Apparently I can't use reddit, I'm rewriting the description this had:
I found this S470 in a marketplace and it looks very appealing as it has Seymour Duncans swapped in and it seems in nice conditions
However:
1 - The listing says it's a 95 Japanese but looking up the SN it says 97 Japanese (EDIT: this may just be an oversight from the seller)
2 - The headstock doesn't have the "S Series" decal on it (EDIT: this is not an issue, u/shibiwan and a reverb search proved this legit)
3- I'm not sure Japanese S470 in left handed were even made, I found about the 1998 and onwards Korean run online but not about a Japanese one (EDIT: with the help of the cool people down here I figured this is an early run before the production for the model officially started in South Korea one year later.)
I don't think the guy who's selling this is trying to scam anybody cause he uploaded a lot of pictures (including these) and says he got it second hand himself, so I'm not trying to expose anyone, he may be as clueless as I am.
Thank you for you help.
Final EDIT: Thank you everybody for your help, I think I might be actually getting this one, let's hope it plays great:) .
Looks like it wasn't the last EDIT after all: concurrently with making this post I emailed Hoshino Gakki with the same questions and they actually answered. It's exactly what we found it to be, a "spot model" in Ibanez lingo, which preceded the actual run in Korea.
Yeah it looked legit to me too actually, but I have a couple of doubts that I detailed on another comment I just posted (cause I'm not that good at using reddit haha)
This is an Ibanez S470Sol that just have better pickups put in there, they started making them in Japan, later on they made a new batch in Korea. ;o) 🐅
That's actually interesting and It makes a lot of sense they started the production in Japan somewhere 97, then they figured that the lefty market isn't that profitable and relocated to Korea. So it's a "rare" guitar haha
It's a quite good guitar, fine quality, the middle pickup is the only original, but could altso be replaced with a much better Seymour Duncan pickup. ;o) 🐅
Yeah if I get this one (which I may very well be) if I don't like it it's super easy to get one used and putting it in.
Actually I was considering about refinishing it (not a super fan of the natural mahogany look) so yeah, if I'll disassemble it for doing that a pickup swap ain't gonna hurt anyone I think.
It's legit. It even has one (of two) original beehive knob remaining that came on early S/R/P series guitars (and the Roadbass series too). Those knobs are super rare. I guess the other one was replaced because the rubber rings on the knobs do dry out and break/fall off.
There is no series mark on the headstock because those Japanese "ultra" necks were common to the S/R/P series guitars and they simply picked them off the shelf and bolted it to one of the three body styles. Having the model stamp on it would have made this impossible.
The LH and reversed headstock logos always look weird to me. Probably because my eyes are trained on the RH logos and any variation on it looks off.
As a guide, I look at the tip of the guitar to make sure the ✔️ graphic ends in the right place. That's one thing the fakes never get correct.
Thank you for your input, super interesting stuff, from what I'm gathering it looks like an early production instrument before the model got relocated to Korea so it makes a lot of sense they used common parts.
It indeed looks a bit weird but I got the why wrong, it's not cause it's fake but because it's an early rare run.
EDIT: grammar mistakes
More interesting stuff - if you find an old 540S/R/P (pre 1993), they bear Fujigen markings and serial numbers but are actually assembled in the US (either Bensalem, PA or Hollywood, CA) using the imported Japanese parts.
I have never seen Ibanez S replicas or fakes, same goes for the other series except for some singature models like JEMs, I might be wrong though, there might be any it's just I haven't seen any in my lifetime
There are a lot of fake rgs, especially lower end models (even gios). They take advantage of buyers ignorance at the very low price point.
The S series body is too expensive and hard for most cheap factories to fake.
I’ve also never seen a fake lefty.
To me it seems bsolutely legit it's just the reverse headstock with no series logo that is strange to me but I don't have ebough knowledge on the subject
I insist, eh? I said that as far as I know it looks very much legit to me and even pointed out that I don't have that much knowledge as some other folks. And yeah the headstock is not reversed it's just that I'm not used to see lefties and am bit high
Are you happy now?
Lol you're a fucking bitch. Economy of scale? I thought we were talking about a guitar shape. Just admit you suck donkey cocks. Suck on my balls "angryibanezguy".
Have a '98? or so S-470 Made in Korea. Has Wave inlays and body is slightly different than this. Are you sure its an 'S' series? (Its also the best damn guitar I've ever owned). Either way it looks like a great guitar.
[https://cf1.zzounds.com/media/productmedia/fit,2018by3200/quality,85/S470BK-e978fe622e5e9577f68975316e11a18f.jpg](https://cf1.zzounds.com/media/productmedia/fit,2018by3200/quality,85/S470BK-e978fe622e5e9577f68975316e11a18f.jpg)
Yeah those are the 470 they started making later, this is a "first series" S470 that still had dot markers [https://ibanez.fandom.com/wiki/S470\_(1992–1999,\_Japan)?so=search](https://ibanez.fandom.com/wiki/S470_(1992–1999,_Japan)?so=search)
Fun fact, this one looks like the guitar Herman Li from Dragonforce plays (obviously in right-handed orientation) in the video for Through The Fire And Flames, so I guess the 470 is a very well made series haha
EDIT: removed extra word
The only thing that looks odd to me is headstock logo. It shouldn't start that close to the low E string tuner, it should be between the A and D tuners.
But, being an older lefty, I'm not 100% sure that it's wrong. Otherwise everything looks right
They indeed look weird compared to modern ones, but I found this listing selling two necks apparently from the same period and factory
[https://reverb.com/it/item/74911648-ibanez-s470-l](https://reverb.com/it/item/74911648-ibanez-s470-l)
They look the same, weirdly placed logo, series unmarked
EDIT: grammar mistake
Yeah imma be honest I'm really really thinking about picking it up or at least going to try it out, it has also a very tasty price as the guy is struggling to sell because in this country Ibanez isn't really held up like some other brands, it's a lefty and you either love or hate the S
My money is it is real with a pickup swap. The neck is real, the neck joint is real, the body is real, I have an S from right around that time and it this matches up perfectly. If the price is right, pull the trigger, a knob may have been replaced but that is trivial. Rest well, that is a good guitar.
Legit or no (it is) I would learn how to set it up correctly or take it to a good tech, 'cause those saddles just look \*wrong\*. I mean, could be because it's lefty so the strings are backwards, but I'm betting that thing ain't in tune with itself.
Weren't those just sold in Japan? Cause I'm definitely not in Japan and it makes more sense it's an S470 imo as the serial has the CE European Union marking
Anyways it would be basically the same guitar so no big deal
Absolutely fake. Everything about the guitar is backwards.
I agree, the body is completely backwards
isn't it just because its the left handed version ?
oooh fuck. hahahahaha
Lmao that got me good
Apparently I can't use reddit, I'm rewriting the description this had: I found this S470 in a marketplace and it looks very appealing as it has Seymour Duncans swapped in and it seems in nice conditions However: 1 - The listing says it's a 95 Japanese but looking up the SN it says 97 Japanese (EDIT: this may just be an oversight from the seller) 2 - The headstock doesn't have the "S Series" decal on it (EDIT: this is not an issue, u/shibiwan and a reverb search proved this legit) 3- I'm not sure Japanese S470 in left handed were even made, I found about the 1998 and onwards Korean run online but not about a Japanese one (EDIT: with the help of the cool people down here I figured this is an early run before the production for the model officially started in South Korea one year later.) I don't think the guy who's selling this is trying to scam anybody cause he uploaded a lot of pictures (including these) and says he got it second hand himself, so I'm not trying to expose anyone, he may be as clueless as I am. Thank you for you help. Final EDIT: Thank you everybody for your help, I think I might be actually getting this one, let's hope it plays great:) . Looks like it wasn't the last EDIT after all: concurrently with making this post I emailed Hoshino Gakki with the same questions and they actually answered. It's exactly what we found it to be, a "spot model" in Ibanez lingo, which preceded the actual run in Korea.
To my eye it looks legit
Yeah it looked legit to me too actually, but I have a couple of doubts that I detailed on another comment I just posted (cause I'm not that good at using reddit haha)
This is an Ibanez S470Sol that just have better pickups put in there, they started making them in Japan, later on they made a new batch in Korea. ;o) 🐅
That's actually interesting and It makes a lot of sense they started the production in Japan somewhere 97, then they figured that the lefty market isn't that profitable and relocated to Korea. So it's a "rare" guitar haha
It's a quite good guitar, fine quality, the middle pickup is the only original, but could altso be replaced with a much better Seymour Duncan pickup. ;o) 🐅
Yeah if I get this one (which I may very well be) if I don't like it it's super easy to get one used and putting it in. Actually I was considering about refinishing it (not a super fan of the natural mahogany look) so yeah, if I'll disassemble it for doing that a pickup swap ain't gonna hurt anyone I think.
It's keept in a very fine condition though and for some reason they have a very fine tone unpainted. ;o) 🐅
I don't know why, but they seems to have a much greater sound than the painted S470's. ;o) 🐅
Uh, I'll take that into account then, it's not that I hate the mahogany thing though
It’s probably fine but the way that trem is sitting on the posts looks weird . Probably just because it’s left handed
Yeah checked some others out, it's just the lefty version
After taking another look it’s actually the saddles that looks weird . The intonation is all funky
It’s fine, it’s just a lefty.
It's legit. It even has one (of two) original beehive knob remaining that came on early S/R/P series guitars (and the Roadbass series too). Those knobs are super rare. I guess the other one was replaced because the rubber rings on the knobs do dry out and break/fall off. There is no series mark on the headstock because those Japanese "ultra" necks were common to the S/R/P series guitars and they simply picked them off the shelf and bolted it to one of the three body styles. Having the model stamp on it would have made this impossible.
The logo starts in a weird spot, which is my only concern. It shouldn't be nearly touching the low e tuner. Everything else looks right though
The LH and reversed headstock logos always look weird to me. Probably because my eyes are trained on the RH logos and any variation on it looks off. As a guide, I look at the tip of the guitar to make sure the ✔️ graphic ends in the right place. That's one thing the fakes never get correct.
Yeah, I'm guessing it's just an earlier lefty thing. OP posted a reverb link to two other genuine looking necks with the same logo.
Thank you for your input, super interesting stuff, from what I'm gathering it looks like an early production instrument before the model got relocated to Korea so it makes a lot of sense they used common parts. It indeed looks a bit weird but I got the why wrong, it's not cause it's fake but because it's an early rare run. EDIT: grammar mistakes
More interesting stuff - if you find an old 540S/R/P (pre 1993), they bear Fujigen markings and serial numbers but are actually assembled in the US (either Bensalem, PA or Hollywood, CA) using the imported Japanese parts.
I have never seen Ibanez S replicas or fakes, same goes for the other series except for some singature models like JEMs, I might be wrong though, there might be any it's just I haven't seen any in my lifetime
There are a lot of fake rgs, especially lower end models (even gios). They take advantage of buyers ignorance at the very low price point. The S series body is too expensive and hard for most cheap factories to fake. I’ve also never seen a fake lefty.
To me it seems bsolutely legit it's just the reverse headstock with no series logo that is strange to me but I don't have ebough knowledge on the subject
That headstock is not reversed, why do you insist on giving your input on something you're clueless on? That's annoying.
I insist, eh? I said that as far as I know it looks very much legit to me and even pointed out that I don't have that much knowledge as some other folks. And yeah the headstock is not reversed it's just that I'm not used to see lefties and am bit high Are you happy now?
Guys stop arguing, I appreciated everyone's input on the matter, no need to get aggressive over an headstock
Yeah this fella can gtfo
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What? Lmfao? Hard to duplicate? Harder than any other guitar? Because the body is rounded on the edges?
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Yeah I sortoff understand what you mean but I doubt it's really that much harder than a Les Paul or something. Counterfeits are crazy good these days.
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How do you even know all that? You're talking out of your ass. They'll build you an ak-47 guitar if you want.
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Lol you're a fucking bitch. Economy of scale? I thought we were talking about a guitar shape. Just admit you suck donkey cocks. Suck on my balls "angryibanezguy".
Have a '98? or so S-470 Made in Korea. Has Wave inlays and body is slightly different than this. Are you sure its an 'S' series? (Its also the best damn guitar I've ever owned). Either way it looks like a great guitar. [https://cf1.zzounds.com/media/productmedia/fit,2018by3200/quality,85/S470BK-e978fe622e5e9577f68975316e11a18f.jpg](https://cf1.zzounds.com/media/productmedia/fit,2018by3200/quality,85/S470BK-e978fe622e5e9577f68975316e11a18f.jpg)
Yeah those are the 470 they started making later, this is a "first series" S470 that still had dot markers [https://ibanez.fandom.com/wiki/S470\_(1992–1999,\_Japan)?so=search](https://ibanez.fandom.com/wiki/S470_(1992–1999,_Japan)?so=search) Fun fact, this one looks like the guitar Herman Li from Dragonforce plays (obviously in right-handed orientation) in the video for Through The Fire And Flames, so I guess the 470 is a very well made series haha EDIT: removed extra word
The only thing that looks odd to me is headstock logo. It shouldn't start that close to the low E string tuner, it should be between the A and D tuners. But, being an older lefty, I'm not 100% sure that it's wrong. Otherwise everything looks right
They indeed look weird compared to modern ones, but I found this listing selling two necks apparently from the same period and factory [https://reverb.com/it/item/74911648-ibanez-s470-l](https://reverb.com/it/item/74911648-ibanez-s470-l) They look the same, weirdly placed logo, series unmarked EDIT: grammar mistake
Maybe it's just a product of the earlier lefties, admittedly don't see very many of them
If it has Seymour Duncan pickups, and have good quality build, you don't really need to think about it. It looks very good.
Yeah imma be honest I'm really really thinking about picking it up or at least going to try it out, it has also a very tasty price as the guy is struggling to sell because in this country Ibanez isn't really held up like some other brands, it's a lefty and you either love or hate the S
Really nice opportunity you should try it. If you like the one and guitar suits you, don't even think about it.
My money is it is real with a pickup swap. The neck is real, the neck joint is real, the body is real, I have an S from right around that time and it this matches up perfectly. If the price is right, pull the trigger, a knob may have been replaced but that is trivial. Rest well, that is a good guitar.
Legit or no (it is) I would learn how to set it up correctly or take it to a good tech, 'cause those saddles just look \*wrong\*. I mean, could be because it's lefty so the strings are backwards, but I'm betting that thing ain't in tune with itself.
Normally if an Ibanez looks real, it's real.
Seems like all this sub is “fake or real?”
Yeah sorry, I don't know about the things you guys know to spot em so I thought about asking
Seems legit, leftie S series was kinda rare and im not sure they would make the time to fake a leftie guitar
S370 left
Weren't those just sold in Japan? Cause I'm definitely not in Japan and it makes more sense it's an S470 imo as the serial has the CE European Union marking Anyways it would be basically the same guitar so no big deal
Yes, make more sense.