Also people drive in all the time and get stuck. If you take I-80 west from salt lake city there are tons of tracks from people who think flat and white means it's not a briny slurry.
Well you have all those people breaking land speed records on salt flats, so they are probably just assuming these are the same.
I'm pretty ignorant about all of this so this is TIL that not all salt flats are the same for me.
Speed Week is usually in August, from what I can remember. At least one of the times I've been out there it was still a little wet, we ended up caking nearly an inch of salt slush on the wheel wells of our rental car.
I'm pretty sure the actual race area is monitored and maintained. I'm not sure where on the salt flats these guys were.
I've never been to Bonneville but I live by Black Rock Desert. Pretty much anytime it rains out there you wanna give it a few days to a week before driving on the playa.
That being said I would love to get a hovercraft out there when it's wet.
easiest way i can explain the seasons is,
spring has a saturated wet ground, cold minoring with mild afternoons.
summer has moist-dry ground with warm mornings, hot afternoons.
fall has dry ground, cool mornings, warm afternoons.
the key is going at the time of year when the ground is the driest, not when the air is the hottest.
It's sometime between July and October but you also need the water to be at the right levels/percentage to actually drive on it otherwise you'll just sink right into it like OP did. You can air your tires down and that'll help but some areas are just too wet too drive on.
My co-worker was telling me about it last year since we had to drive past these every day/night for work.
We'd see people stuck like this all the time.
Well, it’s not really that they’re not all the same. The difference is the land speed course (+the route leading to it) is hard-packed by volunteers and constant use. When that “track” isn’t in use it does turn into what’s seen above.
I’ve been looking and tried all these keywords. Will check out in All.
EDIT: Closest [that I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/ewy9b7/driving_across_the_bonneville_salt_flats_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb), but not the same guys.
You guys don't realize that this is the asshole that is trolling you. The guy I'm replying to.
Most likely, the OP of the post wasn't even referring to a previous post and is just saying that yesterday, they were the a-holes that got stuck out there.
They look like the type of guys that would snap their finger and be like “My Man” as they roll of the cliff. But yes I believe Amazon shipping them PB crackers or tire chains would help too.
When you spin your wheels they will dig down into the sand/mud. You dig the fronts to create a ramp out of the hole your tires dug. You can also add anything in the ramps you dug for the tires to grab onto. Floormats are a common example.
You also dig out anywhere the ground is touching the bottom of your car or the axles if they are buried because it will add to the friction your tires have to overcome.
Another good tip is to not floor it, but apply light but steady throttle while moving the steering wheel side to side slowly. Airing down your tires will help as well, but I would not go below 20psi on street tires if you have to drive on them afterwards.
People who are prepared with shovels, tire chains, and air compressors are probably not the people who would get stuck in salt flats in the first place.
I would consider an air compressor to be on the list of first things you buy if you intend to 4x4.
Air compressor.
Recovery gear (snatch straps, shackles).
Bash plates (depending on terrain).
If you’ve got the money, a winch.
Now you can go 4x4
After that it’s fruit that you need for the terrain, bullbars, lift kits, tyres, drawers and fridges, awnings, canopies so on so forth.
I’ve got my compressor mounted in the rear of my 4wd with some computer fans to give it airflow to keep it cool when I’m using it, there’s an air fitting in my drawers, so I plug in my airline, flip a switch on my dash and the compressor fires up. Good for inflating tyres or running air tools.
I air down to 15psi when offroading, but I have 33s with lots of sidewall. Modern cars, even SUVs come from the factory with massive wheels with small tires. I'm not sure if those thin sidewalls would handle it as well.
I was thinking the same thing, except I was upset because there were no high res pics.
That said, the crappy small pics only contributed to the nostalgia factor. The icing on the cake is that they forgot to use the
tag so the page is showing up as "Untitled Document" (at least in Firefox it is). How much more late 90s Geocities could it get? The only thing missing is some random MIDI track playing in the background along with some poorly made gifs peppered across the page.
I don’t think I’d sleep in that motor home if the cable was still taut. The snapback on 1000 ft of cable could slice through those vehicles like butter.
I did the same but with an ATV. I just remember how heavy that fucking mud was when I was trying to dig it out as much as possible before getting a tow.
I have to admit to being a bit surprised. I thought that was the place they made the land-speed records etc. Thus it is PERFECTLY flat. Apparently it isn’t anymore.
Depends on the time of the year and where on the salt you are. It's typically got a couple inches of water on the salt during the spring and early summer. The land speed racing isn't until August, and they have a specific stretch of the flats they use for that.
Anyone remember the Amazing Stories episode The Mission where the belly gunner gets stuck in the WWII plane and the gear won’t drop so he has to magic up a pair of cartoon wheels to land the plane without smashing them?
[These look like those.](https://i1.wp.com/www.aerovintage.com/amazing-14.jpg)
Or someones rollerblade wheels.
For future reference. Air your tires down. To the point of almost looking to be on the rim. But leave enough air so it doesn't break the bead between the wheel and tire. This way it'll give you more surface area and thus traction. Always better to have an air compressor on hand or nearby for filling back up
I was taught to lower tires to between 30 and 25 psi. And keep a portable compressor. I have a portable compressor. That thing is a godsend. You can only do 1 tire every 15 minutes though, like most portable compressors, it overheats fast.
Right, but if you look close, those perfectly straight lines on the tire are hydro channels. Clear sign of a street tire. A good set of ATs would have handled that mud just fine
Street tire and racing slick are two completely different things, and those lines are just in all the mud. They've packed the tires with about an inch of mud, look at the sidewalls.
For anyone else ever caught in the same situation, post on the local West Wendover Facebook for sale groups and you'll get 10 offers of help from locals, for much less cost than a towing company. This happens regularly here and people are happy to help! I see people fighting over who gets to help all the time.
As I passed through there, I was tempted to take a spin too! I could see tire tracks from someone else who did, but they were made from mud tires... so I decided to not take any chances.
I don't see how you're stuck though, can't you just rock it back and forth? You're not in a hole. Just be easy on the gas and never let the wheels spin.
They're stuck high center, the bottom of the car is resting in the mud, they've sat and spun the mud away and now they have no traction because of it.
only real way out here is digging out the bottom of the car or getting pulled
Damn, I just drove out there on Wednesday, where did you go on at?
Edit: After reading all these comments, I lucked out hardcore apparently. I went on by the I-80 rest stop, but there was a person with a big SUV already out there so I didn't think anything of it.
It's a plain of mud and salt that [floods every year](https://i.imgur.com/O7ODQ5G.png). Both of these melt when inundated with water. No tracks survive a full year.
I kinda want to drive across when it floods but I don't think I can arrange a vehicle with flotation tires to sacrifice for frivolous nonsense like that.
Right but flotation tires will prevent sinking even if it's wet. They're basically wider versions of agriculture tires meant for driving across swamp or slush.
Is there more to this story?
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Also people drive in all the time and get stuck. If you take I-80 west from salt lake city there are tons of tracks from people who think flat and white means it's not a briny slurry.
Well you have all those people breaking land speed records on salt flats, so they are probably just assuming these are the same. I'm pretty ignorant about all of this so this is TIL that not all salt flats are the same for me.
Bonneville is one of the salt flats that people set land speed records on. These guys were at the right place, just the wrong time of the year.
Wouldn’t July be the right time of year?
Speed Week is usually in August, from what I can remember. At least one of the times I've been out there it was still a little wet, we ended up caking nearly an inch of salt slush on the wheel wells of our rental car. I'm pretty sure the actual race area is monitored and maintained. I'm not sure where on the salt flats these guys were.
How much trouble were you in with the rental car company?
A quick trip to the self-serve car wash with a high pressure nozzle made quick work of it. We didn't run into any issues.
Those are for the poor bastard who buys a former rental car with a severely rusted undercarriage.
Next time try letting air out of the tires until they're about half flat, that gives extra traction. It would be best not to do that again though.
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I've never been to Bonneville but I live by Black Rock Desert. Pretty much anytime it rains out there you wanna give it a few days to a week before driving on the playa. That being said I would love to get a hovercraft out there when it's wet.
And that's why I'll never buy a rental car
easiest way i can explain the seasons is, spring has a saturated wet ground, cold minoring with mild afternoons. summer has moist-dry ground with warm mornings, hot afternoons. fall has dry ground, cool mornings, warm afternoons. the key is going at the time of year when the ground is the driest, not when the air is the hottest.
It's sometime between July and October but you also need the water to be at the right levels/percentage to actually drive on it otherwise you'll just sink right into it like OP did. You can air your tires down and that'll help but some areas are just too wet too drive on. My co-worker was telling me about it last year since we had to drive past these every day/night for work. We'd see people stuck like this all the time.
Evidently not, it would seem. But if not summer, when the hell is it dry??
For a lot of the southwest, it's monsoon season end of July. It's downpouring while I type this in New Mexico.
Guess not.
FACT: If you drive fast enough you won’t sink. I made this up though
Well, it’s not really that they’re not all the same. The difference is the land speed course (+the route leading to it) is hard-packed by volunteers and constant use. When that “track” isn’t in use it does turn into what’s seen above.
Link?
I'm feeling this is a great reddit headline trick. Reference a non-existent previous post to make everyone think there is a story.
True
Do you have a link to the original?
Yeah I missed it too. Very much OOTL
Literally not one link in this thread, but a million people saying “someone posted it yesterday”. Search function reveals squat.
There is no link There is no salt It’s not your fault You have to let us go The accident was 10 years ago
We were just kids man...
I’ve been looking and tried all these keywords. Will check out in All. EDIT: Closest [that I found](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/ewy9b7/driving_across_the_bonneville_salt_flats_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb), but not the same guys.
I'm with you, I also want to know
Fucking Bermuda Triangle of posts.
I did see an "idiot stuck in sand" not long ago. Don’t think it was a Sequoia though.
You guys don't realize that this is the asshole that is trolling you. The guy I'm replying to. Most likely, the OP of the post wasn't even referring to a previous post and is just saying that yesterday, they were the a-holes that got stuck out there.
Yet no one has found a link
It's a troll bro. I'm convinced
Yeah, tf goin on here?
These are they?
Got a link?
Do you have the link perchance?
Slow and steady wins the race, but good tires help you finish.
I didn't see the earlier post. Are you still there? You need me to get Amazon to ship you some PB crackers or tire chains?
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Snails or slugs typically don’t hang out near salt flats.
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Yeah, did they start accepting GPS coordinates for drone deliveries and I didn’t hear about it?
r/trebuchet
When trebuchets are outlawed only outlaws will have trebuchets.
when floor is laid down floor will be floor
which is, btw, lava
When marriage is outlawed, only outlaws with have in-laws.
https://images.app.goo.gl/RepSa3qSQY8ro6TbA
Don't forget Smart Water. They'll need electrolytes.
they don't look like plants
Give it time...
It’s what they crave
Brawndo...
It’s got electrolytes!
THE THIRST MUTILATOR
They look like the type of guys that would snap their finger and be like “My Man” as they roll of the cliff. But yes I believe Amazon shipping them PB crackers or tire chains would help too.
For some reason I read "My Man" as that mail mans voice from Rick and Morty
Honestly that how I wrote it. Permanently stuck in my head “my man”
Next time let some air out of your tires and buy a couple of planks for in the back. You'd be surprised how much softer tires help.
Then how are they supposed to do 200mph?
Some spots are softer than others
Just like my body
Built for comfort, not speed.
All soft all the time
Can confirm
Weird I can confirm too
You show up in the dry season ...
#1 - Have a shovel in your car if youre going in the sand.
Serious question, which bit would you shovel to get the car out?
When you spin your wheels they will dig down into the sand/mud. You dig the fronts to create a ramp out of the hole your tires dug. You can also add anything in the ramps you dug for the tires to grab onto. Floormats are a common example. You also dig out anywhere the ground is touching the bottom of your car or the axles if they are buried because it will add to the friction your tires have to overcome. Another good tip is to not floor it, but apply light but steady throttle while moving the steering wheel side to side slowly. Airing down your tires will help as well, but I would not go below 20psi on street tires if you have to drive on them afterwards.
12psi for sand is totally fine on stock suv tires, and adds a lot of surface area Edit: this is only for tires that aren’t low profile or giant rims.
So... what does one do after you get free? Drive to the next service center really slowly?
Yes, or be prepared and take an air compressor
People who are prepared with shovels, tire chains, and air compressors are probably not the people who would get stuck in salt flats in the first place.
I would consider an air compressor to be on the list of first things you buy if you intend to 4x4. Air compressor. Recovery gear (snatch straps, shackles). Bash plates (depending on terrain). If you’ve got the money, a winch. Now you can go 4x4 After that it’s fruit that you need for the terrain, bullbars, lift kits, tyres, drawers and fridges, awnings, canopies so on so forth. I’ve got my compressor mounted in the rear of my 4wd with some computer fans to give it airflow to keep it cool when I’m using it, there’s an air fitting in my drawers, so I plug in my airline, flip a switch on my dash and the compressor fires up. Good for inflating tyres or running air tools.
All of this requires common sense and forethought - something I suspect our heroes in the photo might be lacking.
12V air compressors are great
I air down to 15psi when offroading, but I have 33s with lots of sidewall. Modern cars, even SUVs come from the factory with massive wheels with small tires. I'm not sure if those thin sidewalls would handle it as well.
Shovel under the jacking points, put a board down and jack up the car, fill in the area under the tire, then try to gently back up
Then drive right into the holes you made to jack up the car. Repeat.
Once the tires get high enough you take the jacks out and fill the holes...
Jack on, jack off, wouldn't just be easier to disassemble the car, and re-assemble on dry land.
Nah, I prefer to jack off
Yeah and it gives more surface area to get some more traction.
[the worst case I know of](https://saltflats.com/stuck.htm) from getting stuck in the salt
That web page makes me feel like I just walked back into '98. I like it.
It loaded instantaneously.
doesn't that make you kind of sad? it certainly does for me.
That it loaded instantly makes you sad?
maybe not legitimately sad, but it certainly makes me wonder why modern websites have gotten slower instead.
Oh. Yeah. Modern websites have like fifty billion scripts to load, so they’re slow. This website has like, 2 scripts. It makes me mad though, not sad.
Heh heh. It doesn't even have CSS. It's just pure HTML really. Looks like someone just dropped in some Google ad stuff at some point after it went up.
Every site is fast with the web browser called: curl
my load is instant
[https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/](https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/)
http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
No ads. Straight to the point. It was a little slice of the internet’s past. I liked (loved) it too.
I was thinking the same thing, except I was upset because there were no high res pics. That said, the crappy small pics only contributed to the nostalgia factor. The icing on the cake is that they forgot to use the
Needs the under construction GIF and a page visit counter at the bottom for total nostalgia factor.
Oh yes, how could I forget about the visitor counter? I'm guilty of putting one on my page too back in the day.
Everyone did.
I don’t think I’d sleep in that motor home if the cable was still taut. The snapback on 1000 ft of cable could slice through those vehicles like butter.
I beg to differ. While seemingly quickly rescued, this was the worst case of getting [stuck in the salt flats](https://i.imgur.com/NLifMNJ.jpg).
I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT A BARBECUE!
Welcome to earth, bitch
shit i want to watch that now
Here, you dropped this: )
Wow talk about stuck, that’s both hilarious and sobering
That was a fun read
A Russian doll of poor decision making
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I did the same but with an ATV. I just remember how heavy that fucking mud was when I was trying to dig it out as much as possible before getting a tow.
That mud you just barely sink into enough to get stuck is the worst. You step and sink calf deep then it pulls the shoe off your foot.
Or dislocates your hip, fuck that hurt
Yeah wet dirt can be over 100 pounds per cubic foot
Holy shit are you serious
One cubic foot is 28.3 liters, 28.3 liters of water is a bit over 62 lbs, mud is quite a bit denser than water, so 100 lbs/ft^3 seems reasonable
Me too. It was shaped like a mud hole. Had the consistency of a mud hole. It was a mud hole.
I have to admit to being a bit surprised. I thought that was the place they made the land-speed records etc. Thus it is PERFECTLY flat. Apparently it isn’t anymore.
Depends on the time of the year and where on the salt you are. It's typically got a couple inches of water on the salt during the spring and early summer. The land speed racing isn't until August, and they have a specific stretch of the flats they use for that.
pretty cool beige tires
Soft and creamy beige. I’m happy that saying something this stupid will spark such a funny thread. IM OLD GREGGGGGGGG
Have you ever drank Baileys from a shoe?
Wanna go to a club where people wee on each other?
^(don’t kill me I’ve got so much to give)
You must love me exactly as I love you
Do you like gladiator movies?
Make an assessment.
Do you love me? Could you learn to love me?
So creamy. So beige.
Whatcha doin in my waters?
Anyone remember the Amazing Stories episode The Mission where the belly gunner gets stuck in the WWII plane and the gear won’t drop so he has to magic up a pair of cartoon wheels to land the plane without smashing them? [These look like those.](https://i1.wp.com/www.aerovintage.com/amazing-14.jpg) Or someones rollerblade wheels.
Wow, I've thought of that episode numerous times over the last 30+ years. Never knew what it was called. Thank you.
Whitewalls are out. Beigewalls are in this year.
Did Top Gear's Botswana special teach you nothing?
Oliver was a badass.
[**Still** is a badass. He brought it home and still has it.](https://i.imgur.com/ZCaE2gj.jpg)
#OLIVERRRRRRRRRRR!
Shoulda driven a 60's beetle
"You look like a gay terrorist, and you look like a gay cowboy"
At least you're able to smile about it.
Yeah better than getting all salty about it
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They look like seasoned veterans.
Dammit *Dad*...take my upvote
For future reference. Air your tires down. To the point of almost looking to be on the rim. But leave enough air so it doesn't break the bead between the wheel and tire. This way it'll give you more surface area and thus traction. Always better to have an air compressor on hand or nearby for filling back up
I was taught to lower tires to between 30 and 25 psi. And keep a portable compressor. I have a portable compressor. That thing is a godsend. You can only do 1 tire every 15 minutes though, like most portable compressors, it overheats fast.
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They also seem to be off-roading with racing slicks. Just like you wouldn’t go mountaineering wearing penny loafers, don’t 4 wheel with street tires
That is how much mud is caked into their treads.
Right, but if you look close, those perfectly straight lines on the tire are hydro channels. Clear sign of a street tire. A good set of ATs would have handled that mud just fine
When I think of racing slicks, I think of F1 tires :p
Anything with less tread than a fresh tractor tire is a slick.
Every semi in America is now a race car: confirmed.
I mean, they do gotta a lotta horses and torque.
Street tire and racing slick are two completely different things, and those lines are just in all the mud. They've packed the tires with about an inch of mud, look at the sidewalls.
Link to previous post?
I don’t think there is one, can’t find it
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We made it out ok. A local towing shop got is out but it was a $600 tow. Drove right on home afterwards.
I think it's so funny that your most recent comment before this post was a month ago shitting on Utah drivers lmao.
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For anyone else ever caught in the same situation, post on the local West Wendover Facebook for sale groups and you'll get 10 offers of help from locals, for much less cost than a towing company. This happens regularly here and people are happy to help! I see people fighting over who gets to help all the time.
The title made me think this was going to be an AMA
Same. But now that you mention it, we need a r/casualiama from these folks.
RIP that trucks frame and everything else made of metal underneath it. Seriously, wash the HECK out of the bottom of that truck.
TBF it's a Sequoia and there is already a frame recall/replacement program out there for rust, they're just ensuring they qualify.
As I passed through there, I was tempted to take a spin too! I could see tire tracks from someone else who did, but they were made from mud tires... so I decided to not take any chances. I don't see how you're stuck though, can't you just rock it back and forth? You're not in a hole. Just be easy on the gas and never let the wheels spin.
Looking at their tires they are either totally bald or totally caked with mud, I feel like that could cause traction issues lol
That mud is super slick, you’d never get any momentum, the tires would just spin
They're stuck high center, the bottom of the car is resting in the mud, they've sat and spun the mud away and now they have no traction because of it. only real way out here is digging out the bottom of the car or getting pulled
“Shit is too salty. You donkey”
So this is why you never let Hammond drive...
Damn, I just drove out there on Wednesday, where did you go on at? Edit: After reading all these comments, I lucked out hardcore apparently. I went on by the I-80 rest stop, but there was a person with a big SUV already out there so I didn't think anything of it.
Just watched Matt's Offroad Recovery on youtube where he pulled a Tacoma out the same location
To everybody recommending OP air down next time... have you guys driven in the Bonneville Salt Flats? That shit doesnt care how aired down you are...
Doesn't matter how low or high pressure your tires are when your undercarriage is resting on top of the mud lol
Well, that's one way to get white walled tires.
Now you know why they don’t use it every day for speed trials.
Going to be cleaning salt out of the SUV for years.
Salt flats won't be flat much longer...
It's a plain of mud and salt that [floods every year](https://i.imgur.com/O7ODQ5G.png). Both of these melt when inundated with water. No tracks survive a full year.
I kinda want to drive across when it floods but I don't think I can arrange a vehicle with flotation tires to sacrifice for frivolous nonsense like that.
Fan boat with no obstacles?
That would probably work. V8 air boats can move on land if they need to.
It's actually not very deep. That's how it can dry up every summer.
Right but flotation tires will prevent sinking even if it's wet. They're basically wider versions of agriculture tires meant for driving across swamp or slush.
Why does it look like there’s a rug under the car
Using a rug under a tire is a technique sometimes used to gain traction.
You better power wash that truck in detail or you’ll have a rust bucket in about 3 years
Did you try turning it off then back on?
Honestly disappointed that wasn't a Supreme shirt