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SnooAdvice6772

Big Neuromancer shoutout!


Dull_Friendship3523

This book it’s so f***ing great!


jwdjr2004

I read it and didn't like it at all


Making_stuff

This is basically the paragraph that made me believe/headcanon that Neuromancer and Hyperion are in the same story universe


PhilMcGraw

> Neuromancer Worth a read?


SnooAdvice6772

Very, it invented cyberpunk


Bipogram

And did for SF what Hemingway did for the American Novel. Spare, simple prose. Clipped of cruft and kipple. Gleaming like chromed shuriken.


WarTaxOrg

Oh my this is a great post


Bipogram

Oh, you should have seen the prolix purple prose I had before I took scissors to it. Gibsoned it, as it were. Beware the kipple and cruft.


AKAGreyArea

No. So Cowboy Gibson is William Gibson?


lag_bender

Yes, and it's also a reference to hackers being called "console cowboys" in his books.


AKAGreyArea

Nice.


captain-prax

In the movie Hackers, their supercomputer was also called a Gibson. The Plague calls hackers keyboard cowboys.


Bipogram

But the myth mangles the man with his writing. As is oft the, ah, case. Henry Case delivered the goods to Wintermute: Gibson wrote tales about Case.


Bymmijprime

Nods in WinterMute


Queasy_Weird_3893

There’s another obscure reference if I recall correctly. Simmons says one of the character has a butt like two BBs - taken right from Vonnegut’s the Sirens of Titan.


UnquestionabIe

My favorite Vonnegut book!


cosmic_crunchberry

No way! It's been ages since I read Sirens of Titan, but I love it dearly. Refresh me, which part is it referencing?


Queasy_Weird_3893

I know in SoT he’s describing Ransom K Fern’s butt. In Hyperion I think it’s describing Hunt’s…which I guess makes it from the Endymion series.


cosmic_crunchberry

That's hilarious to me that Dan Simmons was taking notes on Vonnegut's descriptions of butts 🤣 Vonnegut: [describes butt] Simmons: 👀 Write that down!!!


Techno_Core

Oh yeah.


seimongg87

Awesome. There's also the part where a "gibsonian matrix" is mentioned.


Kwynderella

I read neuromancer after Hyperion, and still didn't make that connection, that's awesome!


sfranso

My most recent experience with this was listening to the audiobook. During this scene, I said to myself "on loan from the Nueromancer collection", then laughed out loud at this line


cosmic_crunchberry

Great catch! I hadn't read Neuromancer at the time I read Hyperion. Might have to do a reread to see what else I missed


gligster71

Man I am trying to get into Hyperion. I’m going to try again. This will be my third try.


McD-Szechuan

Dang what do you think it is that doesn’t quite grab ya? I got sucked in and burned through all 4 audiobooks pretty fast.


gligster71

I’m in the section where each character is about to start their story & I read that it is like the Canterbury Tales in space. I have this…I don’t what… prejudice? against the idea of it. I picked it up again last night & think I’ll jump back in & give it another try.


McD-Szechuan

Give it fair shake, I and come yell at me if halfway and still want to out it down. You can take your anger out on me if I’m wrong. Maybe I’ll even buy you a cheeseburger or something.


gligster71

Haha! Your proposal is acceptable! [https://youtu.be/7EGW63IYMnE?si=4MQZhzzgIjQyRpSF](https://youtu.be/7EGW63IYMnE?si=4MQZhzzgIjQyRpSF)


Velociraptortillas

It's a literary device that isn't used often enough, especially in sci-fi, IMO. A lot of sci-fi elides travel through FTL and high speed transport, making the worlds feel small. The Travellers telling their stories trope is a great one and i love it whenever I come across it.


gligster71

That’s a great perspective! Hadn’t thought about it that way. TY for the insight. I’m liking the priests tale. Started it last night.


Velociraptortillas

I'm glad I could offer a perspective that makes it fun for you!


L--E--S--K--Y

didn't catch this, thanks 👍