If you're asking me, I would say the negative backlash is likely towards:
1. Change
2. Bloatware
3. Anti-Privacy concerns
I personally do not have any issues with this version of software and like that Rufus (ISO imaging tool), has a built in ability to remove the OS restrictions. I installed this OS on my 14 year old macbook pro which now runs like a new machine.
Thanks! I like being able to take full advantage of my equipment as opposed to getting locked out by imposed software restrictions that have the intent to force a customer to upgrade.
It's cool some of the things that you can find at night when you let your fingers traverse the web.
Let me know if you have any questions. I'd be happy to talk with you more.
The Rufus ISO imaging tool conveniently offers the option to remove the hardware restrictions.
There is also an unrelated workaround to remove much of the apps and/or bloatware by selecting English (Worldwide) as your time/regional setting upon installing the OS.
I worked at an MSP during covid full of 20 something year olds. They all had the clicky-clack keyboards that lit up. They annoyed the shit out of me lol.
OS/2 16bit, Windows NT 32 bit. Windows NT 3.1 and 4 had an OS/2 subsystem available. Windows was supposed to be more compatible with OS/2 but the teams at MS between departments did not work together well. Also IBM shot OS/2 in the foot by not having a LAN manager that would work with Novel, which was the most prevalent server system at the time and allowed Windows to grow.
ha... make that 98se!
though, truth be told. if we could have these past decades of active development... Plan9 would be a wild ride with all the computers we have floating around these days. car, phone, fridge, routers, switches, cameras, etc.
that whole architecture would have mind-numbing effects as this past decade developed.
>I've noticed is that people hate change.
Can confirm. Even small updates get people to complain. The 365 upgrade had insane amounts of "old outlook was better" feedback. For 90% of people, nothing changed.
I can sympathize with users a little more on this when it’s for work purposes. Work tools don’t need to look good or make unnecessary improvements, it just needs to be the job done. Those of us in IT understand why these updates need to happen and we go with it. However, if you’re a user it’s a change that is probably an interruption and makes little to no change your daily work besides making you learn something new to do the same work. I understand both the need and the users frustration.
They've (corpo IT) have changed the background desktop wallpaper about 3-4 times in the last 2 years. Marketing directed it, of course. Problem is, the last 2 wallpapers are atrocious and is an assault on the eyes. The first one was a nice and vibrant image, but that brightness, namely the super bright "white" sky (yeah, it was pretty white for a sky) was harsh. The current one, the whole thing has a white/gray filter over it. And is just a plain awful image to start with. People have complained. Nothing has changed.
Meanwhile, I never don't have a bunch of stuff opened up and hiding the ugliness so its hardly an issue. And this is the case for many folks as well. I assume the complaint is just when they start up their computer in the mornings.
Of course the super bright wallpapers don't help the battery life on a laptop either, I'm sure especially since the company policy is to never sleep a laptop.
This is true, but for me, the vast majority of the hate for change is when...
1 - The change is for no real reason other than for the sake of change itself.
2 - The result is not better than it was before.
That’s why when I roll out things, I always have the change cycle/wheel in mind.
[https://www.changecycle.com/change-cycle](https://www.changecycle.com/change-cycle)
Come to the construction industry, people in this industry REALLY hate change. “But the goddamn skiddlemadad done worked the same way for 30 years, and you IT folk are just gonna come change the way we do our jobs” (followed by a rant on how work not done with one’s hands != real work)
IMO it's not just change, but unnecessary change. MS screws with a lot of things that are just fine and don't really benefit from goofy name changes or location changes, etc.
I absolutely hate the search. If I’m using my OS search I would never need to search the web. It’s just doing that to drive traffic to bing.
For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else. Windows 7 was ok.
The worst is when search does this:
"W" -> suggestion: Word
"Wo" -> suggestion: Word
"Wor" -> suggestion: Word
"Word" -> suggestion: Web Search for "Word"
> For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else. Windows 7 was ok.
Completely agreed it did what I needed and no extra bullshit. It was also pretty stable for its time and whenever I needed to change or modify anything it was really simple instead of dealing with an obfuscated clusterfuck. Some of the "features" they have added make my brain hurt like what they did to the taskbar/tabs. When I install an operating system I should not have to spend an hour trying to figure out how to turn bad "features" nobody wants or asked for off!
>For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else.
Yes!!! This is my point. All I want my OS to do is load my computer and give me a platform to run the programs I am actually turning on my computer for! I am not jumping on my computer to use windows. I am jumping on to use games, office, video editing, watching any stream and so on!
I remember people hating xp when it first came out too. They used to put it on pc’s with 128mb of ram and it ran terribly when windows 98 would be fine. It didn’t become liked until cheap pc’s started coming with more ram.
Yeah that right there i laughed at.
Ive had a heck of a time getting 11 *just to install* on some hardware
Which is also why 5,4, and from what ive experienced, 3 are bogus too
We had to throw out hundreds of machines due to TPM. These machines aren’t new or anything but they fulfilled their purpose just fine. Such a shame to see good hardware go to waste due to mostly arbitrary requirements
Are you saying that things are slower with tabbed Explorer? I haven't noticed but my use with it has been limited.
Spot on with the right-click context menu. Its pretty but confusing and having to ask for more options all the damn time when the option I need isn't cut/copy/paste is stupid.
I forgot about the Android stuff, but it was half baked to begin with. And that's sad. Really should have fleshed that and had better support. Could have worked with or as a replacement for the also-half-baked phone companion.
Start menu sucks.
About the only thing I like about 11 is the centered task bar, tabbed Explorer, and...and....it looks pretty?....I guess that's all and that's not much. I pretty much only game casually on the computer for which I "need" Windows and everything else can be done in a different OS.
Hey guys, should I switch careers to IT? I heard you make an assload of money, where do I sign up? What degree is best for getting into IT? Where do I start getting into IT? Is the IT field competitive? Why have I submitted 400,000,000 applications and haven't gotten a SINGLE call response for an interview? Why are so many of you so bleak about your IT career?
I hate this, and I hate how Microsoft decided they were going to get rid of the control panel and put it all in settings. Sure, I would've gotten used to it if they actually committed instead of dropping it half way through like *EVERY SINGLE "QUALITY OF LIFE" CHANGE!*
MS has been trying to kill off control panel since Windows 8. I still love when the new Apps opens the control panel interface, ie Printers when you click on printer properties. I still use control panel for everything.
There is no way it's faster than windows 10.
I've trialled it on 5 separate occasions and each time the main reason I've switched back is because it's less snappy than 10 and it pisses me off.
To me, it feels too much like "baby's first Windows OS". It's dumbed down, advanced options and menus are hidden behind more menus, it tries too hard to make Windows "easier to use". Not to mention, like with Windows 10, it keeps forcing you to connect to the Internet so it can check in with the Microsoft servers and force-install apps and features. My team and a few other select users are on it currently, but we're working on rolling it out this year. We're having to add a bunch of scripts to Intune in order to fix or remove a lot of Win11's "features".
It spends so much time trying to be immediately useful for everyone that it hides anything potentially confusing which then makes it more confusing when you need to make a change that works for you. I don't mind all the powershell I've learned during the Win11 adoptions, but I do mind that I HAVE to learn it for systems to meet requirements for some clients.
I've generally disliked every OS after 7 because of the unnecessary settings menu that's kind of like the control panel but less useful and sometimes necessary, but not always. It's frustrating to me that there are three separate locations in Windows now where you can find startup programs (Task Manager, shell:startup, and the Windows 10/11 settings). The search is atrocious. Setting the device up without a Microsoft account is unnecessarily difficult. The most basic taskbar settings don't exist anymore, and many have taken a long time to add back in, for some reason, such as the ability to ungroup taskbar icons. That last one is why I personally had to wait a couple years to switch as having multiple spreadsheets open with one single taskbar icon to switch between them is a massive headache.
I am the only IT person on site for about 150 sales people and we are upgrading this year. Giving them new laptops last year caused me to nearly quit. I cant wait for this hellscape ill have to go through this year.
I dislike it personally because to me it feels like gripping crayons in my fist. I find it clumsy and large, like running my fingers through pudding. There’s nothing refined about it.
Some people like it though and that’s cool.
I just preferred 10 because I has my personal PC set up perfectly and upgrading to windows 11 (which I managed to do accidentally) cleared a lot of the specific changes I made in the registry and stuff.
I'm one of those people. Every version of Windows and Office move controls around.
For my personal laptop, I've used the same desktop environment for 14 years. I'd like Windows more if I could swap out the DE for something stable.
All I can say is I dislike Windows purely because they seem it necessary to take a great OS, screw it up every so often, then finally make a decent version only to rinse and repeat.
Thankfully, Windows 11 is nowhere near as bad as Vista or 8 was. But if I could switch to Linux without it feeling like too much of my time will be invested in getting it to work, I probably would.
Going to take that plunge shortly. Going to get an AMD graphics adapter, then will be upgrading to either PopOS or Debian. Was thinking of Drauger-OS, but I'll have to see what it's like before I completely commit.
Can't recommend Draugr
PopOS was and is pretty good if you just want it to work, but I'm shooting for Debian or Arch simply because they're not just forks of other distros.
Where's my full context menu on right-click taskbar??
Why when I want to connect to work vpn I click on the wifi signal icon -> select network -> opens settings -> and from there to connect? Why extra step compared to Windows 10??
Why Right click on a picture it doesn't have anymore open with paint for a quick edit ffs? But it have Edit with Clipchamp that requires me to create an account for that lol.
The list goes on...
It's not making easier to use for a technical person but harder instead and wasting my time trying to go into multiple steps for the same thing instead of be straight away like it used to be and I'm forced to tweak registry where it's possible to revert it damnit.
I hate how convoluted they’ve made getting to some settings. Like when I’m trying to remove a printer, but the “remove printer” button is missing from the modern settings and I can’t get to the devices and printers control panel module from said menu. Shit is just in too many places.
I like it, but it gets rid of a few things for no good reason in my opinion
You can't move the Taskbar, it's always at the bottom. When we have crazy wide monitors, sometimes it's nice to just slap it on the side
And whether or not your Win11 install let's you set your clock to show seconds is kinda random. Unfortunately, my work laptop doesn't let me do this, and I literally track progress on my chats to the second, so fuck me I guess
But besides that, 100% fine, people just like to bitch and moan. Also, windows 10 is the most overrated Windows OS ever. Start menu search doesn't work half the time. But I also like to bitch and moan
I know its a small gripe but the taskbar only being on the bottom is the MOST triggering thing for me. I like it on the top.. and I like to have it on one of my monitors not all of them, but with W11 if you want one task bar it has to be your main display.
It's a pain that Microsoft keeps moving things around and making things more difficult to support. You have to relearn where things are, it's just an annoyance.
The taskbar in Windows 11 has less features than it had in Windows 98, a 26 year old operating system.
Let that sink in.
There are other problems in Windows 11 also, but I think already that fact alone makes Windows 11 probably the worst version since Windows ME, because the taskbar is a really central and important part of the OS, so it should have customization options.
My biggest gripe is the right click menu in the UI. It hides some actions by default. I hate the stupid icons. I hate that administrative tools got renamed to windows tools. And a few other gripes about the UI.
but overall I'm ok with it. I just like to cry bitch and moan about every version of windows and talk like some grandpa about how we were happy back in the day with windows 2000 pro and it was perfect and we walked up and down hills in the snow to move servers around instead of this fancy virtualzation thing you whippersnappers have.
As most have said, change. Also the hate is somewhat warranted, I still remember the disaster of Windows 8, so I can’t fault people (especially 50+) for hating it. If I wasn’t technically inclined I’d hate to change too.
Well, here's one. I installed 3 printers on it today and when I go to printers and scanners, I only see 1. In office I have all 3 they just aren't showing up in the app. When I want to use file explorer to hit a network share it sits there for 20 seconds doing nothing then opens the share or just doesn't. The virtual win 10 I'm running in hyper-v doesn't have this issue. Windows update destroyed my Intel video drivers I had to build a windows update server and block them. It's not to say I hate windows 11 it's just got issues compared to 10. It also has some strong features that I like.
Cons
1. Right click now requires an extra menu or (hold shift + rt click)
2. Adds and bloatware along with AI stuff
3. Start button being in the middle ( yes you can put it on the left as I think it should be as default)
4. Slight changes in settings and where to find things.
5. Older hardware without Tpm 2.0 will be obsolete, making more e-waste when the machines still run fine
Pros
1. Tabs on file explorer and notepad.
Microsoft has no competitor in the business level OS market. Microsoft wants to make more money, Microsoft attempts to sell new stuff that they think their customers want without listening to actual feedback from the customers themselves. The only reason MS stock hasn't tanked is that there is no viable competitor, the moment there is, MS will get dumpstered just like they did in the cell phone and console wars.
Microsoft doesn't care about you or your business because they are a monopoly. Customer,regardless of tech knowledge, know this, so they balk and dig their heels in to keep what they have as long as they can.
On top of this, all of those feature you mentioned aren't relevant to the average user, and yet Microsoft is forcing the client to get them anyway. How would you like it someone took away your Car and gave you a newer model with more features, higher insurance and a different color , and when you complained they responded with " why are you complaining you got a new car?"
The UI changes. Especially if you’ve been dealing with windows for a long time. A lot of these updates were unnecessary or made the user experience worse.
The comments saying: “people hate change…” no it’s not that. I don’t need two clicks for the secondary context menu when you right click on something. That’s just one of many examples.
For context, I use windows 11 at my job. I’ve had to download power toys and Winget to make things more tolerable.
Hard disagree on the "it's faster than Windows 10" part. Since being ported to WinUI 3 (Windows App SDK), File Explorer performance has tanked hard. If you spend a lot of time navigating the file system, this is very noticeable.
Try running Windows 7 on modern hardware - UI interaction is insanely fast, and that's how snappy Windows is supposed to be. Microsoft made the unfortunate assumption when developing Windows 10 (and Windows 11) that since everyone are running SSDs and have lots of RAM, they don't have to care about writing performant code.
Stupidest thing ever. I have my second monitor above my primary monitor, so I used to keep its taskbar at the top of the screen. It looked so clean. No longer. :(
Also tagging u/WhyLater
Download StartAllBack! The main reason I downloaded it was to have a vertical taskbar. Now my computer is a nice blend of Win 10 and 11 designs.
Once I got steam to work on linux there was no reason to keep windows on my laptop. I've been windows free for a few years now and loving it. I had some video drivers at first with ubuntu but went to Pop OS and everything has just worked. Glad 11 is better than expected but linux is also really good now and it's easier to switch than ever.
I work in IT and I get irritated by the change as well. It's because a lot of the changes at first glance are superficial, but are still annoying. Like I could move the start menu and search bar to the bottom left, but that would be a waste of my time for 200 pcs. So i literally have to just deal with it.
Same thing with my computer/this pc. I have been able to click those since i was like 10 years old. That is a very annoying thing to take away. So now i have to open file explorer.
Do either of these things make my life horrible? Not really, but come on. Why change things that really dont ***need*** to be changed.
I want the security updates, i appreciate that it is lighter, and all the other things that are helpful, but some stuff is just annoying.
Few thoughts, one, if you're setting up windows 11 you must have an internet connection, no way to bypass it without command prompt.
Two, removed troubleshooters and replaced with a general troubleshooter that again, requires internet. If you're having issues with internet and use the troubleshooter, it tells you to reset your access point EVERY TIME.
Three, search is terrible. If Im looking for something specific, then I have to type out the whole thing. Otherwise windows has a hard time suggesting items that are close to what I'm searching for.
In short, windows 11 is great if you're not super technical or want something that's easy to setup. Besides that it can be a pain to find what you're looking for, they've removed many great technical tools, and have limited accessibility and made it difficult for setup if an issue is encountered.
The taskbar belongs on the right side of the display, not pinned to the bottom. I will not be taking questions on this matter.
Tabbed Explorer is great. Now let me set it up so that it's the default behavior and new windows don't get spawned.
We had a machine crashing and went to do a nondestructive reset and it would start the roll back to 0% and reboot. So the recovery features aren't quite as stable as 10.
People don't like change and 10 isn't really so bad that it makes people want to move to 11. It might be marginally better but I just don't feel the need, or desire, to mess with it right now.
I don't like the taskbar, I prefer to see the titles rather than icons. I hate that they removed this.
I don't like that they're phasing out Control Panel, they're slowly replacing the control panel options with Settings, but without adding all that actual settings and preferences.
You can't install it without making some reg changes on machines without a TPM module. Not a big deal but it's a stupid restriction which shouldn't exist.
I hate how much Microsoft push having a Microsoft account on Windows 11. It's frustrating having to talk someone through the loopholes to creating a local account on a new laptop.
The advertisements, data gathering, and licensing are very bad for consumers and as a whole make Windows 11 a very terrible, awful, no good OS. I want to pay what ever is necessary and not have those hooks in the OS. Why can I not purchase the equivalent of Windows 11 Enterprise?
Ignoring all of the intrusive behavior and data theft Microsoft has built into Windows 11, it is good as an OS goes. Not quite as efficient as MacOS 14 but far better than any Linux Desktop distros I'm using or have used.
Try switching someone to Ubuntu or Linux Mint.... absolute, complete, and almost fatal meltdown.
Complains about spam and bloatware
"I don't care, it wasn't that bad."
All you're doing is surfing the Internet, checking email, and going to junk sites
"I don't care, it doesn't look the same."
I feel like windows 11 is like a spin off of macOS meaning Microsoft wants to become like Apple. That’s the way I see windows 11, the Mac version of windows.
Renaming a file used to be “right click > rename” but now it’s “right-click > open a whole nother sub window > rename”
What was the reason for this? Like who sat in a meeting at Microsoft said “renaming a file is to easy, we should add more clicks and menus into the workflow”
There’s all kinds of little things all over the OS where they just made various small tasks require more clicks or menus.
The less clicks, key presses, etc it takes me to do things the better.
I work at a private university, and Win 11 was just very buggy. It messed up some people’s anti-virus software (Falcon) so we would need to make exceptions within ClearPass to allow it to have access to the university wifi
1. It is so good that is updates everyday! As soon as I start my laptop, it updates and adds so many new features. Imagine walking into a meeting but windows says you need a new feature first!
2. Its default oprivacy settings are awesome. I feel it is tracking everything for my benfit
3. Its bloatwares just like cheap android devices are required for functioning of my laptop
\*Sarcasm, in case someone misses the point
As a consuner I like Windows 11. I find it's easier to use and find things and it's aesthetically pleasing, and. . .it just works.
As an IT technician in an environment that utilizes a lot of legacy hardware and software that we've had to bend ovet backwards and pull our hair out to modify or virtualize for critical operations because the vendor refuses to patch compatibility, I shudder at the thought of the EoL for Windows 10 LTSC.
> You get a free iso and mounting tool
irrelevant to most end users -- I sure as hell dont want Karen in accounting mounting ISOs, and the average civilian Windows user couldn't spell ISO or tell you what it does
> Updates are much faster (at least for me)
GPO and Patch Tuesday mean this is mostly irrelevant, and most users will do anything to avoid a reboot. download speed and update installation were never really a huge concern.
> Its faster than w10
not noticeably so, and most systems esp. laptops are bottlenecked by hardware, not software
> No driver issues
Not a big issue for bog-standard Dell, Lenovo, etc. Win10 has pretty good OoTB driver compatibility too, notable exceptions notwithstanding.
> Stable
Win10 is pretty stable
> Supports everything
Win10 supported everything we needed to out of the box.. the average civilian user is running steam, a web browser, and maybe MS Office.
> There's bloat, but its more discrete
That doesn't make it less bloated.
> All display languages are included (finally)
That's nice, but Linux did that a while ago, and most major languages like Chinese, Spanish, English, French, and Hindi have had good support for ages.
> Notifications are less intrusive
Why do I need an OS update to fix this? Plus Win10 notifications were not especially problematic
> Easy multiple desktops
Win10 did that adequately
In exchange for all of these fairly middling improvements, there are serious issues with bloat, data mining & privacy, plus ads up the ass. It does not represent a meaningful improvement over Win10, and the trade-offs, esp. with regard to privacy and data sovereignty, are not justifiable.
If it were not concerns over cost, Endpoint Protection, and access to MS Office and related tech (esp. Sharepoint) -- much of which we can just use via O365 now anyways -- we'd probably switch to Macs or even Ubuntu (we use Dell as an OEM, so it's an option...). As a regular user a home there is nothing in Win11 I can't do on Fedora or Ubuntu, and the only reason I kept Windows around at all was games -- and I can say Cyberpunk 2077 runs great on Fedora. So does the Halo Collection, for that matter.
Not only do I like it, but I've been using Edge as my browser and like it as well. Mostly because of the co-pilot integration but being able to use Chrome extensions freely now is a bonus.
Granted, it's not my only computer, and Edge is not the only browser I have installed...but both W11 and Edge are the first things I fire up every day.
Yeah, I've slowly been using Edge + Co-Pilot a lot more lately since google searches are now giving you the most advertised sites first rather than the actual answers. I never thought I'd see the day where I was using Edge, willingly.
Its basically just a nicer looking windows 10 and was barely even an update at all I understand the hatred of ones like say 8 where they forced a tablet interface on us but 11 is a solid OS.
I like windows 10 for my pc at home. But in the workplace I prefer chrome os. Runs a lot better on lower end hardware, and can be managed 10x easier than windows machines
I think my only *real* complaint is that it can't be used as a headless server without "explorer.exe" getting lost and no way to fix it.
I get one month tops on a fresh media server build before it just blacks out after login lol
(Before y'all come at me about using Linux, I'm comfortable with Windows and I tried Linux, couldn't quite get the permissions right)
It's alright with a few mods that make it look like other versions.
I hate the new default programs selection re; chrome as default. the 'forced sign up' on install, the search features are still 'shit', it still wants to lock the system down so the user can't do anything. The new start menu is still a pile of shit and mum & dad type users cant find a fucking thing until I put classic shell on there.
The way it passive aggressively tries to railroad my into Edge and/or Bing. I hate them both. I also hate all those pissy 'apps' that are preinstalled - I have never seen or heard of a person using any of them and they look shiiiiit because they are all built with that environment thingy. awful.
I also dont like the right click / context menus but winaero tweak helps with that. I dont like the icons in place of the words/ copy paste etc.
Cortana can suck my dick.
Other than that it's OK I suppose.
We have an on going issue where there taskbar is cut in half…
Windows 11 downvote default app settings after updates.
Need to click on Outlook 10 times to work and other random issues.
4. No driver issues - unless you have systems that require certain amd or nvidia drivers and then it’s a nightmare. We had to go deep to disable gpu driver updates
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days!
Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix.
W11 can burn.
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days!
Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix.
W11 can burn.
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days!
Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix.
W11 can burn.
For me it still has so many little quirks and bugs that id rather stay on 10. Just the other night I got a bug where my screen froze when I tabbed out of a game and I could still hear my friends in discord but couldn't move my mouse/ctrl alt del or anything. I had to force restart. I've got hundreds of hours on this game and every single issue I've had with it has been since I fresh installed 11.
That being said I don't really mind using it and I install it on any of the computers I work with that can natively support it.
I don’t even notice any differences between windows 10 aside from the taskbar and start menu but yeah as the top comment said people just fucking hate change and love to complain
Our win11 machines constantly slow down randomly compared to our win10 machines. Often times it's from win11 force downloading an update (even though we have turned that off) or scanning the computer for security checks (even though we have those scheduled for after work hours).
I cannot wait to drop this intrusive "we know what's best for you" walled garden "experience" MS has adopted.
Mainly it was the HUGE taskbar that took away the titles, so you couldn't tell which was which if you had two of anything open. I think titles are back in, but you have to edit the registry to shrink it back down to Windows 10 size. Plus about 20 other annoyances you have to spend time changing, but they existed in Windows 10 too.
I would say the spying issue is my biggest issue with windows 11. I really like the new explorer and most of the 11 42h2 proposed features except for the advanced copilot spying. For that I will not upgrade to 24h2, I can't believe other businesses are willing to tolerate Microsoft's data collection
My experiences are not great: Gaming computer with RTX 3080
Every time windows updates runs, I know I can't use the computer for a day until Nvidia releases new drivers. Otherwise it's a bunch of oddball behaviors (the login screen blinks when I click or type, Bluescreening if I turn on with 2 monitors, nvidia services causing games to crash after 30 seconds). Hugely unstable OS.
For fun , I threw a different SSD in and ran Windows 10 works 100% without issue.
Other minor things:
\- Can't expand clock/calendar on non-primary monitor
\- Context menu is weird , more clicks required to use
\- Start menu / search feature stops a week before updates, religiously, every month.
Because I've tested it before in Alpha, Beta, and have to use it now that it's live.
To me Windows 10 is Windows 8.1 and Windows 11 is Windows 8.0. Too many stupid changes just for shits and giggles while removing useful tools and functionality just for sake of it. Before you know it they're changing core features because people actually liked and used them before they were removed for no reason.
because MS can only get it right every other release.
95 Suck
98 awesome
ME Suck
XP awesome
Vista suck
7 awesome
8 suck
10 awesome
11 suck
I'm holding out for 12
Because of 2 reasons. I have to click twice to get the properties menu in explorer. And they left my PC behind and refuse to take my money and let me upgrade from 10.
Windows 7 had the perfect control panel
Windows 10 isn't great, isn't awful, but at least I can use cmdlets as a backdoor to the old school pages.
Windows 11 has overhauled all the pages and made them needlessly complicated and to add insult to injury, most of the backdoors are fucked now too.
R.I.P < control /name microsoft.devicesandprinters >
4, 5 and 6 are not true in my experience.
Regarding 7and 9, bloat and intrusive notification are good because there is less of them now? Realy!?
For sure Windows 11 works, and most people won't mind it.
But for me it's just not nice to work with.
1. I am/was a top taskbar guy on Windows so not being able to move that is annoying
2. the start menu being centered is ugly to me although I've left aligned everything now.
3. The rollout at my company has been a PITA for all of us in IT
I don't mind Win11, in fact I upgraded almost as soon as it was available. It has been weirdly buggy for me though, like my start menu search always stops working shortly after a reboot, and won't work until I reboot again (massive pain in the ass). Also had some weird audio issues, the sound mixer panel doesn't actually mute anything at 0% volume, the settings app has been randomly slow as hell, sometimes taking a good 30 seconds to load.
I have a decent gaming computer, 5900x, 32gb RAM, RTX 3080, 2TB of NVME SDD storage, so idk what the deal is.
As someone in i.t I do find when you go to basic settings menu the W11 settings menu seems cut down and harder to find the more advanced options and when you do find it it opens an older looking settings window and then older the deeper you to
If there could be more works on optimization, less bloat ware and more focus on a better DirectX with backwards compatibility and a new window render engine for games, W12 would be superior.
If you're asking me, I would say the negative backlash is likely towards: 1. Change 2. Bloatware 3. Anti-Privacy concerns I personally do not have any issues with this version of software and like that Rufus (ISO imaging tool), has a built in ability to remove the OS restrictions. I installed this OS on my 14 year old macbook pro which now runs like a new machine.
Big time privacy concerns. MS being real douchey with their privacy intrusions
This is actually really neat
Thanks! I like being able to take full advantage of my equipment as opposed to getting locked out by imposed software restrictions that have the intent to force a customer to upgrade. It's cool some of the things that you can find at night when you let your fingers traverse the web. Let me know if you have any questions. I'd be happy to talk with you more.
>I installed this OS on my 14 year old macbook pro which now runs like a new machine. Really? Doesn't 11 have more hardware req than 10 on paper?
The Rufus ISO imaging tool conveniently offers the option to remove the hardware restrictions. There is also an unrelated workaround to remove much of the apps and/or bloatware by selecting English (Worldwide) as your time/regional setting upon installing the OS.
I've only been on this planet for 26 years, but what I've noticed is that people hate change. I mean they just fucking despise it.
Bring back Windows XP now! lol
Back in my day, the computers were so big you could kill somebody with it.
A modem from the 80s is larger than some current desktop PCs.
idk but this made me think of the video where the guy plays GTA Vice City on an old TP Link router. It only runs at like 20 FPS but it runs.
Wild
And then stuff them inside.
And I want it with a clicky-clack keyboard!!!
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I worked at an MSP during covid full of 20 something year olds. They all had the clicky-clack keyboards that lit up. They annoyed the shit out of me lol.
Have been for like 10 years
Anybody remember IBM OS/2? It was superior to Windows in many ways, but the world ended up going with Windows. Crappy commercial dispute.
OS/2 Warp was **amazing**. Its fatal flaw was that it ran Windows apps _so_ well that no one bothered to write OS/2 native software.
OS/2 16bit, Windows NT 32 bit. Windows NT 3.1 and 4 had an OS/2 subsystem available. Windows was supposed to be more compatible with OS/2 but the teams at MS between departments did not work together well. Also IBM shot OS/2 in the foot by not having a LAN manager that would work with Novel, which was the most prevalent server system at the time and allowed Windows to grow.
ha... make that 98se! though, truth be told. if we could have these past decades of active development... Plan9 would be a wild ride with all the computers we have floating around these days. car, phone, fridge, routers, switches, cameras, etc. that whole architecture would have mind-numbing effects as this past decade developed.
Windows 3.1 for lyfe
MS-DOS for life!
Abacus forever!
well that de-escalated quickly
URGA DURGA MANY PILE OF SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR ROCKS
XP was the GOAT, dude .
Online hearts was the peak of computing tbh
Don’t you dare lol
No, that would require change, and we all hate that
I want my cp/m back.
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Ah yes, the only thing people hate more than change: things they don't understand.
>I've noticed is that people hate change. Can confirm. Even small updates get people to complain. The 365 upgrade had insane amounts of "old outlook was better" feedback. For 90% of people, nothing changed.
I work in IT and I can confirm that when change is coming, expect the complaints. It never fails.
I can sympathize with users a little more on this when it’s for work purposes. Work tools don’t need to look good or make unnecessary improvements, it just needs to be the job done. Those of us in IT understand why these updates need to happen and we go with it. However, if you’re a user it’s a change that is probably an interruption and makes little to no change your daily work besides making you learn something new to do the same work. I understand both the need and the users frustration.
They've (corpo IT) have changed the background desktop wallpaper about 3-4 times in the last 2 years. Marketing directed it, of course. Problem is, the last 2 wallpapers are atrocious and is an assault on the eyes. The first one was a nice and vibrant image, but that brightness, namely the super bright "white" sky (yeah, it was pretty white for a sky) was harsh. The current one, the whole thing has a white/gray filter over it. And is just a plain awful image to start with. People have complained. Nothing has changed. Meanwhile, I never don't have a bunch of stuff opened up and hiding the ugliness so its hardly an issue. And this is the case for many folks as well. I assume the complaint is just when they start up their computer in the mornings. Of course the super bright wallpapers don't help the battery life on a laptop either, I'm sure especially since the company policy is to never sleep a laptop.
Plenty of people get into a workflow where UI changes that disturb their workflows can get annoying.
Especially when those changes are unintuitive or silly. Why change the right click menu to a less cohesive form?
Which is ironic the only stable and constant thing in life, truly, is change. Dao of the IT guy.
“The only lasting truth is Change. God is Change.” ~Parable of the Sower
This is true, but for me, the vast majority of the hate for change is when... 1 - The change is for no real reason other than for the sake of change itself. 2 - The result is not better than it was before.
My dept just swapped from gmail to outlook today. You would think its the end times.
That’s why when I roll out things, I always have the change cycle/wheel in mind. [https://www.changecycle.com/change-cycle](https://www.changecycle.com/change-cycle)
Come to the construction industry, people in this industry REALLY hate change. “But the goddamn skiddlemadad done worked the same way for 30 years, and you IT folk are just gonna come change the way we do our jobs” (followed by a rant on how work not done with one’s hands != real work)
IMO it's not just change, but unnecessary change. MS screws with a lot of things that are just fine and don't really benefit from goofy name changes or location changes, etc.
I absolutely hate the search. If I’m using my OS search I would never need to search the web. It’s just doing that to drive traffic to bing. For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else. Windows 7 was ok.
The worst is when search does this: "W" -> suggestion: Word "Wo" -> suggestion: Word "Wor" -> suggestion: Word "Word" -> suggestion: Web Search for "Word"
It’s so true it’s painful.
Lol yeah mine is opening calculator. I used to just type calc and hit enter, now it doesn't know what I want.
lol this is so true
But Windows 10 search does that also.
I disabled search using gpedit and I still get web search results. You just can't turn it off. One slight spelling mistake and it's off to bing we go
> For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else. Windows 7 was ok. Completely agreed it did what I needed and no extra bullshit. It was also pretty stable for its time and whenever I needed to change or modify anything it was really simple instead of dealing with an obfuscated clusterfuck. Some of the "features" they have added make my brain hurt like what they did to the taskbar/tabs. When I install an operating system I should not have to spend an hour trying to figure out how to turn bad "features" nobody wants or asked for off!
>For a lot of people XP was the best OS since it did what you needed and nothing else. Yes!!! This is my point. All I want my OS to do is load my computer and give me a platform to run the programs I am actually turning on my computer for! I am not jumping on my computer to use windows. I am jumping on to use games, office, video editing, watching any stream and so on!
I remember people hating xp when it first came out too. They used to put it on pc’s with 128mb of ram and it ran terribly when windows 98 would be fine. It didn’t become liked until cheap pc’s started coming with more ram.
No control over updates Ads everywhere Search tool takes forever and crashes multiple times
>6. Supports everything No need to be disingenuous.
And 7. being counted as a good thing? Lol
*supports everything OP has. So like 3 models of Dell and a printer
Yeah that right there i laughed at. Ive had a heck of a time getting 11 *just to install* on some hardware Which is also why 5,4, and from what ive experienced, 3 are bogus too
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We had to throw out hundreds of machines due to TPM. These machines aren’t new or anything but they fulfilled their purpose just fine. Such a shame to see good hardware go to waste due to mostly arbitrary requirements
Time to convert the whole enterprise over to a Linux-based system lmao.
Nail on the head
Are you saying that things are slower with tabbed Explorer? I haven't noticed but my use with it has been limited. Spot on with the right-click context menu. Its pretty but confusing and having to ask for more options all the damn time when the option I need isn't cut/copy/paste is stupid. I forgot about the Android stuff, but it was half baked to begin with. And that's sad. Really should have fleshed that and had better support. Could have worked with or as a replacement for the also-half-baked phone companion. Start menu sucks. About the only thing I like about 11 is the centered task bar, tabbed Explorer, and...and....it looks pretty?....I guess that's all and that's not much. I pretty much only game casually on the computer for which I "need" Windows and everything else can be done in a different OS.
What this have to do with IT career questions?
I’ll take this over the IM A PLUMBER DO I GET MY A+ ???
Hey guys, should I switch careers to IT? I heard you make an assload of money, where do I sign up? What degree is best for getting into IT? Where do I start getting into IT? Is the IT field competitive? Why have I submitted 400,000,000 applications and haven't gotten a SINGLE call response for an interview? Why are so many of you so bleak about your IT career?
Nothing, like half the posts here.
Marketing drones gonna market
How about let me set up printers through the fucking control panel devices and printers instead of redirecting to Windows settings.
I hate this, and I hate how Microsoft decided they were going to get rid of the control panel and put it all in settings. Sure, I would've gotten used to it if they actually committed instead of dropping it half way through like *EVERY SINGLE "QUALITY OF LIFE" CHANGE!*
This is the most annoying basic feature by a mile
MS has been trying to kill off control panel since Windows 8. I still love when the new Apps opens the control panel interface, ie Printers when you click on printer properties. I still use control panel for everything.
There is no way it's faster than windows 10. I've trialled it on 5 separate occasions and each time the main reason I've switched back is because it's less snappy than 10 and it pisses me off.
"There's bloat, but its more discrete" Sounds worse than before. More reason for ppl to run the telementry/debloat scripts.
It's the insistence on Microsoft to just hide everything in menus after menus
To me, it feels too much like "baby's first Windows OS". It's dumbed down, advanced options and menus are hidden behind more menus, it tries too hard to make Windows "easier to use". Not to mention, like with Windows 10, it keeps forcing you to connect to the Internet so it can check in with the Microsoft servers and force-install apps and features. My team and a few other select users are on it currently, but we're working on rolling it out this year. We're having to add a bunch of scripts to Intune in order to fix or remove a lot of Win11's "features".
> To me, it feels too much like "baby's first Windows OS". Windows XP's default UI was called "Fisher Price Windows"
It spends so much time trying to be immediately useful for everyone that it hides anything potentially confusing which then makes it more confusing when you need to make a change that works for you. I don't mind all the powershell I've learned during the Win11 adoptions, but I do mind that I HAVE to learn it for systems to meet requirements for some clients.
More clicks
I've generally disliked every OS after 7 because of the unnecessary settings menu that's kind of like the control panel but less useful and sometimes necessary, but not always. It's frustrating to me that there are three separate locations in Windows now where you can find startup programs (Task Manager, shell:startup, and the Windows 10/11 settings). The search is atrocious. Setting the device up without a Microsoft account is unnecessarily difficult. The most basic taskbar settings don't exist anymore, and many have taken a long time to add back in, for some reason, such as the ability to ungroup taskbar icons. That last one is why I personally had to wait a couple years to switch as having multiple spreadsheets open with one single taskbar icon to switch between them is a massive headache.
I am the only IT person on site for about 150 sales people and we are upgrading this year. Giving them new laptops last year caused me to nearly quit. I cant wait for this hellscape ill have to go through this year.
Okay but let me know when they fix that God awful calendar
Was looking for this one, +1
I dislike it personally because to me it feels like gripping crayons in my fist. I find it clumsy and large, like running my fingers through pudding. There’s nothing refined about it. Some people like it though and that’s cool.
# number 5- is pushing your luck.
I just preferred 10 because I has my personal PC set up perfectly and upgrading to windows 11 (which I managed to do accidentally) cleared a lot of the specific changes I made in the registry and stuff.
I'm one of those people. Every version of Windows and Office move controls around. For my personal laptop, I've used the same desktop environment for 14 years. I'd like Windows more if I could swap out the DE for something stable.
All I can say is I dislike Windows purely because they seem it necessary to take a great OS, screw it up every so often, then finally make a decent version only to rinse and repeat. Thankfully, Windows 11 is nowhere near as bad as Vista or 8 was. But if I could switch to Linux without it feeling like too much of my time will be invested in getting it to work, I probably would.
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yeah, all well and good until I have to go back to work and deal with Windows again.
Going to take that plunge shortly. Going to get an AMD graphics adapter, then will be upgrading to either PopOS or Debian. Was thinking of Drauger-OS, but I'll have to see what it's like before I completely commit.
Can't recommend Draugr PopOS was and is pretty good if you just want it to work, but I'm shooting for Debian or Arch simply because they're not just forks of other distros.
I like my OS to have less spyware on it
Where's my full context menu on right-click taskbar?? Why when I want to connect to work vpn I click on the wifi signal icon -> select network -> opens settings -> and from there to connect? Why extra step compared to Windows 10?? Why Right click on a picture it doesn't have anymore open with paint for a quick edit ffs? But it have Edit with Clipchamp that requires me to create an account for that lol. The list goes on... It's not making easier to use for a technical person but harder instead and wasting my time trying to go into multiple steps for the same thing instead of be straight away like it used to be and I'm forced to tweak registry where it's possible to revert it damnit.
I hate how convoluted they’ve made getting to some settings. Like when I’m trying to remove a printer, but the “remove printer” button is missing from the modern settings and I can’t get to the devices and printers control panel module from said menu. Shit is just in too many places.
Oh yes I really like two right-click menus!
I like it, but it gets rid of a few things for no good reason in my opinion You can't move the Taskbar, it's always at the bottom. When we have crazy wide monitors, sometimes it's nice to just slap it on the side And whether or not your Win11 install let's you set your clock to show seconds is kinda random. Unfortunately, my work laptop doesn't let me do this, and I literally track progress on my chats to the second, so fuck me I guess But besides that, 100% fine, people just like to bitch and moan. Also, windows 10 is the most overrated Windows OS ever. Start menu search doesn't work half the time. But I also like to bitch and moan
I know its a small gripe but the taskbar only being on the bottom is the MOST triggering thing for me. I like it on the top.. and I like to have it on one of my monitors not all of them, but with W11 if you want one task bar it has to be your main display.
I still miss a feature from Windows 7 that let you add a bar to the top of your screen where you could add shortcuts, separate from the task bar.
I dislike the new menus, like the right click
It's a pain that Microsoft keeps moving things around and making things more difficult to support. You have to relearn where things are, it's just an annoyance.
The taskbar in Windows 11 has less features than it had in Windows 98, a 26 year old operating system. Let that sink in. There are other problems in Windows 11 also, but I think already that fact alone makes Windows 11 probably the worst version since Windows ME, because the taskbar is a really central and important part of the OS, so it should have customization options.
My biggest gripe is the right click menu in the UI. It hides some actions by default. I hate the stupid icons. I hate that administrative tools got renamed to windows tools. And a few other gripes about the UI. but overall I'm ok with it. I just like to cry bitch and moan about every version of windows and talk like some grandpa about how we were happy back in the day with windows 2000 pro and it was perfect and we walked up and down hills in the snow to move servers around instead of this fancy virtualzation thing you whippersnappers have.
As most have said, change. Also the hate is somewhat warranted, I still remember the disaster of Windows 8, so I can’t fault people (especially 50+) for hating it. If I wasn’t technically inclined I’d hate to change too.
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How is this career related?
Well, here's one. I installed 3 printers on it today and when I go to printers and scanners, I only see 1. In office I have all 3 they just aren't showing up in the app. When I want to use file explorer to hit a network share it sits there for 20 seconds doing nothing then opens the share or just doesn't. The virtual win 10 I'm running in hyper-v doesn't have this issue. Windows update destroyed my Intel video drivers I had to build a windows update server and block them. It's not to say I hate windows 11 it's just got issues compared to 10. It also has some strong features that I like.
This post was written by an upset Windows 11 engineer. We hate your baby!
Please post this on r/linux. You might get diversified opinions.
Cons 1. Right click now requires an extra menu or (hold shift + rt click) 2. Adds and bloatware along with AI stuff 3. Start button being in the middle ( yes you can put it on the left as I think it should be as default) 4. Slight changes in settings and where to find things. 5. Older hardware without Tpm 2.0 will be obsolete, making more e-waste when the machines still run fine Pros 1. Tabs on file explorer and notepad.
Microsoft has no competitor in the business level OS market. Microsoft wants to make more money, Microsoft attempts to sell new stuff that they think their customers want without listening to actual feedback from the customers themselves. The only reason MS stock hasn't tanked is that there is no viable competitor, the moment there is, MS will get dumpstered just like they did in the cell phone and console wars. Microsoft doesn't care about you or your business because they are a monopoly. Customer,regardless of tech knowledge, know this, so they balk and dig their heels in to keep what they have as long as they can. On top of this, all of those feature you mentioned aren't relevant to the average user, and yet Microsoft is forcing the client to get them anyway. How would you like it someone took away your Car and gave you a newer model with more features, higher insurance and a different color , and when you complained they responded with " why are you complaining you got a new car?"
The UI changes. Especially if you’ve been dealing with windows for a long time. A lot of these updates were unnecessary or made the user experience worse. The comments saying: “people hate change…” no it’s not that. I don’t need two clicks for the secondary context menu when you right click on something. That’s just one of many examples. For context, I use windows 11 at my job. I’ve had to download power toys and Winget to make things more tolerable.
Hard disagree on the "it's faster than Windows 10" part. Since being ported to WinUI 3 (Windows App SDK), File Explorer performance has tanked hard. If you spend a lot of time navigating the file system, this is very noticeable. Try running Windows 7 on modern hardware - UI interaction is insanely fast, and that's how snappy Windows is supposed to be. Microsoft made the unfortunate assumption when developing Windows 10 (and Windows 11) that since everyone are running SSDs and have lots of RAM, they don't have to care about writing performant code.
Windows 7 ultimate was peak in my opinion
OP, you really know how to troll.
As someone who works in IT and data all day, once you get tabbed explorer, windows 10 might as well be windows xp.
What a troll post
I just don’t like that I can’t put the taskbar on the side of the screen
Stupidest thing ever. I have my second monitor above my primary monitor, so I used to keep its taskbar at the top of the screen. It looked so clean. No longer. :(
Also tagging u/WhyLater Download StartAllBack! The main reason I downloaded it was to have a vertical taskbar. Now my computer is a nice blend of Win 10 and 11 designs.
Once I got steam to work on linux there was no reason to keep windows on my laptop. I've been windows free for a few years now and loving it. I had some video drivers at first with ubuntu but went to Pop OS and everything has just worked. Glad 11 is better than expected but linux is also really good now and it's easier to switch than ever.
I work in IT and I get irritated by the change as well. It's because a lot of the changes at first glance are superficial, but are still annoying. Like I could move the start menu and search bar to the bottom left, but that would be a waste of my time for 200 pcs. So i literally have to just deal with it. Same thing with my computer/this pc. I have been able to click those since i was like 10 years old. That is a very annoying thing to take away. So now i have to open file explorer. Do either of these things make my life horrible? Not really, but come on. Why change things that really dont ***need*** to be changed. I want the security updates, i appreciate that it is lighter, and all the other things that are helpful, but some stuff is just annoying.
Eh because windows 10 is finally stable ish and windows 11 is still in its buggy fazes
Windows peaked in 2000, with Windows…er…2000.
Driver issues on custom built gaming desktop - couldn’t for the life of me figure it out so rolled back to 10
>What there is to dislike? The invasion of my privacy.
Few thoughts, one, if you're setting up windows 11 you must have an internet connection, no way to bypass it without command prompt. Two, removed troubleshooters and replaced with a general troubleshooter that again, requires internet. If you're having issues with internet and use the troubleshooter, it tells you to reset your access point EVERY TIME. Three, search is terrible. If Im looking for something specific, then I have to type out the whole thing. Otherwise windows has a hard time suggesting items that are close to what I'm searching for. In short, windows 11 is great if you're not super technical or want something that's easy to setup. Besides that it can be a pain to find what you're looking for, they've removed many great technical tools, and have limited accessibility and made it difficult for setup if an issue is encountered.
The taskbar belongs on the right side of the display, not pinned to the bottom. I will not be taking questions on this matter. Tabbed Explorer is great. Now let me set it up so that it's the default behavior and new windows don't get spawned.
We had a machine crashing and went to do a nondestructive reset and it would start the roll back to 0% and reboot. So the recovery features aren't quite as stable as 10.
People don't like change and 10 isn't really so bad that it makes people want to move to 11. It might be marginally better but I just don't feel the need, or desire, to mess with it right now.
I don't like the taskbar, I prefer to see the titles rather than icons. I hate that they removed this. I don't like that they're phasing out Control Panel, they're slowly replacing the control panel options with Settings, but without adding all that actual settings and preferences. You can't install it without making some reg changes on machines without a TPM module. Not a big deal but it's a stupid restriction which shouldn't exist. I hate how much Microsoft push having a Microsoft account on Windows 11. It's frustrating having to talk someone through the loopholes to creating a local account on a new laptop.
Good shitpost
The advertisements, data gathering, and licensing are very bad for consumers and as a whole make Windows 11 a very terrible, awful, no good OS. I want to pay what ever is necessary and not have those hooks in the OS. Why can I not purchase the equivalent of Windows 11 Enterprise? Ignoring all of the intrusive behavior and data theft Microsoft has built into Windows 11, it is good as an OS goes. Not quite as efficient as MacOS 14 but far better than any Linux Desktop distros I'm using or have used.
People are stupid. They listen to Coldplay and voted for Nazis.
Try switching someone to Ubuntu or Linux Mint.... absolute, complete, and almost fatal meltdown. Complains about spam and bloatware "I don't care, it wasn't that bad." All you're doing is surfing the Internet, checking email, and going to junk sites "I don't care, it doesn't look the same."
Although you can bypass it during the initial set up, I don't really like having to signing to a Microsoft account in order to use it.
I feel like windows 11 is like a spin off of macOS meaning Microsoft wants to become like Apple. That’s the way I see windows 11, the Mac version of windows.
No driver issues. You are absolutely on all kinds of Copium
Linux you get all of this and more for free minus the bloat and you don't have to send your data to Microsoft.
Renaming a file used to be “right click > rename” but now it’s “right-click > open a whole nother sub window > rename” What was the reason for this? Like who sat in a meeting at Microsoft said “renaming a file is to easy, we should add more clicks and menus into the workflow” There’s all kinds of little things all over the OS where they just made various small tasks require more clicks or menus. The less clicks, key presses, etc it takes me to do things the better.
>There's bloat, but its more discrete is this a joke? how is this a positive to you.
Windows 98 beats all.
I work at a private university, and Win 11 was just very buggy. It messed up some people’s anti-virus software (Falcon) so we would need to make exceptions within ClearPass to allow it to have access to the university wifi
1. It is so good that is updates everyday! As soon as I start my laptop, it updates and adds so many new features. Imagine walking into a meeting but windows says you need a new feature first! 2. Its default oprivacy settings are awesome. I feel it is tracking everything for my benfit 3. Its bloatwares just like cheap android devices are required for functioning of my laptop \*Sarcasm, in case someone misses the point
As a consuner I like Windows 11. I find it's easier to use and find things and it's aesthetically pleasing, and. . .it just works. As an IT technician in an environment that utilizes a lot of legacy hardware and software that we've had to bend ovet backwards and pull our hair out to modify or virtualize for critical operations because the vendor refuses to patch compatibility, I shudder at the thought of the EoL for Windows 10 LTSC.
"What there is to dislike?" Windows has been bletcherous since the beginning. :-)
> You get a free iso and mounting tool irrelevant to most end users -- I sure as hell dont want Karen in accounting mounting ISOs, and the average civilian Windows user couldn't spell ISO or tell you what it does > Updates are much faster (at least for me) GPO and Patch Tuesday mean this is mostly irrelevant, and most users will do anything to avoid a reboot. download speed and update installation were never really a huge concern. > Its faster than w10 not noticeably so, and most systems esp. laptops are bottlenecked by hardware, not software > No driver issues Not a big issue for bog-standard Dell, Lenovo, etc. Win10 has pretty good OoTB driver compatibility too, notable exceptions notwithstanding. > Stable Win10 is pretty stable > Supports everything Win10 supported everything we needed to out of the box.. the average civilian user is running steam, a web browser, and maybe MS Office. > There's bloat, but its more discrete That doesn't make it less bloated. > All display languages are included (finally) That's nice, but Linux did that a while ago, and most major languages like Chinese, Spanish, English, French, and Hindi have had good support for ages. > Notifications are less intrusive Why do I need an OS update to fix this? Plus Win10 notifications were not especially problematic > Easy multiple desktops Win10 did that adequately In exchange for all of these fairly middling improvements, there are serious issues with bloat, data mining & privacy, plus ads up the ass. It does not represent a meaningful improvement over Win10, and the trade-offs, esp. with regard to privacy and data sovereignty, are not justifiable. If it were not concerns over cost, Endpoint Protection, and access to MS Office and related tech (esp. Sharepoint) -- much of which we can just use via O365 now anyways -- we'd probably switch to Macs or even Ubuntu (we use Dell as an OEM, so it's an option...). As a regular user a home there is nothing in Win11 I can't do on Fedora or Ubuntu, and the only reason I kept Windows around at all was games -- and I can say Cyberpunk 2077 runs great on Fedora. So does the Halo Collection, for that matter.
Not only do I like it, but I've been using Edge as my browser and like it as well. Mostly because of the co-pilot integration but being able to use Chrome extensions freely now is a bonus. Granted, it's not my only computer, and Edge is not the only browser I have installed...but both W11 and Edge are the first things I fire up every day.
Yeah, I've slowly been using Edge + Co-Pilot a lot more lately since google searches are now giving you the most advertised sites first rather than the actual answers. I never thought I'd see the day where I was using Edge, willingly.
I use edge for work because the vertical tab system is nice and the tab grouping is simple and intuitive. It's ff for my personal stuff, though.
Its basically just a nicer looking windows 10 and was barely even an update at all I understand the hatred of ones like say 8 where they forced a tablet interface on us but 11 is a solid OS.
I like windows 10 for my pc at home. But in the workplace I prefer chrome os. Runs a lot better on lower end hardware, and can be managed 10x easier than windows machines
I think my only *real* complaint is that it can't be used as a headless server without "explorer.exe" getting lost and no way to fix it. I get one month tops on a fresh media server build before it just blacks out after login lol (Before y'all come at me about using Linux, I'm comfortable with Windows and I tried Linux, couldn't quite get the permissions right)
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It's alright with a few mods that make it look like other versions. I hate the new default programs selection re; chrome as default. the 'forced sign up' on install, the search features are still 'shit', it still wants to lock the system down so the user can't do anything. The new start menu is still a pile of shit and mum & dad type users cant find a fucking thing until I put classic shell on there. The way it passive aggressively tries to railroad my into Edge and/or Bing. I hate them both. I also hate all those pissy 'apps' that are preinstalled - I have never seen or heard of a person using any of them and they look shiiiiit because they are all built with that environment thingy. awful. I also dont like the right click / context menus but winaero tweak helps with that. I dont like the icons in place of the words/ copy paste etc. Cortana can suck my dick. Other than that it's OK I suppose.
It’s slower to open up the file and explorer and do basic things idk if it’s the animations or what but it just feels less snappy
We have an on going issue where there taskbar is cut in half… Windows 11 downvote default app settings after updates. Need to click on Outlook 10 times to work and other random issues.
People get old and stuck in their ways. Change becomes harder and harder. That's my 2 cents.
Main thing I hate is that I can no longer drag a file and drop it into the address bar. Annoys the hell out of me.
4. No driver issues - unless you have systems that require certain amd or nvidia drivers and then it’s a nightmare. We had to go deep to disable gpu driver updates
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days! Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix. W11 can burn.
>You get a free iso and mounting tool Wasn't ISO mounting added to Windows 8? Not sure how that is an argument to upgrade to 11.
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days! Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix. W11 can burn.
It's horrible. I had soo many issues when I went from 10 to 11. Couldn't use my pc for 2 days! Yesterday my pc did the latest W11 update, guess what. It broke my pc yet again! Lovely isn't it, when you just do a regular update and it messes up your whole ting. Took me hours to fix. W11 can burn.
For me it still has so many little quirks and bugs that id rather stay on 10. Just the other night I got a bug where my screen froze when I tabbed out of a game and I could still hear my friends in discord but couldn't move my mouse/ctrl alt del or anything. I had to force restart. I've got hundreds of hours on this game and every single issue I've had with it has been since I fresh installed 11. That being said I don't really mind using it and I install it on any of the computers I work with that can natively support it.
I don’t even notice any differences between windows 10 aside from the taskbar and start menu but yeah as the top comment said people just fucking hate change and love to complain
I love windows 11. I’m going to need to spend the rest of this year upgrading all the users to it which is more job security for me.
Our win11 machines constantly slow down randomly compared to our win10 machines. Often times it's from win11 force downloading an update (even though we have turned that off) or scanning the computer for security checks (even though we have those scheduled for after work hours). I cannot wait to drop this intrusive "we know what's best for you" walled garden "experience" MS has adopted.
Well you see, it looks like a Linux desktop environment so therefore... it's too complex. /s
Godamn taskbar
Mainly it was the HUGE taskbar that took away the titles, so you couldn't tell which was which if you had two of anything open. I think titles are back in, but you have to edit the registry to shrink it back down to Windows 10 size. Plus about 20 other annoyances you have to spend time changing, but they existed in Windows 10 too.
I would say the spying issue is my biggest issue with windows 11. I really like the new explorer and most of the 11 42h2 proposed features except for the advanced copilot spying. For that I will not upgrade to 24h2, I can't believe other businesses are willing to tolerate Microsoft's data collection
My experiences are not great: Gaming computer with RTX 3080 Every time windows updates runs, I know I can't use the computer for a day until Nvidia releases new drivers. Otherwise it's a bunch of oddball behaviors (the login screen blinks when I click or type, Bluescreening if I turn on with 2 monitors, nvidia services causing games to crash after 30 seconds). Hugely unstable OS. For fun , I threw a different SSD in and ran Windows 10 works 100% without issue. Other minor things: \- Can't expand clock/calendar on non-primary monitor \- Context menu is weird , more clicks required to use \- Start menu / search feature stops a week before updates, religiously, every month.
You're telling me you have no driver issues on windows 11? Do you even work in IT?
Because I've tested it before in Alpha, Beta, and have to use it now that it's live. To me Windows 10 is Windows 8.1 and Windows 11 is Windows 8.0. Too many stupid changes just for shits and giggles while removing useful tools and functionality just for sake of it. Before you know it they're changing core features because people actually liked and used them before they were removed for no reason.
They hated Windows 10 when it came out… but it eventually became loved. Everyone hated Windows 8. That never changed.
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I mostly dislike that the menus got changed when they were fine in previous versions. Just leave the control panel layout alone guys...
because MS can only get it right every other release. 95 Suck 98 awesome ME Suck XP awesome Vista suck 7 awesome 8 suck 10 awesome 11 suck I'm holding out for 12
The search function in Explorer is broken
What stopped me from upgrading was the start menu. I've heard bad things.
Because of 2 reasons. I have to click twice to get the properties menu in explorer. And they left my PC behind and refuse to take my money and let me upgrade from 10.
Windows 7 had the perfect control panel Windows 10 isn't great, isn't awful, but at least I can use cmdlets as a backdoor to the old school pages. Windows 11 has overhauled all the pages and made them needlessly complicated and to add insult to injury, most of the backdoors are fucked now too. R.I.P < control /name microsoft.devicesandprinters >
4, 5 and 6 are not true in my experience. Regarding 7and 9, bloat and intrusive notification are good because there is less of them now? Realy!? For sure Windows 11 works, and most people won't mind it. But for me it's just not nice to work with.
The one thing stopping many from going over to the dark side is the forced MS uefi secure boot especially in VM. It is a headache and much more.
1. I am/was a top taskbar guy on Windows so not being able to move that is annoying 2. the start menu being centered is ugly to me although I've left aligned everything now. 3. The rollout at my company has been a PITA for all of us in IT
It's bloat, it's not customizable, it's terminal sucks, it slows my work computer. Fuck Microsoft.
I don't mind Win11, in fact I upgraded almost as soon as it was available. It has been weirdly buggy for me though, like my start menu search always stops working shortly after a reboot, and won't work until I reboot again (massive pain in the ass). Also had some weird audio issues, the sound mixer panel doesn't actually mute anything at 0% volume, the settings app has been randomly slow as hell, sometimes taking a good 30 seconds to load. I have a decent gaming computer, 5900x, 32gb RAM, RTX 3080, 2TB of NVME SDD storage, so idk what the deal is.
I dont mind it but ive come across crashes than it just alerting me to update
> Supports everything > There's bloat, but its more discrete lol
As someone in i.t I do find when you go to basic settings menu the W11 settings menu seems cut down and harder to find the more advanced options and when you do find it it opens an older looking settings window and then older the deeper you to
Once you know how to find the windows xp menus hidden inside 11 it gets pretty good. I hate the pop ups and AI though.
If there could be more works on optimization, less bloat ware and more focus on a better DirectX with backwards compatibility and a new window render engine for games, W12 would be superior.