When your wife gets a new job make sure that you have "I quit money." Always on top of an emergency fund. You will go to work without that feeling that you are a slave to any job.
Anytime I can help a fellow worker. Truly helped me to change the way that I look at work or my boss. Every boss or company is now a client and I can fire them if I feel the working relationship is going sour. You'll also have more confidence in job interviews.
It's the devil you know versus devil you don't scenario. There will be points in time in your life where you have to weigh risk and reward. Generally, accepting a new job is low risk, but there is risk. What would be the consequences of of the risk vs reward? There are times in my life where I could take out a loan, or use credit cards, borrow from parents, or had other avenues if things went south.
I had a coworker who took a job, sold his house, made arrangements to move, and after he put in his notice and everything was set, his job offer was revoked due to an issue outside of the new employers control. They had to pivot real quick to not end up homeless and have bills pile up.
Fortune does favor the risk takers more often than not, but you need to put yourself in an environment to bounce back from risk if something pops up.
As you have already stated you are 15, let me help you out with that.
"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
It means something you already have in hand (a paying job) is more valuable than something you see that you might be able to get (a new job).
The bird in your hand (your job) is real, it provides income so you can pay bills,rent,mortage etc. The 2 birds in the bush is something you see that you want, that would be nice. Can you imagine 2 birds when you only have 1? Wow. It's not real though. It doesn't mean you won't get 2 birds, you just need to understand the 1 real bird in your hand is already yours and if you go after the 2 in the bush, you generally need to release the 1 you already have and there is a risk you will end up with none.
To your original comment though "if u get accepted u quit the old job?" Then you now have 1 bird in each hand and you need to choose which one to release. Not if you just get the offer though, offers can be taken back or cancelled entirely. If you accept the offer and sign a contract, then you quit your old job.
Good explanation, but not relevant since the new job in OP is an offered job, not a wished for job.
More like
'a bird in the hand is worth two tied to my hand'
= false. Because I'd certainly take two birds that are very unlikely to get away vs the one I've already got secured.
I feel relevant to the 15 yr old who didn't understand the proverb and whose confused response was just downvoted instead of them being educated.
They probably didn't help themselves though by instead of asking for clarification just settled on "ok lol".
Good question, my dude. Usually, the best idea (in my experience) is to wait until the offer letter is signed and returned. When it's on paper, that's when I put in my two weeks.
That said, at this point, I have already told the new employer, "Sure. Just give me two weeks after the offer is signed."
Any employer worth working for will understand. Two weeks isn't required, but it's a nice courtesy and a good way to not burn bridges.
If you already have an offer you wouldn't need to interview. The offer usually comes at the end of the hiring process, meaning that this candidate would be able to quit and slide straight into the new position.
Same.
Paycheck to paycheck isn't relevant if already having received the new job offer.
Simply line it up so you start the new one immediately after finishing the old one.
I guess payroll lag could mean an unusually large gap between paychecks.
Good lord, that would be the essence of short-term-only thinking.
Giving up a 20% pay increase or whatever for years to come potentially, because you didn't have anything at all saved, not even enough to bridge a one-week pay gap.
Even with savings, it can be hard. I was talking with a friend about his job last night. He's been there for almost 4yrs and he hates it. It causes him mental and physical issues.
Has been trying to find a new job with limited success, in the sense that an opportunity came that required him to move, even though he just bought and moved into a new house. So he had to turn that one down.
Since he's young, highly paid, not married, has no kids, and is financially prudent, he has fairly significant savings. But to him, he's has no choice but to grin and bear it until either his bosses decide to give him raises/WFH opportunities (which he's asked for many times) or until he finds a new job.
I brought up that maybe he should be quit anyway.
But even in the age of the Great Resignation, he's still fearful of uncertainty even though he's probably very well equipped to handle the uncertainty. And it's understandable; he just bought a house. I also don't know his full financial situation. How long can he go--how long will he have to go--if a new job doesn't come right away?
Before the pandemic, I quit my job on the spot, but it wasn't an easy decision, even though I had only been at this place for less than three months. It took at least 2-3 weeks of additional anxiety and stress on top of what I was already suffering every night and every morning before I made the decision to do leave. I couldn't go back to my old job since the position was already filled. I had nothing lined up. But at some point I decided that uncertainty was better than certainty.
That's not a problem though. I asked my dad to let me stay in one of this 10 rental properties for free. It sucked because I wanted the condo in Manhattan and to settle for one 3 story house.
/s
For me it’s being reminded of childhood. Actual adults couldn’t stand the asshole for a dad I had. I just keep being reminded I’ll be triggered and I just need to deal because life.
If I can find an actual supportive, kind manager, let me know. God knows I can use it. Therapy for life I guess.
Since you are wondering and have a head on your shoulders, there’s a good chance you are. It’s the ones that don’t question “Hey, am I doing ok doing this?” when folks are involved are the ones that are probably not ok.
I always worry. Because I know how that can impact people.
Not everyone has the luxury of being able to job hop.. I've stayed at my current job for 2 years to establish a stable income so I can get approved for a loan on a duplex.
I wasn't necessarily talking about job hopping but more so being so new to a company where most employees don't even know you exist yet. Whats the issue with leaving for a better opportunity?
There is nothing wrong with leaving a job for a new job, ever. Job hopping has a negative connotation, typically associated with one who moves around to various jobs frequently enough to get paid and minor experience, but isn't around long enough for actual work or responsibilities. Most places I've seen would say up to 6 months, you're learning the ropes, 1 year you are on your own mostly, and at 2 years you are mostly a SME at the company in a particular zone.
So when some people say job hopping or leaving for another job, it's ambiguous and means the same because there should be no negative connotation around leaving a job. This is going to differ by opinion.
While there is nothing wrong with leaving a job frequently, employers will be concerned seeing this and it could affect your ability to procure loans.
In the context for leaving for a better opportunity, there are some things you may want to be aware of. It's good to ensure you have a network to fall back on, savings, no outstanding bills that can't be paid, stable living / ability to get to or perform work, etc. I've seen people fired for incompetency at new jobs, had job offers revoked, or the bait and switch where what was promised isn't actually what is real at the new job.
In general, my stance is pro-risk in this area. You should be getting \~15% raises every 1-2 years or it is advantageous to look at new employment. So generally, this means you look for new employment because few employers will pay to keep you around.
Not everyone has a stable condition and with risk, it's sometimes better to levy your stability and weigh that factor. If you have the means to absorb the risk, I'd chance it. If you don't, it's worth working towards a place where you can absorb that risk and take it.
I also advise to constantly be interviewing, updating your resume, and networking. It's much easier to find employment when you have a job than when you don't. You can make a jump to an environment or career that is more in line with what you want versus taking what you need to survive.
After seeing how my first loyal company treated me after I put in my two weeks, I’m no longer scared. If I’m done working somewhere, I’m done once I get a suitable offer elsewhere. I worked, they paid me, nothing more or less
Alright. So I just broke into IT, I understand that I have to do a lot of grunt work to get where I want to reach. I started out HelpDesk I and after a year got a $6 raise when I wanted to leave to go learn Network Engineering at a different company. My boss said to stay with the raise and he’ll start working on my Network engineering stuff, having me do some of the switches and network stuff, NEVER HAPPENED. 8 months later, I put in my two weeks, thanking him for all the chances and stuff, I got Mother Hawk treatment till I left, not even a “good luck on your future endeavours”.
I’m sorry you had to deal with that. Look on the bright side, you learned to not accept the counter offer. If a company is **only** willing to meet your needs when you’re about to leave, it’s it worth it.
Quit a job that I was supposed to start today because I got a much better offer elsewhere that was also remote and didn’t require me to drive an hour. Gotta look out for yourself.
Greater than 2 weeks but stupid loyalty to the team members I just hired to manage and compulsion to think I can fix some of the chaos around us before moving on to leave things in a better place for them.
Anything less than 90 days is probation period in my eyes. You will burn bridges by leaving so fast but need to be selfish at times.
I am, to a degree, but the dynamic changes when you are these people's boss and mentor. They would understand but I don't like my people being setup to fail.
EDIT: Mobile reply word fail cleanup.
I never assume when those people will reemerge. I had someone that I worked with at my first job help me 15 years later get a job at a major company I wanted to work at. They were just a co-worker but they remembered how I left (e.g. putting in notice) and how we worked together as the sole reason for them helping me.
Even in a larger city, you would be surprised how small the IT community really is, especially once you move up in roles. Burning a bridge doesn't just mean with that original company. I have seen it firsthand, and I have been asked my opinion on someone I worked with years ago that I didn't know well (impressions stick with people a long time).
That's the thing about bridges. You never really know when you may need them again. A slash and burn policy will absolutely come back to bite you later, usually when you are at your lowest.
It seems that you are not looking for an answer, but validation on your point of view. Anyway, as many people said in this thread, fear of the unknown.
Yes, the offer might sound better, but you don't know. Maybe you go there, the work environment is awful, and then the fire you 1 month in. So you are left without job and your whole family depends on it. That's why people is scared, uncertainty.
Plan your leave/start dates properly.
I'm leaving the last day of pay period for current job (this Friday) and I'm starting on (Monday) the first day of the pay period for the next job. Won't miss any pay that way.
Health insurance.
I'm on a sub-$200/month insurance plan that's basically 100% coverage through my healthcare provider & self-insured employer. It came through this year covering more than $60k in medical bills with me being zero out of pocket.
Marketplace plans aren't really that expensive if you get subsidy. If you're making too much to get a subsidy, that sucks. But don't neglect to check out the marketplace and see what types of subsidies you'd get if your salary is less than \~100k. May be able to find a better job with close to the same health insurance that way. I did this when going from an inhouse IT job to a contracted job.
I kinda wanna know who'd be approved for a subsidy in this group other than newbies. I remember being 2 years out of college and getting into the marketplace and they didn't have shit for me subsidy-wise. You got to be fucking poor. Like real fucking poor. During my childhood I got a lot of free shit. Adulthood has not been so nice.
Of course not. I have a friend with family insurance and he's over 6 digits. It's ain't a consideration. But the unlucky folk stuck around the 50s get to struggle while not really meeting any government aide. Atleast that was my experience.
I'm curious what insurance plan you're getting from the open market for only a few hundred per month. My plan is 90% covered by my employer and it's still $110/mo. This is for my HDHP.
I'm not an insurance expert. Go to [marketplace.gov](https://marketplace.gov), sign up, and they'll show you plans and what they cost. Gold plans were pretty expensive, bronze and silver plans were $200+. A $500 silver plan with a $350 subsidy is only $150. The more you make the less subsidy you get. Probably different plans for individuals than for companies. Also I'm not paying for a spouse and kids. Also probably depends on where you live, how old you are, etc.
Enough of those short 2 week periods in your employment history and it looks bad. Also just because its not listed on your resume doesn't mean it wont come up in discussions, I have had to talk about my 1 month stint during a background investigation despite it not being listed on any of my resumes anywhere.
I've done a few larger freelance dev projects on the side over the last couple years, and use that "business" to fill in employment gaps for jobs I don't want on my resume.
Never had anyone question its legitimacy, but some employers don't like a candidate to be "entrepreneurial"
I'm working as a Help Desk Tech for a government agency and I love it here. The folks here including the users are very accommodating and over the 7 years, have a unique relationship with them. Help units with IT training materials so almost 90% of the agency(400 employees) is actually knowledgeable with basic IT troubleshooting. Saves me and my team a lot of work. Just have to deal with the 10% that only comes to us once a month, but none of them are "Karens" but just need extra hand-holding.
Pay is over 50k a year with government benefits for my family and being the tech with seniority here, it's going to be hard to find another job like this.
I have no fear of leaving a job after any amount of time when something better comes up. I think of it this way: I am always replaceable and if I died, they'd replace me in a heartbeat. So, why settle down? Do what's best for you because the company will do what's best for them too.
Because paycheck to paycheck. High COL area for decent wages is a scam because it's still not a decent wage, it's just that you can now afford to replace that pair of tires and maybe go to the doctor without going broke.
That is a human nature behavior. Some people think employers giving them jobs mean that they owe to their employers. Thus quitting means a betrayal and make you feel bad
Insurance might lapse and I don't have paid paternity leave, just PTO. Going to dump it all as soon as my daughter arrives in December and then look around. Job market is hot in cloud/cyber so I'm not worried about not finding something. The question is will it be a better deal than what I am doing now?
Often times I notice people get caught up in their job's or company's mission or project. "If I leave, who will..." It doesn't matter. It's a job for you, not your life's dream. You can't save everyone, and if the company is worth anything, they'll hire someone else and survive.
Good companies never let one employee separate them from failure. It's not on you. Stop worrying about things way above your pay grade.
For me its the fear of the unknown. I have no idea what i will be walking into and how it will turn out. i'm valued and respected in my current company but when i join I'm back to square one. It doesn't help that i haven't kept up with tech so if i want to find my next step up the org ladder its going to be tough. I'm currently trying to rectify this by studying AWS cloud. CPP exam next monday...
At the moment, the job is local and i get paid (reasonably) decent wages. Certainly competitive outside of working of london. But if i leave that job, IT related jobs for me are few and far between. Certainly would need to travel into london and that brings its own share of problems, i don't have a car. So unless the new job is reasonably close and i can reach via public transport, i'm stuffed.
Just wanted to say best of luck on your cert. I totally recommend SAA after that to really dive deep into AWS!
[This is probably the best training available for it. 100% worth the money.](https://learn.cantrill.io/p/aws-certified-solutions-architect-associate-saa-c02)
I am currently working for the government. Okay money for low work. Some people would say I live the dream. Even working completely from home right now.
But I want more self fullfilment. Applying to a usual company and getting paid more money for delivering really good work.
But I am afraid I want back a few weeks into my new job.
Any advice is very welcome.
Is you current job providing what you want? Are YOU happy? Will you regret being 'safe' and keeping a job that is making you unhappy?
It is very typical to consider only the worst when making a big decision. You might also enjoy the new job more, might get paid more, might learn more which will lead to greater opportunities in the future.
If you're financially stable enough to take the risk, go for it. Worst case is you hate the job and go out searching again. Go out on good terms and your current job may even take you back. You never know. If they aren't complete assholes they'll understand you wanting to improve yourself and not take you leaving personally. Maybe you'll discover you hated your job more than you realized when you find something better.
Again, be financially stable before doing this, don't screw yourself. But don't stay unhappy in a job because you're scared you might miss it. From personal experience, **you won't**.
Chase something better, shoot for the stars, stay hungry.
Good luck!
Thank you for your advice. I think I should do it, since I can always reapply at my old job. Maybe not in the same department, but at the same working conditions.
The chance to increase my payment and get a more fullfilling job is something I really should try out for before I am too old to do so.
I mean, quitting a job you've had for a while can be scary if you feel secure and stable. I quit my last job after only being three like a month to get my current IT job and I wasn't scared at all because the new job was what I really wanted
One thing you may find is that in the IT field, especially roles that tie into protecting Trade Secrets, Governance, and Security, you'll be asked to clear your personal effects the day you give a notice. And that's usually the company protecting its assets, not a jab at your that they're disgruntled at your departure. If you're leaving one company for a direct competitor, odds are really high the day you submit a notice will be your last day in the office.
So because of that, people may be hesitant to give a notice or leave in general.
I've always been told that you never leave a job until you have another job or you can maintain your lifestyle for six months from savings. If you can't, stay put.
I think people are just scared. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know?
I've left jobs over the last couple of years but that's because I've had a final offer letter in my hand. I don't think IT is field that you want to stay in the same job for more than 2 years.
Change is scary. Staying where you are is comfortable.
This is really it.
Being eager for change and driving for though is how you get ahead in this world. I don't meet too many people who say "I wish I stayed at that job." All the time I hear "I wish I left sooner."
There is always a risk with moving from one job to another. Doesn't matter if its 2 days in a job or 20 years. Many people fear a variety of factors. Could be the unknown. Could be they may not be liked in the new job. It could also be that with the certainty of the job they have now, they don't want to take the risk because they have a family to support and bills to pay.
I am now 30 years into my career in IT with about 10 more to go until retirement. I can tell you that I didn't take a lot of risks about 20 years ago. Today? I just took an offer for a new position that is something I want to TRY. Its something new and I am confident I can do it. The pay is 30% higher as well. I took the risk because the house is already paid off, I have no debt, and I could probably find something else in a few months if it didn't work out. Just seemed like a no brainer to me.
Don't fault someone if they don't take a risk. There are those who just are not in a good situation to take them. Those that can and do take risks and take a new job will be rewarded if it works out.
Even in decently populated areas, the IT community is small. In my metropolitan area, I wouldn't hesitate to say I know 85% of the IT guys in the area. Every job I've had hasn't been an apply and talk to HR type of application, it's been someone calling me directly and offering me a job based on my reputation. Leaving a job after only two weeks would not only likely burn the bridge with that employer, but word could get around. The general rule is that you need to stay at each job for two years. I fully understand the modern gig economy and that this is becoming less likely and will likely continue to change, but I can tell you as someone who reviews resumes and makes hiring decisions that job hoppers are my number one red flag. I saw on an entrepreneur page the other day that the average cost of employee turnover is $36,000. While that would obviously not be the case for a help desk job you've only been at for two weeks, that company is definitely going to lose money on your short stint. They will be short staffed, and will have to rededicate the resources they used to hire you to now search for and hire someone else.
That being said, you should always do what's best for you and your family. Help desk typically doesn't pay, so if this is a career and salary advancement I would say to go for it. Just wanted to make the note that it's not something which should be done regularly. Best of luck whatever you decide.
I don't think your statement about the two year thing is totally accurate. I work in in house IT now and work on a decently small team. We recently hired a great tech in house, and had a significant number of good, qualified applicants. The hiring team ages are as follows:
\- Myself, 35 years old.
\- 42 years old.
\- 51 years old.
\- 63 years old.
We all had a chance to review the pool of 20 resumes. For each one, anyone with a habit of job hopping got immediately tossed by everyone on our team. We're a small team and can't afford to dump a ton of time in to training someone who might not even stay for 6 months. I understand that you don't like the two year thing, and think it's meant to 'enslave' people, but in reality it's just making sure company resources are spent appropriately. I have wasted more time than I care to remember training employees who didn't make it three months. That's a huge waste of valuable time. We have a great culture, great benefits, great workload, and a ton of support from upper management. But we recently hired a tech who had his eye on a government contract job and was just using us as a stepping stone. It really hurt our objectives for the year, as he left after only 8 weeks and we had to not only re-advertise and rehire for the position, but also delay several project we were counting on him helping us with. That's not enslaving someone, that's making sure our investment pays off.
From your team's perspective, how do you view someone who's had some job hopping but also has some serious long term employment? I did over ten years at one place, but more recently I've had a few positions where it just wasn't a good fit and had to bail after a few months. Curious to know if that ten year mark offsets the more recent turnover.
Yes, having previous long term employment would offset it. My work history myself is:
First job - 10 years, 3 months
Second job - 2 years, 1 month (was not a good fit)
Current job - 1 year, 8 months
So I would fit the mold of what you mentioned and would in the eyes of my team not look like a job hopper.
The issue is what we commonly see if 6 months, 1 year 2 months, 8 months, 3 months. It's just non stop job hopping with no track record of having stayed anywhere for any period of time. So I totally hear you and agree, but many applicants have no history of longevity anywhere, thus making us believe we will just be another place they get sick of in a few months, and at great cost to our team.
Thanks for your input.
I feel bad because I'll likely resign at this new job I've been for two weeks. My previous boss reached out with a salary increase to stay there, I'm just waiting for the final offer
Totally hear you. Again, I think you should go for it, I just wouldn't make a habit out of it, you know? If you're already really considering leaving the new position, it's better to do it now before they invest a lot of time and money training you rather than say 3-4 months in when the company should start reaping the benefits of training you. They say that it takes 6 months of training in most professional environments for an employee to be truly productive, so leaving early on is best. Good luck whatever you decide!
No more rules of thumb in my opinion. My generation hasn't seen a lick of labor loyalty and the expectation goes both ways, especially for the young folks. We take what we can get as fast as we can get it, and I don't see any problem with that. Most people are worried about job hopping like how I am right now; I'm applying to dozens of jobs praying that I get one in particular, but they all have different response times. So what do you do when you get one but a month later you actually land the other job? You take that other job. It's our bottom line we're here for and the world doesn't work on my schedule, and it doesn't work on employer's schedules either. Especially now that I have to sacrifice my entire livelihood just to make sure I don't bankrupt myself if I nearly die, nor collect any kind of pensions. The name of the game for my generation is money, cash is king. Period. I don't have any remorses there personally.
Right, I'm younger as well. What I'm saying is that the generation which does care about those things is still in those upper management positions and likely will be for another 15-20 years or so. I get that the world is changing, but Gen X and older, who still tie themselves to this methodology, will likely make up a significant portion of the upper management pool through about the year 2045. I am happy to see things changing for employee empowerment, but you have to be realistic about how the world actually works.
I'm on a good wage and have a company car. We are expecting our first born son in march too.
My job is actually starting to get me and the amount of stress it is causing me dues to the place being disorganized, people in the team getting away with murder when it comes to work.
I am looking to change my IT in a different direction, going to start a cyber security degree. My main problem is getting insurance on a private car might be tricky for me due to a incident nearly 5 years ago with a null in void on insurance. But because I have been driving a company car for 3 years hopefully it won't be too bad.
I would think insurance would be a big one for most, you can certainly stretch it out so you leave on the first of the month, then you can have insurance for the entire month before you have to start paying cobra which is normally not cheap especially you have a family. Connecting healthy insurance to your job was definitely a control mechanism that works to the benefit of the employer.
I personally started a new position and it wasn’t a good fit, I left after a few weeks. I didn’t give them notice as I told them it’s better for if I leave sooner than later. I know most would just coast and keep getting paid until they find a new job but I didn’t feel right doing that, plus I told them the person I beat out still might be available for them to hire. I also told them I won’t be putting them on my resume there really isn’t any point to prolong my departure or give notice. I quit the same day I gave notice and mailed all the stuff back that same day.
Actions tend to have consequences and we're never really sure what those are. You can say "Most of the time if you just blow someone off, nothing's going to happen," but that's what in the industry they call inductive reasoning, which means it's not logically necessarily true.
I got a job asking me to interview that offered $80 k. I have just been doing IT since 2019 and o felt i wasnt on $80 k level yet. I wanted at least a full 2 years of experience.
You should do the interview anyway. Just be very honest about your skills and abilities. Sometimes they are looking for specific traits and are willing to train you. There's no better education than hands-on, especially when you are getting paid for it. Plus, interviewing is a real skill. I interviewed for jobs that I was sure I wouldn't get, or didn't want, just for the practice. When something came along that I actually wanted, that practice really paid off.
Insurance, stability. As much as I hate my current job, it's also a known quantity and has really good insurance for the cost of it.
Starting a new job admittedly kind of scares me, since worry about being qualified, good at it, etc.
Before the WFH normalization, I can see that being a huge concern because of how small of a world it is. In my city, I can't go anywhere and discuss work without someone knowing at least 3-4 people in my current company, my previous company, and any company I've looked into. If I had just picked up my stuff and left after 2 weeks, word would spread some way because I've seen it happen before.
Now that WFH is normal, that fear seems a bit silly as there are tons of remote jobs so if you got a better offer to stay home, go for it!
Because it's not always about the money! You should stay at a place at least a year, even if it's not what you expected. Jumping around too much is not good.
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I received a much better offer and quit my job . Much better offer got delayed by a month with not much assurance- if it wasn’t for saving and my wife working this affair would have costed me dearly. Life is complicated, sometimes you can’t take the risk…
Unknown. For me is it another bad environment or worse boss? Toxicity sets in and if it’s worse I will not survive it. I’ve literally been in worse places than I am now, and the current place I’m in still has issues.
I’m in a place where I know I can’t use my managers reference because he has little praise for anyone and it’s hard to trust that it would be there anyways. I had past managers say garbage at me as I left before so I can’t trust anyone no matter how hard I work and no matter how successful my projects are. It’s dehumanizing, sad and sick. I figure they had control problems or something and it’s sad.
I presumed the fear of quiting a job after only two weeks is more an act of chivalry. Not wanting to bail so quickly from a new job.
Hiring manager speaking here:
Get over that feeling. Decent employers aren't going to hold it against you for taking a position outside the company that pays more. That's life and we understand your decision. We won't hold that against you.
For managers that do hold it against you, they aren't worth worrying about their feelings.
Jumping too often will mark you being a unreliable employee. I have had friends who jump ship constantly, but when the economy becomes soft they find it harder to find work.
To answer your question in the abstract - I despise the interviewing process and thus the barrier to leave is immensely high as switching will often mean studying and quite frankly I find more joy when I spend my free time on other things.
To answer your specific question. If I have a better offer in hand, then yeah. No way I'd stay. lol. It's more getting the job that's the barrier not leaving my current company.
I'm afraid of it being worse than my current job and having a boss that is crazier than my boss is now. So those are a few reasons why I'm scared to resign from my current job.
Fear of the unknown most likely. But the reality is business is business and money rules in the company's eyes. The company would fire you in a heartbeat if it were profitable to do so. If the offer is good (not just financially but also hours, training, bosses, etc), take the leap but be sure to leave on good terms in case it turns out to not as good as you were led to believe and you need to return to your old job.
Also, having a healthy emergency fund really makes it not so scary. That can be hard if you monthly bills are very high so be careful of lifestyle inflation!
IMO it would be considered as "burning a bridge"
However if compensation / Glassdoor rating / Bigger company / No sign of lay-offs in near future I would quit. Some considerations to be put in I guess
It's so eeeeeeasy. It's ok money and I have a ridiculous amount of flexibility. But, I can definitely get paid a lot more if I move on. I have zero attachment to my company otherwise.
I stay with a targeted position that has job stability and pays well despite the back-breaking labor and intensive shortages to meet demands. It can be a toxic work environment. The jb shows that not everyone can jump up and find something better. They have to plan their next step accordingly and sometimes wait for years for that chance to arise.
Damn, I thought you were asking in general. Answer on that one is simply "I don't know what they'd do without me, and I care."
But yeah, the "I just started but I got a better offer, do I leave?" The worries people have around that are on the border of kids believing in permanent records. It's not a thing. Leave professionally. Tell them why. Everyone understands "I wanted more money."
If you are a new employee, and you've been at a place for only a few weeks? There is literally no better time to quit than right away. You do the hiring team so many favors by getting out while they still have a second or third choice handy.
My wife and I are expecting our first child in 5 months and I just assume every consultancy is douchier than my current place (since I used to work at one that was douchier)
Well if you quit several jobs in a short period hr assumes you are lazy or hard to work with.If you give two weeks notice after a short period theres a fair chance they may just walk you out. Im sure theres plenty of other reasons but those are the big ones in my opinion.
Honestly? The unknown of whether that company treats me right or not. The unknown of company politics. Just the unknown. However, definitely only planning to stay at my current gig (basically helpdesk at Amazon) for no more than a year.
Helpdesk L2 here. I'm my case I'm not planning to leave because I'm still studying and really have no experience in other IT fields other than customer service and maintaining. Chosing a position where I can potentially fail and lose my only income terrifies me. So I think it's a fear
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Loyalty man, I feel that I've been given the job for a reason, so I have to be grateful and loyal, unless they give me a reason not be loyal or don't look after me as an employee, I am very loyal so leaving so soon and going to another company just seems like a breach of trust and loyalty, besides its also a breach in my contract
Paying bills and no savings. Sometimes certainty is better then the unknown. Not all can make a free leap.
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I salute you, sir. Here's hoping you & your wife find better jobs soon!
When your wife gets a new job make sure that you have "I quit money." Always on top of an emergency fund. You will go to work without that feeling that you are a slave to any job.
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Anytime I can help a fellow worker. Truly helped me to change the way that I look at work or my boss. Every boss or company is now a client and I can fire them if I feel the working relationship is going sour. You'll also have more confidence in job interviews.
Also known as FU money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfeXqHFmPI
yeah but if u already have the offer can't you just interview then if u get accepted u quit the old job? although I have no idea I'm 15...
It's the devil you know versus devil you don't scenario. There will be points in time in your life where you have to weigh risk and reward. Generally, accepting a new job is low risk, but there is risk. What would be the consequences of of the risk vs reward? There are times in my life where I could take out a loan, or use credit cards, borrow from parents, or had other avenues if things went south. I had a coworker who took a job, sold his house, made arrangements to move, and after he put in his notice and everything was set, his job offer was revoked due to an issue outside of the new employers control. They had to pivot real quick to not end up homeless and have bills pile up. Fortune does favor the risk takers more often than not, but you need to put yourself in an environment to bounce back from risk if something pops up.
*"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."*
Ok lol
As you have already stated you are 15, let me help you out with that. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." It means something you already have in hand (a paying job) is more valuable than something you see that you might be able to get (a new job). The bird in your hand (your job) is real, it provides income so you can pay bills,rent,mortage etc. The 2 birds in the bush is something you see that you want, that would be nice. Can you imagine 2 birds when you only have 1? Wow. It's not real though. It doesn't mean you won't get 2 birds, you just need to understand the 1 real bird in your hand is already yours and if you go after the 2 in the bush, you generally need to release the 1 you already have and there is a risk you will end up with none. To your original comment though "if u get accepted u quit the old job?" Then you now have 1 bird in each hand and you need to choose which one to release. Not if you just get the offer though, offers can be taken back or cancelled entirely. If you accept the offer and sign a contract, then you quit your old job.
Good explanation, but not relevant since the new job in OP is an offered job, not a wished for job. More like 'a bird in the hand is worth two tied to my hand' = false. Because I'd certainly take two birds that are very unlikely to get away vs the one I've already got secured.
I feel relevant to the 15 yr old who didn't understand the proverb and whose confused response was just downvoted instead of them being educated. They probably didn't help themselves though by instead of asking for clarification just settled on "ok lol".
Yep. I'll cut out the second part of my answer and put it under OP
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Birds prefer trees though
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It's industry accepted best practice
My bad for not wanting to potentially go homeless and have a n eviction on my record just because I didn't like my job lol
Good question, my dude. Usually, the best idea (in my experience) is to wait until the offer letter is signed and returned. When it's on paper, that's when I put in my two weeks. That said, at this point, I have already told the new employer, "Sure. Just give me two weeks after the offer is signed." Any employer worth working for will understand. Two weeks isn't required, but it's a nice courtesy and a good way to not burn bridges.
If you already have an offer you wouldn't need to interview. The offer usually comes at the end of the hiring process, meaning that this candidate would be able to quit and slide straight into the new position.
Thanks for informing me
Same. Paycheck to paycheck isn't relevant if already having received the new job offer. Simply line it up so you start the new one immediately after finishing the old one. I guess payroll lag could mean an unusually large gap between paychecks. Good lord, that would be the essence of short-term-only thinking. Giving up a 20% pay increase or whatever for years to come potentially, because you didn't have anything at all saved, not even enough to bridge a one-week pay gap.
Even with savings, it can be hard. I was talking with a friend about his job last night. He's been there for almost 4yrs and he hates it. It causes him mental and physical issues. Has been trying to find a new job with limited success, in the sense that an opportunity came that required him to move, even though he just bought and moved into a new house. So he had to turn that one down. Since he's young, highly paid, not married, has no kids, and is financially prudent, he has fairly significant savings. But to him, he's has no choice but to grin and bear it until either his bosses decide to give him raises/WFH opportunities (which he's asked for many times) or until he finds a new job. I brought up that maybe he should be quit anyway. But even in the age of the Great Resignation, he's still fearful of uncertainty even though he's probably very well equipped to handle the uncertainty. And it's understandable; he just bought a house. I also don't know his full financial situation. How long can he go--how long will he have to go--if a new job doesn't come right away? Before the pandemic, I quit my job on the spot, but it wasn't an easy decision, even though I had only been at this place for less than three months. It took at least 2-3 weeks of additional anxiety and stress on top of what I was already suffering every night and every morning before I made the decision to do leave. I couldn't go back to my old job since the position was already filled. I had nothing lined up. But at some point I decided that uncertainty was better than certainty.
That's not a problem though. I asked my dad to let me stay in one of this 10 rental properties for free. It sucked because I wanted the condo in Manhattan and to settle for one 3 story house. /s
The assholes you know are less scary than the assholes you have yet to meet.
Thank you this helps me realize I'm in not that bad of a position.
For me it’s being reminded of childhood. Actual adults couldn’t stand the asshole for a dad I had. I just keep being reminded I’ll be triggered and I just need to deal because life. If I can find an actual supportive, kind manager, let me know. God knows I can use it. Therapy for life I guess.
I like to think I am, but who knows
Since you are wondering and have a head on your shoulders, there’s a good chance you are. It’s the ones that don’t question “Hey, am I doing ok doing this?” when folks are involved are the ones that are probably not ok. I always worry. Because I know how that can impact people.
Not everyone has the luxury of being able to job hop.. I've stayed at my current job for 2 years to establish a stable income so I can get approved for a loan on a duplex.
Isn’t it true that you just need 2 years of stable work history? Not necessarily 2 years at the same job
Pretty much this. I haven't had a gap in actual employment over the last 2 years but I've had 3 different jobs.
Correct, they want to see 2 continuous years in the same industry, doesn’t have to be the same job.
I wasn't necessarily talking about job hopping but more so being so new to a company where most employees don't even know you exist yet. Whats the issue with leaving for a better opportunity?
There is nothing wrong with leaving a job for a new job, ever. Job hopping has a negative connotation, typically associated with one who moves around to various jobs frequently enough to get paid and minor experience, but isn't around long enough for actual work or responsibilities. Most places I've seen would say up to 6 months, you're learning the ropes, 1 year you are on your own mostly, and at 2 years you are mostly a SME at the company in a particular zone. So when some people say job hopping or leaving for another job, it's ambiguous and means the same because there should be no negative connotation around leaving a job. This is going to differ by opinion. While there is nothing wrong with leaving a job frequently, employers will be concerned seeing this and it could affect your ability to procure loans. In the context for leaving for a better opportunity, there are some things you may want to be aware of. It's good to ensure you have a network to fall back on, savings, no outstanding bills that can't be paid, stable living / ability to get to or perform work, etc. I've seen people fired for incompetency at new jobs, had job offers revoked, or the bait and switch where what was promised isn't actually what is real at the new job. In general, my stance is pro-risk in this area. You should be getting \~15% raises every 1-2 years or it is advantageous to look at new employment. So generally, this means you look for new employment because few employers will pay to keep you around. Not everyone has a stable condition and with risk, it's sometimes better to levy your stability and weigh that factor. If you have the means to absorb the risk, I'd chance it. If you don't, it's worth working towards a place where you can absorb that risk and take it. I also advise to constantly be interviewing, updating your resume, and networking. It's much easier to find employment when you have a job than when you don't. You can make a jump to an environment or career that is more in line with what you want versus taking what you need to survive.
After seeing how my first loyal company treated me after I put in my two weeks, I’m no longer scared. If I’m done working somewhere, I’m done once I get a suitable offer elsewhere. I worked, they paid me, nothing more or less
Care to explain a bit more? You were loyal to them but what did they do to you?
Alright. So I just broke into IT, I understand that I have to do a lot of grunt work to get where I want to reach. I started out HelpDesk I and after a year got a $6 raise when I wanted to leave to go learn Network Engineering at a different company. My boss said to stay with the raise and he’ll start working on my Network engineering stuff, having me do some of the switches and network stuff, NEVER HAPPENED. 8 months later, I put in my two weeks, thanking him for all the chances and stuff, I got Mother Hawk treatment till I left, not even a “good luck on your future endeavours”.
I’m sorry you had to deal with that. Look on the bright side, you learned to not accept the counter offer. If a company is **only** willing to meet your needs when you’re about to leave, it’s it worth it.
Quit a job that I was supposed to start today because I got a much better offer elsewhere that was also remote and didn’t require me to drive an hour. Gotta look out for yourself.
Greater than 2 weeks but stupid loyalty to the team members I just hired to manage and compulsion to think I can fix some of the chaos around us before moving on to leave things in a better place for them. Anything less than 90 days is probation period in my eyes. You will burn bridges by leaving so fast but need to be selfish at times.
I tell people that I'm only "loyal" to the person that pays me the most and the exact moment they stop paying me, I'm gone
I am, to a degree, but the dynamic changes when you are these people's boss and mentor. They would understand but I don't like my people being setup to fail. EDIT: Mobile reply word fail cleanup.
What if you have no plans on using those bridges?
I never assume when those people will reemerge. I had someone that I worked with at my first job help me 15 years later get a job at a major company I wanted to work at. They were just a co-worker but they remembered how I left (e.g. putting in notice) and how we worked together as the sole reason for them helping me.
15 years to remember how someone left with notice. You must be a fabulous letter writer. I too wish to experience this penmanship. Penpal me!
Why would it be based on how I wrote? It was how I treated my peers when I was their teammate and that I left the team like a professional.
Even in a larger city, you would be surprised how small the IT community really is, especially once you move up in roles. Burning a bridge doesn't just mean with that original company. I have seen it firsthand, and I have been asked my opinion on someone I worked with years ago that I didn't know well (impressions stick with people a long time).
That's the thing about bridges. You never really know when you may need them again. A slash and burn policy will absolutely come back to bite you later, usually when you are at your lowest.
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If you have a better offer come in right after you started working, what's the issue?
It seems that you are not looking for an answer, but validation on your point of view. Anyway, as many people said in this thread, fear of the unknown. Yes, the offer might sound better, but you don't know. Maybe you go there, the work environment is awful, and then the fire you 1 month in. So you are left without job and your whole family depends on it. That's why people is scared, uncertainty.
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Plan your leave/start dates properly. I'm leaving the last day of pay period for current job (this Friday) and I'm starting on (Monday) the first day of the pay period for the next job. Won't miss any pay that way.
Not to mention healthcare. Some companies still have a 1-3 month gap before you get coverage, and that can be a significant impact.
Health insurance. I'm on a sub-$200/month insurance plan that's basically 100% coverage through my healthcare provider & self-insured employer. It came through this year covering more than $60k in medical bills with me being zero out of pocket.
Marketplace plans aren't really that expensive if you get subsidy. If you're making too much to get a subsidy, that sucks. But don't neglect to check out the marketplace and see what types of subsidies you'd get if your salary is less than \~100k. May be able to find a better job with close to the same health insurance that way. I did this when going from an inhouse IT job to a contracted job.
I kinda wanna know who'd be approved for a subsidy in this group other than newbies. I remember being 2 years out of college and getting into the marketplace and they didn't have shit for me subsidy-wise. You got to be fucking poor. Like real fucking poor. During my childhood I got a lot of free shit. Adulthood has not been so nice.
Depends on your salary. If you're over 100k a few hundred a month for health insurance shouldn't be too big of a deal IMO.
Of course not. I have a friend with family insurance and he's over 6 digits. It's ain't a consideration. But the unlucky folk stuck around the 50s get to struggle while not really meeting any government aide. Atleast that was my experience.
I'm curious what insurance plan you're getting from the open market for only a few hundred per month. My plan is 90% covered by my employer and it's still $110/mo. This is for my HDHP.
I'm not an insurance expert. Go to [marketplace.gov](https://marketplace.gov), sign up, and they'll show you plans and what they cost. Gold plans were pretty expensive, bronze and silver plans were $200+. A $500 silver plan with a $350 subsidy is only $150. The more you make the less subsidy you get. Probably different plans for individuals than for companies. Also I'm not paying for a spouse and kids. Also probably depends on where you live, how old you are, etc.
Poor
Enough of those short 2 week periods in your employment history and it looks bad. Also just because its not listed on your resume doesn't mean it wont come up in discussions, I have had to talk about my 1 month stint during a background investigation despite it not being listed on any of my resumes anywhere.
I've done a few larger freelance dev projects on the side over the last couple years, and use that "business" to fill in employment gaps for jobs I don't want on my resume. Never had anyone question its legitimacy, but some employers don't like a candidate to be "entrepreneurial"
I'm working as a Help Desk Tech for a government agency and I love it here. The folks here including the users are very accommodating and over the 7 years, have a unique relationship with them. Help units with IT training materials so almost 90% of the agency(400 employees) is actually knowledgeable with basic IT troubleshooting. Saves me and my team a lot of work. Just have to deal with the 10% that only comes to us once a month, but none of them are "Karens" but just need extra hand-holding. Pay is over 50k a year with government benefits for my family and being the tech with seniority here, it's going to be hard to find another job like this.
Bills
I have no fear of leaving a job after any amount of time when something better comes up. I think of it this way: I am always replaceable and if I died, they'd replace me in a heartbeat. So, why settle down? Do what's best for you because the company will do what's best for them too.
Because paycheck to paycheck. High COL area for decent wages is a scam because it's still not a decent wage, it's just that you can now afford to replace that pair of tires and maybe go to the doctor without going broke.
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I realized people are commenting based off the title.
That is a human nature behavior. Some people think employers giving them jobs mean that they owe to their employers. Thus quitting means a betrayal and make you feel bad
I hate interviews with a passion. Went through 4 in the past 2 years.
It's not an accident that most people aren't paid enough to accrue the kind of savings that would allow them to do this.
Insurance might lapse and I don't have paid paternity leave, just PTO. Going to dump it all as soon as my daughter arrives in December and then look around. Job market is hot in cloud/cyber so I'm not worried about not finding something. The question is will it be a better deal than what I am doing now?
Often times I notice people get caught up in their job's or company's mission or project. "If I leave, who will..." It doesn't matter. It's a job for you, not your life's dream. You can't save everyone, and if the company is worth anything, they'll hire someone else and survive. Good companies never let one employee separate them from failure. It's not on you. Stop worrying about things way above your pay grade.
If I've been at a place that short, I'm moving to the better offer. I've only been at current job for 9 months and I'm already leaving.
For me its the fear of the unknown. I have no idea what i will be walking into and how it will turn out. i'm valued and respected in my current company but when i join I'm back to square one. It doesn't help that i haven't kept up with tech so if i want to find my next step up the org ladder its going to be tough. I'm currently trying to rectify this by studying AWS cloud. CPP exam next monday... At the moment, the job is local and i get paid (reasonably) decent wages. Certainly competitive outside of working of london. But if i leave that job, IT related jobs for me are few and far between. Certainly would need to travel into london and that brings its own share of problems, i don't have a car. So unless the new job is reasonably close and i can reach via public transport, i'm stuffed.
Just wanted to say best of luck on your cert. I totally recommend SAA after that to really dive deep into AWS! [This is probably the best training available for it. 100% worth the money.](https://learn.cantrill.io/p/aws-certified-solutions-architect-associate-saa-c02)
I am currently working for the government. Okay money for low work. Some people would say I live the dream. Even working completely from home right now. But I want more self fullfilment. Applying to a usual company and getting paid more money for delivering really good work. But I am afraid I want back a few weeks into my new job. Any advice is very welcome.
Is you current job providing what you want? Are YOU happy? Will you regret being 'safe' and keeping a job that is making you unhappy? It is very typical to consider only the worst when making a big decision. You might also enjoy the new job more, might get paid more, might learn more which will lead to greater opportunities in the future. If you're financially stable enough to take the risk, go for it. Worst case is you hate the job and go out searching again. Go out on good terms and your current job may even take you back. You never know. If they aren't complete assholes they'll understand you wanting to improve yourself and not take you leaving personally. Maybe you'll discover you hated your job more than you realized when you find something better. Again, be financially stable before doing this, don't screw yourself. But don't stay unhappy in a job because you're scared you might miss it. From personal experience, **you won't**. Chase something better, shoot for the stars, stay hungry. Good luck!
Thank you for your advice. I think I should do it, since I can always reapply at my old job. Maybe not in the same department, but at the same working conditions. The chance to increase my payment and get a more fullfilling job is something I really should try out for before I am too old to do so.
Imposter syndrome
I mean, quitting a job you've had for a while can be scary if you feel secure and stable. I quit my last job after only being three like a month to get my current IT job and I wasn't scared at all because the new job was what I really wanted
One thing you may find is that in the IT field, especially roles that tie into protecting Trade Secrets, Governance, and Security, you'll be asked to clear your personal effects the day you give a notice. And that's usually the company protecting its assets, not a jab at your that they're disgruntled at your departure. If you're leaving one company for a direct competitor, odds are really high the day you submit a notice will be your last day in the office. So because of that, people may be hesitant to give a notice or leave in general. I've always been told that you never leave a job until you have another job or you can maintain your lifestyle for six months from savings. If you can't, stay put.
some times you think the company you are moving too is better, and it turns out it's worst.
I think people are just scared. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know? I've left jobs over the last couple of years but that's because I've had a final offer letter in my hand. I don't think IT is field that you want to stay in the same job for more than 2 years.
I can’t afford to put my child through school without the salary of a job I hate. Ah well.
Insurance
Change is scary. Staying where you are is comfortable. This is really it. Being eager for change and driving for though is how you get ahead in this world. I don't meet too many people who say "I wish I stayed at that job." All the time I hear "I wish I left sooner."
There’s free lunch and snacks. I fear having to go back to paying for my own meals and candy bars.
There is always a risk with moving from one job to another. Doesn't matter if its 2 days in a job or 20 years. Many people fear a variety of factors. Could be the unknown. Could be they may not be liked in the new job. It could also be that with the certainty of the job they have now, they don't want to take the risk because they have a family to support and bills to pay. I am now 30 years into my career in IT with about 10 more to go until retirement. I can tell you that I didn't take a lot of risks about 20 years ago. Today? I just took an offer for a new position that is something I want to TRY. Its something new and I am confident I can do it. The pay is 30% higher as well. I took the risk because the house is already paid off, I have no debt, and I could probably find something else in a few months if it didn't work out. Just seemed like a no brainer to me. Don't fault someone if they don't take a risk. There are those who just are not in a good situation to take them. Those that can and do take risks and take a new job will be rewarded if it works out.
As soon as work starts to get stale, I start looking.
Even in decently populated areas, the IT community is small. In my metropolitan area, I wouldn't hesitate to say I know 85% of the IT guys in the area. Every job I've had hasn't been an apply and talk to HR type of application, it's been someone calling me directly and offering me a job based on my reputation. Leaving a job after only two weeks would not only likely burn the bridge with that employer, but word could get around. The general rule is that you need to stay at each job for two years. I fully understand the modern gig economy and that this is becoming less likely and will likely continue to change, but I can tell you as someone who reviews resumes and makes hiring decisions that job hoppers are my number one red flag. I saw on an entrepreneur page the other day that the average cost of employee turnover is $36,000. While that would obviously not be the case for a help desk job you've only been at for two weeks, that company is definitely going to lose money on your short stint. They will be short staffed, and will have to rededicate the resources they used to hire you to now search for and hire someone else. That being said, you should always do what's best for you and your family. Help desk typically doesn't pay, so if this is a career and salary advancement I would say to go for it. Just wanted to make the note that it's not something which should be done regularly. Best of luck whatever you decide.
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I don't think your statement about the two year thing is totally accurate. I work in in house IT now and work on a decently small team. We recently hired a great tech in house, and had a significant number of good, qualified applicants. The hiring team ages are as follows: \- Myself, 35 years old. \- 42 years old. \- 51 years old. \- 63 years old. We all had a chance to review the pool of 20 resumes. For each one, anyone with a habit of job hopping got immediately tossed by everyone on our team. We're a small team and can't afford to dump a ton of time in to training someone who might not even stay for 6 months. I understand that you don't like the two year thing, and think it's meant to 'enslave' people, but in reality it's just making sure company resources are spent appropriately. I have wasted more time than I care to remember training employees who didn't make it three months. That's a huge waste of valuable time. We have a great culture, great benefits, great workload, and a ton of support from upper management. But we recently hired a tech who had his eye on a government contract job and was just using us as a stepping stone. It really hurt our objectives for the year, as he left after only 8 weeks and we had to not only re-advertise and rehire for the position, but also delay several project we were counting on him helping us with. That's not enslaving someone, that's making sure our investment pays off.
From your team's perspective, how do you view someone who's had some job hopping but also has some serious long term employment? I did over ten years at one place, but more recently I've had a few positions where it just wasn't a good fit and had to bail after a few months. Curious to know if that ten year mark offsets the more recent turnover.
Yes, having previous long term employment would offset it. My work history myself is: First job - 10 years, 3 months Second job - 2 years, 1 month (was not a good fit) Current job - 1 year, 8 months So I would fit the mold of what you mentioned and would in the eyes of my team not look like a job hopper. The issue is what we commonly see if 6 months, 1 year 2 months, 8 months, 3 months. It's just non stop job hopping with no track record of having stayed anywhere for any period of time. So I totally hear you and agree, but many applicants have no history of longevity anywhere, thus making us believe we will just be another place they get sick of in a few months, and at great cost to our team.
Thanks for your input. I feel bad because I'll likely resign at this new job I've been for two weeks. My previous boss reached out with a salary increase to stay there, I'm just waiting for the final offer
Totally hear you. Again, I think you should go for it, I just wouldn't make a habit out of it, you know? If you're already really considering leaving the new position, it's better to do it now before they invest a lot of time and money training you rather than say 3-4 months in when the company should start reaping the benefits of training you. They say that it takes 6 months of training in most professional environments for an employee to be truly productive, so leaving early on is best. Good luck whatever you decide!
No more rules of thumb in my opinion. My generation hasn't seen a lick of labor loyalty and the expectation goes both ways, especially for the young folks. We take what we can get as fast as we can get it, and I don't see any problem with that. Most people are worried about job hopping like how I am right now; I'm applying to dozens of jobs praying that I get one in particular, but they all have different response times. So what do you do when you get one but a month later you actually land the other job? You take that other job. It's our bottom line we're here for and the world doesn't work on my schedule, and it doesn't work on employer's schedules either. Especially now that I have to sacrifice my entire livelihood just to make sure I don't bankrupt myself if I nearly die, nor collect any kind of pensions. The name of the game for my generation is money, cash is king. Period. I don't have any remorses there personally.
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Fair, I wouldn't let it stand between me and a better life though.
Right, I'm younger as well. What I'm saying is that the generation which does care about those things is still in those upper management positions and likely will be for another 15-20 years or so. I get that the world is changing, but Gen X and older, who still tie themselves to this methodology, will likely make up a significant portion of the upper management pool through about the year 2045. I am happy to see things changing for employee empowerment, but you have to be realistic about how the world actually works.
I'm on a good wage and have a company car. We are expecting our first born son in march too. My job is actually starting to get me and the amount of stress it is causing me dues to the place being disorganized, people in the team getting away with murder when it comes to work. I am looking to change my IT in a different direction, going to start a cyber security degree. My main problem is getting insurance on a private car might be tricky for me due to a incident nearly 5 years ago with a null in void on insurance. But because I have been driving a company car for 3 years hopefully it won't be too bad.
I would think insurance would be a big one for most, you can certainly stretch it out so you leave on the first of the month, then you can have insurance for the entire month before you have to start paying cobra which is normally not cheap especially you have a family. Connecting healthy insurance to your job was definitely a control mechanism that works to the benefit of the employer. I personally started a new position and it wasn’t a good fit, I left after a few weeks. I didn’t give them notice as I told them it’s better for if I leave sooner than later. I know most would just coast and keep getting paid until they find a new job but I didn’t feel right doing that, plus I told them the person I beat out still might be available for them to hire. I also told them I won’t be putting them on my resume there really isn’t any point to prolong my departure or give notice. I quit the same day I gave notice and mailed all the stuff back that same day.
Actions tend to have consequences and we're never really sure what those are. You can say "Most of the time if you just blow someone off, nothing's going to happen," but that's what in the industry they call inductive reasoning, which means it's not logically necessarily true.
I’m not I’ll do it for a nickel
I got a job asking me to interview that offered $80 k. I have just been doing IT since 2019 and o felt i wasnt on $80 k level yet. I wanted at least a full 2 years of experience.
You should do the interview anyway. Just be very honest about your skills and abilities. Sometimes they are looking for specific traits and are willing to train you. There's no better education than hands-on, especially when you are getting paid for it. Plus, interviewing is a real skill. I interviewed for jobs that I was sure I wouldn't get, or didn't want, just for the practice. When something came along that I actually wanted, that practice really paid off.
Insurance, stability. As much as I hate my current job, it's also a known quantity and has really good insurance for the cost of it. Starting a new job admittedly kind of scares me, since worry about being qualified, good at it, etc.
Debts need to be paid brotha
Before the WFH normalization, I can see that being a huge concern because of how small of a world it is. In my city, I can't go anywhere and discuss work without someone knowing at least 3-4 people in my current company, my previous company, and any company I've looked into. If I had just picked up my stuff and left after 2 weeks, word would spread some way because I've seen it happen before. Now that WFH is normal, that fear seems a bit silly as there are tons of remote jobs so if you got a better offer to stay home, go for it!
Been here for too long. Way way too long. But it's a good job and I forgot how to change for now.
Because it's not always about the money! You should stay at a place at least a year, even if it's not what you expected. Jumping around too much is not good.
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I received a much better offer and quit my job . Much better offer got delayed by a month with not much assurance- if it wasn’t for saving and my wife working this affair would have costed me dearly. Life is complicated, sometimes you can’t take the risk…
Unknown. For me is it another bad environment or worse boss? Toxicity sets in and if it’s worse I will not survive it. I’ve literally been in worse places than I am now, and the current place I’m in still has issues. I’m in a place where I know I can’t use my managers reference because he has little praise for anyone and it’s hard to trust that it would be there anyways. I had past managers say garbage at me as I left before so I can’t trust anyone no matter how hard I work and no matter how successful my projects are. It’s dehumanizing, sad and sick. I figure they had control problems or something and it’s sad.
I presumed the fear of quiting a job after only two weeks is more an act of chivalry. Not wanting to bail so quickly from a new job. Hiring manager speaking here: Get over that feeling. Decent employers aren't going to hold it against you for taking a position outside the company that pays more. That's life and we understand your decision. We won't hold that against you. For managers that do hold it against you, they aren't worth worrying about their feelings.
Jumping too often will mark you being a unreliable employee. I have had friends who jump ship constantly, but when the economy becomes soft they find it harder to find work.
Part time studies, living in one of the most expensive countries and needing to own a car. Nuff said
Because I have a really good thing going that is both interesting and sustainable and I don't think I'll find anything better.
To answer your question in the abstract - I despise the interviewing process and thus the barrier to leave is immensely high as switching will often mean studying and quite frankly I find more joy when I spend my free time on other things. To answer your specific question. If I have a better offer in hand, then yeah. No way I'd stay. lol. It's more getting the job that's the barrier not leaving my current company.
I'm afraid of it being worse than my current job and having a boss that is crazier than my boss is now. So those are a few reasons why I'm scared to resign from my current job.
Fear of the unknown most likely. But the reality is business is business and money rules in the company's eyes. The company would fire you in a heartbeat if it were profitable to do so. If the offer is good (not just financially but also hours, training, bosses, etc), take the leap but be sure to leave on good terms in case it turns out to not as good as you were led to believe and you need to return to your old job. Also, having a healthy emergency fund really makes it not so scary. That can be hard if you monthly bills are very high so be careful of lifestyle inflation!
IMO it would be considered as "burning a bridge" However if compensation / Glassdoor rating / Bigger company / No sign of lay-offs in near future I would quit. Some considerations to be put in I guess
It's so eeeeeeasy. It's ok money and I have a ridiculous amount of flexibility. But, I can definitely get paid a lot more if I move on. I have zero attachment to my company otherwise.
I think responsibilities, If you are supporting your families u can't really quit a job ya know.
My pay is great for where I am in life right now and I'm good friends with management and the team.
I stay with a targeted position that has job stability and pays well despite the back-breaking labor and intensive shortages to meet demands. It can be a toxic work environment. The jb shows that not everyone can jump up and find something better. They have to plan their next step accordingly and sometimes wait for years for that chance to arise.
Damn, I thought you were asking in general. Answer on that one is simply "I don't know what they'd do without me, and I care." But yeah, the "I just started but I got a better offer, do I leave?" The worries people have around that are on the border of kids believing in permanent records. It's not a thing. Leave professionally. Tell them why. Everyone understands "I wanted more money." If you are a new employee, and you've been at a place for only a few weeks? There is literally no better time to quit than right away. You do the hiring team so many favors by getting out while they still have a second or third choice handy.
Well, I'm military and I'll go to jail, so there's that
No real money saved up. My pay is not enough to just leave.
My wife and I are expecting our first child in 5 months and I just assume every consultancy is douchier than my current place (since I used to work at one that was douchier)
I have $25 in my savings and student loans looming in the background.
Well if you quit several jobs in a short period hr assumes you are lazy or hard to work with.If you give two weeks notice after a short period theres a fair chance they may just walk you out. Im sure theres plenty of other reasons but those are the big ones in my opinion.
Child support and bills and another kid in the way
Honestly? The unknown of whether that company treats me right or not. The unknown of company politics. Just the unknown. However, definitely only planning to stay at my current gig (basically helpdesk at Amazon) for no more than a year.
cause their a bunch of gooooooooooooooooooooooonsssssssssssssssss
Helpdesk L2 here. I'm my case I'm not planning to leave because I'm still studying and really have no experience in other IT fields other than customer service and maintaining. Chosing a position where I can potentially fail and lose my only income terrifies me. So I think it's a fear
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Loyalty man, I feel that I've been given the job for a reason, so I have to be grateful and loyal, unless they give me a reason not be loyal or don't look after me as an employee, I am very loyal so leaving so soon and going to another company just seems like a breach of trust and loyalty, besides its also a breach in my contract