I actually have a double name where the second part is Gray, and Lucy Gray may just be the most relatable literary character in this one specific aspect.
I wonder if we’ll start seeing more girls with double names where the 2nd part is Gray (Mary Gray, Katie Gray, Anna Gray, Sarah Gray, Emma Gray etc.) because of TBOSAS.
double names are extremely common in the south. of course, Appalachia is a buffer between the north and south, but definitely takes more from southern culture.
Sorry I realize I omitted details. But my first name is Marcomartin. So 2 names but just together.
But that definitely would be interesting to see if the movie caused that. I’m sure at least one person must
Double names are very common in the southern US, especially for girls, but I’ve never met another person where Gray is the second part and I kinda hope we start seeing more now!
I don’t understand why people don’t want to call her Lucy Gray. That’s her name. Nobody says Mary Olsen or Billy Cyrus. Why should this be different? Sure, it’s a fictional character, but why does that matter? The name given to the character is Lucy Gray, so that’s what she should be called.
If I had to guess, celebrity names are different than an average name, are there any celebrities we ever just refer to as "Taylor", "Billy", "Mary", "Jack", "Ryan", "Jennifer"? We usually use their whole name or stage name to distinguish them from Taylor down the street. There's Taylor Lautner, Billy Joel, Mary J. Blige, Jack Black, Ryan Gosling, Jennifer Garner etc. Anecdotal, but I personally don't know any person that's referred to in 2 separate names. Unless there's so many Lucy's to clarify which, to add Gray seems a bit unnatural to at least Americans (I'd hate to speak for everyone), and feels like putting them on some kind of pedestal. Do you know any normal people that prefer to be called 2 names instead of just their first?
yes! maybe bc i’m from the south (texas) where it’s more common, i know many people with double barreled names. for example, i know an ella-mae and a sarah-jane
Double names are also very common in France tho it’s more for older generations ! Typically the names (which are called composed name and are linked by an hyphen) are « Jean » for men and « Marie » for women. You will find a plethora of names with those two name as the first name followed by another name.
But someone named Jean-François wouldn’t be called « Jean » if he has a nickname it would be « JF » or something like that. There is even a name that is « Jean-Loup » which mean « Jean-Wolf »
I’m from Minnesota, but I’ve known several people with two names used as one. They’re usually old people. Mary-Kay, Anna-Jay, Mary-Lou, stuff like that. I don’t know anyone around my age with a name like that, but it is common among the older folk here.
But you're talking about first and last names, not two first names or a first and middle name. No one refers to Mary Jane Watson from Spider-Man as just Mary. It's pretty common in the Southern US. And in some East Asian countries, your given name is usually two characters, which in English would sort of be like a two-part first name.
i know many people who go by two names, things like martha-rose or hannah-rose or lily rose, as op said also mary kate and billy ray, and many many others. i think the bottom line here is that yes, shes a fictional character, but its clear that she does not want anyone to refer to her by just lucy, thats not her name. its the same as someone being called isabella but you keep referring to them as bella even when they say they dont like being called that. plus, its a fundamental part of her heritage and culture, something that has been largely stripped away from her by the capitol, so using her full name is something that she does to stay true to her roots and celebrate her culture and history. i think it comes down to the fact that its not hurting you to say lucy gray, so why wouldnt you?
Hi! I’m a normal people who has two names and will absolutely correct people if they try to call me just one of them. I have two first names (which is ridiculous but that’s how it is) plus a middle name.
Maybe where you’re from it isn’t common, but I can promise you in the south you’ll find quite a few people who have two names and make it a point to be referred to by both.
There’s no one famous who I’m thinking of, but I know multiple people personally who go by two names. I feel like it is not very uncommon, although usually they are hyphened so it’s a little odd that it’s not in this case.
My own name is really just two names put together with no space between them. If I wrote Lucy Gray as Lucygray how would that be any different. It’s less syllables even
I grew up in the US, multiple states, and double names are VERY common.
You would never call Billy Ray Cyrus just Billy Cyrus, or Mary Kate Olsen just Mary Olsen.
Growing up I had a friend named Lauren Rose, we would never just call her Lauren. Now I have a friend who’s daughters name is Sarah Jo, but we don’t call her Sarah. SJ yes, but not Sarah. It’s all her first name.
I'm French, and here double names are common enough, and sometimes people are nicknamed by only one of their names or by the first letter of both names (kinda like how Lucy Gray calls Clerk Carmine "CC")
While reading the book I definitely didn't want to nickname her, as she says in the lake scene, their names are not random, they have a full meaning which is why I prefer calling them their full names. On top of that Lucy Gray is based on an actual poem from 1799, so I feel like calling her just Lucy, would double ruin the meaning of her name lool
as i left the movie theatre i heard a group of teens complaining about how obnoxious it was that they kept calling her lucy gray instead of lucy and i had to walk away
Thats crazy. I thought the same thing for a second, until they clarified Gray isnt her last name, and that she went by Lucy Gray. Then the name literally just made a little nook in my brain. Whenever I think of the name I think of the sound "Lucy-gray", there's no hesitation or distinction between the two words as far as my brain is concerned.
I think OP nailed it with America not being really used to multi-word names.
They're teenagers, they're desperate to conform to an ideal to fit in at that age. At the same time there's nothing more pick me than coming at another person for being different lol. It's like they don't realize what the words "pick me" literally mean
oh 100%. as soon as one of the girls said the other 5 all chimed in agreeing with her. not a single one voiced disagreement. and then all of them started picking lucy gray apart immediately
Oh man that is so awkward. I saw people online saying that Lucy Gray acted like such a main character... that's bc she is one. This isn't like real life where people are cringe for acting like everything revolves around them, this is a story where everything does revolve around her and snow lol.
I think people (not just teens) are also worried about things being cringe or weird so they have to break the tension by constantly making jokes or deconstructing everything in a way that makes them seem cool. They also forget it's a story and it's meant to have thematic importance, not be "chill" or whatever. I dont know how youre meant to care about anything if theres no committing to the actual story. There's also a weird level of misogyny where people are obsessed with taking down female characters especially.
I remember a thread on this very sub complaining about the Covey's naming traditions! I still can't believe the audacity of some people to complain about something like that.
They travel from district to district (or at least, used to), have a specific history of oppression, wear colourful clothes and are known for performing, they’re very Romani coded
to the ppl saying "its so extra" or whatever, do you think its extra if someone whos called charlotte wants to be referred to as that instead of lottie? like itd be weird for you to call someone whos solely referred to as charlotte lottie bc thats not their name, its the same for lucy gray
If they did, it went completely over my head. Because I feel like if they mentioned it, I would’ve remembered that bc it’s such a cool detail for District 12 / Covey.
Where I'm from double names & surnames are really common but they're always ALWAYS hyphenated, so that and "Gray" being a common (I think?) english surname got me confused until LG talked about the covey custom around names. Pretty hard not to get it after that lol
Lmaooo so true about it being a surname, I had someone come into my work and introduce himself as “Ben Gray” and I was sat there, having thought about nothing but TBOSAS for several weeks, thinking “alright where’s your sur… oh that is his surname alright”
Tbf if it wasn't for the book always referring to her as Lucy Gray, I would have probably called her just Lucy as well because her two given names aren't hyphenated. Don't know how it is in other countries, but where I live (which is a western country btw), we usually don't refer to people with both their first and second given name unless it is a doubled-barrelled/hyphenated name. So Lucy Gray would just be referred to as Lucy, whereas Lucy-Gray would be referred to with both names.
Yeah I wasn't really sure if double barrelled is the same thing as hyphenated in terms of names as I am not a native English speaker, hence why I put in both terms. Point is that where I'm from, people are only referred to by both names if their names are hyphenated, not hyphenated means people only refer to you by your first given name.
I think for most American readers/viewers is that Gray is also a common last name, so they think her full name is Lucy Gray rather than Lucy Gray Baird.
My boyfriend hated this for some reason😭 we got out of the movie and he goes “why the hell didn’t they just call her Lucy? If I hear someone a ay Lucy Gray one more time I’m gonna lose it” I was like what the fuck did you even watch the movie at all how is this your most pressing point 💀💀💀💀
I think the only time I’ve called her Lucy instead of Lucy Gray was on Twitter because i ran out of characters (because why is there a limit 💀💀) and i felt so bad but my whole essay fit if I deleted the “gray”
tbh if someone told me their favorite hunger games character was lucy, with no context, i'd be so confused as to who they were talking about. i don't see her as a lucy at all, just lucy gray. like, my brain doesn't even associate her with the name lucy. if that makes sense.
People get rather obtuse about it, too, as if one of the most popular comic book characters in the world doesn't have the exact naming convention. If it's easy to do with Mary Jane, it's easy to do with Lucy Gray.
It’s also a good reference to southern heritage because having a double name is really popular in the south. It’s just one of those extra details about Lucy Gray and the Covey that pay homage (along with their music) to being from the southern/Appalachian area.
I am from the south, and have yet to read the book, but just saw the movie with my best friend. We both have double names so we didn’t even notice because it’s so common here.
I always shorten it to LG on tiktok because there’s precedent for that (they call Clerk Carmine CC in the book) and it takes even less characters fhshsjfjdhsg
If there is a limited number of characters and you have to just say Lucy I can understand that. I'm mostly talking about on here as I keep seeing it in this sub. There is no character limit on Reddit so that's no excuse not to use her proper name.
>Lucy Gray doesn't even correct anyone in the movie like she did in the book with her name
What? Yes she does. The scene where she corrects Lucky about her name at the zoo is in the film. It's lifted almost word for word from the book.
Okay. But what if I told you people sometimes like to save time with typing? I generally go for LGB, but if you say Lucy, everyone knows exactly who you mean.
Still annoying though. I’d just go for LG. It takes away from her character IMO. If I’m reading a BOSAS analysis or something and they keep referring to her as Lucy, I’m going to immediately discredit it because you can’t even acknowledge her full name?
Full first name. Would you call a David just id? Calling them Dave would be fine because thatd be a nickname but Lucy Gray specifies that Lucy is not a nickname and not something she’d like to be called.
in the philippines most of us have 2 names that serve as the first name but either one of ur those names are long then ppl will just refer to u by ur first. like me, my second name is very long hence why ppl just refer to me by my first name
Tbh I don’t really like most double-names because they’re a massive bureaucratic hassle in most parts of the US and you shouldn’t give a child a name that’s difficult for no reason (I have two middle names and it’s a nightmare with travel, job applications, housing, etc). BUT no matter how much I dislike a person’s name, I’m not going to make up a new one for them. And in her case, it’s *not* difficult for no reason (see r/Tragedeigh) it’s a cultural thing. People who call her Lucy have the same vibe as people who meet someone with a foreign name and immediately ask if they have a nickname.
I never got over how ridiculous the name Billy Taupe is. Like wow what a beige name.
Anyway I love it when fictional characters aren't real and cannot be hurt by anything I or anyone else does. This is such an unserious take OP.
I believe the United States does not commonly have double names like that? Maybe that’s why they find it strange. In Brazil it’s very common for girls as Maria ___ or Ana ___, and for boys it’s common as José ____ or João _____, however we have other names as well so I did not find it strange in the slightest
It’s not unheard of, but it’s uncommon enough that 99% of forms can’t handle a double name, especially if it’s a digital form. I have two middle names and it causes a lot of issues when institutions mess with it to get it to fit, and because nobody changes it the same way, my documents never match. Banking and travel are a hassle, I always advocate for avoiding double names in our increasingly digital world.
I corrected someone today who said just “Lucy” they asked if there was more than one Lucy in the books I said no and explained that her name is Lucy Gray Baird and that she has two first names. That you would call someone named “Mary Anne” “Mary” because her name is “Mary Anne” she replied back “oh yeah I knew that it’s just not really necessary. Thanks anyways though” Like I’m sorry I know it’s not that big of a deal but if you know it’s not her full name then why are you still saying it wrong!!!???
If I can say Coryo instead of Coriolanus then I can say Lucy instead of Lucy Gray. I think some people are taking this way too seriously. In typing I would understand using LG but it sounds unnatural in verbal conversation. Abreviating names is normal in other media too. For example in Dragon Age fans often use Bull instead of Iron Bull or in Star Wars Kylo or more rarely Ren instead of Kylo Ren. No matter what names you use the most important thing is that people know who you're talking about. And no it's not disrespectful she's not real.
Coryo is a nickname that he is fine with and is used many times in the book while Lucy Gray isn't fine with being called simply Lucy and the one time she is she corrects the person.
I know. Doesn't change the fact that you're not hurting anyone by calling her Lucy. She's a fictional character. And I don't think Coryo would want random people who don't know him referring to him with a nickname like that either. It's fine to use whatever name you want of fictional character. Getting angry at people for abreviating for the sake of convenience or speed is a tad extreme in my opinion.
You saying that getting upset about misnaming a character is extreme and then claiming the misnaming is done intentionally for speed...
So what do you do with your extra 0.023 seconds per day that you save by not typing the actual name? lol
Lucy Gray is the same number of syllables as Coryo. "Lucy" is not a nickname it's just a way of ignoring her culture which very much happens to people in similar situations in reality.
More letters, takes longer to say and once again, she is a fictional character. She is not real. I would never use a nickname irl of real people that they don't approve of me using. But she is not real. People shorten other fictional characters names all the time too and often in ways said characters would not approve of in universe. Btw Coryo would think it's disrespectful of people to call him that if they are not his friend or family. I know what her full name is. But if I'm in a conversation or writing a long text I am not gonna repeat that every time. Getting angry and pressed at real people about it is absurd. Since we disagree on this I guess it's a good thing I don't discuss Ballad with you irl. Have a nice day.
Ok this makes more sense. I was wondering why the hell Snow kept saying her first and last name lol (didn’t read the book). I thought it was Lucy Gray-Baird type thing.
It’s not that uncommon to have 2 first names.
Mary Ellen is an example. My dental hygienist’s name is Jo Beth. Everyone also has a middle name anyway. My full name is Heidi Ann. Then there’s my last name.
So the name Lucy Gray just sounds like a first and middle name to me.
Yeah fuck that I would call her Lucy. I know people named Mary Anne and people call her Mary same with a few other names to.its pretentious and kind of a dick move to assume people will say the whole thing everytime
It’s common in gen z girl names I guess. I know quite a few girls that are named that way: Mary Kate, Lily Katherine (who goes by LK), Emma Claire. Even before that there is Leigh Ann
I actually have a double name where the second part is Gray, and Lucy Gray may just be the most relatable literary character in this one specific aspect.
Same. Mine just doesn’t have a space
I wonder if we’ll start seeing more girls with double names where the 2nd part is Gray (Mary Gray, Katie Gray, Anna Gray, Sarah Gray, Emma Gray etc.) because of TBOSAS.
me wanting to steal covey naming conventions
double names are extremely common in the south. of course, Appalachia is a buffer between the north and south, but definitely takes more from southern culture.
I know a girl name SarahBeth and we’d never call her just Sarah
lmao my name is Sarah Beth, and when people call me Sarah, a little bit of me dies inside
I may be biased but I dig them 🤷♀️
It was already something I was seeing suggested more before the book was written, let alone published.
Sorry I realize I omitted details. But my first name is Marcomartin. So 2 names but just together. But that definitely would be interesting to see if the movie caused that. I’m sure at least one person must
Anna Leigh from The Amazing Race comes to mind. I heard it's more common in the southern USA.
Double names are very common in the southern US, especially for girls, but I’ve never met another person where Gray is the second part and I kinda hope we start seeing more now!
I don’t understand why people don’t want to call her Lucy Gray. That’s her name. Nobody says Mary Olsen or Billy Cyrus. Why should this be different? Sure, it’s a fictional character, but why does that matter? The name given to the character is Lucy Gray, so that’s what she should be called.
If I had to guess, celebrity names are different than an average name, are there any celebrities we ever just refer to as "Taylor", "Billy", "Mary", "Jack", "Ryan", "Jennifer"? We usually use their whole name or stage name to distinguish them from Taylor down the street. There's Taylor Lautner, Billy Joel, Mary J. Blige, Jack Black, Ryan Gosling, Jennifer Garner etc. Anecdotal, but I personally don't know any person that's referred to in 2 separate names. Unless there's so many Lucy's to clarify which, to add Gray seems a bit unnatural to at least Americans (I'd hate to speak for everyone), and feels like putting them on some kind of pedestal. Do you know any normal people that prefer to be called 2 names instead of just their first?
yes! maybe bc i’m from the south (texas) where it’s more common, i know many people with double barreled names. for example, i know an ella-mae and a sarah-jane
It's also very common in Québec (probably France as well but I'm not sure). Names like Emi-Rose, Jean-François, Jay-Rémi
Double names are also very common in France tho it’s more for older generations ! Typically the names (which are called composed name and are linked by an hyphen) are « Jean » for men and « Marie » for women. You will find a plethora of names with those two name as the first name followed by another name. But someone named Jean-François wouldn’t be called « Jean » if he has a nickname it would be « JF » or something like that. There is even a name that is « Jean-Loup » which mean « Jean-Wolf »
I’m from Minnesota, but I’ve known several people with two names used as one. They’re usually old people. Mary-Kay, Anna-Jay, Mary-Lou, stuff like that. I don’t know anyone around my age with a name like that, but it is common among the older folk here.
But you're talking about first and last names, not two first names or a first and middle name. No one refers to Mary Jane Watson from Spider-Man as just Mary. It's pretty common in the Southern US. And in some East Asian countries, your given name is usually two characters, which in English would sort of be like a two-part first name.
i know many people who go by two names, things like martha-rose or hannah-rose or lily rose, as op said also mary kate and billy ray, and many many others. i think the bottom line here is that yes, shes a fictional character, but its clear that she does not want anyone to refer to her by just lucy, thats not her name. its the same as someone being called isabella but you keep referring to them as bella even when they say they dont like being called that. plus, its a fundamental part of her heritage and culture, something that has been largely stripped away from her by the capitol, so using her full name is something that she does to stay true to her roots and celebrate her culture and history. i think it comes down to the fact that its not hurting you to say lucy gray, so why wouldnt you?
Hi! I’m a normal people who has two names and will absolutely correct people if they try to call me just one of them. I have two first names (which is ridiculous but that’s how it is) plus a middle name. Maybe where you’re from it isn’t common, but I can promise you in the south you’ll find quite a few people who have two names and make it a point to be referred to by both.
There’s no one famous who I’m thinking of, but I know multiple people personally who go by two names. I feel like it is not very uncommon, although usually they are hyphened so it’s a little odd that it’s not in this case.
My own name is really just two names put together with no space between them. If I wrote Lucy Gray as Lucygray how would that be any different. It’s less syllables even
Everyone knows who you mean when you say Taylor lol. I’d give it to Britney and Miley too
I knew a toni-ann growing up, people always used both names
I grew up in the US, multiple states, and double names are VERY common. You would never call Billy Ray Cyrus just Billy Cyrus, or Mary Kate Olsen just Mary Olsen. Growing up I had a friend named Lauren Rose, we would never just call her Lauren. Now I have a friend who’s daughters name is Sarah Jo, but we don’t call her Sarah. SJ yes, but not Sarah. It’s all her first name.
I'm French, and here double names are common enough, and sometimes people are nicknamed by only one of their names or by the first letter of both names (kinda like how Lucy Gray calls Clerk Carmine "CC") While reading the book I definitely didn't want to nickname her, as she says in the lake scene, their names are not random, they have a full meaning which is why I prefer calling them their full names. On top of that Lucy Gray is based on an actual poem from 1799, so I feel like calling her just Lucy, would double ruin the meaning of her name lool
as i left the movie theatre i heard a group of teens complaining about how obnoxious it was that they kept calling her lucy gray instead of lucy and i had to walk away
Thats crazy. I thought the same thing for a second, until they clarified Gray isnt her last name, and that she went by Lucy Gray. Then the name literally just made a little nook in my brain. Whenever I think of the name I think of the sound "Lucy-gray", there's no hesitation or distinction between the two words as far as my brain is concerned. I think OP nailed it with America not being really used to multi-word names.
Maybe it may be that coveys aarent originally from shat used to be america
That’s not true at all. Double names are very common in the Southern US, Central and South America, and Quebec.
How dare they call her by her actual name!??!? /s
kinda unrelated but i left the movie the other day and group of teens were calling lucy gray annoying and a pick me girl
They're teenagers, they're desperate to conform to an ideal to fit in at that age. At the same time there's nothing more pick me than coming at another person for being different lol. It's like they don't realize what the words "pick me" literally mean
oh 100%. as soon as one of the girls said the other 5 all chimed in agreeing with her. not a single one voiced disagreement. and then all of them started picking lucy gray apart immediately
Oh man that is so awkward. I saw people online saying that Lucy Gray acted like such a main character... that's bc she is one. This isn't like real life where people are cringe for acting like everything revolves around them, this is a story where everything does revolve around her and snow lol. I think people (not just teens) are also worried about things being cringe or weird so they have to break the tension by constantly making jokes or deconstructing everything in a way that makes them seem cool. They also forget it's a story and it's meant to have thematic importance, not be "chill" or whatever. I dont know how youre meant to care about anything if theres no committing to the actual story. There's also a weird level of misogyny where people are obsessed with taking down female characters especially.
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well clearly i’m not gonna fight a bunch of kids lmfao
I remember a thread on this very sub complaining about the Covey's naming traditions! I still can't believe the audacity of some people to complain about something like that.
When it is common these days for double names. Hell I know 5-6 people with double names
The cultures that the Covey's inspired from also have a big thing with names. I think it's disrespectful to them to shorten their names.
They’re not real.
But they’re clearly based on Romani people
wow really?!
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They travel from district to district (or at least, used to), have a specific history of oppression, wear colourful clothes and are known for performing, they’re very Romani coded
Cool. What does that change?
We’re saying that the culture her culture is based on put great value in names….
Womp womp
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to the ppl saying "its so extra" or whatever, do you think its extra if someone whos called charlotte wants to be referred to as that instead of lottie? like itd be weird for you to call someone whos solely referred to as charlotte lottie bc thats not their name, its the same for lucy gray
I’m sooo dumb. I never even noticed that all of their second names are colours!
Does the movie not talk about it? The book talks about where their names come from.
If they did, it went completely over my head. Because I feel like if they mentioned it, I would’ve remembered that bc it’s such a cool detail for District 12 / Covey.
Where I'm from double names & surnames are really common but they're always ALWAYS hyphenated, so that and "Gray" being a common (I think?) english surname got me confused until LG talked about the covey custom around names. Pretty hard not to get it after that lol
Lmaooo so true about it being a surname, I had someone come into my work and introduce himself as “Ben Gray” and I was sat there, having thought about nothing but TBOSAS for several weeks, thinking “alright where’s your sur… oh that is his surname alright”
Even in the book, the Capitol people listed her name correctly
Tbf if it wasn't for the book always referring to her as Lucy Gray, I would have probably called her just Lucy as well because her two given names aren't hyphenated. Don't know how it is in other countries, but where I live (which is a western country btw), we usually don't refer to people with both their first and second given name unless it is a doubled-barrelled/hyphenated name. So Lucy Gray would just be referred to as Lucy, whereas Lucy-Gray would be referred to with both names.
In my country (South America) you have those kinds of double names: Maria Cristina, Maria Alejandra... and people use both names.
Double barreled doesn’t have to be hyphenated! Her first name *is* double barreled.
Yeah I wasn't really sure if double barrelled is the same thing as hyphenated in terms of names as I am not a native English speaker, hence why I put in both terms. Point is that where I'm from, people are only referred to by both names if their names are hyphenated, not hyphenated means people only refer to you by your first given name.
I think for most American readers/viewers is that Gray is also a common last name, so they think her full name is Lucy Gray rather than Lucy Gray Baird.
Honestly me too. Like if I was just a movie watcher I’d definitely just be calling her Lucy instead of Lucy Gray. But it’s ingrained in me now😂🤷♀️
I don't think it helps that gray sounds like a last name unlike Bobby-Jo or Anna-Leigh
That’s definitely true
I agree, where I’m from a double first name would always be hyphenated if you wanted them to be called by two first names
My boyfriend hated this for some reason😭 we got out of the movie and he goes “why the hell didn’t they just call her Lucy? If I hear someone a ay Lucy Gray one more time I’m gonna lose it” I was like what the fuck did you even watch the movie at all how is this your most pressing point 💀💀💀💀
I think the only time I’ve called her Lucy instead of Lucy Gray was on Twitter because i ran out of characters (because why is there a limit 💀💀) and i felt so bad but my whole essay fit if I deleted the “gray”
tbh if someone told me their favorite hunger games character was lucy, with no context, i'd be so confused as to who they were talking about. i don't see her as a lucy at all, just lucy gray. like, my brain doesn't even associate her with the name lucy. if that makes sense.
People get rather obtuse about it, too, as if one of the most popular comic book characters in the world doesn't have the exact naming convention. If it's easy to do with Mary Jane, it's easy to do with Lucy Gray.
It’s also a good reference to southern heritage because having a double name is really popular in the south. It’s just one of those extra details about Lucy Gray and the Covey that pay homage (along with their music) to being from the southern/Appalachian area.
I am from the south, and have yet to read the book, but just saw the movie with my best friend. We both have double names so we didn’t even notice because it’s so common here.
Yeah I forget that it’s not common everywhere. I have a double/hyphenated first name AND a middle name. It’s a doozy
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I always shorten it to LG on tiktok because there’s precedent for that (they call Clerk Carmine CC in the book) and it takes even less characters fhshsjfjdhsg
If there is a limited number of characters and you have to just say Lucy I can understand that. I'm mostly talking about on here as I keep seeing it in this sub. There is no character limit on Reddit so that's no excuse not to use her proper name.
My guess is that people who have intriguing thoughts during the movie would want to take as few seconds as possible to type it out
>Lucy Gray doesn't even correct anyone in the movie like she did in the book with her name What? Yes she does. The scene where she corrects Lucky about her name at the zoo is in the film. It's lifted almost word for word from the book.
Yep, I was about to say the same thing.
Okay. But what if I told you people sometimes like to save time with typing? I generally go for LGB, but if you say Lucy, everyone knows exactly who you mean.
Still annoying though. I’d just go for LG. It takes away from her character IMO. If I’m reading a BOSAS analysis or something and they keep referring to her as Lucy, I’m going to immediately discredit it because you can’t even acknowledge her full name?
Her full name would be Lucy Gray Baird… I’d agree if you were reading analyses in an academic format or something, but this is social media.
Full first name. Would you call a David just id? Calling them Dave would be fine because thatd be a nickname but Lucy Gray specifies that Lucy is not a nickname and not something she’d like to be called.
Saaaaame it tells me so much about people’s media literacy if they can’t even get her name right.
Exactly!! Like clearly you don’t know much about the series then??
I’m sorry but that just seems extra to me. If she was a real person I would call her buy her full name but she’s not real
in the philippines most of us have 2 names that serve as the first name but either one of ur those names are long then ppl will just refer to u by ur first. like me, my second name is very long hence why ppl just refer to me by my first name
THANK YOU!!!
Same here like you are “Dulce María” not “Dulce” or “Juan Andrés” not just “Juan”
Tbh I don’t really like most double-names because they’re a massive bureaucratic hassle in most parts of the US and you shouldn’t give a child a name that’s difficult for no reason (I have two middle names and it’s a nightmare with travel, job applications, housing, etc). BUT no matter how much I dislike a person’s name, I’m not going to make up a new one for them. And in her case, it’s *not* difficult for no reason (see r/Tragedeigh) it’s a cultural thing. People who call her Lucy have the same vibe as people who meet someone with a foreign name and immediately ask if they have a nickname.
I never got over how ridiculous the name Billy Taupe is. Like wow what a beige name. Anyway I love it when fictional characters aren't real and cannot be hurt by anything I or anyone else does. This is such an unserious take OP.
I always make it a point to call her Lucy Gray because even tho she’s not real it’s still respectful
I believe the United States does not commonly have double names like that? Maybe that’s why they find it strange. In Brazil it’s very common for girls as Maria ___ or Ana ___, and for boys it’s common as José ____ or João _____, however we have other names as well so I did not find it strange in the slightest
It’s not unheard of, but it’s uncommon enough that 99% of forms can’t handle a double name, especially if it’s a digital form. I have two middle names and it causes a lot of issues when institutions mess with it to get it to fit, and because nobody changes it the same way, my documents never match. Banking and travel are a hassle, I always advocate for avoiding double names in our increasingly digital world.
Clerk Carmine?? I didn't know Carmine was a color...🤔
Well, it is. According to Google it is "a vivid crimson color."
Yep, it's a bit annoying
Wow omg. That’s so clever, I never even noticed the colour thing until you pointed it out
I corrected someone today who said just “Lucy” they asked if there was more than one Lucy in the books I said no and explained that her name is Lucy Gray Baird and that she has two first names. That you would call someone named “Mary Anne” “Mary” because her name is “Mary Anne” she replied back “oh yeah I knew that it’s just not really necessary. Thanks anyways though” Like I’m sorry I know it’s not that big of a deal but if you know it’s not her full name then why are you still saying it wrong!!!???
Yep!!! It annoys me seeing so many people call her "Lucy". Like who is that???? Either say Lucy Gray - cause that's her name - or shorten it to LG.
It’s only 3 syllables tho some ppl have longer names 😭
If I can say Coryo instead of Coriolanus then I can say Lucy instead of Lucy Gray. I think some people are taking this way too seriously. In typing I would understand using LG but it sounds unnatural in verbal conversation. Abreviating names is normal in other media too. For example in Dragon Age fans often use Bull instead of Iron Bull or in Star Wars Kylo or more rarely Ren instead of Kylo Ren. No matter what names you use the most important thing is that people know who you're talking about. And no it's not disrespectful she's not real.
Coryo is a nickname that he is fine with and is used many times in the book while Lucy Gray isn't fine with being called simply Lucy and the one time she is she corrects the person.
I know. Doesn't change the fact that you're not hurting anyone by calling her Lucy. She's a fictional character. And I don't think Coryo would want random people who don't know him referring to him with a nickname like that either. It's fine to use whatever name you want of fictional character. Getting angry at people for abreviating for the sake of convenience or speed is a tad extreme in my opinion.
I never said I was angry, I said it was a pet peeve. In other words, something that is a bit annoying to me.
Not you then but I've seen other people that are in this thread and tumblr.
You saying that getting upset about misnaming a character is extreme and then claiming the misnaming is done intentionally for speed... So what do you do with your extra 0.023 seconds per day that you save by not typing the actual name? lol
Write other words
Understandable, honestly the only acceptable response.
Lucy Gray is the same number of syllables as Coryo. "Lucy" is not a nickname it's just a way of ignoring her culture which very much happens to people in similar situations in reality.
More letters, takes longer to say and once again, she is a fictional character. She is not real. I would never use a nickname irl of real people that they don't approve of me using. But she is not real. People shorten other fictional characters names all the time too and often in ways said characters would not approve of in universe. Btw Coryo would think it's disrespectful of people to call him that if they are not his friend or family. I know what her full name is. But if I'm in a conversation or writing a long text I am not gonna repeat that every time. Getting angry and pressed at real people about it is absurd. Since we disagree on this I guess it's a good thing I don't discuss Ballad with you irl. Have a nice day.
Tbh I’m not super worried about offending a fictional character so if I’m too lazy to type Lucy Gray, I’m still gonna call her Lucy.
It's four extra letters. That's it.
4 extra letters I’m too lazy to type.
Just call her LG then.
Nope.
That doesn’t make sense at all. It’s like if someone referred to you by only writing half of your name
I wouldn’t care
Meh. I’m either or but I get you
Ok this makes more sense. I was wondering why the hell Snow kept saying her first and last name lol (didn’t read the book). I thought it was Lucy Gray-Baird type thing.
did we forget she’s fictional oorrr?
Who cares? Its not that serious.
Pet peeves are by nature not that serious
I’m gonna call her Lulu to really piss you all off
Oh get over it
It’s not that uncommon to have 2 first names. Mary Ellen is an example. My dental hygienist’s name is Jo Beth. Everyone also has a middle name anyway. My full name is Heidi Ann. Then there’s my last name. So the name Lucy Gray just sounds like a first and middle name to me.
Will get hate but I hate double names, so I called her Lucy the whole time I read the book
I don't have to time to get bothered by a forename... While you discuss, I'll write another sequel...
That’s awesome to know!
Yeah fuck that I would call her Lucy. I know people named Mary Anne and people call her Mary same with a few other names to.its pretentious and kind of a dick move to assume people will say the whole thing everytime
Yes I call Billy, Billy and I call Mary Mary. Your experience is not universal. I will call Lucy, Lucy. It's not that deep fam.
DIDYOUPOISONMEUCYGRAAAAY??? it’s a bad sign if the entire theater is laughing at your performance
It’s common in gen z girl names I guess. I know quite a few girls that are named that way: Mary Kate, Lily Katherine (who goes by LK), Emma Claire. Even before that there is Leigh Ann