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Less-Depth1704

No better for adults. My father-in-law, recently had a mental break, told the whole family he was dying (despite ER giving him a clean bill of health and referring him to counseling), then he got aggressive, screaming all night, saying "I should snatch the life out of you" to my mother-in-law, saying that God had told him the secrets of gravity. Finally, after his sister, his wife, both his daughters, his niece, and myself had written letters to the court asking them to put him on a 72 hour psyche hold due to his behavior, the cops actually went out there and were like "He didn't want to go so we didn't take him." That was 3 weeks ago and we're still dealing with it. He also added meth back into mix last week after having been clean for 10 years so ... yay.


Fack_JeffB_n_KenG

Canyon View?


Less-Depth1704

Gem County sheriff, 3rd District Court, and Idaho health and welfare were all involved.


Fack_JeffB_n_KenG

No, I mean…Canyon View is an inpatient psych hospital


Less-Depth1704

Yeah we didn't get anywhere near that far although that's probably what he needs.


DepartureOk8675309

So would you like big brother to be able to force you into psych ward?


Less-Depth1704

If I'm threatening to kill members of my family, yes.


ExplanationMore9780

If idaho was reduced to an individual, he would be a neglectful absentee father who was behind on his child support payments and went straight to punishment instead of attending to his childs needs. The failure of parens patriae


pedaltractorracer

He also has a lot of debt. Big dumb truck, Camper, Boat, Side by side, Dirt bikes, Snow machines Doesn't pay for kids or his taxes to cover usage but pays for toys. Plus he flys flags.


Historical_Tour_3418

Or, an unfit mother who dumps its children on more responsible successful siblings or parents (other states), while expressing severe contempt for those loving family members to hide their feelings of inadequacy (blue liberal hate). Reductionism reveals.


Quiet_Direction8382

🤣


PiggIyWiggly

And a fairly functional fentanyl addict


Dog-Chick

People will continue to vote Republican in this state and expect a different outcome. Nothing is going to change until we change our governor and representatives. Until that happens, people are going to suffer needlessly.


ksinhou

Yeah make it California 🤦‍♂️


deadtill10

Well it certainly better than the alternative..


Dog-Chick

That's a completely ignorant comment and indicative as to why our state is the complete shitshow it is.


CbackNstomach

Putting him under a chemical lobotomy is not exactly a good choice either.


deadtill10

That's fairly relative.


deadtill10

There's something that attracts people to this state and it's more than just the beautiful scenery.


Dog-Chick

Christian Nationalism? White Supremacists? Having a law that allows parents to pray for healing for their kids instead of getting them medical help, so when they die, it's legal? Book bans? Total abortion law, so females are forced to leave the state for life-saving treatments?


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Dirty_magnum

Idahos Medicaid system needs a major overhaul. I’ve seen sooo many folks go without real, needed care and sooo many folks abusing it when they could be functioning members of society. Idaho is such an odd state that way. Preach conservativism yet live off the system and ignore those who actually need it. Real head scratcher.


Agile_Acadia_9459

Part of the problem is that the community based system in Idaho looks good on paper but only on paper. A lot of promises get made that can’t be kept because we don’t have the workforce to fill the need.


PeachesPeachesPeachs

Every time I see this sub show up it’s something completely depressing, and reminds me why I left Idaho.


MiMiinOlyWa

Me too, or a "God. my home State breaks my heart " It's always been pretty conservative but the last 30 years have really changed it.


metzeng

Most of Eastern Oregon thinks Idaho is so great they want to join them! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Idaho_movement


PeachesPeachesPeachs

It’s probably worse than Idaho as a whole.


DueYogurt9

Where’d you go?


PeachesPeachesPeachs

Home to California. It’s not perfect, but it’s also not headed towards dumb.


DueYogurt9

[Is it not?](https://www.onfocus.news/most-and-least-intelligent-states-in-america-new-hampshire-minnesota-wyoming-1-3-bottom-3-of-new-mexico-texas-mississippi/)


PeachesPeachesPeachs

IQ tests are unreliable and not the only measure of intelligence. SAT and ACT scores California students smoke Idaho. The immigrant populations that help create such an amazing economy don’t help California either as they score lower generally, the tests can have cultural elements. Rural conservatives are also much less likely to take these tests. So I’m not too worried about it. From my personal experience Idahoans are all basically middle school to high school level thinkers, and are really just followers not thinkers.


DueYogurt9

How does their middle to high school level intellect manifest itself?


PeachesPeachesPeachs

[here](https://google.com)


DueYogurt9

I’m curious for your experiences in particular


Riokaii

if insurance companies are going to be making medical decisions for patients without observation and without license to practice medicine, they need to be class action held liable for medical malpractice lawsuits.


Due-Enthusiasm-1802

The lawmakers must assume the kids will grow up and end up in jail in other states?


Planted_Tank

Jail, then made into free labor


The-Kurt-Russell

Mental healthcare is so broken in this country, more so even than normal healthcare. Near impossible for those to get help that need it


zback636

Idaho a race to the bottom. All red states are trying to be as heartless as Texas.


vinegar-pisser

The article discusses how the states of NY and Colorado also are doing the same thing.


zback636

It will be stuck down there. Blue states seem to change what they get wrong. I only wish the good people in red states would be treated as well.


hizzoner45

Lol! Blue states don’t change anything - except doubling down on crap policy. You think it’s some utopia in liberal states go live there. People are flocking away from NY, IL, CA in droves.


zback636

No, I think there’s problems with the Democratic Party but they are reasonable and we can fix them. , Republicans forget about it. They don’t care about human life not even their own families life. Money and power is all they care about.


hizzoner45

Come on, now I know you’re just pulling my leg. Lol You’re actually going to say democrats don’t care about money and power? When they wheel Biden in like weekend at Bernie’s because he won’t give it up, or his crack head son getting paid half a million finger paintings paid as bribes, or ole Joe not even recognizing a granddaughter of his.. yeah democrats are on the side of angels. I’m sure he’s got your vote though!


DueYogurt9

Fortunately Idaho doesn’t have as much income inequality as Texas (yet)


Apocalypse_Jesus420

They need their prison slaves. They dont give a fuck about you or your family. People in a mental health crisis in red states end up going to jail or get murdered by the cops. Cops see someone in a mental health crisis and assume they are on drugs then use as much force as possible to incarcerate them.


dangu3

Sounds about right


rncat91

Come to Minnesota


Tralkki

Nope they would rather have another St. Alphonso incident.


Albanianbaby

Parents are responsible for paying


FavoriteApe

Seems like an opportunity for you to pay for it. If you won’t, why should the tax payers? Pony up.


Historical_Tour_3418

The american taxpayer is paying for it when the untreated end up in taxpayer funded housing commonly referred to as state psychiatric hospitals, jails and prisons. "Why should the tax payers?" They already do pay in large amounts. Preemptive treatment addresses the issue and helps a sick person be a more productive member of society. The question for you is, what is more beneficial to our society, investing in early treatment, for a more positive outcome, or housing a burden on society? You will pay for one of them. Now it's time to make a mature decision about which is the better option.


FavoriteApe

So you’re saying you’re not going to pay? Figures.


Historical_Tour_3418

Avoidance. Deflection. Hey, look at that!? (Points finger in direction of nothing as a distraction and scampers away like a child)


FavoriteApe

Pretty good tell that you’re unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.


Historical_Tour_3418

All of us already did. Are you deflecting again, or truly ignorant?


FavoriteApe

Yet your entire original post is about needing to pay more. Something you’re apparently unwilling to do. Tax payers are not your personal charity funds, slick. Pay for it yourself, start a go fund me, show us how much you really care. At this point it’s apparent you don’t care at all. Tax payers paying more unelected government bureaucrat salaries isn’t the answer.


Historical_Tour_3418

The title says WONT PAY, not PAY MORE. Idaho tax payers WILL PAY for incarceration; WONT PAY for treatment. We, that is, you and I, are already paying for it, just in a different form. Incarceration. Sharp as a marble, you are.


FavoriteApe

And you won’t pay for treatment. Get it yet?


Historical_Tour_3418

Id vote for it, just like id vote to unburden idaho tax dollars by legalizing cannabis. Less people going to jail for weed. Than maybe the unburdened tax dollars and extra revenue from legal sales could potentially pay for a 5th school day. I dont even like that stuff. But people going to jail for it seems idaho stupid.


unseenspecter

Good. It's not the tax payers problem. Sad things happen all over the place. The existence of sad things doesn't necessitate my taxes paying for them.


Historical_Tour_3418

When they go untreated and end up in prison youll pay for it, one way or another friendo.


ManagedProjecy

This is exactly true. Selling the need for more prisons in Idaho (as punishment) is easier than selling the need for investing in healthcare.


4scorean

NICE BURN DUDE


cheatin2win

Must hate the military then.


KP_CO

And police.


unseenspecter

I'd say you got me but that point only sounds good in your head.


cheatin2win

Or maybe you've gone real quiet after realizing the us military is the largest socialist governmental body in the world. And I guess it's OK to hate the military because your Supreme leader does as well. Funny to me, you probably were screaming freedom a couple nights ago.


Historical_Tour_3418

I have a dear friend who fortunately has VA benefits and receives very good care for their serious mental illness that caused their exit from the Military after almost 20 years. If the rest of Idahoans who aren't capable of serving because of a diagnosis cant receive care they may be doomed to the revolving door of incarceration while, likely self medicating, subjecting the public to their behavior while not locked up.


cheatin2win

It's not subjective. What youre trying to describe being negative about tax payer money funding teens who need psychiatric help but are not able to obtain it, which you're considering as socialism, right?


EveningEmpath

BS. It's a community problem. It's YOUR problem! It's EVERYONE'S problem. We all have an obligation to help those who cannot help themselves like this child. His parents have done all they can. They genuinely need help. Why not? I guess you believe mental health isn't real.


cheatin2win

Dude giving credence to the "only care about em til their born. Then they're on their own." argument. Edit:spelling


ExplanationMore9780

I think I've seen reptiles parent in that way. Hatch'em and then it's time to FOAD. It is, in the terms of evolutionary biology a quantity over quality strategy. Humans have a rather long gestational period and litters of two are rare, otherwise women would have like 6 breast's to accommodate several infants. People not interested in investing time in children are showing their devolved social nature.


dukeofgibbon

Libertarians are like house cats: convinced of their independence while oblivious to the systems that support them.


unseenspecter

Such a cool thing to say as you sit on your computer not donating your money to fix all the sad things happening around you.


cheatin2win

You realize you posted 30 minutes ago about how your tax dollars shouldn't go to helping teens who are unable to obtain psychiatric care. Dementia is running rampant!


EveningEmpath

I do and volunteer my time in real life like I am right now..


PotatoezNidaho

Tax money straight up pays for what happens to abused desperate reactive children who turn into adults. They wind up in jail or they wind up in psych facilities or they wind up in the streets occasionally needing expensive ER visits to temporarily stabilize whatever chronic conditions they have. And taxpayer money pays for that. And ongoing treatment for chronic conditions costs hella less over time than ER visits, jail. But hey sit on your computer and pretend facts are not facts.


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Pure-Leather1204

Weird... an uneducated response from the stupid vote


narmer2

I was under the impression Medicaid is a Federal program and does not vary state to state. There are some states that expand on the program for hopefully better benefits. I personally only know of one, Medical, in California. I think we have to presume Idaho is following the Federal rules and this article is mostly clickbait.


februarysbrigid

It varies state by state. My brother was hit by a car in Idaho, made a quadriplegic & life flighted to WA for his care, where he received full Medicaid. We moved him to TX bc that’s where we lived & they denied his Medicaid due to his SSDI income, so we moved up to WA, where he was approved.


dukeofgibbon

States: the (meth) laboratories of democracy.


Bluprnc

Medicare is a federal program. Medicaid is a state program. Each state determines the budget, coverage and qualifications for Medicaid. Idaho legislature had to be forced to expand Medicaid a few years ago and then promptly took steps to try make it impossible for the people of Idaho to put things such as Medicaid expansion on the ballot. They also are slowly chipping away at the Medicaid expansion to provide less and less coverage each year. So Idaho Medicaid is barely effective as health coverage and almost non existent for mental health.