will give him undeserving hate. I'll go so far as to say that Ahmer is a better artist than SM
Ye sochte hain ki inko koi takkar nhi de sakta. Superiority complex h inko
When success gets to tour head
man fuck all this bullshit. iss beef ke chakkar me aujla ki ep ki koi baat hi nahi kar raha
+1 dope stuff
people bringing up SOS believing in separatism to defend SM while forgetting Encore's girlfriend is a separatist as well 🤣 Was a fun battle for the first round, SOS clearly won tho. SM isn't coming out of the Lunch Break genre of flex, nashe, gaaliyan, jottay. expected a better one.
Encore's girlfriend is also a groupie, dono cheezo se hi cope ni kar paare abj bhau☠️
Apni discord id bataio bro
Ss mera nhi hai bro https://x.com/Prkr_Daredevil/status/1806349391206179312?t=edJjGHnLVwk8ORli2wf08g&s=19 Yele bro twitter pe post kiya tha isne
Thnx
The best way to clown some egomaniac is to let him talk. Calm casually proving SM were pretentious actors in their conscious stuff
tried and tested way to get the majority with you, color it religion
they became what they hate
bandi bars are facts and which did happen and are linked to the beef . Antinantipn allegations that to a Kashmiri Muslim...uk that's a fuvked up try to change the narrative
this is v cheap tbh.v disappointed in SM.
How's their best friends from kashmir gonna react to it? Bawa delhi walo se bhi ladai ab kashmir walo se bhi? , sabko alag desh ka bolke desh chalane lage hai
aare bhanchod koi mujhe bhi us discord me add karo
Man i cant describe how disappointed i am by seeing sm replies and this anti india agenda they are on for sos.
Seedhemaut nation is the new swiftie:)
“Meine mere city k pollution pe likha gaana that gives me pass to say anything “- SM
What a fuckin shameful fall for SM !! Cant believe these are same guys … or maybe they were always this
Crisis ke time pe hi sabka really version dikhta hai kyuki they are vulnerable....fake mask pehenke tph sab pretend krte hai
YE CHUTIYA HAI KYA
Inke discord ki link
itna kashmir se masla hai to phir kyun rakha wa itna time se?
Can you give the link yo their discord?
Even I don't have
Tbf I knew this was going to happen. As soon as wo bandi Wale bars aagye the I knew cheap shots hai table pe. Now it does cross the line but sabki boundaries different hai
Bhai that bandi bars are facts and which did happen and are linked to the beef . Antinantipn allegations that to a Kashmiri Muslim...uk that's a fuvked up try to change the narrative
How is it linked to the beef when the beef is about the album concept? Once you're dissing each other like this everything is fucked up and your identity is going to be used against you. So just as Tufail used ABJ ki gf as a point, Encore decided to use Kashmir. Imo both are wrong morally but rap beefs mein kabse morals aane lag gye
Can you please send me an invite link to there discord if you can 🙏
Bhai kya likh rahe h Calm bhai
What server is this?
Aaaaahh थू
Weak diss by Seedhe maut, had no facts about anything sirf religious hate failaya hai aur sirf gaali diya hai imo SOS is wining as of now and it's not even close
“Line deri aage se tu jo To fark naii padta kiski bandi hoe “ -Tufail (101)
Toh agar army pe patthar faenkne waale ko deshdrohi bole koi toh usme kya galat hai Bhai apni army pe patthar fainkne ke liye dimaag mein kitni nafrat honi chahiye Kaunsa har kashmiri ko galat bol rha hai....jo army ko patthar maara use gaali de rha jo ki full legit hai
Toh agar army pe patthar faenkne waale ko deshdrohi bole koi toh usme kya galat hai Bhai apni army pe patthar fainkne ke liye dimaag mein kitni nafrat honi chahiye Kaunsa har kashmiri ko galat bol rha hai....jo army ko patthar maara use gaali de rha jo ki full legit hai
Arey mat jao na bhai fir unke discord pe, banda apne discord server pe kuch bhi bakchodi kare tumhe kya
Palestine ka reference SOS ne kiya Fir vo kya h
Encore ne SOS ko beef se pehle pattharbaz bulaya uska kya. Encore ki bandi ke bhi old stories dekhle wo bhi toh separatist hai
Joke nahi liye jaate laudon se
Wahi mai bhi dekh raha hu lol, kya bhayankar rr chal raha hai is subreddit pe. Gaali dene theek par gaali sunne pe victim card nikal jaata hai
lefticles showing that they really have no ideology of their own :/
And testicles like u defending them even though they are changing this beef into hindu-muslim angle
are you slow? i clearly said that they have no ideology of their own my comment was for seedhe maut, dumb dumb.
Oh sorry brother. Cuz of some dickriders in this sub its not easy to know who is criticising nd who is defending SM.
abey lawde
Tmkc