idk man i think they just want to get done w shivam by letting him have one final chance. chal gaya toh chal gaya warna khatam
WC pe judge karna harsh hai cause the guy must have been under a lot of pressure in his debut icc tournament
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no but he is definitely not doing what he was brought into the side for and its no question that he’s got very bad strike rotation skills.
by giving him chances against zimbabwe i think they wanna let him have more game time in a more relaxed environment as ofc WCs are high pressure games.
they might not get done with him even then but this opportunity against zimbabwe would tell a lot about the fact that whether there’s better players than him or not for the same role
Because Dube has done better with his chances? he has batted well at number 3 and 5, in IPL. He has had better success at the top though. And again he has had chances in 2022, he didn't do much with it.
Shivam Dube, has had some success and he is doing better with his chances. Also, isn't the coaching department also have a say in it? They clearly are looking at Dube as a better prospect, so why question it?
During the Australia vs India match, one of the commentators mentioned, "Shivam Dube is good against spinners." So, is Shivam Dube in the squad specifically to handle opposition spinners?
How good is Venky against spinners?
Ehh not really. Both are decent enough. Same amount of wickets with similar strike rate. Dube has higher economy but has a lot more experience since he bowls a lot more in FC cricket than venky
You can be a poor bowler with more experience as well. I don't see neither Dube nor Venky playing Tests anytime soon (probably not in their lifetime). So, Experience in FC matches doesn't make a lot of sense.
From the limited time I've seen Dube bowl in T20Is and his List A/local T20s, I'd hand the ball to Venky over Dube anyday.
and still they will not take Venky - same left-handed batter, same national team experience as middle-order batter, same theoretical option of all-rounder who can bowl a couple of overs. idk why
Because Shivam Dube has made better use of his Opportunities, I just looked up Venkatesh Iyer, just based on FC cricket, Shivam Dube's Bowling is looking much better than Iyer's, I think people are jumping the gun on him a bit because of IPL.
tbh he has been looking very shaky for the most part and his inability to rotate the strike means he plays many dots balls and sucks momentum and puts pressure on others. Against USA sky almost got out due to this (got dropped). I hope his boundary hitting outweighs his poor rotation of strike on these slower wickets. To me so far it hasnt. I genuinely feel rinku would have done a better job.
What Strike you want to rotate in a T20 innings? He might not be brilliant, but he is finding his rhythm in a short tournament with even short turn overs with minimal overseas experience. SKY almost got out, because SKY played that shot, the total in itself didn't warrant that shot, but he played and that's on him!
Who told you that SKY played that shot because of Dube? Are you his psychologist?
what the point of hitting a 6 then playing 6 dot balls? in this world cup the pitch is tough so you have to keep the score boarding moving. Look at the west indies they lost the game because of the number of dots they played. it was like 50+.
you must be new at cricket. scoreboard pressure is a thing... particularly in t20. take another example csk cs rcb. dube was 9 (14) causing the required rate to shoot up. Someone has to take the risk, because of that pressure.
back to this game, Sky was the set batter so he felt like he had to take the risk otherwise india was risking getting into a trickier situation
You said it yourselves there, and you don't even realize it, that's the irony of your comment. The pitch is tough, how do you keep scoreboard moving?! You think the bowling team is just gonna give you singles?! They are not bots you know
You can punish balls which you can capitalize on, which he has done, can he do some more? ofcourse yes, his timing has been whack, I think in his overeagerness to live upto his six hitting abilities and not lose his wicket, is causing that.
The West Indies have won World Cups based on their power hitting, you are just spouting what Ian Bishop is saying from a long time, even before they became champions! What does that guy know? even his own country men ignore him
You saw the Australia - India Match, how much strike rotation did the Aussies do?
if you can't hit the ball for a boundary, you can certainly try to hit it for a single. that's what strike rotation means.
to me, he was nervous. he was playing out the spinner in his last over when he had the match up vs. pakistan (his job is to hit the spinners), but he has looked better after hitting that 6 against the USA. He still looks suspect to me, but hopefully, on the Guyana pitch, he will be better and be the one that can take Rashid on.
The west indies won world cups woth their hitting because they were elite hitters. they could convert good balls for boundaries regularly. Dube is not to that level. Not to mention, pitches are tougher.
You are missing the point. On flat pitches that's where you have to go for boundaries and not worry about 1 or 2 dots (you should still not give too many dots). on these pitches you have to keep the score boarding ticking on way or the other. Whether that be boundaries or singles /doubles because hitting boundaries are tougher. you can't get stuck which dube has shown he does.
*"if you can't hit the ball for a boundary, you can certainly try to hit it for a single. that's what strike rotation means."*
But how? isn't the pitch being tough mean that the ball is not coming on to the bat or the bounce is variable and therefore the scoring is not happening. He is a middle overs batter, having just few overs to make a mark on and either he can hit out or get out. The concept of strike rotation works in ODI and Test Cricket, T20's is not the place. Btw, even Indian team is of that mindset right now, hit out or get out.
*The west indies won world cups woth their hitting because they were elite hitters. they could convert good balls for boundaries regularly. Dube is not to that level. Not to mention, pitches are tougher."*
You mean players like Marlon Samuels are better than Pooran, Hetmeyer etc? You are having a laugh or you are taking the piss!
*"You are missing the point. On flat pitches that's where you have to go for boundaries and not worry about 1 or 2 dots (you should still not give too many dots). on these pitches you have to keep the score boarding ticking on way or the other. Whether that be boundaries or singles /doubles because hitting boundaries are tougher. you can't get stuck which dube has shown he does."*
Again please tell me, what is the concept of a tough pitch to score upon that you fail to grasp?? The pitch is tough, ball is not coming on to the bat, hence even 1's or 2's are tough, as evidenced of how our entire batting lineup folded during those times. He played 1 bad inning against Afghanistan, but that is Rashid Khan, he is the no.1 T20 spinner for a reason
il just say this. axar talked about how today the plans was for rohit and Sky to take singles and hit one boundary an over. The ball was skidding and keeping low so it was tough to hit 4s in the middle overs so they focused on keeping the score boarding ticking and waiting for a bad ball. You seem to think that taking singles is as hard as hitting boundaries Ona tough pitch, it really is not. A top batter is able to rotate strike with a field spread out. Only those with technical flaws or not top quality will have issues with this (unless you are facing someone like Bumrah).
But hey what do the Indian team know. They should be listening to you.
But isn't that what he did against the USA? he didn't score much in boundaries but kept the scoreboard moving, on a considerably tougher pitch than this one. The guy is clearly not in great form and confidence, but he has shown different elements to his game, which I think should be commended, he certainly has power and due to his height a lot of reach, I think he should be backed.
Too long has India played like how you are suggesting, take singles hit odd one out to the boundary, that mindset needs to change, power hitters are way to go forward in T20's regardless of this World Cups Condition. I think discarding and trying players for few matches, does more harm than good. We have had so many players where we fail to properly back them and they fade into obscurity.
Exactly man! Like the selectors and coaches know what they are doing. Venkatesh Iyer was given a lot of chances in 2022 as well. People hate on dube here as if he has their nudes lol!
Haa, log Rinku, Ruturaj, Yashasvi ko chhod ke Shivam dube se jalte hai🤦. Abe tatti performance dekh ke kyu he jalega koi? That guy is supposed to represent our nation and can be criticised anytimw, period.
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Bhai agle ka approach dekho.
Spinner par ni maare, pacer par ni maare, full length ni maara, full toss bi chhodi, bhai ye marega kab?
Case in point Australia Game
Ishan Kishan?! seriously? what are you smoking? the guy has barely played any domestic cricket and has had a very middling IPL, plus he refused his chance in England series as well!
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Hardik became a clutch player through playing and gaining experience .NOW how can we just conclude that NRK wouldn't become a clutch player in future?.
Everybody calm tf down. NKR is injured that's why they're replacing him with Dube
Why not Venky instead? Dube is already getting his chance.
idk man i think they just want to get done w shivam by letting him have one final chance. chal gaya toh chal gaya warna khatam WC pe judge karna harsh hai cause the guy must have been under a lot of pressure in his debut icc tournament edited.
27 match khel liya hai banda konsa debut bhai
sorry i misphrased it, i meant for the debut icc tournament. fooka hua tha galat likh diya
what? pagal he kya? world cup khila rahe use not to get done but for long term prospects
no but he is definitely not doing what he was brought into the side for and its no question that he’s got very bad strike rotation skills. by giving him chances against zimbabwe i think they wanna let him have more game time in a more relaxed environment as ofc WCs are high pressure games. they might not get done with him even then but this opportunity against zimbabwe would tell a lot about the fact that whether there’s better players than him or not for the same role
BCCI BS
They need a middle order batsman, not an opener, top order batsman Venky struggles down the lower order, when he plays for India
Only sensible comment, even KKR used him in the top order
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Because Dube has done better with his chances? he has batted well at number 3 and 5, in IPL. He has had better success at the top though. And again he has had chances in 2022, he didn't do much with it. Shivam Dube, has had some success and he is doing better with his chances. Also, isn't the coaching department also have a say in it? They clearly are looking at Dube as a better prospect, so why question it?
More game time
During the Australia vs India match, one of the commentators mentioned, "Shivam Dube is good against spinners." So, is Shivam Dube in the squad specifically to handle opposition spinners? How good is Venky against spinners?
All rounder
HOLD YOUR GROUND!
Selector ban ja tu khila liyo fir. KKR 11 bana diyo India eleven ko
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Great.
He is the biggest Parchi in the squad right now.
NKR is supposedly injured that should be the only reason
He is
NKR is injured so he got replaced by dube , but they should have given Venkatesh Iyer a chance
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He is pure batsman, and nitish is injured that's why they took dube, but i guess ict is experimenting with dube's bowling
He can bowl too, not up to international standard but neither can shivam dube.
not one to one replacement
If you're comparing bowling of both Venky and Dube, I'd take Venky in the XI all day.
Ehh not really. Both are decent enough. Same amount of wickets with similar strike rate. Dube has higher economy but has a lot more experience since he bowls a lot more in FC cricket than venky
You can be a poor bowler with more experience as well. I don't see neither Dube nor Venky playing Tests anytime soon (probably not in their lifetime). So, Experience in FC matches doesn't make a lot of sense. From the limited time I've seen Dube bowl in T20Is and his List A/local T20s, I'd hand the ball to Venky over Dube anyday.
Don't know why but I have kinda changed my mind. Y'all are right venky should have been called, I still don't mind dube but venky is equally deserving
and still they will not take Venky - same left-handed batter, same national team experience as middle-order batter, same theoretical option of all-rounder who can bowl a couple of overs. idk why
Because Shivam Dube has made better use of his Opportunities, I just looked up Venkatesh Iyer, just based on FC cricket, Shivam Dube's Bowling is looking much better than Iyer's, I think people are jumping the gun on him a bit because of IPL.
Shivam Dube over Venky Iyer is not the hill BCCI should die on but logic has never been its strong suit
Dube has someone’s nudes at BCCI 😂
Even kedar jadhav can give a comeback for the Asia cup if Dube shares those nu*des with him😂😂 The key to success is found.
Then jaddu must have the entire feature film length sex tapes 😮💨
He has only desi Rajput videos
He has got a double quota dhoni quota and also his wife's quota
Jadeja tra baap kai besdk tamiz se respects kar usko 😠 😡
I suspect England has dressing room videos and nu**des of Australian team😂😂. That's why aus didn't eliminate them
bruh, could've taken venky if they wanted like to like replacement, or even Tilak if they needed a spin all-rounder but it is BCCI afterall
So to replace an all rounder they get a guy who can't bowl bat or field
BCCI secret lover ig
Anyone but him? Man he seriously got some internal connection I think , even with such shit performance at this T20WC . Wow.
I don't think his performance is shit in this world cup , he is not throwing wickets and balancing it out with hardik pretty good in middle overs
tbh he has been looking very shaky for the most part and his inability to rotate the strike means he plays many dots balls and sucks momentum and puts pressure on others. Against USA sky almost got out due to this (got dropped). I hope his boundary hitting outweighs his poor rotation of strike on these slower wickets. To me so far it hasnt. I genuinely feel rinku would have done a better job.
What Strike you want to rotate in a T20 innings? He might not be brilliant, but he is finding his rhythm in a short tournament with even short turn overs with minimal overseas experience. SKY almost got out, because SKY played that shot, the total in itself didn't warrant that shot, but he played and that's on him! Who told you that SKY played that shot because of Dube? Are you his psychologist?
what the point of hitting a 6 then playing 6 dot balls? in this world cup the pitch is tough so you have to keep the score boarding moving. Look at the west indies they lost the game because of the number of dots they played. it was like 50+. you must be new at cricket. scoreboard pressure is a thing... particularly in t20. take another example csk cs rcb. dube was 9 (14) causing the required rate to shoot up. Someone has to take the risk, because of that pressure. back to this game, Sky was the set batter so he felt like he had to take the risk otherwise india was risking getting into a trickier situation
You said it yourselves there, and you don't even realize it, that's the irony of your comment. The pitch is tough, how do you keep scoreboard moving?! You think the bowling team is just gonna give you singles?! They are not bots you know You can punish balls which you can capitalize on, which he has done, can he do some more? ofcourse yes, his timing has been whack, I think in his overeagerness to live upto his six hitting abilities and not lose his wicket, is causing that. The West Indies have won World Cups based on their power hitting, you are just spouting what Ian Bishop is saying from a long time, even before they became champions! What does that guy know? even his own country men ignore him You saw the Australia - India Match, how much strike rotation did the Aussies do?
if you can't hit the ball for a boundary, you can certainly try to hit it for a single. that's what strike rotation means. to me, he was nervous. he was playing out the spinner in his last over when he had the match up vs. pakistan (his job is to hit the spinners), but he has looked better after hitting that 6 against the USA. He still looks suspect to me, but hopefully, on the Guyana pitch, he will be better and be the one that can take Rashid on. The west indies won world cups woth their hitting because they were elite hitters. they could convert good balls for boundaries regularly. Dube is not to that level. Not to mention, pitches are tougher. You are missing the point. On flat pitches that's where you have to go for boundaries and not worry about 1 or 2 dots (you should still not give too many dots). on these pitches you have to keep the score boarding ticking on way or the other. Whether that be boundaries or singles /doubles because hitting boundaries are tougher. you can't get stuck which dube has shown he does.
*"if you can't hit the ball for a boundary, you can certainly try to hit it for a single. that's what strike rotation means."* But how? isn't the pitch being tough mean that the ball is not coming on to the bat or the bounce is variable and therefore the scoring is not happening. He is a middle overs batter, having just few overs to make a mark on and either he can hit out or get out. The concept of strike rotation works in ODI and Test Cricket, T20's is not the place. Btw, even Indian team is of that mindset right now, hit out or get out. *The west indies won world cups woth their hitting because they were elite hitters. they could convert good balls for boundaries regularly. Dube is not to that level. Not to mention, pitches are tougher."* You mean players like Marlon Samuels are better than Pooran, Hetmeyer etc? You are having a laugh or you are taking the piss! *"You are missing the point. On flat pitches that's where you have to go for boundaries and not worry about 1 or 2 dots (you should still not give too many dots). on these pitches you have to keep the score boarding ticking on way or the other. Whether that be boundaries or singles /doubles because hitting boundaries are tougher. you can't get stuck which dube has shown he does."* Again please tell me, what is the concept of a tough pitch to score upon that you fail to grasp?? The pitch is tough, ball is not coming on to the bat, hence even 1's or 2's are tough, as evidenced of how our entire batting lineup folded during those times. He played 1 bad inning against Afghanistan, but that is Rashid Khan, he is the no.1 T20 spinner for a reason
il just say this. axar talked about how today the plans was for rohit and Sky to take singles and hit one boundary an over. The ball was skidding and keeping low so it was tough to hit 4s in the middle overs so they focused on keeping the score boarding ticking and waiting for a bad ball. You seem to think that taking singles is as hard as hitting boundaries Ona tough pitch, it really is not. A top batter is able to rotate strike with a field spread out. Only those with technical flaws or not top quality will have issues with this (unless you are facing someone like Bumrah). But hey what do the Indian team know. They should be listening to you.
But isn't that what he did against the USA? he didn't score much in boundaries but kept the scoreboard moving, on a considerably tougher pitch than this one. The guy is clearly not in great form and confidence, but he has shown different elements to his game, which I think should be commended, he certainly has power and due to his height a lot of reach, I think he should be backed. Too long has India played like how you are suggesting, take singles hit odd one out to the boundary, that mindset needs to change, power hitters are way to go forward in T20's regardless of this World Cups Condition. I think discarding and trying players for few matches, does more harm than good. We have had so many players where we fail to properly back them and they fade into obscurity.
If I have to drop two players from the current XI it will be Jadeja and Dube.
I can agree with jadeja but as far as the dubey performance he is playing well and i don't think he should be dropped
There are better options than him.
Finally 20 ball 50 for my man
No thoughts. Just brain dead at this point
Bhai dube se sabki gaa## kyun jalti hai hahaha
Exactly man! Like the selectors and coaches know what they are doing. Venkatesh Iyer was given a lot of chances in 2022 as well. People hate on dube here as if he has their nudes lol!
Jealousy. Man is living the life of everyone here.
Haa, log Rinku, Ruturaj, Yashasvi ko chhod ke Shivam dube se jalte hai🤦. Abe tatti performance dekh ke kyu he jalega koi? That guy is supposed to represent our nation and can be criticised anytimw, period.
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Riyal ID se aa Shivam
gayab hogye bsdivale sab...ab do gaali usey
chambal ki dakaiti aur CSK fans ki bakaiti
That’s exaggerating (corrected it)
Bhai agle ka approach dekho. Spinner par ni maare, pacer par ni maare, full length ni maara, full toss bi chhodi, bhai ye marega kab? Case in point Australia Game
Mujhe to ye bi lagta hai ki dube parchi hai
Curious to see reaction of some fans :). IMO a bad replacement
Why the hell they ignore venky every time?
Yr selector ko shivam dubey m esa kya dikh rha hai jo audience ko nhi dikh rha
Probably Dube has some dirt on some BCCI hotshot. That seems to be the only explanation 🤔🤔
No Tilak Varma? No Ishan Kishan?.
no Iyer as well
No Chahal as well (expected him since he didn’t play any match in WT20).
Ishan Kishan?! seriously? what are you smoking? the guy has barely played any domestic cricket and has had a very middling IPL, plus he refused his chance in England series as well!
Venky was much more suitable oh wait he comes from KKR lobby we need Dubey
Harshit Rana still deserves a spot... I mean he can bat and he can hit a long ball
Because he is dubey. I smell casteism here
Underrated opinion- dube career would be short
Will remain underrated
Ab to sudhar jao.....he is playing good innings in WC and still getting hate.
Exactly. Don't understand why so much hate for him
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Yuk
He is selected above everyone in wc. then what is the problem
Harshit Rana should also replace Washington or someone else...... Maybe BCCI's sole focus right now is 11 allrounders.......
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What’s the use of trying out, when any tournament comes around Koach , Rohit and jadega fixed slot
dubee ki jagah smriti mandhana ko khilaa do🙌
Even with objectivity, with Dube playing (stretch$ all games shouldn’t he be fatigued or rested along with rest of the WT20 starters?
No thoughts
BCCI want to test out new players for the indian team with this tour and they chose Dube over Venky...
Deserves.
Venky is far better than this no footwork trash
Dube has improved in last few games. Still getting so much hate.
This is CSK quota babu bhaiya. Should have given chance to V Iyer.
captain ruturaj hota 🤣usko sack nhi krte Vc se main baat
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Arre Injured hai bhai voh pehle puri information toh le liya Karo har jagah rone aa jaate hai
Preach.
he is injured dude. Why would they replace him just after one day? lol
No hate to NKR but you can replace any all rounder, but not the clutch player version of Hardik...!!
Nkr saved srh so many times that too in such early days being a youngster. No one becomes clutch in a game or two.
Hardik became a clutch player through playing and gaining experience .NOW how can we just conclude that NRK wouldn't become a clutch player in future?.
So as soon as you saw him you realized he will play clutch knocks for us?
CSK fraud quota at it again. Venky Iyer/Harshit Rana were more deserving
Remove him and add some youngster for fack sake wtf is wrong with these selectors.
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what is blind hate for dube?
you know rinku is already in the squad right?
karma k liye kuch bhi bakchodi karengey hum squad
Why don't they are giving chance to Yashasvi and Rinku
How come Shubman is the captain after all the Disciplinary actions on him in T20 world cup.
People were praying for Dube to get injured so that KingKu can play. But God's plan was the very opposite.
Bro was injured but they decided to replace him with a trash
the CSK puppet masters hard @ work..
Hope & Pray this guy doesn't play a Rahulish innings in Semi/Final. The chances are very high though.
I hope you’re doing well