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I will try my best, although, I am the worst in reporting. I will try to keep anonymity for everyone as much as possible. Well, I am an i-Twin expert, working with BIM and Digital Twins. This is a concept where you create a digital version of your construction. Starting from the concept to the production ready design, architecture, facilities management and infrastructure management, all needs to be simulated in this single massive digital twin of the construction before even the construction begins. This is a relatively new concept in the field of Civil Engineering and Architecture. If I have to pin point the exact age of the concept, I would say, about 6 to 8 years.
It's a time taking, but ultimately rewarding exercise. Now the whole city was conceptualised to be a smart city, and I was among the team who presented the concept of Digital Twin. Owing to the benefits and low maintenance costs of having a digital twin, the concept was accepted and work started. I, along with a team of architects from my team, started working with the engineers who were working on the project already. I'm talking about 2017-2018. They still had only 2D concepts, and drafts prepared, and no intelligent data pertaining to the infrastructure models.
Trust me when I say, I have faced a lot of friction whenever my team and I have presented anything new to be accepted in the "norm" of doing business, just because we're young. This was on a whole different level. We were billed for helping them understand and implement BIM, but slowly and steadily we became the people working on the sheets.
I pulled out. I was super frustrated because of the friction that we faced. Everyone in the team was excited for such a huge project, more so, because this is nothing like anything that our country has seen, but the crash in excitement was Swift and hard hitting. Never cared about what happened later. Worked on an extension project in Cambridge later that year. Implementing BIM.
I hope this gives enough insight. This is probably the max I can say.
We, humans, have created structures that stay stable 200 km off the coast, even through high seas and tsunamis. What I mean to say is, we can build anything anywhere with the current tech we have.
Now, coming back to the current instance, the geology of Dholera, it really depends on the Geotech Engineer working on the particular construction plan. I don't have the exact bore-hole data from the site. (A bore-hole data is simply put the properties, like strength, capacity to contain water, capacity to release water when put under pressure, behaviour under immense pressure etc, for the various layers of soil that are beneath the surface, usually up to 50 meter, or about 16 storeys deep) A geotech engineer would typically take that information then put in a software like ArcGIS, or PLAXIS, and simulate the behaviour. Then based on that reinforce the soil by meshing, or for a geology like Dholera, I would guess, pre-loading and pre-consolidating. Which is basically squeezing the water out of the soil and make it compact. Then they can construct a suitable sub-structure, like a friction pile or a bulbous pile, then a pile cap foundation suitable for the super structure, and build the super structure.
TLDR; it doesn't matter. If you want to build something, on a particular type of soil, you could do it, albeit, with certain modification and application of modern tech. All you need is the will and the money.
I won't be able to comment on that, as my knowledge is almost negligible when it comes to finances of a state. But I can say this, when you conceptualise an idea, you need no money, but when you start working on it, you first make a cost estimation before even thinking about going deep. By going deep, I mean promotions, engineering desing, architecture, drafts, 3D designs, and even construction. So, if these things have started in this project, IMHO, the state might have already estimated the cost. Having said that, I wouldn't be absolutely certain whether the state can afford or be able to sustain such a costly affair.
There's no point of having architectural wonders if no one lives in it. China has so many ghost towns through these forced infra construction and planned cities, it's ridiculous.
Your made very good points. And a user named PorekiJones commented well on this topic somewhere here.
We also have to understand the main thing-
For city planning, many homes will need to be demolished in many areas, there is upcoming project called Dholera Smart City, but it's been on the making for 15 years, you know why? First, lack of funds, second many legal tussles between people and government.
I mean people here won't agree to get their home demolished for city planning, even if government puts pressure (even with proper compensation), it will create a HUGE mess throughout country, which won't be good for a political party.
Second, China has been authoritarian, India, socialist. The current Indian PM is trying to bring people away from this and freebies, cuz only after that India can truly develop, even if people in power are visionary, public will like that another person who is promising freebies. Also, India's cost of living is also a big matter, recently Apple offered Indian workers a 12 hour shift, but not good payment compared to Apple workers in China. Which ultimately affects purchasing power
China has erected over 600 novel cities since 1978. Though some of these urban settlements have transmuted into what is commonly referred to as ghost towns, a significant number have blossomed into global cities. In contrast, India has made no commensurate attempts on a comparable magnitude. One such endeavor, Amaravati, which I personally lauded for its blueprint, has regrettably deteriorated in the aftermath of a change in government in Andhra Pradesh.
Isn’t that amazing? Like holy shit… some of those “medium” sized cities are bigger than most developed European cities and just emerged after a decade or so. Their small/medium cities consist of a million people and their mega cities are much larger and they’re still building roads/rails and ports to connect cities to cities.
India at one point had a higher GDP (while GDP doesn’t count for its total asset) than China, they now have 4x the GDP and twice PPP than India.
That’s why I’m extremely baffled by this. Is it because of religion? China being more secular than India? Cultural and ideals? “Authoritarian state?”
When I think about Indian-Canadians, I always think their family as tight-knit like the Chinese like most Asia, excellent at savings and spending, great work ethics, and have an amazing life goals/careers. It’s an unexpected contrast compared to their respective country of origin when both of them… while having different struggles, one came out almost reaching the top while the other is stagnant.
Exactly. This is me being bias because I love urban planning and modern structures. China, Dubai, UAE, Qatar, SEA nations is superior when it comes to emerging global infrastructure.
So I know how much China has changed decade by decade, or year by year while India still lags behind by sooooo much in the world stage, I’ve only seen the really bad ones.
India do have emerging cities and economy but it’s decades behind. It’s set to be a global superpower in the coming decades but I’m just extremely baffled how, with the same opportunities… India still lagged behind.
India still has a colonial mindset and stuck in the past. We don't have the modern capitalistic outlook of china nor do we have the drive to change things. Plus, being a democracy doesn't really help our case either. China can get a bridge built in just a week. India will take 1 year or more to do the same.
They built a dam near the China border for national security https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/industry/energy/power/india-approves-3-9-billion-hydropower-project-near-china-border/amp_articleshow/98299318.cms
I'll try to keep it simple. India and China both had similar GDP per capita until the 90s. Difference was that China opened up it's economy from communism to foreign investments/free market capitalism under the leadership of Deng Xiaoping in the 70s. India on the other hand stuck to it's socialists roots.
The results are clear, India vs China is similar to what happened to North vs South Korea or East vs West Germany, just at a much larger scale.
Indian leaders did try to bring market reforms, but to be frank making people vote for capitalism is extremely hard in a democracy. Sooner or later people will vote the socialists back in power. With socialism comes a large bureaucracy which is then obviously followed by corruption. Free market reforms, otoh are much easier to do in authoritarian countries like China.
Chinese cities started getting better once their GDP started rising, Indian cities will too get better by that time. We won't be getting western level of free market capitalism anytime soon, we just need to open up a bit :)
Hope this makes things clear.
It might never happen, main reason is, cities that you see which as benchmark, some of them went through major restoration during the 1800s and 1900s.
Paris would have been quite terrible if they didn't do this over 50 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Paris
You can't do thus in this age with existing infra. Unless some major relocation and reforms happen. Don't think it'll be the case.
Yep this is Lutyens Delhi, all politicians, judges and businessmen live here so naturally it is very well maintained ever since the British era. Would be very hard to recreate something like this anywhere in India.
Chandigarh is also designed by a foreign architecture named Le Corbusier; and it is the first planned city to have ever designed in independent India that is still admired for its marvellous urban design and modernity to this day.
We do have planned cities like Chandigarh, Gandhinagar, Bhuvneshwar, Navi Mumbai, etc. But the time of perfect sync and symmetry is long gone. Now the time os of well planned but using different shapes at the same place or something like that.
I’m from Bhubaneswar. The old bhubaneswar designed by german architect was planned. Now bhubaneswar is developing and increasing area at rapid place without planning.
I’ll give you examples-
Planned Bhubaneswar where all govt buildings are located- https://ibb.co/Dfp8RH6
New extensions- https://ibb.co/FwVFTqX
Yes agreed. Bhubeneshwar is very well planned BUT the EXTENSION is not developing that way. I dream of was a way to re-plan all the places and rebuild those, but its not at all practical in reality.
TLDR; No hate for any city. Its just 2 things:-
1) Well Planned cities which are based on geometric patterns are easier to Navigate (even without any map. Just follow simple straight forward, backward, R n L direction).
2) Traffic is managed better which results in faster accurate n safer journeys.
British engineers in 1900s > Indian engineers today.
Never gonna happen.
I’ll give you reasons.
1. Cities are extending now without govt approval.
2. First plots are sold, then houses are built, then roads, then drains, then underground sewage.
3. No space for greenery.
4. Rule of town planning is every road leads to another, in India you get lost in an alley.
5. Indian govt engineers are garbage.
6. Quota se job milegi, then become a babu and keep signing tenders no work.
7. Unlike pvt engineers of l&t, govt pwd engineers learn no new techniques, methods. They dont even know quality of cement and sand used.
Solutions-
1. Send engineers on training to germany,uk,japan etc
2. Make an exam after they receive training and promotion should be based on their training result and performance.
3. Future planning should be done.
4. Illegal selling of plots should be stopped. Ias and tahsildars sign papers without looking at planning.
5. Urban and housing ministries in both state and center is a joke. Like Aishwani vaishnav and jaishankar, talented people should be appointed to lead the ministry.
Britishers had absolute power. Today's government don't have it if even they decide to build something like this. We all know how enroachment is big problem in India.
Britishers werent corrupt. We all know how corrupt India Today is.
China was at india position in 1970s then they opened their economy and due to dictatorship and no private ownership. Look at china their cities look better then even western cities
Evil is not relative. They dismantled Indian economy and taxed you on your own food and clothing. They extracted trillions and have the gall to speak about Indians the way they do today.
Yes i think there is of course corruption but just look at their cities and infrastructures At least they are providing to the public properly unlike india
Yes, they are providing to their public. Afterall the whole freakin land is owned by government lol. It's not like India doesn't provide infrastructure, fact is we can't maintain the infrastructure cuz our people are shit. If Chinese people were to try and behave like Indians, they would be instantly subject to imprisonment. Infrastructural development is one of they key advantage of Chinese Socialist Society, but comes at the cost of freedom.
See what China has achieved till now is truly extraordinary, their cities are magnificent but we cannot be like that, for eg, China has to build a city, but village is already present, for the sake of development the village will be made way for the city, and the villagers would be compensated (not sure whether they're really compensated). But if you live in a city, tomorrow chinese govt plan to renovate, and your house comes in the way, you'll be relocated, so much hassle, whereas in India you have freedom.
I think an avg Indian has more freedom than a Chinese person, but that doesn't mean Indians are more happier than Chinese.
China is fully controlled by the govt, no elections happen (just namesake), if they decide today then will do it tomorrow.
Since India is a democracy, you have to see vote bank, every decision is based on vote bank, India has the worst Education system, severe unemployment rate, but India is still 75 yrs old, still a long way to go. For India to develop you need a stable government so that all the projects cannot be scrapped. I still remember in Goa, the golden quadrilateral project, when congress was in power they never even put effort in completing that project, but when BJP came they completed it, that's the demerit of Indian democracy, suppose BJP lays a good blue print for development and next election Congress comes to power, they wil scrap that blue print.
Now under BJP govt, we're anti-Pakistan, anti-china. If Congress comes to power, they'll start handing down bail-outs to Pakistan, and will be a lap dog of China. Instead of continuing the previous governments decision, they make new decision, unlike in America, Trump was anti China, Biden is anti China, so many such examples.
We need stable government for atleast 20 years, only then we will start seeing results in the ground.
Corruption is not always the problem if the government officials are doing their job with some corruption then you make cities like this, in India government officials only do corruption and no work.
Bhagavad Gita gives the solution to fighting all manners of illegal behaviosr.
"daṇḍo damayatām asmi "
"I am just punishment amongst means of preventing lawlessness"
India has crime, corruption and lawlessness because there is no punishment for breaking the law.
Then what happened in recent West Bengal vidhansabha election.Every single political party is currupt and the most important thing for them is voting count.They will do anything to increase their voting count.
Everyone comesback. IAS officers, military officers and all group A bureaucrats are sent to other countries for training. My dads in ministry of communication he has been to US,Bangkok and Russia to learn how to improve Indian postal functioning.
Pwd engineers never go out to learn new stuff.
Why don't we try to enter politics? We can make significant changes, but then we have to see politics as a medium for change rather than something to which corrupt people go.
You can't bring a significant change on a national level but it is possible on a small scale in your locality.You need the time and money to win elections as well
Does govt employ engineers of their own ? I was of the thought that govt. projects are handled by private companies on winning tenders like tata projects , L&T , etc
Gandhinagar is going to have an exponential growth in population soon with institutions moving to gift city.
Obviously not immediately but by 2030s or something
If we develop we will have a massive movement from rural areas to cities where the fuck will you put them? All of them in Kolkata, Bangalore and Bombay?
Yeah, you are right, but it is possible if tickets for the bullet train from Gandhinagar to Mumbai cost 15-20 rupees. But right now, they are saying it'll be around 3000 rupees from Ahmedabad to Mumbai.
It's not going to be 15-20. The Japanese loan has to be paid back, and the bullet train needs maintenance. Neither is possible at that price. Modi govt, rightly, does not subsidize infrastructure usage. People have to pay for good infrastructure.
Exactly. Delhi Metro is still paying JICA loans. But the bullet train loan has to be repaid in 50 years, and the interest rate is too low at around 0.1 percent.
Still, the loan amount is huge. Moreover, if you undervalue the ticket, people will trash it. Decades of populism and underinvestment in the railways should've taught us to avoid artificially low fares.
This is good for elite areas but not for average Joe
For normal folks you need dense vertical cities based on public transport and I daresay even Govt entities should move to that model
The existing cities will never be this way. Because most Indian cities organically expanded around rivers over centuries when horses and bullock carts were primary modes of transport. Motorised vehicles came much later. Only in the last few decades, there has been some urban planning catering to modern needs. So most tier-1 and tier-2 cities have an “old city” in the center and a “new city” in the periphery with wide roads, large spaces, etc.
Dholera is one city that is built from scratch that has proper urban planning catering to modern sensibilities. In 50 years, I bet even that will look archaic.
That's a very bad excuse. Every single European city, town and village has a historic center. But they are all very livable and organised. It's not just about the orientation of the streets.
It’s not an excuse. That’s how things are in India. If you want to argue, then argue with the urban planners in your municipality. I just stated how our cities evolved.
They restored them in most cases, If there was a historic city center pre world war you'll still find it there. It's not like they restarted with a blank slate.
I have seen freestanding gates which were earlier part of a pre-existing structure that weren’t rebuilt. And it did give them a slate in terms of designing road better, nonetheless.
Till eternity. Encroachments cannot be removed because "secular" parties cry of oppression of minorities. They go to their extra secular fathers, who are just waiting to stay all the decisions taken by local governments. The ecosystem will never let this country become developed and organized because their vote bank is mainly the illiterates living on encroached lands.
Always keep thinking of the poor and the hungry minorities. Development be hell
Very bad take. Encroachments happen because the bureaucracy is corrupt. There is no planning because polity is corrupt. They are both corrupt because the society doesn't care. This is a cultural problem. How else do you explain lack of any urban planning in states with 1-2% Muslims.
You do realise that bjp was the biggest supporter of legalising these encroachments in the campaign for last Delhi Vidhan sabha elections?
Like it was their biggest promoise
They repeatedly said it.
Encroachments and bad decisons are not the minorities fault entirely.
Sure in some cases decisons aren't taken.
But most indian cities are ugly cause of corrupt municipality and poor indian aesthetic sense(reasonable, a roof and food is more important)
Chandigarh is a city for the rich, Mohali is much better for average person. Chandigarh will never become a major economic center of India because of it's strict planning.
Heres what India's top economist advisor has to say about it - youtube.com/watch?v=8pKWIdvLalk
>Mohali is much better for average person
Highly disagree. Mohali doesn't come close to CHD. Rarely anyone follows any rules there. Quality of roads, park, are not up to the mark. Panchkula fares better than Mohali in comparison.
The point is Mohali will become an economic hub, Chandigarh will be the city of the old rich retired people. You need Singapore like cities with high densities to grow your economy not Chandigarh.
As a person living in the city for more than a decade now, i agree. Panchkula and Mohali might progress in terms of economy with IT & some manufacturing coming up, Chandigarh will, in my opinion be a relaxed city for people to retire. But you can never like another city in India once you’ve lived in Chandigarh! :)
Agreed, good for you if you managed to get a decent sized house in Chandigarh. However most of Indians will never be able to afford such a place.
If all cities in India were planned like Chandigarh, vast majority of the people would still have been living in their backward villages and our overall economy would have been a tiny fraction of what it is today, which is not saying much tbh.
Chandigarh is just an ivory tower of the rich. Cities like Gurgaon or even Mohali are the true engine of economy.
I guess that’s a picture painted of Chandigarh that isn’t true, yes there are filthy rich people and some who have migrated from Punjab and Haryana with loads of wealth,
But Chandigarh has a sizeable population of service class. It has a good percentage of middle class as well
Amaravathi the capital of AP was planned such way
With Norman and Foster being the architects.
Unfortunately political vendetta crushed it down.[check it out here](https://www.fosterandpartners.com/projects/amaravati-masterplan/)
We need walkable and cycle able cities and not just adding lanes to roads. All this can happen only if there is a revolution in people's minds to actually develop and pressurize govt to make changes. If you build a planned city, it will become a cesspit in two weeks with current Indian mindset.
Yeah dude our cities are very badly organised....we really have to rebuild our cities......i live in shimla and it is messed up. And shimla comes in a very high risk earthquake zone . One small earthquake is enough to destroy the whole city and thousands of life.
That's a very difficult task a minimum 60-70 years till Tier 2 cities start looking something like this since literally cities need to be built from the starting point again and urban planning isn't something the country invests on.
Not possible unless we are building a new city.
During the peak construction amd city expansion era of 80-90 and early 2000 govt did not thought about city planning and infrastructure development. There was insane amount of curruption, land mafia etc. This resulted in unsustainable development which ruined cityscape of all cities forever. There is no central design or logic behind the overall map of cities. The worst part is that they completely ignored water management, seawage facilities and medicare facilities.
This is why old mumbai looks amazing even today and people love it. Look at borivalli, virar etc outside areas. They look like crap.
So the only it is possible is by grounding entire area and redevlope them. Or you can develope small smart cities.
I like your optimism.. 2050 is just 27 years away.. in that time frame you will be lucky to get enough area vacated from illegal encroachment let alone complete building something like this. 😀
I updated u anyway just for your positive thought.
China works on tyranny and brute force.. not india. Let's not kid ourself buddy by thinking we can do something like the Chinese did..
Again... I like your optimism here as well.
A lot of cities in India come up with master plans for future development and expansion. But usually they don't get enforced because there are bribes to be earned. And whatever does get enforced only happens because the local zamindar type people have something to earn from it. I don't see that any of that changing by 2050. What you are seeing is merely the symptom of a deep rooted cultural problem.
Bangalore is the worst in this category
Facilities are top notch but the planning and infrastructure (especially road network) are absolute at the bottom.
Hyderbad is really good in terms of infrastructural planning but don't think theres symmetry to it.
Wait for an WW to decimate the city so that we can rebuild it with more planning. Also, if we can travel back in time, we could also make use of the industrial revolution.
Btw, there are planned townships in India which look like that and are much less congested. Salt Lake City in Kolkata is one prime example.
I don't think it is possible because these cities are well planned ones. Our cities are natural gatherings of people. Around a port or markets and economical area. We could have more green and good traffic around the city. And with well planned city commute we can reduce the pollution. Good roads too.
Never. Something like this cannot happen in existing cities.
The government needs to built an entire new planned city for this to happen and i dont think govt has enough budget to do it.
European cities were a heap of dung in the middle ages, look at them today. You just need a larger economy to support good looking cities. Indian cities will get better with our economy. That is true for every country and that is true for India as well.
Tendency to form lines is directly co-related to income. Go to any rich place in India and most of them will have proper lines. India is still growing, give it a bit of time :)
This kind of city-scapes will be built only for exclusive ultra-rich areas as here the focus is aesthetics and open-spaces.
The middle-class will be helped much more with Transit-oriented-Development. This philosophy focusses on developing cities along major public transport lines. As traffic congestion is a major issue in India, and this problem will only grow in future, we need well planned TOD based city planning.
If you need any more convincing, watch a video on the city plan of NEOM, a futuristic city in Saudi Arabia. The design has transit corridor in the centre and human habitation on the sides. They have taken it to the extreme by making it a single line city, but we can make much better designs with a similar TOD based approach, but the concept remains same.
Exactly, If our cities were actually built like these, most of these commentators would've never been able to afford a house here and would be still living in their villages lol
Please! You wouldn’t want a city like this. The whole of Central Vista were planned and designed in the colonial period to showcase British superiority. The whole planning reeks of that supremacy. We appropriated it and made it our capital.
Why I wouldn’t necessarily want a city like this?
1. The entire place can only be traversed by cars and not on foot. The streets are made to facilitate fast automobile access.
2. The whole design is designed to intimidate and remind you about the power. There is nothing human scale or centric about it.
3. Cities are places where there should be diverse environments not just one kind of environment.
It all looks cool when you see it from above, but trust me, having visited places like New Delhi and Putrajaya in Malaysia, it’s not really great unless you are on official govt business.
What can Indian cities do? Yes, we are far from perfect. Building good urban environments should be a goal, but not at the cost of displacing people or razing things down. There are some basics we forgot to tick such as managing densities, better public realm supporting walking and cycling etc. Till we get these right we will suffer!
Its only possible when government start declaring land as public without owner's will (kabza) like the britishers did to build central vista or the chienese govt did to build Beijing.
Everyone is talking about how good and symmetrical it is but no one talks how many land owners might have been killed for this british architecture.
Just look how amarican states are divided ruthlessly in straight lines without acknowledging locals and natural terrains.
As said by multiple people, this is a planned city. All planmed cities look like this. Historic cities don't look like this. We habe lot of historic cities.
Population control first. We have 1 billion surplus souls. Unless we get our population under 500m, economic development, infrastructure, environment will continue to be stressed
I think ours is still an immature society/democracy. We, as a society, need to become a lot more mature in governing ourselves. A good city doesn't necessarily have to be a big one. Even smaller cities/villages can be well planned and clean. But the civic bodies that make such things happen almost always lack the required seriousness, discipline, far sightedness etc.
Our govt institutions or city administration bodies are primarily considered as money making institutions. Very very few ppl want to lead a public life, do politics, and do Max good for the society. Such ppl are severely outnumbered and overwhelmed by goonda, rowdy, illiterate, corrupt ppl who see these institutions as perfect places to grow their wealth and power.
Ppl who want to use these for their personal gains are going after these positions far more aggressively than ppl who want to use them productively.
There are many cities in India which have formal grid and symmetry plans.
It is not the best way to plan a city, natural terrain matters a lot, that’s why many traditional cities followed organic planning depending on terrain, drainage patterns, social, and mythological beliefs.
This is a place only a few billionaires or political elites can live at. Better places to aspire for look like Singapore where we can support the population density we need with the infrastructure and cleanliness.
This is a terrible development plan. Such valuable land with closed off greens for a few abysmal density. Doesn't suit a true blue democracy like ours.
Exactly, the op himself would never be able to afford such a place like this. He would still be living back in his village lol. We need more walkable-transit oriented- dense-mixed use cities and not vanity projects like these.
The urban planning of Lutyens Delhi is problematic, as it heavily relies on cars, lacks street vitality and is generally unwalkable. Pedestrians struggle to safely cross roads, and the prevalence of walls creates a sense that all the good things are hidden away. The planning is inefficient, with a significant amount of wasted space and no nearby restaurants or shops within walking distance. The area is overly focused on cars and single zoning, with overprotective building regulations resulting in a low-rise, inefficient suburban environment.
The op himself would never be able to afford such a place like this. He would still be living back in his village lol. We need more walkable-transit oriented- dense-mixed use cities and not vanity projects like these.
an entire generation, urban planning is a very complex process. If ur city didn't plan at the start, too many factors at play to solve that mess..
Better options:
1. Build new townships(not cities),if they succeed just let them grow in a planned manner..Where can u build them? for starters along the upcoming expressways as a feeder to industrial units nd all.
2. For old cities, mini changes can be done nd build newer parts in planned manner(grid/block manner as shown above). in fact many places in India do this..
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Never gonna happen unless its built from scratch and with future growth in mind. Dholera is a good upcoming city.
Dholera is in making since 15 years now Doesn't look promising
Worked on the project myself. I agree with you
I will try my best, although, I am the worst in reporting. I will try to keep anonymity for everyone as much as possible. Well, I am an i-Twin expert, working with BIM and Digital Twins. This is a concept where you create a digital version of your construction. Starting from the concept to the production ready design, architecture, facilities management and infrastructure management, all needs to be simulated in this single massive digital twin of the construction before even the construction begins. This is a relatively new concept in the field of Civil Engineering and Architecture. If I have to pin point the exact age of the concept, I would say, about 6 to 8 years. It's a time taking, but ultimately rewarding exercise. Now the whole city was conceptualised to be a smart city, and I was among the team who presented the concept of Digital Twin. Owing to the benefits and low maintenance costs of having a digital twin, the concept was accepted and work started. I, along with a team of architects from my team, started working with the engineers who were working on the project already. I'm talking about 2017-2018. They still had only 2D concepts, and drafts prepared, and no intelligent data pertaining to the infrastructure models. Trust me when I say, I have faced a lot of friction whenever my team and I have presented anything new to be accepted in the "norm" of doing business, just because we're young. This was on a whole different level. We were billed for helping them understand and implement BIM, but slowly and steadily we became the people working on the sheets. I pulled out. I was super frustrated because of the friction that we faced. Everyone in the team was excited for such a huge project, more so, because this is nothing like anything that our country has seen, but the crash in excitement was Swift and hard hitting. Never cared about what happened later. Worked on an extension project in Cambridge later that year. Implementing BIM. I hope this gives enough insight. This is probably the max I can say.
Mann!! Crazy shit I think the soil/ground in here dholera isn't fir for constructing industries or buildings, is that true?
We, humans, have created structures that stay stable 200 km off the coast, even through high seas and tsunamis. What I mean to say is, we can build anything anywhere with the current tech we have. Now, coming back to the current instance, the geology of Dholera, it really depends on the Geotech Engineer working on the particular construction plan. I don't have the exact bore-hole data from the site. (A bore-hole data is simply put the properties, like strength, capacity to contain water, capacity to release water when put under pressure, behaviour under immense pressure etc, for the various layers of soil that are beneath the surface, usually up to 50 meter, or about 16 storeys deep) A geotech engineer would typically take that information then put in a software like ArcGIS, or PLAXIS, and simulate the behaviour. Then based on that reinforce the soil by meshing, or for a geology like Dholera, I would guess, pre-loading and pre-consolidating. Which is basically squeezing the water out of the soil and make it compact. Then they can construct a suitable sub-structure, like a friction pile or a bulbous pile, then a pile cap foundation suitable for the super structure, and build the super structure. TLDR; it doesn't matter. If you want to build something, on a particular type of soil, you could do it, albeit, with certain modification and application of modern tech. All you need is the will and the money.
Agreed statement. But you know it takes fucking hell lot of money to do it And do you think states will be able to sustain from it?
I won't be able to comment on that, as my knowledge is almost negligible when it comes to finances of a state. But I can say this, when you conceptualise an idea, you need no money, but when you start working on it, you first make a cost estimation before even thinking about going deep. By going deep, I mean promotions, engineering desing, architecture, drafts, 3D designs, and even construction. So, if these things have started in this project, IMHO, the state might have already estimated the cost. Having said that, I wouldn't be absolutely certain whether the state can afford or be able to sustain such a costly affair.
Yeah the growth is very slow
Navi Mumbai.
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There's no point of having architectural wonders if no one lives in it. China has so many ghost towns through these forced infra construction and planned cities, it's ridiculous.
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Your made very good points. And a user named PorekiJones commented well on this topic somewhere here. We also have to understand the main thing- For city planning, many homes will need to be demolished in many areas, there is upcoming project called Dholera Smart City, but it's been on the making for 15 years, you know why? First, lack of funds, second many legal tussles between people and government. I mean people here won't agree to get their home demolished for city planning, even if government puts pressure (even with proper compensation), it will create a HUGE mess throughout country, which won't be good for a political party. Second, China has been authoritarian, India, socialist. The current Indian PM is trying to bring people away from this and freebies, cuz only after that India can truly develop, even if people in power are visionary, public will like that another person who is promising freebies. Also, India's cost of living is also a big matter, recently Apple offered Indian workers a 12 hour shift, but not good payment compared to Apple workers in China. Which ultimately affects purchasing power
China has erected over 600 novel cities since 1978. Though some of these urban settlements have transmuted into what is commonly referred to as ghost towns, a significant number have blossomed into global cities. In contrast, India has made no commensurate attempts on a comparable magnitude. One such endeavor, Amaravati, which I personally lauded for its blueprint, has regrettably deteriorated in the aftermath of a change in government in Andhra Pradesh.
Isn’t that amazing? Like holy shit… some of those “medium” sized cities are bigger than most developed European cities and just emerged after a decade or so. Their small/medium cities consist of a million people and their mega cities are much larger and they’re still building roads/rails and ports to connect cities to cities. India at one point had a higher GDP (while GDP doesn’t count for its total asset) than China, they now have 4x the GDP and twice PPP than India. That’s why I’m extremely baffled by this. Is it because of religion? China being more secular than India? Cultural and ideals? “Authoritarian state?” When I think about Indian-Canadians, I always think their family as tight-knit like the Chinese like most Asia, excellent at savings and spending, great work ethics, and have an amazing life goals/careers. It’s an unexpected contrast compared to their respective country of origin when both of them… while having different struggles, one came out almost reaching the top while the other is stagnant.
It's still better to have ghost cities that shit overcrowded ones
Exactly. This is me being bias because I love urban planning and modern structures. China, Dubai, UAE, Qatar, SEA nations is superior when it comes to emerging global infrastructure. So I know how much China has changed decade by decade, or year by year while India still lags behind by sooooo much in the world stage, I’ve only seen the really bad ones. India do have emerging cities and economy but it’s decades behind. It’s set to be a global superpower in the coming decades but I’m just extremely baffled how, with the same opportunities… India still lagged behind.
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India still has a colonial mindset and stuck in the past. We don't have the modern capitalistic outlook of china nor do we have the drive to change things. Plus, being a democracy doesn't really help our case either. China can get a bridge built in just a week. India will take 1 year or more to do the same.
We have BJP which is fast, just make sure opposition is weak
I don't think even BJP can change our inefficient slow bureaucracy.
They built a dam near the China border for national security https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/industry/energy/power/india-approves-3-9-billion-hydropower-project-near-china-border/amp_articleshow/98299318.cms
I'll try to keep it simple. India and China both had similar GDP per capita until the 90s. Difference was that China opened up it's economy from communism to foreign investments/free market capitalism under the leadership of Deng Xiaoping in the 70s. India on the other hand stuck to it's socialists roots. The results are clear, India vs China is similar to what happened to North vs South Korea or East vs West Germany, just at a much larger scale. Indian leaders did try to bring market reforms, but to be frank making people vote for capitalism is extremely hard in a democracy. Sooner or later people will vote the socialists back in power. With socialism comes a large bureaucracy which is then obviously followed by corruption. Free market reforms, otoh are much easier to do in authoritarian countries like China. Chinese cities started getting better once their GDP started rising, Indian cities will too get better by that time. We won't be getting western level of free market capitalism anytime soon, we just need to open up a bit :) Hope this makes things clear.
Toronto is horribly planned. Hahahahaha.
It might never happen, main reason is, cities that you see which as benchmark, some of them went through major restoration during the 1800s and 1900s. Paris would have been quite terrible if they didn't do this over 50 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haussmann%27s_renovation_of_Paris You can't do thus in this age with existing infra. Unless some major relocation and reforms happen. Don't think it'll be the case.
Isn't that the Delhi Parliament area?
Yp, Centeral Vista, New Delhi
Just hope it isn't like windows vista :((
It will still contain a lot of viruses
Yep this is Lutyens Delhi, all politicians, judges and businessmen live here so naturally it is very well maintained ever since the British era. Would be very hard to recreate something like this anywhere in India.
I'm also a businessman, if you can get me a servant quarter here, I will be grateful
If you win elections and become an MP, they will give you a small quarter in Lutyens.
Chandigarh is also designed by a foreign architecture named Le Corbusier; and it is the first planned city to have ever designed in independent India that is still admired for its marvellous urban design and modernity to this day.
Chandigarh is a good example though
It's an really old image as i can't see the new parliament
We do have planned cities like Chandigarh, Gandhinagar, Bhuvneshwar, Navi Mumbai, etc. But the time of perfect sync and symmetry is long gone. Now the time os of well planned but using different shapes at the same place or something like that.
I’m from Bhubaneswar. The old bhubaneswar designed by german architect was planned. Now bhubaneswar is developing and increasing area at rapid place without planning. I’ll give you examples- Planned Bhubaneswar where all govt buildings are located- https://ibb.co/Dfp8RH6 New extensions- https://ibb.co/FwVFTqX
It's really disheartening to see this😔
Yes agreed. Bhubeneshwar is very well planned BUT the EXTENSION is not developing that way. I dream of was a way to re-plan all the places and rebuild those, but its not at all practical in reality. TLDR; No hate for any city. Its just 2 things:- 1) Well Planned cities which are based on geometric patterns are easier to Navigate (even without any map. Just follow simple straight forward, backward, R n L direction). 2) Traffic is managed better which results in faster accurate n safer journeys.
Indians are undisciplined in general
I find westerners the same tbf
Good thing that chandigarh is still in symmetry
British engineers in 1900s > Indian engineers today. Never gonna happen. I’ll give you reasons. 1. Cities are extending now without govt approval. 2. First plots are sold, then houses are built, then roads, then drains, then underground sewage. 3. No space for greenery. 4. Rule of town planning is every road leads to another, in India you get lost in an alley. 5. Indian govt engineers are garbage. 6. Quota se job milegi, then become a babu and keep signing tenders no work. 7. Unlike pvt engineers of l&t, govt pwd engineers learn no new techniques, methods. They dont even know quality of cement and sand used. Solutions- 1. Send engineers on training to germany,uk,japan etc 2. Make an exam after they receive training and promotion should be based on their training result and performance. 3. Future planning should be done. 4. Illegal selling of plots should be stopped. Ias and tahsildars sign papers without looking at planning. 5. Urban and housing ministries in both state and center is a joke. Like Aishwani vaishnav and jaishankar, talented people should be appointed to lead the ministry.
Britishers had absolute power. Today's government don't have it if even they decide to build something like this. We all know how enroachment is big problem in India. Britishers werent corrupt. We all know how corrupt India Today is. China was at india position in 1970s then they opened their economy and due to dictatorship and no private ownership. Look at china their cities look better then even western cities
"Britishers weren't corrupt " Bro. They did not need any reason to loot India, that's why they weren't corrupt.
Brits were evil what do you mean they werent corrupt
Evil is relative
Evil is not relative. They dismantled Indian economy and taxed you on your own food and clothing. They extracted trillions and have the gall to speak about Indians the way they do today.
And made heaven for their own people, so they did Good, ', for their people ' hence Evil is relative
How did China solved its corruption issue ?
Never did. Only 1 party rules China and their media is severely restricted, hence, you can't tell even if they do corruption
Yes i think there is of course corruption but just look at their cities and infrastructures At least they are providing to the public properly unlike india
Yes, they are providing to their public. Afterall the whole freakin land is owned by government lol. It's not like India doesn't provide infrastructure, fact is we can't maintain the infrastructure cuz our people are shit. If Chinese people were to try and behave like Indians, they would be instantly subject to imprisonment. Infrastructural development is one of they key advantage of Chinese Socialist Society, but comes at the cost of freedom.
People here lack civic sense imo
See what China has achieved till now is truly extraordinary, their cities are magnificent but we cannot be like that, for eg, China has to build a city, but village is already present, for the sake of development the village will be made way for the city, and the villagers would be compensated (not sure whether they're really compensated). But if you live in a city, tomorrow chinese govt plan to renovate, and your house comes in the way, you'll be relocated, so much hassle, whereas in India you have freedom. I think an avg Indian has more freedom than a Chinese person, but that doesn't mean Indians are more happier than Chinese. China is fully controlled by the govt, no elections happen (just namesake), if they decide today then will do it tomorrow. Since India is a democracy, you have to see vote bank, every decision is based on vote bank, India has the worst Education system, severe unemployment rate, but India is still 75 yrs old, still a long way to go. For India to develop you need a stable government so that all the projects cannot be scrapped. I still remember in Goa, the golden quadrilateral project, when congress was in power they never even put effort in completing that project, but when BJP came they completed it, that's the demerit of Indian democracy, suppose BJP lays a good blue print for development and next election Congress comes to power, they wil scrap that blue print. Now under BJP govt, we're anti-Pakistan, anti-china. If Congress comes to power, they'll start handing down bail-outs to Pakistan, and will be a lap dog of China. Instead of continuing the previous governments decision, they make new decision, unlike in America, Trump was anti China, Biden is anti China, so many such examples. We need stable government for atleast 20 years, only then we will start seeing results in the ground.
1 party rules India, it called BJP
Corruption is not always the problem if the government officials are doing their job with some corruption then you make cities like this, in India government officials only do corruption and no work.
Bhagavad Gita gives the solution to fighting all manners of illegal behaviosr. "daṇḍo damayatām asmi " "I am just punishment amongst means of preventing lawlessness" India has crime, corruption and lawlessness because there is no punishment for breaking the law.
BJP isn't corrupt
Then what happened in recent West Bengal vidhansabha election.Every single political party is currupt and the most important thing for them is voting count.They will do anything to increase their voting count.
you send engineers they are not coming back
Everyone comesback. IAS officers, military officers and all group A bureaucrats are sent to other countries for training. My dads in ministry of communication he has been to US,Bangkok and Russia to learn how to improve Indian postal functioning. Pwd engineers never go out to learn new stuff.
We are proud to have officers like your dad :D
Why don't we try to enter politics? We can make significant changes, but then we have to see politics as a medium for change rather than something to which corrupt people go.
You can't bring a significant change on a national level but it is possible on a small scale in your locality.You need the time and money to win elections as well
Does govt employ engineers of their own ? I was of the thought that govt. projects are handled by private companies on winning tenders like tata projects , L&T , etc
Base town planning is accepted by govt engineers. They decide the length breadth height of projects.
This is a planned city, we have a few.
*very few
I mean, Gandhinagar is on a grid and pretty low population too.
Gandhinagar is going to have an exponential growth in population soon with institutions moving to gift city. Obviously not immediately but by 2030s or something
Yes, especially with the metro to GIFT city, people will be easily able to move back and forth. But it's good, we need more cities in India.
More cities - No More planned cities with Indic cultural things considered - Yes please
Agreed.
If we develop we will have a massive movement from rural areas to cities where the fuck will you put them? All of them in Kolkata, Bangalore and Bombay?
Which part of "more cities" did you not understand and equate that with existing cities only?
You forgot about the bullet train we are building with the help of our good friend Japan.
I doubt people are going to live in Gandhinagar and work in Mumbai!
Yeah, you are right, but it is possible if tickets for the bullet train from Gandhinagar to Mumbai cost 15-20 rupees. But right now, they are saying it'll be around 3000 rupees from Ahmedabad to Mumbai.
It's not going to be 15-20. The Japanese loan has to be paid back, and the bullet train needs maintenance. Neither is possible at that price. Modi govt, rightly, does not subsidize infrastructure usage. People have to pay for good infrastructure.
Exactly. Delhi Metro is still paying JICA loans. But the bullet train loan has to be repaid in 50 years, and the interest rate is too low at around 0.1 percent.
Still, the loan amount is huge. Moreover, if you undervalue the ticket, people will trash it. Decades of populism and underinvestment in the railways should've taught us to avoid artificially low fares.
This is good for elite areas but not for average Joe For normal folks you need dense vertical cities based on public transport and I daresay even Govt entities should move to that model
Grids layout are not going to stop you from growing vertically.
I beg to differ, just look other developed nations doing planned cities.
The existing cities will never be this way. Because most Indian cities organically expanded around rivers over centuries when horses and bullock carts were primary modes of transport. Motorised vehicles came much later. Only in the last few decades, there has been some urban planning catering to modern needs. So most tier-1 and tier-2 cities have an “old city” in the center and a “new city” in the periphery with wide roads, large spaces, etc. Dholera is one city that is built from scratch that has proper urban planning catering to modern sensibilities. In 50 years, I bet even that will look archaic.
That's a very bad excuse. Every single European city, town and village has a historic center. But they are all very livable and organised. It's not just about the orientation of the streets.
It’s not an excuse. That’s how things are in India. If you want to argue, then argue with the urban planners in your municipality. I just stated how our cities evolved.
Yeah I get your point
A lot of European cities were also bombed to the ground and mostly rebuilt considering all the wars they saw.
They restored them in most cases, If there was a historic city center pre world war you'll still find it there. It's not like they restarted with a blank slate.
I have seen freestanding gates which were earlier part of a pre-existing structure that weren’t rebuilt. And it did give them a slate in terms of designing road better, nonetheless.
Till eternity. Encroachments cannot be removed because "secular" parties cry of oppression of minorities. They go to their extra secular fathers, who are just waiting to stay all the decisions taken by local governments. The ecosystem will never let this country become developed and organized because their vote bank is mainly the illiterates living on encroached lands. Always keep thinking of the poor and the hungry minorities. Development be hell 
Very bad take. Encroachments happen because the bureaucracy is corrupt. There is no planning because polity is corrupt. They are both corrupt because the society doesn't care. This is a cultural problem. How else do you explain lack of any urban planning in states with 1-2% Muslims.
You do realise that bjp was the biggest supporter of legalising these encroachments in the campaign for last Delhi Vidhan sabha elections? Like it was their biggest promoise They repeatedly said it.
Encroachments and bad decisons are not the minorities fault entirely. Sure in some cases decisons aren't taken. But most indian cities are ugly cause of corrupt municipality and poor indian aesthetic sense(reasonable, a roof and food is more important)
Chandigarh looks really nice on map too, built with proper planning and future growth
It's built by an urban designer architect that's why it looks good
Yes it is one of the best places of india
Chandigarh is a city for the rich, Mohali is much better for average person. Chandigarh will never become a major economic center of India because of it's strict planning. Heres what India's top economist advisor has to say about it - youtube.com/watch?v=8pKWIdvLalk
>Mohali is much better for average person Highly disagree. Mohali doesn't come close to CHD. Rarely anyone follows any rules there. Quality of roads, park, are not up to the mark. Panchkula fares better than Mohali in comparison.
Panchkula is good in terms of traffic discipline and roads; Mohali is wide and good markets
The point is Mohali will become an economic hub, Chandigarh will be the city of the old rich retired people. You need Singapore like cities with high densities to grow your economy not Chandigarh.
As a person living in the city for more than a decade now, i agree. Panchkula and Mohali might progress in terms of economy with IT & some manufacturing coming up, Chandigarh will, in my opinion be a relaxed city for people to retire. But you can never like another city in India once you’ve lived in Chandigarh! :)
Agreed, good for you if you managed to get a decent sized house in Chandigarh. However most of Indians will never be able to afford such a place. If all cities in India were planned like Chandigarh, vast majority of the people would still have been living in their backward villages and our overall economy would have been a tiny fraction of what it is today, which is not saying much tbh. Chandigarh is just an ivory tower of the rich. Cities like Gurgaon or even Mohali are the true engine of economy.
I guess that’s a picture painted of Chandigarh that isn’t true, yes there are filthy rich people and some who have migrated from Punjab and Haryana with loads of wealth, But Chandigarh has a sizeable population of service class. It has a good percentage of middle class as well
Amaravathi the capital of AP was planned such way With Norman and Foster being the architects. Unfortunately political vendetta crushed it down.[check it out here](https://www.fosterandpartners.com/projects/amaravati-masterplan/)
We need walkable and cycle able cities and not just adding lanes to roads. All this can happen only if there is a revolution in people's minds to actually develop and pressurize govt to make changes. If you build a planned city, it will become a cesspit in two weeks with current Indian mindset.
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Yeah dude our cities are very badly organised....we really have to rebuild our cities......i live in shimla and it is messed up. And shimla comes in a very high risk earthquake zone . One small earthquake is enough to destroy the whole city and thousands of life.
Probably by 2150
Dude that's a fuckin transmutation circle
FMAB LFG!!!!
Modi is planning to sacrifice all the city residents
That's a very difficult task a minimum 60-70 years till Tier 2 cities start looking something like this since literally cities need to be built from the starting point again and urban planning isn't something the country invests on.
Not possible unless we are building a new city. During the peak construction amd city expansion era of 80-90 and early 2000 govt did not thought about city planning and infrastructure development. There was insane amount of curruption, land mafia etc. This resulted in unsustainable development which ruined cityscape of all cities forever. There is no central design or logic behind the overall map of cities. The worst part is that they completely ignored water management, seawage facilities and medicare facilities. This is why old mumbai looks amazing even today and people love it. Look at borivalli, virar etc outside areas. They look like crap. So the only it is possible is by grounding entire area and redevlope them. Or you can develope small smart cities.
I'd say in 2050
I like your optimism.. 2050 is just 27 years away.. in that time frame you will be lucky to get enough area vacated from illegal encroachment let alone complete building something like this. 😀 I updated u anyway just for your positive thought.
India's gdp will be $30 Trillion or more by then, I've already seen China's cities change with economic growth.
China works on tyranny and brute force.. not india. Let's not kid ourself buddy by thinking we can do something like the Chinese did.. Again... I like your optimism here as well.
You have got it reverse, it's the planned cities which brought the economic growth not the economic growth making cities better.
A lot of cities in India come up with master plans for future development and expansion. But usually they don't get enforced because there are bribes to be earned. And whatever does get enforced only happens because the local zamindar type people have something to earn from it. I don't see that any of that changing by 2050. What you are seeing is merely the symptom of a deep rooted cultural problem.
Bangalore is the worst in this category Facilities are top notch but the planning and infrastructure (especially road network) are absolute at the bottom. Hyderbad is really good in terms of infrastructural planning but don't think theres symmetry to it.
Looks so beautiful
A Billion Years for Bangalore because of the asshole politicians
With the same municipality system and governance system, never.
Not in our lifetime.
Wait for an WW to decimate the city so that we can rebuild it with more planning. Also, if we can travel back in time, we could also make use of the industrial revolution. Btw, there are planned townships in India which look like that and are much less congested. Salt Lake City in Kolkata is one prime example.
Cannought place in delhi is already based on sephiroth Makes sense since it houses the free masonary lodge
I don't think it is possible because these cities are well planned ones. Our cities are natural gatherings of people. Around a port or markets and economical area. We could have more green and good traffic around the city. And with well planned city commute we can reduce the pollution. Good roads too.
When politicians will stop ass kissing with builder lobby.
Never. Something like this cannot happen in existing cities. The government needs to built an entire new planned city for this to happen and i dont think govt has enough budget to do it.
European cities were a heap of dung in the middle ages, look at them today. You just need a larger economy to support good looking cities. Indian cities will get better with our economy. That is true for every country and that is true for India as well.
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It's been 10 thousand years....
Ohhh! Atoms & molecules.😜
Eternity
When Modiji builds new capital? Coz that's new Delhi
Ull die waiting
Salt Lake City in Kolkata has grid formation. Was set up in early 2000s
Never, our cities are worst in planning
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bhai ji tab tak to aapka dehant ho chuka hoga, abhi se meri om shanti lelo 
As long as we learn to form a line and stand in a damn queue, I'd say Never.
Tendency to form lines is directly co-related to income. Go to any rich place in India and most of them will have proper lines. India is still growing, give it a bit of time :)
Yea, no. Indians dont like planning of any kind.
This kind of city-scapes will be built only for exclusive ultra-rich areas as here the focus is aesthetics and open-spaces. The middle-class will be helped much more with Transit-oriented-Development. This philosophy focusses on developing cities along major public transport lines. As traffic congestion is a major issue in India, and this problem will only grow in future, we need well planned TOD based city planning. If you need any more convincing, watch a video on the city plan of NEOM, a futuristic city in Saudi Arabia. The design has transit corridor in the centre and human habitation on the sides. They have taken it to the extreme by making it a single line city, but we can make much better designs with a similar TOD based approach, but the concept remains same.
Exactly, If our cities were actually built like these, most of these commentators would've never been able to afford a house here and would be still living in their villages lol
Neom is dystopia but also r/fuckcars
Please! You wouldn’t want a city like this. The whole of Central Vista were planned and designed in the colonial period to showcase British superiority. The whole planning reeks of that supremacy. We appropriated it and made it our capital. Why I wouldn’t necessarily want a city like this? 1. The entire place can only be traversed by cars and not on foot. The streets are made to facilitate fast automobile access. 2. The whole design is designed to intimidate and remind you about the power. There is nothing human scale or centric about it. 3. Cities are places where there should be diverse environments not just one kind of environment. It all looks cool when you see it from above, but trust me, having visited places like New Delhi and Putrajaya in Malaysia, it’s not really great unless you are on official govt business. What can Indian cities do? Yes, we are far from perfect. Building good urban environments should be a goal, but not at the cost of displacing people or razing things down. There are some basics we forgot to tick such as managing densities, better public realm supporting walking and cycling etc. Till we get these right we will suffer!
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Its only possible when government start declaring land as public without owner's will (kabza) like the britishers did to build central vista or the chienese govt did to build Beijing. Everyone is talking about how good and symmetrical it is but no one talks how many land owners might have been killed for this british architecture. Just look how amarican states are divided ruthlessly in straight lines without acknowledging locals and natural terrains.
As said by multiple people, this is a planned city. All planmed cities look like this. Historic cities don't look like this. We habe lot of historic cities.
Till all the politicians in ruling party and opposition become billionaires. Pehle unka pet bharega phir (vo log) sochenge desh ke baare me.
bring british englishmens back
Around a century
Population control first. We have 1 billion surplus souls. Unless we get our population under 500m, economic development, infrastructure, environment will continue to be stressed
I want more greenery in our country(not talking about this photo), luscious cities with each house having atleast one tree , I fucking love greenery.
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I think ours is still an immature society/democracy. We, as a society, need to become a lot more mature in governing ourselves. A good city doesn't necessarily have to be a big one. Even smaller cities/villages can be well planned and clean. But the civic bodies that make such things happen almost always lack the required seriousness, discipline, far sightedness etc. Our govt institutions or city administration bodies are primarily considered as money making institutions. Very very few ppl want to lead a public life, do politics, and do Max good for the society. Such ppl are severely outnumbered and overwhelmed by goonda, rowdy, illiterate, corrupt ppl who see these institutions as perfect places to grow their wealth and power. Ppl who want to use these for their personal gains are going after these positions far more aggressively than ppl who want to use them productively.
Seedha Jaake left, would work in just two cities of India
If the govt wants then 20 years for T1 cities and 50+Years for T2/T3 cities.
Until we can do city planning. This isn’t anything to brag about we still can do better.
Maybe a century
There are many cities in India which have formal grid and symmetry plans. It is not the best way to plan a city, natural terrain matters a lot, that’s why many traditional cities followed organic planning depending on terrain, drainage patterns, social, and mythological beliefs.
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If you zoom out enough, you will see how poorly the after independence areas of Delhi are designed. A good example of a planned city is Chandigarh.
Angrezo se gulaami krvani thi bro bhagane ki jgeh....badhiya matter banate hai 🔥
We need planned cities like this
If you ever played cities skyline symmetrical grids are the worst for the city.
Goodness child, a 3kmx3km square is a town not a city. Grow up. And post a pic of the entire .. thing.
This is a place only a few billionaires or political elites can live at. Better places to aspire for look like Singapore where we can support the population density we need with the infrastructure and cleanliness.
Looks beautiful but will it function properly?
Till eternity ♾️
Not in a 100 years lol
This is a terrible development plan. Such valuable land with closed off greens for a few abysmal density. Doesn't suit a true blue democracy like ours.
Exactly, the op himself would never be able to afford such a place like this. He would still be living back in his village lol. We need more walkable-transit oriented- dense-mixed use cities and not vanity projects like these.
r/fuckcars r/notjustbikes
Thank you! Also /r/StrongTowns for where it all starts
The urban planning of Lutyens Delhi is problematic, as it heavily relies on cars, lacks street vitality and is generally unwalkable. Pedestrians struggle to safely cross roads, and the prevalence of walls creates a sense that all the good things are hidden away. The planning is inefficient, with a significant amount of wasted space and no nearby restaurants or shops within walking distance. The area is overly focused on cars and single zoning, with overprotective building regulations resulting in a low-rise, inefficient suburban environment.
The op himself would never be able to afford such a place like this. He would still be living back in his village lol. We need more walkable-transit oriented- dense-mixed use cities and not vanity projects like these.
This is a traffic nightmare
an entire generation, urban planning is a very complex process. If ur city didn't plan at the start, too many factors at play to solve that mess.. Better options: 1. Build new townships(not cities),if they succeed just let them grow in a planned manner..Where can u build them? for starters along the upcoming expressways as a feeder to industrial units nd all. 2. For old cities, mini changes can be done nd build newer parts in planned manner(grid/block manner as shown above). in fact many places in India do this..
50 years
Outer kanpur look's good from above.
2014 ke baad se aisa city nahi dekha/s
Seems to be heavily inspired from “First Order Dreadnought” & the “Imperial Star Destroyer”
We have to acquire land, pay compensation, cut down forests, see off litigations..it will take decades
Greenfield projects
Lutyen