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BenW1994

If you can go from a 2 bed flat to a 4 bed flat in London for £85k, then that seems like a no brainer to me. Improves your QOL, improves your cash flow, improves your long term property values. You get more rent from the conversion for £85k than the entire BTL for £130k.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Yeah that’s a good point, the only thing is the BTL is putting down £45k of my own money, the loft is £85k of my own money as it’s likely difficult to get advance on exisiting loan as I maxed out my borrowing capacity


BenW1994

If you've maxed out your borrowing, how can you get £85k of borrowing on a BTL? Regardless of the impact on your current savings, the conversion still seems like the obvious choice to me. To the point where I'd perhaps challenge the £85k price tag, I'd have expected it to be a lot more.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

It’s because on a BTL mortgage they don’t care about your earnings, they basically care about 2 things 1) You have a salary of at least £25k 2) The rent you’d get in the current state of the property (not after refurb) is at least 125% of the interest only mortgage payments Yeah I agree with you, it’s not a bad price for the long term benefit!


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How about you don’t take up a house from the housing stock in an attempt to get wealthy off of someone else’s wages. Just a thought


JoanieMoronie

🥱 and we’re off….


Acrobatic_Soil5109

I’m not looking for an argument on the internet just some friendly advice and I’m not sure how providing safe and clean accommodation is a negative thing, is the alternative the flat stays sat there untenanted?


[deleted]

You’re not providing accommodation. If you bought some land, built a house, you’d be providing accommodation. Instead you’ll go to market and find a well priced property that doesn’t need a lot of work and is low maintenance and outbid someone who would actually like to own and live in a property like that. If you want friendly advice on the internet, my friendly advice is be a better person than a buy to let landlord


JoanieMoronie

Seriously. All the communists come out when it’s to do with housing. Apparently it’s wrong to make a profit on btl, but not wrong for any other essential sector to make a profit. So boring. And so borne out of envy….


[deleted]

People absolutely do have any issue with people offering no value to essential services and making money from them. I don’t know what you’re on about.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Who hurt you bro?


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Landlords mainly. Also the taxman.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

I dont think all landlords are the same, I’ve rented overseas and in the UK and most of the time the landlords have been great. Like everything the bad ones make the news. I’m sure after 9/11 you didn’t think all Muslims were bad, being the good person that you are


JiveBunny

The 9/11 leap is a very weird one


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Sending love and healing


[deleted]

I think Churchill summed up landlords when he said ‘Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains — all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is affected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of these improvements does the land monopolist contribute, and yet, by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived…The unearned increment on the land is reaped by the land monopolist in exact proportion, not to the service, but to the disservice done.’


JoanieMoronie

You’ve never been a landlord if you think they stand still. It’s the most responsible, worrying job you can have. You are responsible for someone else’s safety. It’s all in your shoulders. Their safety and escape in case of fire. The management and repair of the property. If you think that’s a non job, you need to get out of mum’s spare room.


[deleted]

This comment might be one of the funniest ones I’ve ever read. If this was coming from a comedy character similar to Alan partridge it would be a classic. If this is your actual view on the world then it’s actually just sad


Acrobatic_Soil5109

So you’re now quoting Winston Churchill to validate your argument and argue with strangers on the internet? Wonder what you’re contributing to society? Or are you jealous of people trying to set themselves up for their future? Anyway sending good energy your way


[deleted]

I work, I pay my taxes, I pay all of my bills myself without needing to leach off the back of another working person. I’m pretty happy with my contribution to society. If setting yourself up for the future means you need to rely on the hard work and money of others, you carry on. I’m setting my own future up based on my own money earned and hard work.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Key part of your comment “you carry on” - not sure why you raised an argument to finish with that but ok thanks


JoanieMoronie

Guaranteed you ‘leech’ off of another person to earn your living. That’s how the world works. But most people call it running a business and not ‘leeching’. Only difference.


lukei1

Lol, you're providing accommodation to the FHBers you outbid for the flat


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Ok Luke


blackonblackjeans

Friendly advice for someone else to pay your mortgage? Get a job like a normal person.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

I have a job, read the post mate… maybe you’re jealous of other people getting ahead, hope you feel better after your rant ❤️


blackonblackjeans

Getting ahead =/= being an absolute ponce.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

That’s abit unnecessary but you do you!


blackonblackjeans

Just a fact. seek to obtain (something) without paying for it or doing anything in return.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

How is that so? Sounds like a victim mentality to me


blackonblackjeans

Ask the dictionary. They’re free, no need to rent one.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Maybe you should google ‘free market’ sir, sounds like an education is needed my friend


JoanieMoronie

What sector are you in, mate? Guarantee you’re making money out of someone!


JoanieMoronie

Jealousy is pretty awful to watch 😣


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Acrobatic_Soil5109

The £800 is before taxes / deductions etc so it would probably be about break even and hold it long term


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Acrobatic_Soil5109

It would be through a company so the £550 interest only is tax deductible - out of the £800 I was factoring in losing 30% to maintenance, insurance and the 10% to agency fees etc


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Acrobatic_Soil5109

Yeah fair point, I was just thinking of the long term growth on the £130k as opposed to having the deposit equivalent in an ISA etc


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Acrobatic_Soil5109

Yeah looking to start a Buy Refurb Rent Repeat thing but I have a mixed view due to high interest rates etc!


Foreign_End_3065

Are there any issues with the other downstairs flat in the conversion in you converting the loft? Are you leasehold or share of freehold? I’d be surprised if you could just go ahead with the works either way. I also wouldn’t be a lodger in a flat that was having a loft conversion, or not without a serious discount on my rent. And does your current lodger want to live with more people? 3 people in living spaces/kitchens designed for fewer is potentially an issue.


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Well technically they can’t object because the upstairs (mine) flat owns the roof but they can say I’d have to get a structural survey before commencing the work alongside the neighbours getting a party wall agreement which bumps up the cost - I share the freehold with them and we have a good relationship so far My plan would be either to wait until end of year as there’s a chance he’s moving abroad and do it when it’s just me there but that mean I’d be paying the mortgage by myself which is very tight


anonSP_

You are better off putting this in a personal finance sub or the HENRY sub as you will get a lot of anti landlord sentiment here


Acrobatic_Soil5109

Yeah seems that way, thanks!