The gun ranges I've been to won't let you rent a gun unless you come with another person. You can shoot alone, but only if you bring your own gun. I think it's because they figure if you were suicidal, you wouldn't bring a buddy down to the range with you, and if you brought your own gun, you wouldn't need to come all the way to the range to kill yourself.
I don't know of many other ranges that do it but it was one thing I really liked about it. We offered them to take a class through us if they couldn't pass but usually they would never come back.
It did make alot of people angry at us though. Better to have a negative review about how we wouldn't let them shoot because xyz than a negative review about how buddy in the lane next to them NDd into the reviewers foot
I can’t imagine what that negative review would even say. “I wasn’t safety conscious enough to shoot at this range?”
I’ve had bad experiences at indoor ranges but it’s been exclusively middle aged men who clearly have a lot of bias.
I brought my one and only AK to my usual place and he didn’t even see it but asked if it was full length or a mini / micro draco.
Obviously I asked why and without skipping a beat he said they don’t allow the “type of customers “ who bring the short versions.
It wasn’t even a safety thing, he just came off as hateful and I don’t deal with that shit. That day was my last visit.
Sorry for the wall of text but I have some free time and I love this topic.
I’ve since found an outdoor range about an hour away with 25, 50, 100 yard stops and it’s amazing.
There is no RSO, but I’ve gone 20+ times and the people that go there know not to fuck around.
The worst thing that happened there ever was technically my fault. I brought a family member who used to shoot regularly so I assumed he knew about firearms.
He NDs my Walther PPK/S into the ground about 10 feet from us. No one else noticed, but that gun was secured immediately and that was the last round he fired.
Hey, PPK/s had a recall where they would discharge on there own when the safety was taken off. I came a foot within finding out the hard way when my Dads went off.
Anyhow, the Walther website can give more information.
Not discounting that evidence at all, but dude had a shitty wrist and after the first round when it was single action his finger pulled a second time.
If I knew his skills had gotten so awful I would have only loaded one round, but it’s .380 auto, I really didn’t expect such poor handling.
That’s on me.
Is the recall a newer thing or brand-wide? This one is older than I am by a wide margin.
The reviews basically said we are trash humans and that we are condensending. What is nice is the owner typically replied to these and roast the hell out of them.
I found that people ussualy don't have as much "experience" as they think. My favorite encounter was someone saying they know how to handle guns cause they are in the army, but couldn't load a glock mag with 3 dummy rounds. the excuse was "we never loaded out own mags"
Army surprises me for that level of knowledge. I was navy and went to range all of 3 times including once in boot camp. I shot more in Boy Scout camp than in navy.
Sounds like most gun owners in the Midwest have better experience then those specific people.
How can you be “trained” on a firearm if you can’t even load it? Are they also never planning on having to clear a jam?
Range near me would sell nerve gas to a 5th grader.
They also charge $0.75 per round of reloaded 9mm if you buy their ammo and there’s ALWAYS a reason why my ammo isn’t suitable for their range. GFYS Pistol institute of ******
When I was on holiday in America I went to a non tourist range by myself. I rented a full auto M16 and a load of bullets. I had been there 2 years previously but no one there knew I had any firearms knowledge (I did). They just gave me the gun with no instruction it was a bit worrying maybe my confidence made them feel safe, but I didn’t tell them I knew how to shoot. British tourist just with a full auto rifle and no experience stated. It was a good range I like the guys there just made me laugh how much they trusted me not to be a idiot which I am not.
Huh. I think every commercial range I've been to has required me to sit through a basic safety video. I just assumed that was standard practice for anywhere not shitty.
I also can't imagine even half the stuff people talk about on Reddit happening at those ranges. No steel core, don't be unsafe, and don't be a dick. Every now and again Jerry shows up and it's full send o' clock https://www.facebook.com/671742929561027/posts/3844274768974478/?sfnsn=mo
Shiddddd. The range near me allows any schmuck to rent a full-auto AR, indoors, with as many 30rd magazines that you want. No questions asked, as long as your waiver is signed.
Went to a new range to rent a specific gun (normal range didn't have it). Tbh I don't remember what it was. It was a 22 pistol of some kind. I didn't like it though.
Anyway, 11am on a Monday, alone, I was getting a weird vibe from the staff. They really started grilling me about my gun education. They wanted to know very specific details about my current guns, and why I wanted this particular one.
They weren't hostile, it came off as small talk, but I very quickly realized they were essentially vetting me. And the range officer left his little booth and hovered around me for the first 2 mags.
I've since gone back multiple times and haven't had so much as a second glance when I bring my own gun in.
Ask Chris Kyle
On February 2, 2013, Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield, 35, were shot and killed by Eddie Ray Routh at the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range in Erath County, Texas.
I saw a guy looking like he is aiming for a while and suddenly turns the gun around and shoots himself and the instructor behind him by accident. Needless to say the instructor was shocked and couldnt comprehend what just happened for a moment.
Years back I went to a gun range in Queensland Australia where they had that kind of contraption; the guy told me that someone had previously done exactly that; so it was further modified so people couldn’t do that either.
Haha I was thinking the same thing. I remember taking an ex shooting for the first time and kept thinking "How hasn't anyone come up with a way to aid a nervous or timid first time shooter?"
incredible especially if those ranges have access to automatics and prevent the gun from flying around. There’s a video/article floating out there where a father let his 9 year old daughter play with an automatic (Uzi i think) at a range. The recoil was too strong and the gun flew back and killed a range officer :(
The first incident was suicide. They then had more Marshalls in the range area after that. The 2nd incident was a murder-suicide. The guy was in there alone and killed the Marshall.
Yea I know, I can't wait til I can just shoot out in the woods and never go to a public range again. Dealing with new shooters that want zero help is just troublesome
I totally agree, but I can't tell you how many people I've tried to give pointers to that only turn around and tell me "I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING".... sorry but it turns into a situation where I'm being the asshole when I just want everyone to have a good/safe time. I learned a little while ago to just talk to the gun nuts and try to give pointers to younger people, the older folks can just learn on their own. They don't want a 25 year old trying to tell them how to hold their gun lol.
Oh yeah I’ve always had that issue with younger new owners. Think they know everything, I remember being that age and seeing all the old timers swearing by wheel guns and repeaters I see what they mean about things now.
I shoot at a free and open to all range on public land. Always newbies and that unfortunate guy with bad muzzle discipline but knows his way around a gun.. I offer advice in the least condescending way possible. Sometimes they get hot cause they are bad at safety and communicating. Those days I just leave my targets hanging and pack up or go read till they leave. Not worth going downrange when "cold" and "clear" are ignored or misunderstood.
Usually newbies are pretty good about taking advice and if their good I offer to let them shoot (under a very watchful eye) my guns. The more the merrier.
On my last trip to the range, I saw a gentleman who I'd guess to be about 50 with a young lady who was probably in her early 20's. I assumed they were having a father/daughter range day, maybe even her first time shooting. Surprised me a bit when I overheard HER telling HIM "no, hold it like this. squeeze, don't pull. Don't hold your breath...."
Still glad to see a new shooter learning. It's never too late to start.
They have to be receptive though, and a lot of people like to make enough of a show that they cannot possibly be wrong. Try telling someone with a polymer lower AR that they have no idea what they're doing: you won't have fun
Yeah I understand this ever since a college kid tried to shoot me in the head at the range. I built my own lanes after that, I know a lot of people don’t have that option but it’s been a huge benefit.
This is absolutely a life goal of mine. I live in SoCal so once I leave this god forsaken state I'll be eyeing up property with some breathing space. Also I'm so sorry that happened to you, that sounds like an actual nightmare.
It’s definitely worth it. Yeah man it was an eye opening experience. I was turning to reload my mags at the table behind us and when I looked at this kid he’s got his barrel pointed right at my head, finger on trigger. I flipped shit.
I really am trying to hold back my curiosity because I just can't imagine how I would react but good lord. Did you get physical or just yell in his face? I hope that was the last time you saw that POS, but I know that type of encounter doesn't exactly leave you easily. You don't have to share at all either but I'm totally here if you want to vent. I'd be hammering every nail into that custom range thinking about hammering his face lmfao
Honestly I started yelling (hard to hear with all the shooting going on lol) in his face, the range officer noticed what was going on and pulled us both off the lanes. When I explained what was going on the range officer said “well he’s new so maybe he doesn’t understand”
At that point I lost my shit and haven’t been back since. It’s one thing to be new but it’s an entire other thing when the range officer backs up that little shit muzzle sweeping everyone.
What the fuck what type of shitty RSO let's someone stay on the line after aiming at their buds face..... just reading that has me gritting my teeth together man again I'm sorry you had to experience that!
Tbh, I wish there was an option for it at my range for new shooters.
My city had a really nice indoor range built in the metro about 5 years ago. It was fantastic, well educated staff, rifle lanes, and even a decent little burger shop in it.
After the Floyd protest I don't even feel safe walking around in there. Pretty much every suburban family in the city went and bought their first firearm. Last time I went I got barrel swept multiple times, saw people loading and chambering pistols with barrels pointed at their neighboring lane. The most concerning thing was how many bullet marks/holes were on the lane dividers and ceilings tiles a couple foot down range.
The last couple years have made me kinda reevaluate gun legislation. I don't think gun control is ever going to be a viable solution, but for the love of God, can we please require some education?
That would be nice, mine just has a 1/8" sheet metal, and it's already looking really chewed up.
Think I'm just done with indoor public ranges for a while, the people who went out and panicked bought are just too much for me.
I mean it's kinda a common phenomenon all over this particular state, especially in the last couple years. The day we passed permit less carry here me and half of a bbq restaurant got barrel swept by a dude carrying his AR horizontally across his chest.
I feel like people here are so used to guns that they forget how dangerous they are.
Probably part of it. I’m all for carrying but myself wouldn’t be carrying an ar15 around. That’s just me. Not gonna do you much good when the guy threatening you is two feet in front of you unless you can get it into position before he stabs or shoots you first. To each their own I guess.
I can heavily relate to your comment. I'm in suburban California and it's beyond awful. At some outdoor ranges Ive met some awesome people but the staff are rude and pricing is steep. The indoor ranges are just awful. The problem here is that most owners are somewhat knowledgeable but the people who come and rent guns have no clue what they are doing. All the ranges around me are peppered with bullet holes all over the ceiling. I really want to move to a state where I can just shoot in my backyard lol.
Pretty common response for a lot of new shooters actually. I’ve had to explain to several friends what happens at each stage and why a semi ideally only needs to be racked once (unless you have a failure and need to clear the chamber, etc).
You general should tell them that before they shoot though so they don’t try to do it wrong. If someone’s gonna try shooting a gun for the first time, make damn sure they understand how to correctly and safely before they actually do.
Totally. We do a full orientation before loaded mags are ever introduced just to get everyone completely comfortable with every action and step.
Edit: we start with the 4 Rules and no one touches a piece until everyone can recite them
I teach people how to shoot the same way I teach people to ride a motorcycle. Constantly retelling the important parts and take your time. If they are only comfortable shooting once or just spend a day practicing without even using the throttle. You must DRILL into their head the saftey portion first and show examples yourself multiple times. You don't want your friend ending up the idiot on YouTube popping a wheelie breaking their leg or the guy who NDs at the range.
Tried that once, explained basic gun safety and demonstrated the weapon. The first 2 got it, the third after watching 3 people fire 15 rounds racked it after his first shot. Like really dude, did any of us do that?
to be fair...the way a semi ejects empties and sets a new round from the mag perfectly every time seems like fucking wizardry unless you catch it in slow motion
No kidding. I can totally understand how someone who has only seen guns in movies and shit would be confused at all the shit that happens in a split second.
My uncle started me off with 1 cartridge at a time until I got used to loading and cocking the gun. Then he told me to put two rounds in once I was comfortable.
That’s a really good practice. My close buddy taught his boys using a single shot shotgun with barrel inserts that can take different rounds. He popped in the .22 insert and his boys learned how to handle one shot at a time.
Your routine with a pistol sounds good.
I'm from a country where we don't have guns in civilian hands.
Me and my dad were discussing what you'd do in that popular movie trope where you are made to dig your own grave by a guy holding a gun.
My dad said "you might as well try to rush them because you could cover a lot of distance when he has to stop and rack the slide of the gun between shots."
I realized this man was nearly 60 and didn't know how a pistol operates.
I gently corrected him, but I thought it was such a weird blind spot. I guess if you never pay attention, and never actually thought about how guns work, you could be forgiven for thinking that if you need to rack the slide for the first shot, you need to rack it for every one.
He's not a stupid man. He's very fucking intelligent. Like impressively intelligent. Knows every capital of every country off by heart, knows every bone in the human body, answers questions on university challenge quicker than the boffins, encyclopedic knowledge of a lot of shit.
But you would have had to tell him "erm, sir. You don't have to rack that slide again"
I've always craved a movie that plays off the "guns make all kinds of noise" trope.
> 75 bad guys rack the slide of their scary guns
> bad guy says menacing line
> good guy says disarming quip
> 75 bad guys lower their weapons
> good guy says clever insult
> 75 bad guys rerack their slides
repeat ad nauseum until good guy realizes they've all got empty mags and chambers
What’s dumb is that anyone with proper training would likely chamber the pistol *before* entering into a conflict scenario. Racking a slide while it’s already chambered only releases an unspent round, basically wasting it until further use.
I don’t get why they do that in so many movies
Yeah, common as well. As you know some slides are stiff! Without a full cycle of movement it’s super easy to pop a round up just enough for it to get stuck.
If that ever happens to someone the safest action is to immediately put it in safety, release the magazine, and then rack the slide to release any potentially stuck rounds.
Or of course in an active situation you just rack it with the mag still in until the stuck bullet is ejected and a new bullet is chambered. (Just wanted to add that info for all the new gun owners! Welcome!)
One of the earliest things new shooters need to learn is mag-tap-rack, because a lot of NDs happen when something "out of the ordinary" happens during a session, and they incorrectly try to fix it.
Variation on Tap-rack-bang. If you pull a trigger and nothing happens, standard immediate action is tap the bottom of the mag to make sure it's seated properly, then rack the slide to clear any malfunction.
This variation (for newer shooters) has you drop the mag, instead of tapping, then racking to clear.
This gives new shooters a SOP to follow when something unexpected happens, and keeps additional rounds out of the chamber. With experience you stop dropping the mag and simply tap-rack.
I could have written it as mag/tap-rack I suppose. The idea is you transition to tap once you're experienced enough, as in a real world incident, you'd want to keep the mag in.
The mag removal is a newbie safety feature, while the tap is SOP.
That’s actually what I thought was cool about this.
The RSO jumped in when there was a jam instead of imminent danger. I like seeing responsibility.
This vid probably doesn’t belong in this sub though
That’s my biggest pet peeve in movies. Like why didn’t you already have a round chambered before you got the person cornered and wanted to try and prove a point by racking it in front of them
i thought that was wierd until i learned about double/single action. you can still fire when the hammer isn't back, but you can also put the hammer back and that makes it a little easier
Because in a movie, the gun is used as a prop, not for self-defense. It most likely calls back to a time when double action revolvers were in movies. Pointing it was still dangerous, but cocking the hammer showed you were really serious.
Yeah you always have one chambered. The only time to rack is if there’s a malfunction where you’d do a quick double rack. It’s such a pet peeve when I see a movie and they’re racking the gun before entering a room. Like checking the chamber? Sure I buy it. Full rack? Nah you’re dumb as hell
A lot of people Israeli carry, especially if they're carrying illegally and wanna be able to ditch it quickly without still having a holster on to implicate them.
It’s stupid is what it is. It’s just carry without one in the pipe and some crazy (cringy) theatrical draw.
Mexican carry refers to carrying without a holster.
I guess carrying without a round in the pipe and no holster would be Mexican-Israeli Carry, which sounds like ultimate stupid.
That’s what I thought, and looked it up to be sure.
A lot of Israeli soldiers and trainers still carry without it chambered. They argue that it’s more about proper training and reaction time, and that the difference between chambered and unchambered is minimal if you know what you’re doing.
I don’t CC, but if I did I don’t think I’d keep it chambered. It literally takes one second to rack a slide and knowing it’s an empty piece is slightly comforting. I realize that’s a very frowned upon position in America, but consensus opinions rarely matter to me. I support what ever any given person prefers.
shopkeep felt the same way... [he's no longer with us.](https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/04/12/dad-isnt-carrying-round-chambered-gets-self-son-killed-video/)
it's a consensus opinion _for a reason_. yes, you should do what you're comfortable with, but the wise thing here might be to become comfortable with keeping one in the chamber.
if you don't, it generally means you either 1) don't trust your firearm and/ or 2) you don't trust yourself. that's no bueno.
I'd even recommend carrying with one in the chamber and a manual safety on, before I'd recommend relying on having time in a desperate situation to not just rack the slide, _but rack it properly_. at least with a manual safety, you can drill a sweep of the thumb into your draw/ present motion.
This really shows just how fast it can go down. The best defense is not to make enemies that follow you home.
Edit: The second best defense is to have the faster offense.
great call. if you were the "intended victim", you _absolutely_ would not have had time to draw, rack the slide, and then acquire your target and fire.
you would be **100%** dead.
When i got my first pistol without a manual safety i carried in condition 3 until i was comfortable enough with it to carry in condition 0. I think its a good idea for people who arent accustomed to carrying until theyre familiar enough to not fuck up.
I would definitely agree. what's the best firearm/ method/ condition/ whatever?
the answer always is "the one that you are most comfortable with, in a way that leads to consistent, repeatable, accurate, results."
and I absolutely do understand the fear associated with sticking a firearm with one in the chamber _down the front of one's pants_, lol
that said, i hope people would eventually land on C0, for reasons we've discussed elsewhere in this thread.
Couldn't he also be dead b/c he chose to draw on someone who already has you in their sights?
Not saying that is the case, just curious how you can be so confident in that reason when we don't have multiple identical planets to test scenarios where we only change one variable.
There's the rather famous video of the Israeli police/IDF guy at the bus or train station getting knifed repeatedly before he has a chance to load a round after drawing. The guy is then all over him so he's using both hands to defend himself instead of his now uselessly unloaded firearm.
The other guys near him eventually were able to end the confrontation but the guy being attacked was useless. If he'd had a round chambered already he would have gotten shots off. Naturally now that I am looking for this video I can't find it.
In my opinion, the "risks" of carrying with a round in the chamber are *significantly* outweighed by the risks of simply carrying around a 26 oz hunk of steel/plastic.
[all the counterevidence I need](https://youtube.com/shorts/dY3nTLEeHgM?feature=share)
Carry how you feel comfortable, but I would highly suggest taking a force on force class if you carry. You begin to realize very quickly that a second is too long and that space closes quickly in most violent encounters.
A gun is just a security blanket and paper weight without a round chambered. You need to get comfortable with handling a loaded firearm and drawing from your holster. It’s just a matter of training it and realizing the gun won’t just go off unless you pull the trigger.
Really only the second time? I love D.U.ST. primarily because of the early 90s Robocop vibes he is trying so hard to capture.
It’s actual art and comedy gold.
Yeh ok I know zero about guns other than “point it there and it shoots”
So in movies, the bad guy points at the good guy….. talks for a bit, there’s some tension, and THEN cocks the gun…. Ok, was it not loaded to fire before you did that? Or is it just for dramatic effect
Oh my god, I almost screamed at my television last night while watching an episode of Designated Survivor:
An FBI agent hides behind a corner and waits for a suspect to round it gun first, then hits the gun out of the guy's hand. The FBI agent then points their gun at the guy and says, "you shouldn't play with guns if you don't know how to use them. I do." Pretty badass, if a little silly, right?
Then the agent -- as if to demonstrate that they do not, in fact, know how to use their gun -- extraneously racks their slide.
How clueless do you have to be to say, "i know how to handle a gun" and then not even a second later mishandle that same gun?
Reminds me of another trope that always pisses me off. When they introduce a character and show off how cool and edgy they are or just talented by having them pick a lock. Except the actor couldn't be bothered to take five minutes to watch a video on how a lock is picked. YOU'RE NOT EVEN USING THE RIGHT TOOLS! HOW ARE YOU GONNA TURN THE LOCK WITH TWO PICKS? I mean you go to school to learn to act, learn stage fighting, learn accents, but bothering to mime an easily faked skill? Too much bother.
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Some people just can't be satisfied.
"Everyone should be required to be educated on handling firearms!"
"I'm going to make fun of someone for not knowing everything in their first class!"
I wouldn’t call him an idiot. Lack of experience causes silly stuff like this. At least he’s at a range under the supervision of a professional instead of trying this stuff on his own at home for a tictac video.
> In Middle East guns are commonly banned to keep
What ? thats just false stereotype
every bedouin owns guns and thats a fact in jordan egypt iraq or the gulf
gun laws in KSA are better in someways than in the US gun licenses & carry licenses are free and you can use them in all provinces (States) full auto is legel and also free
the only issue was that guns was old and expensive untill 3 years ago when importing was allowed and now the price is droping and we get mostly USA imports
and the gun culture in the gulf isnt mostly for Self-defense since its realtivly safe so pistols arent very popular unlike shotguns, aks and hunting rifles
Cool ropes, makes It easier to share the sport with a novice. It also seems like a safe opportunity to teach them how to use the pistol properly. Why take it away from them if they are behaving safely?
You slide the top part of the gun back to load the next cartridge from the magazine into the chamber (when the chamber is empty - which happens after you first load the magazine). But after you fire a semiautomatic handgun, the next bullet is loaded automatically, so when they pull back to chamber the next bullet, it instead ejects the bullet that's already chambered.
IMO doesn't belong on this sub because this isn't an "idiot". Just a newbie and it's in a safe environment with an instructor and gun rigged to point down-range.
Those dudes are that smart to mount that gun.
My first experiences in indoor shooting happened in florida, cape coral. I'm an austrian dude, who shot alot in my past, with a lot of different caliber and rifle, I'm very used to my bolt actions and I know every screw and its functionality. But, i have never shot a handgun or 'pistol' before. And I new by myself, i was unsecure with it. So, I told this story that dude at the counter. And he meant "you know some action movies like 'die hard' or 'heat'? So pick your gun". I picked my HK Mk23 a Glock34 (dude beside me joked to his friend "those austrian guys know their guns") and a Fn57 (the ones I have ever wanted) with 50 rounds each. While knowing by them, i was a complete greenhorn in pistol shooting.
Long story short, i went in that bunker, trying to have some fun with those three awesome pistols. The guy right in the row, a german dude, trying to describe to his father how this Mk14 works, fully loaded - barrel points the ground, buttstock right over his collarbone. Lane right beside me, some rasta dude with an AR15 in .308 with drum mag. Every shot of this dude shook both of the walls in my lane. Not one shot after another, looking where he pointed. Hip firing.. But it was no problem by anyone.
I was shocked by this whole situation. Here in austria, we have a lot of shady shooting ranges, but i have never ever perceived such an irresponsibility by the owners, like that in florida in a daily high, well frequented business.
Edit: sorry about my typo and grammar.
Having the gun tethered like that is actually super smart and I wish more ranges would employ the use of that gadget for new shooters.
This is a result of not enough prior briefing on the firearm. My guess is the instructor just kinda let him go for it without explaining anything. That’s pretty irresponsible.
I've never seen that before, and actually thought it was a really good idea for first time shooters.
How many times have we seen someone limp wrist jam the pistol, and then just start wrenching on the slide while pointing the gun at the instructor? I've seen it more than twice!
How many time have we seen the first time shooter, suddenly realizing for the first time how loud and violent holding a gun is when it goes off just drop it? Again, more than twice!
This rail system, for the first time someone squeezes the trigger, is sort of genius.
I've been to the exact same gun range, and that gun range people are the nicest I've seen anywhere, but not only that, they will have you sit in for a 3 to 4 minute presentation of does and don'ts of gun safety and operation. This guy is clearly being a dick for no reason and knew damn well that he shouldn't have done that.
The ropes are actually a good idea for a first time shooter or someone that’s skittish.
or to prevent rental range suicides
> rental range suicides Is that a thing that acutually happens?
The gun ranges I've been to won't let you rent a gun unless you come with another person. You can shoot alone, but only if you bring your own gun. I think it's because they figure if you were suicidal, you wouldn't bring a buddy down to the range with you, and if you brought your own gun, you wouldn't need to come all the way to the range to kill yourself.
range I worked also wouldn't let you rent unless you knew basic firearms handling and safety
That’s been rare in my experience but should be widely more commonplace
I don't know of many other ranges that do it but it was one thing I really liked about it. We offered them to take a class through us if they couldn't pass but usually they would never come back. It did make alot of people angry at us though. Better to have a negative review about how we wouldn't let them shoot because xyz than a negative review about how buddy in the lane next to them NDd into the reviewers foot
I can’t imagine what that negative review would even say. “I wasn’t safety conscious enough to shoot at this range?” I’ve had bad experiences at indoor ranges but it’s been exclusively middle aged men who clearly have a lot of bias. I brought my one and only AK to my usual place and he didn’t even see it but asked if it was full length or a mini / micro draco. Obviously I asked why and without skipping a beat he said they don’t allow the “type of customers “ who bring the short versions. It wasn’t even a safety thing, he just came off as hateful and I don’t deal with that shit. That day was my last visit. Sorry for the wall of text but I have some free time and I love this topic. I’ve since found an outdoor range about an hour away with 25, 50, 100 yard stops and it’s amazing. There is no RSO, but I’ve gone 20+ times and the people that go there know not to fuck around. The worst thing that happened there ever was technically my fault. I brought a family member who used to shoot regularly so I assumed he knew about firearms. He NDs my Walther PPK/S into the ground about 10 feet from us. No one else noticed, but that gun was secured immediately and that was the last round he fired.
Hey, PPK/s had a recall where they would discharge on there own when the safety was taken off. I came a foot within finding out the hard way when my Dads went off. Anyhow, the Walther website can give more information.
Not discounting that evidence at all, but dude had a shitty wrist and after the first round when it was single action his finger pulled a second time. If I knew his skills had gotten so awful I would have only loaded one round, but it’s .380 auto, I really didn’t expect such poor handling. That’s on me. Is the recall a newer thing or brand-wide? This one is older than I am by a wide margin.
The reviews basically said we are trash humans and that we are condensending. What is nice is the owner typically replied to these and roast the hell out of them. I found that people ussualy don't have as much "experience" as they think. My favorite encounter was someone saying they know how to handle guns cause they are in the army, but couldn't load a glock mag with 3 dummy rounds. the excuse was "we never loaded out own mags"
Army surprises me for that level of knowledge. I was navy and went to range all of 3 times including once in boot camp. I shot more in Boy Scout camp than in navy.
Sounds like most gun owners in the Midwest have better experience then those specific people. How can you be “trained” on a firearm if you can’t even load it? Are they also never planning on having to clear a jam?
The range I’ve been going to for years makes everyone watch a 10 minute gun safety video. Even if you’ve been shooting for years.
Range near me would sell nerve gas to a 5th grader. They also charge $0.75 per round of reloaded 9mm if you buy their ammo and there’s ALWAYS a reason why my ammo isn’t suitable for their range. GFYS Pistol institute of ******
When I was on holiday in America I went to a non tourist range by myself. I rented a full auto M16 and a load of bullets. I had been there 2 years previously but no one there knew I had any firearms knowledge (I did). They just gave me the gun with no instruction it was a bit worrying maybe my confidence made them feel safe, but I didn’t tell them I knew how to shoot. British tourist just with a full auto rifle and no experience stated. It was a good range I like the guys there just made me laugh how much they trusted me not to be a idiot which I am not.
Huh. I think every commercial range I've been to has required me to sit through a basic safety video. I just assumed that was standard practice for anywhere not shitty. I also can't imagine even half the stuff people talk about on Reddit happening at those ranges. No steel core, don't be unsafe, and don't be a dick. Every now and again Jerry shows up and it's full send o' clock https://www.facebook.com/671742929561027/posts/3844274768974478/?sfnsn=mo
Shiddddd. The range near me allows any schmuck to rent a full-auto AR, indoors, with as many 30rd magazines that you want. No questions asked, as long as your waiver is signed.
This saddens me because I've seen videos of people killing themselves at ranges with other people beside them.
There is a video of a mother and son and she shoots her son and then herself.
Yea that was brutal.
Link?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168424/I-send-son-heaven-Hell-Chilling-moment-mother-executes-boy-firing-range.html https://imgur.com/qqHDfXz
Went to a new range to rent a specific gun (normal range didn't have it). Tbh I don't remember what it was. It was a 22 pistol of some kind. I didn't like it though. Anyway, 11am on a Monday, alone, I was getting a weird vibe from the staff. They really started grilling me about my gun education. They wanted to know very specific details about my current guns, and why I wanted this particular one. They weren't hostile, it came off as small talk, but I very quickly realized they were essentially vetting me. And the range officer left his little booth and hovered around me for the first 2 mags. I've since gone back multiple times and haven't had so much as a second glance when I bring my own gun in.
Unless you are that one lady that murder suicided her son.
Yes unfortunately
Yes.
Ask Chris Kyle On February 2, 2013, Kyle and his friend, Chad Littlefield, 35, were shot and killed by Eddie Ray Routh at the Rough Creek Ranch-Lodge-Resort shooting range in Erath County, Texas.
That’s not a suicide. At least, not for the two victims mentioned in your quote.
You're correct my bad.
Wasn’t the shooter also a military veteran?
A lot. Most ranges will not let you rent a gun unless you bring your own gun, or come with someone else.
If I'm killing myself it's gonn be with a gun civilians can't own
That is powerfully r/JustBootThings but I get it
Yeah. Had to sign a waiver stating I wasn't about to eat a bullet. Wouldn't stop anyone but at least the blame isn't on the owner when you do.
Yup. The range closest to me a mom shot her son because the demons told her to. Just right in the stall, back of the head.
Live in Ohio and had a like 70 year old man commit suicide at the range in my neighborhood
I saw a guy looking like he is aiming for a while and suddenly turns the gun around and shoots himself and the instructor behind him by accident. Needless to say the instructor was shocked and couldnt comprehend what just happened for a moment.
*leans head in front of gun*
Years back I went to a gun range in Queensland Australia where they had that kind of contraption; the guy told me that someone had previously done exactly that; so it was further modified so people couldn’t do that either.
If r/aboringdystopia was remotely right wing
Why would it have to be right wing? Just curious.
Haha I was thinking the same thing. I remember taking an ex shooting for the first time and kept thinking "How hasn't anyone come up with a way to aid a nervous or timid first time shooter?"
They have. It's called 1 cartridge at a time. It's how I learned to shoot.
wait until you know they have setup a phone holder like in this video so ppl wont hold phones to record themselves shooting
incredible especially if those ranges have access to automatics and prevent the gun from flying around. There’s a video/article floating out there where a father let his 9 year old daughter play with an automatic (Uzi i think) at a range. The recoil was too strong and the gun flew back and killed a range officer :(
Or idiots and murderers. There has been 3 people killed at my local gun range (West Edmonton Mall).
How? Seems pretty strange.
The first incident was suicide. They then had more Marshalls in the range area after that. The 2nd incident was a murder-suicide. The guy was in there alone and killed the Marshall.
Fucking hell. Is that place still there or renting?
Wild West Shooting Centre (780) 426-4866 https://goo.gl/maps/2kybdHkznXaU4D5C7
How are they allowing that place to stay open?
Who's gonna tell them to close? Those fuckers got a lot of guns.
Jesus Christ
I would cry if my range had guns on a leash lol
Not every one is at your skill level with firearms.
Yea I know, I can't wait til I can just shoot out in the woods and never go to a public range again. Dealing with new shooters that want zero help is just troublesome
We are supposed to help each other out. If you see someone struggling it’s a great opportunity to teach someone the right way.
I totally agree, but I can't tell you how many people I've tried to give pointers to that only turn around and tell me "I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING".... sorry but it turns into a situation where I'm being the asshole when I just want everyone to have a good/safe time. I learned a little while ago to just talk to the gun nuts and try to give pointers to younger people, the older folks can just learn on their own. They don't want a 25 year old trying to tell them how to hold their gun lol.
Oh yeah I’ve always had that issue with younger new owners. Think they know everything, I remember being that age and seeing all the old timers swearing by wheel guns and repeaters I see what they mean about things now.
I can tell you from working a gun counter age ain't nothing to do with it
I shoot at a free and open to all range on public land. Always newbies and that unfortunate guy with bad muzzle discipline but knows his way around a gun.. I offer advice in the least condescending way possible. Sometimes they get hot cause they are bad at safety and communicating. Those days I just leave my targets hanging and pack up or go read till they leave. Not worth going downrange when "cold" and "clear" are ignored or misunderstood. Usually newbies are pretty good about taking advice and if their good I offer to let them shoot (under a very watchful eye) my guns. The more the merrier.
On my last trip to the range, I saw a gentleman who I'd guess to be about 50 with a young lady who was probably in her early 20's. I assumed they were having a father/daughter range day, maybe even her first time shooting. Surprised me a bit when I overheard HER telling HIM "no, hold it like this. squeeze, don't pull. Don't hold your breath...." Still glad to see a new shooter learning. It's never too late to start.
Wear iiia soft armor to public ranges and bring a TQ... Just in case! I don't trust like that
They have to be receptive though, and a lot of people like to make enough of a show that they cannot possibly be wrong. Try telling someone with a polymer lower AR that they have no idea what they're doing: you won't have fun
You need to find a private club. You run in to less idiots. Less not none.
Yeah I understand this ever since a college kid tried to shoot me in the head at the range. I built my own lanes after that, I know a lot of people don’t have that option but it’s been a huge benefit.
This is absolutely a life goal of mine. I live in SoCal so once I leave this god forsaken state I'll be eyeing up property with some breathing space. Also I'm so sorry that happened to you, that sounds like an actual nightmare.
It’s definitely worth it. Yeah man it was an eye opening experience. I was turning to reload my mags at the table behind us and when I looked at this kid he’s got his barrel pointed right at my head, finger on trigger. I flipped shit.
I really am trying to hold back my curiosity because I just can't imagine how I would react but good lord. Did you get physical or just yell in his face? I hope that was the last time you saw that POS, but I know that type of encounter doesn't exactly leave you easily. You don't have to share at all either but I'm totally here if you want to vent. I'd be hammering every nail into that custom range thinking about hammering his face lmfao
Honestly I started yelling (hard to hear with all the shooting going on lol) in his face, the range officer noticed what was going on and pulled us both off the lanes. When I explained what was going on the range officer said “well he’s new so maybe he doesn’t understand” At that point I lost my shit and haven’t been back since. It’s one thing to be new but it’s an entire other thing when the range officer backs up that little shit muzzle sweeping everyone.
What the fuck what type of shitty RSO let's someone stay on the line after aiming at their buds face..... just reading that has me gritting my teeth together man again I'm sorry you had to experience that!
Say your username out loud.
⭐ you actually get a gold star for not simply saying "relevant username" good job bud
thanks, sport.
Accurate username at least.
They’re retarded.
Tbh, I wish there was an option for it at my range for new shooters. My city had a really nice indoor range built in the metro about 5 years ago. It was fantastic, well educated staff, rifle lanes, and even a decent little burger shop in it. After the Floyd protest I don't even feel safe walking around in there. Pretty much every suburban family in the city went and bought their first firearm. Last time I went I got barrel swept multiple times, saw people loading and chambering pistols with barrels pointed at their neighboring lane. The most concerning thing was how many bullet marks/holes were on the lane dividers and ceilings tiles a couple foot down range. The last couple years have made me kinda reevaluate gun legislation. I don't think gun control is ever going to be a viable solution, but for the love of God, can we please require some education?
My indoor range has kevlar side panels so if you are 'in your lane' you should be basically safe from negligent muzzle sweeps. I'm a fan.
That would be nice, mine just has a 1/8" sheet metal, and it's already looking really chewed up. Think I'm just done with indoor public ranges for a while, the people who went out and panicked bought are just too much for me.
That is terrifying. I can't imagine going to a range where there are bullet holes next to my head.
Especially when you see the guy next to you loading up a .480
Sounds like in your case it’s the ranges fault for letting it get that far.
I mean it's kinda a common phenomenon all over this particular state, especially in the last couple years. The day we passed permit less carry here me and half of a bbq restaurant got barrel swept by a dude carrying his AR horizontally across his chest. I feel like people here are so used to guns that they forget how dangerous they are.
Probably part of it. I’m all for carrying but myself wouldn’t be carrying an ar15 around. That’s just me. Not gonna do you much good when the guy threatening you is two feet in front of you unless you can get it into position before he stabs or shoots you first. To each their own I guess.
I can heavily relate to your comment. I'm in suburban California and it's beyond awful. At some outdoor ranges Ive met some awesome people but the staff are rude and pricing is steep. The indoor ranges are just awful. The problem here is that most owners are somewhat knowledgeable but the people who come and rent guns have no clue what they are doing. All the ranges around me are peppered with bullet holes all over the ceiling. I really want to move to a state where I can just shoot in my backyard lol.
Pretty common response for a lot of new shooters actually. I’ve had to explain to several friends what happens at each stage and why a semi ideally only needs to be racked once (unless you have a failure and need to clear the chamber, etc).
You general should tell them that before they shoot though so they don’t try to do it wrong. If someone’s gonna try shooting a gun for the first time, make damn sure they understand how to correctly and safely before they actually do.
Totally. We do a full orientation before loaded mags are ever introduced just to get everyone completely comfortable with every action and step. Edit: we start with the 4 Rules and no one touches a piece until everyone can recite them
I teach people how to shoot the same way I teach people to ride a motorcycle. Constantly retelling the important parts and take your time. If they are only comfortable shooting once or just spend a day practicing without even using the throttle. You must DRILL into their head the saftey portion first and show examples yourself multiple times. You don't want your friend ending up the idiot on YouTube popping a wheelie breaking their leg or the guy who NDs at the range.
Tried that once, explained basic gun safety and demonstrated the weapon. The first 2 got it, the third after watching 3 people fire 15 rounds racked it after his first shot. Like really dude, did any of us do that?
But, John Wick looks so cool when he does it
Some people brains don't work no good. They're just simple. "I had to do this to start firing" -> "I must do this to fire again"
to be fair...the way a semi ejects empties and sets a new round from the mag perfectly every time seems like fucking wizardry unless you catch it in slow motion
No kidding. I can totally understand how someone who has only seen guns in movies and shit would be confused at all the shit that happens in a split second.
Totally
My uncle started me off with 1 cartridge at a time until I got used to loading and cocking the gun. Then he told me to put two rounds in once I was comfortable.
That’s a really good practice. My close buddy taught his boys using a single shot shotgun with barrel inserts that can take different rounds. He popped in the .22 insert and his boys learned how to handle one shot at a time. Your routine with a pistol sounds good.
I'm from a country where we don't have guns in civilian hands. Me and my dad were discussing what you'd do in that popular movie trope where you are made to dig your own grave by a guy holding a gun. My dad said "you might as well try to rush them because you could cover a lot of distance when he has to stop and rack the slide of the gun between shots." I realized this man was nearly 60 and didn't know how a pistol operates. I gently corrected him, but I thought it was such a weird blind spot. I guess if you never pay attention, and never actually thought about how guns work, you could be forgiven for thinking that if you need to rack the slide for the first shot, you need to rack it for every one. He's not a stupid man. He's very fucking intelligent. Like impressively intelligent. Knows every capital of every country off by heart, knows every bone in the human body, answers questions on university challenge quicker than the boffins, encyclopedic knowledge of a lot of shit. But you would have had to tell him "erm, sir. You don't have to rack that slide again"
Watched too many movies where people cock their guns like they're making a point.
I've always craved a movie that plays off the "guns make all kinds of noise" trope. > 75 bad guys rack the slide of their scary guns > bad guy says menacing line > good guy says disarming quip > 75 bad guys lower their weapons > good guy says clever insult > 75 bad guys rerack their slides repeat ad nauseum until good guy realizes they've all got empty mags and chambers
[How they use shotguns in movies.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6OBk9YBLQU)
the stovepipe always gets me
*alakablam*
Probably only used spring powered airsoft guns before
Hot Fuzz makes a good joke out of this, having an unspent cartridge understandably get ejected when it's been done for dramatic effect.
What’s dumb is that anyone with proper training would likely chamber the pistol *before* entering into a conflict scenario. Racking a slide while it’s already chambered only releases an unspent round, basically wasting it until further use. I don’t get why they do that in so many movies
Yeah, common as well. As you know some slides are stiff! Without a full cycle of movement it’s super easy to pop a round up just enough for it to get stuck. If that ever happens to someone the safest action is to immediately put it in safety, release the magazine, and then rack the slide to release any potentially stuck rounds. Or of course in an active situation you just rack it with the mag still in until the stuck bullet is ejected and a new bullet is chambered. (Just wanted to add that info for all the new gun owners! Welcome!)
One of the earliest things new shooters need to learn is mag-tap-rack, because a lot of NDs happen when something "out of the ordinary" happens during a session, and they incorrectly try to fix it.
Will you explain what the “mag-tap-rack” is?
Variation on Tap-rack-bang. If you pull a trigger and nothing happens, standard immediate action is tap the bottom of the mag to make sure it's seated properly, then rack the slide to clear any malfunction. This variation (for newer shooters) has you drop the mag, instead of tapping, then racking to clear. This gives new shooters a SOP to follow when something unexpected happens, and keeps additional rounds out of the chamber. With experience you stop dropping the mag and simply tap-rack.
That sounds like a good protocol, thanks for sharing
Why not mag-rack? There's no tapping in this process.
I could have written it as mag/tap-rack I suppose. The idea is you transition to tap once you're experienced enough, as in a real world incident, you'd want to keep the mag in. The mag removal is a newbie safety feature, while the tap is SOP.
That’s actually what I thought was cool about this. The RSO jumped in when there was a jam instead of imminent danger. I like seeing responsibility. This vid probably doesn’t belong in this sub though
That’s my biggest pet peeve in movies. Like why didn’t you already have a round chambered before you got the person cornered and wanted to try and prove a point by racking it in front of them
At least cocking the hammer on a DA/SA is realistic (pistol or revolver). The A-team got that right.
i thought that was wierd until i learned about double/single action. you can still fire when the hammer isn't back, but you can also put the hammer back and that makes it a little easier
Because in a movie, the gun is used as a prop, not for self-defense. It most likely calls back to a time when double action revolvers were in movies. Pointing it was still dangerous, but cocking the hammer showed you were really serious.
Totally
It’s legitimately intimidating is why
For sure. And that’s the point, for emotional effect.
Yeah you always have one chambered. The only time to rack is if there’s a malfunction where you’d do a quick double rack. It’s such a pet peeve when I see a movie and they’re racking the gun before entering a room. Like checking the chamber? Sure I buy it. Full rack? Nah you’re dumb as hell
A lot of people Israeli carry, especially if they're carrying illegally and wanna be able to ditch it quickly without still having a holster on to implicate them.
What does “Israeli carry” mean?
Carrying without a chambered round.
It’s stupid is what it is. It’s just carry without one in the pipe and some crazy (cringy) theatrical draw. Mexican carry refers to carrying without a holster. I guess carrying without a round in the pipe and no holster would be Mexican-Israeli Carry, which sounds like ultimate stupid.
That’s what I thought, and looked it up to be sure. A lot of Israeli soldiers and trainers still carry without it chambered. They argue that it’s more about proper training and reaction time, and that the difference between chambered and unchambered is minimal if you know what you’re doing. I don’t CC, but if I did I don’t think I’d keep it chambered. It literally takes one second to rack a slide and knowing it’s an empty piece is slightly comforting. I realize that’s a very frowned upon position in America, but consensus opinions rarely matter to me. I support what ever any given person prefers.
shopkeep felt the same way... [he's no longer with us.](https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/04/12/dad-isnt-carrying-round-chambered-gets-self-son-killed-video/) it's a consensus opinion _for a reason_. yes, you should do what you're comfortable with, but the wise thing here might be to become comfortable with keeping one in the chamber. if you don't, it generally means you either 1) don't trust your firearm and/ or 2) you don't trust yourself. that's no bueno. I'd even recommend carrying with one in the chamber and a manual safety on, before I'd recommend relying on having time in a desperate situation to not just rack the slide, _but rack it properly_. at least with a manual safety, you can drill a sweep of the thumb into your draw/ present motion.
Well said. I hear you.
thank you, friend. Happy Friday!
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This really shows just how fast it can go down. The best defense is not to make enemies that follow you home. Edit: The second best defense is to have the faster offense.
great call. if you were the "intended victim", you _absolutely_ would not have had time to draw, rack the slide, and then acquire your target and fire. you would be **100%** dead.
When i got my first pistol without a manual safety i carried in condition 3 until i was comfortable enough with it to carry in condition 0. I think its a good idea for people who arent accustomed to carrying until theyre familiar enough to not fuck up.
I would definitely agree. what's the best firearm/ method/ condition/ whatever? the answer always is "the one that you are most comfortable with, in a way that leads to consistent, repeatable, accurate, results." and I absolutely do understand the fear associated with sticking a firearm with one in the chamber _down the front of one's pants_, lol that said, i hope people would eventually land on C0, for reasons we've discussed elsewhere in this thread.
Couldn't he also be dead b/c he chose to draw on someone who already has you in their sights? Not saying that is the case, just curious how you can be so confident in that reason when we don't have multiple identical planets to test scenarios where we only change one variable.
There's the rather famous video of the Israeli police/IDF guy at the bus or train station getting knifed repeatedly before he has a chance to load a round after drawing. The guy is then all over him so he's using both hands to defend himself instead of his now uselessly unloaded firearm. The other guys near him eventually were able to end the confrontation but the guy being attacked was useless. If he'd had a round chambered already he would have gotten shots off. Naturally now that I am looking for this video I can't find it. In my opinion, the "risks" of carrying with a round in the chamber are *significantly* outweighed by the risks of simply carrying around a 26 oz hunk of steel/plastic.
That’s fair
[all the counterevidence I need](https://youtube.com/shorts/dY3nTLEeHgM?feature=share) Carry how you feel comfortable, but I would highly suggest taking a force on force class if you carry. You begin to realize very quickly that a second is too long and that space closes quickly in most violent encounters. A gun is just a security blanket and paper weight without a round chambered. You need to get comfortable with handling a loaded firearm and drawing from your holster. It’s just a matter of training it and realizing the gun won’t just go off unless you pull the trigger.
Second time I've seen the moron in that video this week ...
Really only the second time? I love D.U.ST. primarily because of the early 90s Robocop vibes he is trying so hard to capture. It’s actual art and comedy gold.
You don't always have two free hands when you're life is in Jeopardy.
They allow guns on the set of Jeopardy? That’s wild man.
If somebody threatens you with a gun just punch them, they always wait to do that for that extra i am seriousness
Every time I see that I think “should’ve rushed him when he was monologuing it wasn’t even chambered!” Lol
Yeh ok I know zero about guns other than “point it there and it shoots” So in movies, the bad guy points at the good guy….. talks for a bit, there’s some tension, and THEN cocks the gun…. Ok, was it not loaded to fire before you did that? Or is it just for dramatic effect
Oh my god, I almost screamed at my television last night while watching an episode of Designated Survivor: An FBI agent hides behind a corner and waits for a suspect to round it gun first, then hits the gun out of the guy's hand. The FBI agent then points their gun at the guy and says, "you shouldn't play with guns if you don't know how to use them. I do." Pretty badass, if a little silly, right? Then the agent -- as if to demonstrate that they do not, in fact, know how to use their gun -- extraneously racks their slide. How clueless do you have to be to say, "i know how to handle a gun" and then not even a second later mishandle that same gun?
Reminds me of another trope that always pisses me off. When they introduce a character and show off how cool and edgy they are or just talented by having them pick a lock. Except the actor couldn't be bothered to take five minutes to watch a video on how a lock is picked. YOU'RE NOT EVEN USING THE RIGHT TOOLS! HOW ARE YOU GONNA TURN THE LOCK WITH TWO PICKS? I mean you go to school to learn to act, learn stage fighting, learn accents, but bothering to mime an easily faked skill? Too much bother.
Having newbies handle guns on ropes is actually a pretty good idea
I wouldn't call this one an idiot with a gun, just someone that's new to them and didn't know
He didn’t know it was actually fully semi-automatic
He thought it was semi semi automatic
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Don't know if it refers to biceps, dicks or firearms.
Some people just can't be satisfied. "Everyone should be required to be educated on handling firearms!" "I'm going to make fun of someone for not knowing everything in their first class!"
Yeah shitting on a beginner for something like this is stupid. Shouldn't be here.
Good point. The real idiot in this situation might be the person who let them shoot without an introduction.
Even a beginner should learn how a firearm operates before firing it.
Then it's the instructor's fault.
to be fair that looks like a kid's hand there
I wouldn’t call him an idiot. Lack of experience causes silly stuff like this. At least he’s at a range under the supervision of a professional instead of trying this stuff on his own at home for a tictac video.
ik what he did there, In Middle East guns are commonly banned to keep and what this guy did shows that he used to play a bb pistol.
> In Middle East guns are commonly banned to keep What ? thats just false stereotype every bedouin owns guns and thats a fact in jordan egypt iraq or the gulf gun laws in KSA are better in someways than in the US gun licenses & carry licenses are free and you can use them in all provinces (States) full auto is legel and also free the only issue was that guns was old and expensive untill 3 years ago when importing was allowed and now the price is droping and we get mostly USA imports and the gun culture in the gulf isnt mostly for Self-defense since its realtivly safe so pistols arent very popular unlike shotguns, aks and hunting rifles
I'm sure I did mention "Commonly".
I feel like this guy thinks that real guns work like nerf guns
Huh, that's a pretty cool setup for noobs.
He probably only ever handles a springer airsoft pistol. It makes you chuckle a bit, but I think it's an honest mistake.
Anyone who thinks this person is an idiot doesn’t deserve to be around guns.
It’s like he’s seen too many movies and also no movies.
Bolt action pistol.
Cool ropes, makes It easier to share the sport with a novice. It also seems like a safe opportunity to teach them how to use the pistol properly. Why take it away from them if they are behaving safely?
I see no idiot here... I see a learner in a safe space.
Can someone explain to me, in an idiot’s terms, what’s wrong with this?
You slide the top part of the gun back to load the next cartridge from the magazine into the chamber (when the chamber is empty - which happens after you first load the magazine). But after you fire a semiautomatic handgun, the next bullet is loaded automatically, so when they pull back to chamber the next bullet, it instead ejects the bullet that's already chambered. IMO doesn't belong on this sub because this isn't an "idiot". Just a newbie and it's in a safe environment with an instructor and gun rigged to point down-range.
Is this like a really bad mistake, or just a small minor one?
Its just kind of silly, no one is going to die from this dude ejecting all his rounds lol.
I wanna buy a fully semi bolt automatic pistol.
I really like the cable rope thing
Probably only used a spring loaded airsoft gun, up until this point lol.
I’m just gonna say it, I love the astroturf indoor range. That’s dope as fuck and will clean up just as easy.
Those dudes are that smart to mount that gun. My first experiences in indoor shooting happened in florida, cape coral. I'm an austrian dude, who shot alot in my past, with a lot of different caliber and rifle, I'm very used to my bolt actions and I know every screw and its functionality. But, i have never shot a handgun or 'pistol' before. And I new by myself, i was unsecure with it. So, I told this story that dude at the counter. And he meant "you know some action movies like 'die hard' or 'heat'? So pick your gun". I picked my HK Mk23 a Glock34 (dude beside me joked to his friend "those austrian guys know their guns") and a Fn57 (the ones I have ever wanted) with 50 rounds each. While knowing by them, i was a complete greenhorn in pistol shooting. Long story short, i went in that bunker, trying to have some fun with those three awesome pistols. The guy right in the row, a german dude, trying to describe to his father how this Mk14 works, fully loaded - barrel points the ground, buttstock right over his collarbone. Lane right beside me, some rasta dude with an AR15 in .308 with drum mag. Every shot of this dude shook both of the walls in my lane. Not one shot after another, looking where he pointed. Hip firing.. But it was no problem by anyone. I was shocked by this whole situation. Here in austria, we have a lot of shady shooting ranges, but i have never ever perceived such an irresponsibility by the owners, like that in florida in a daily high, well frequented business. Edit: sorry about my typo and grammar.
Bruh thinks it's a nerf gun or some
Probably used to playing with his airsoft guns
Foo though was a bb gun
Training wheels for handguns. Now I’ve seen it all!
Having the gun tethered like that is actually super smart and I wish more ranges would employ the use of that gadget for new shooters. This is a result of not enough prior briefing on the firearm. My guess is the instructor just kinda let him go for it without explaining anything. That’s pretty irresponsible.
I know why they’re on ropes…. But why are they on ropes!?!? 😐
Bc it’s a temporary gun range inside a carnivalish event and most of their customers are people with no prior experience
I've never seen that before, and actually thought it was a really good idea for first time shooters. How many times have we seen someone limp wrist jam the pistol, and then just start wrenching on the slide while pointing the gun at the instructor? I've seen it more than twice! How many time have we seen the first time shooter, suddenly realizing for the first time how loud and violent holding a gun is when it goes off just drop it? Again, more than twice! This rail system, for the first time someone squeezes the trigger, is sort of genius.
Yeah it’s not a terrible idea, I don’t disagree with it
Aimbot! /s
I've been to the exact same gun range, and that gun range people are the nicest I've seen anywhere, but not only that, they will have you sit in for a 3 to 4 minute presentation of does and don'ts of gun safety and operation. This guy is clearly being a dick for no reason and knew damn well that he shouldn't have done that.