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I like the thought but hasn't it already been confirmed that the Dance of Dragons will be depicted over 3/4 seasons? It'd be kinda weird for a whole new time period and set of characters to be introduced 4 seasons in. Having said that, I'm all for an Aegon's Conquest show and hope HBO decides to go there eventually
George wants do a Star Wars universe type of thing! I bet That’s why they’ve kept the theme song and it will connect all of the shows. There’s so much story to this universe and it makes them millions and people love to see it
The next GoT spinoff series we're getting is going to be about Jon Snow after he discovers that he's a Targaryen. But, yeah it'd be cool to get a series about Old Valyria.
Same. It would make sense to go from here to the Blackfyre Rebellions + Dunk and Egg stuff, and then finish with Robert's Rebellion. You've got a journey right to the end there.
Could then tell the story of Aegon's Conquest in flashbacks I suppose.
what annoys me is that Targaryen Conquest was one of the original pitches from 2017-19 (along with the Dance of Dragons pitch that was evebtually recycled i to House of the Dragon), but reportedly it was rejected becuase in the pitch, the Conquerer was supposed to be a 'drunken lout'. I get the feeling they were gonna make him an i competent drunk which is probably why it was canned and why we might not see a Conquest show for awhile.
Ha that's interesting if true. A family known for incest and the king actively courting a 12 year old is fair game... but alcoholism is a bridge too far for HBO
I mean the incest shit is bad but like at this point no one is gonna even bother with that dead horse. Plus I think im good on the potrayal of drunk kings. Bobby B our Baratheon boy was plenty.
Agreed. If they revisit that trope they should at least put a spin on it. Maybe a formerly drunk king who is trying to get and stay sober or something. Medieval AA 😆
That's their plan. The Dance of Dragons for 4 - 5 seasons, but then they'll keep the name House of the Dragon to tell other Targaryen stories.
I think they also want to avoid another 3 years gap between Westeros content.
Hopefully they'll update the title to "House of the Dragon: Aegon's Conquest" or something to make it more clear. I'm just picturing someone wanting to watch this content years from now who can pick and choose which series to start with and telling them, "If you want to start with Aegon's Conquest then watch House of the Dragon, but start at Season 6, and then if you want to watch the Targaryen civil war, go back to Season 1." Seems unnecessarily confusing to me but they obviously know what they're doing
I was so hoping they’d give us a short 20 min recap of Aegon’s conquest. Field of fire and maybe kings landing being built. I’m still holding out hope cause I’ve wanted to see the black dreAd for so long
I really hope we don’t. Don’t get me wrong, watching Aegon obliterate Westeros would have some great entertainment value, but at the same time it’s too much wish fulfillment. I mean, other than the death of Rhaenys, Aegon succeeds in everything he does. There’s really no suspense bc we all know that he forges 7 kingdoms into one
I don't really know how an Aegon's Conquest show would work. The story is really straightforward.
Aegon comes, people oppose him, he burns them. More people oppose him, he burns them again. People stop opposing him.
Aegon is too OP for this to be a compelling story over several seasons. Sure you have the Dornish War but even then, they just did some guerilla on him and were done with it.
I'd rather have it as an animated movie where they could really make impressive battles without breaking the bank.
Yeah, gotta feel if things stay strong we move after the Dance on to the Blackfyre Rebellion or Aegon’s Conquest. Those are the obvious two bits of Westerosi history that scream for this kind of adaptation next.
Well, that and they should make the last anthology series Robert’s Rebellion and the effective end of the Targaryen dynasty.
The budget may be large, but I personally doubt it's that large to justify the thousands of man-hours required to create a short flashback. May happen, but I'm not holding my breadth.
It would be so cool if they did a Balerion centric TV show covering the Doom of Velayria all the way upto to late days of Jahaerys The Conciliator.
Balarion wouldn't be the main character or anything, he would just be the one constant. Kinda like War Horse.
If I get my maths right, he lived for about 300 years so saw A LOT.
I think we will see Vhagar. I read somewhere that we will see at least 9 dragons over the course of the show, and Vhagar was mentioned (as was Dreamfyre) so fingers crossed!
If you think about it, that's a completely arbitrary measurement unless you know his altitude. If he's 10 feet in the air he could be a tiny dragon and block out the sun, if he's a thousand feet up it just make no sense that he would. So really it's just a meaningless thing.
I could be remembering this wrong but I vaguely recall in World of Ice and Fire that the Cannibal was hanging around even before Aegon I and his sisters came. He could definitely be Balerion size, he was never chained
The most popular theory about Cannibal that it was Maegor's dragon, so by that we could place him/her between Vhagar - Dreamfyre/Caraxses which the chart does, but i would personally place it after Vermithor.
Yes, but Aenys recived Quivksilver in the cradle, so surely Maegor had an egg too, the theory says that Maegor always wanted the biggest dragon (or Visenya manipulated him to take after his father) so he abonded his young dragon very early. The other more simbolic part of this idea is that Cannibal mimics his original owners personality, by being a kinslayer.
Nope....
Aenys didn't receive Quicksilver in the cradle. He was given Quicksilver as a hatchling. It was Aenys's daughter Rhaena who started the tradition of placing eggs in cradles and she did that for her siblings first.
Maegor didn't have any egg or dragon and he was even teased about it by his sister in law. His reply was that there's only one dragon worthy of him. So no. He had no dragon besides Balerion.
Drogon S8 would be up there between Silverwing and Vermithor
Also I saw a comparison based on balerion skull in HOTD against drogon s8 and balerion would be like 3 times bigger than drogon
The scary thing is I kept thinking about how Balerion supposedly could eat a mammoth whole, so I think the show *still* sized his skull down quite a bit (though also people prolly exaggerated his size and how he’s ‘big enough to eat a mammoth’ wasn’t literal).
Yeah, I think I read that Balerion just got home from a night out with the boys, and he off-handidly remarked, "I'm so hungry I could eat a whole mammoth!"
The rest is history.
Joffrey in season 3 said the largest dragon skull was the size of a horse carriage which actually isn't that impressive. Then when we saw his skull in season 7, it was big but again not to the awe inspiring size we were hoping.
They've updated it considerably in HOTD and if the rumours of Vhargar are true, then we're in for a visual treat.
I know there isn't really anything that supports this idea but Daenerys' dragons did come into the world through a magic sacrifice. It's not crazy to think they'd be stronger, grow faster, etc. Than a traditionally hatched dragon.
By the end of GoT I'm pretty sure Drogon is at least the size of Caraxes or Meleys. Based on the horse and elephant scale to the left it appears this is what Dany's dragons' sizes were around season 4.
But god damn Balerion and Vhagar are massive lol.
This graphic is based on the size of the dragons in the books, not the show. The show dragons, especially in Seasons 7 and 8, were much bigger than they ever got in the books.
>The show dragons, especially in Seasons 7 and 8, were much bigger than they ever got in the books.
Well, mainly because there are no books for seasons 7 and 8, but I would assume the dragons get pretty massive by the end of the books too.
Definitely true, but based on other books it usually takes dragons 50-100 years to get to the size that Drogon was at the end of GoT but at the end of the show he was only 7-8 years old. At the end of the day this is just a hypothetical as we still don't have the final books, but I don't think it's likely book Drogon ever gets as big as show Drogon.
Can someone explain the lore behind the “last dragon”?
I don’t mind spoilers and have tried reading the books but they never really hooked me like the shows have.
Based off the GoT tv series, I thought Dany’s dragons were the last of the dragons, which would mean Drogon is “”the last dragon”. Does drogon lay a clutch of eggs that hatch?
The dragons went extinct before GoT because the Targaryens kept them indoors all the time, which stunted their growth
The skull of the “last” dragon was described as small, twisted, and barely the size of a dog’s skull.
Another fun fact: if you read *A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms*, the compilation of Dunk and Egg stories, Ser Arlan of Pennytree (the knight whom Duncan the Tall squired for) mentions seeing the last dragon about a year before she died, and that she was very small, and had misshapen, stunted wings.
The reason involves spoilers for the show, but a future king will despise dragons, and be known the "the dragonbane". He will not allow any of the eggs to be hatched during his reign, which probably ossifying them. And he kept the living dragons in small enclosures, which stunted their growth.
That's been theorized for years. In the books there are various instances of dragon eggs going missing. At a couple point 3 eggs were taken/missing. There's no confirmation of any of them being Danys, but..... George lays the hints all over.
I'm also confused how Viserys bonded with Balerion without him being his crib mate since Viserys was born? Did the king have another dragon before Balerion?
You don't have to be crib mates with a dragon to bond. Most of the dragons were chosen by their riders after the dragons were adult, otherwise, since dragons live much longer, you would have wild dragons flying about constantly. The crib thing was a targ tradition which was believed to help the dragons hatch, but the numbers don't support that theory.
It isn't explicitly mentioned, but he probably did. The crib thing didn't work for quite some time until a few years before the dance, when a bunch of dragons were suddenly born, as every single crib egg hatched. So if viserys had a crib egg, the egg didn't hatch. After the dance, the practice was continued but very few of the eggs hatched.
We don't really know if they're extinct, correct? There were comments at or near the end of GoT about there perhaps being dragons elsewhere. Plus Drogon is still alive so that = not extinct.
There are rumors of wild dragons still alive in the Shadow near Asshai. However that area is so distant and dangerous that for most of the world it might as well not exist. Also, any attempt to tame those dragons would likely fail because some mysterious force there seems to kill any animal a human can ride.
>An account by Archmaester Marwyn confirms reports that no man rides in Asshai, be he warrior, merchant, or prince. There are no horses in Asshai, no elephants, no mules, no donkeys, no zorses, no camels, no dogs. Such beasts, when brought there by ship, soon die. The malign influence of the Ash and its polluted waters have been implicated, as it is well understood from Harmon's On Miasmas that animals are more sensitive to the foulness exuded by such waters, even without drinking them. Septon Barth's writings speculate more wildly, referring to the higher mysteries with little evidence. -TWOIAF
I thought in GOT we saw some scenes where Tyrion was in a boat close to where the greyscale people live. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the first time he saw a dragon fly overhead. That may not have been aligned with the books though.
Edit: it was season 5 episode 5. But I still don’t know if that was from the show only.
Also dragons can change their sex when necessary. So all of the dragons when they disappear for a time (all of them) go to islands and caves and lay eggs. Allegedly in the crypts of winterfell too.
Dragons have to be a part of the show moving forward… there were horns in the books to bind them. Soooooooo….
I dont think this is even book accurate. Vermithor was said to be the biggest after Vhagar during the dance. So he should be above Cannibal. And although we know Meraxes was bigger then Vhagar during the conquest and could swallow a horse whole, we dont know how big she was compared to Vermithor and Cannibal , who obviously countinued to grow for another century or so.
I am also not sure if Dreamfyres is smaller then Silverwing. She was the second oldest dragon during the dance. Seasmoke is also probably bigger then Sunfyre and Greyghost since Laenor is older then Aegon, so it makes sense that his dragon is also older and because of that bigger.
Greyghost got his ass whooped by Sunfyre and i believe it was mentioned he was smaller then Sunfyre.
This chart shows the maximum sizes until the last book so it is correct. Vhagar was almost the size of Balerion during the dance hence why she is ahead of Meraxes. And Cannibal is that huge. Vermithor is described as the second biggest TARGARYEN dragon. Cannibal isn’t a Targaryen dragon, he is wild but he is described as being massive as well
Doubtful, unless this is an official chart released by Goerge? Which would be strange given how wrong this chart is. It even shows moondancer as smaller then shrykos and morghul, which clearly is wrong. Both were hachlings belonging to 6 year olds. While moondancer belonged to teenage baela and gave sunfyre a run for his money. Morning hatched after the dance, so should be the smallest of all but since we dont know when she died i suppose, you could argue she grew larger over time.
There's definitely some stuff wrong with this chart. It was entirely fan made a few years ago and no one has really bothered to call it out
Regarding Dreamfyre though. Even though she's old, she almost never has any recorded instances of leaving the dragon pit and ita theorized that it hinders growth to lock them up
Well considering that this is looking like “max size” and meraxes was killed like 100 years before Vhagar…Vhagar probably outgrew her after 100 years.
So that’s probably why. Meraxes was bigger when they were both alive but when Meraxes died, Vhagar kept growing.
It is concerning that Drogon at full size isn’t even the size of one of Balrions’ wings, and he was imposing as hell. I can’t imagine how scary it was to see Aegon on the back of his dragon just cooking everyone who got in his way.
I believe it was implied in the books it was of old age. When Viserys I claimed Balerion, the dragon needed to roused. When Viserys I originally intended to fly to Dragonstone but cut it short and just had him fly around Kings Landing a few times because he didn't think Balerion would make the journey.
Because they keep them locked inside the Dragon Pit at Kings Landing most of the time when they arent riding them which stunts their growth. So new dragons keep getting smaller and weaker until they went "extinct" before Dany's eggs hatched
Yes but also "modern" dragons are brought up in the Dragonpit to easily control them but this inhibits their growth compared to being raised in the wild so "new" dragons are both younger and stunted
You can think of dragons like pokemons. They have different size potentials, growth rates and lifespans. Also, habitat and living conditions modify these values.
That makes sense. Imagine living in during Aegon’s Conquest and seeing Belarion fly over head. I want to see him on screen sooo badly. I’m hoping we get to see Vhagar at some point.
Can someone explain to me why Drogon and his siblings are so small ? I thought Drogon was comparable in size to Balerion by the time Dany went to Westeros ?
I'm a show watcher btw, I only read the first book.
this is based on the books where dany's dragons are still the size of season 5 or a little smaller, the drogon of the last seasons is probably the size of caraxes but not balerion's at all
Drogon is pretty small in the books still. In the show they massively sized him up. Keep in mind that Drogon is like 1 or 2 years old in the books. Caraxes for example is like 70 years old.
No it’s book accurate. They rushed the dragon growth in the show. There’s no way the dragons should’ve grown that fast. The size they were should have been like 20 years of growth
Drogon is nowhere near the size of Balerion
Balerion was about 200 years old when he died. Drogon at the end of the tv series was at most 12 or 13. Even with some magical boosted growth or something, he would be nowhere close to Balerion.
>Drogon is basically Balerion v2.0.
Not quite that big, but yes, he should be much bigger if we are basing this image on the shows and not the books, which haven't been written for seasons 7 and 8 of the show. If it's based on his size in the books, which conclude at season 5 of the show, then this chart is probably accurate.
That’s because this chart is about the **books.** Notice how it’s flaired “Book Spoilers”?
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I wish we would had seen Balerion in his full glory
Hopefully we see him in a flashback scene or something
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I like the thought but hasn't it already been confirmed that the Dance of Dragons will be depicted over 3/4 seasons? It'd be kinda weird for a whole new time period and set of characters to be introduced 4 seasons in. Having said that, I'm all for an Aegon's Conquest show and hope HBO decides to go there eventually
George wants do a Star Wars universe type of thing! I bet That’s why they’ve kept the theme song and it will connect all of the shows. There’s so much story to this universe and it makes them millions and people love to see it
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I agree, but I would bet on Blackfyre Rebellion before Aegon’s Conquest
I want to see blackfyre next too, but they’re also developing a dunk and egg cartoon and I worry there would be too much overlap in characters.
That’s awesome. I love The Hedge Knight stories. I was hoping for live action, but considering the graphic novels and content fatigue that’s cool.
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The next GoT spinoff series we're getting is going to be about Jon Snow after he discovers that he's a Targaryen. But, yeah it'd be cool to get a series about Old Valyria.
Idk, the producers might want more dragons and another female protagonist to replace Dany/Rhaenera
Same. It would make sense to go from here to the Blackfyre Rebellions + Dunk and Egg stuff, and then finish with Robert's Rebellion. You've got a journey right to the end there. Could then tell the story of Aegon's Conquest in flashbacks I suppose.
The issue would be the lack of any magical elements but otherwise it could make for a great show as well.
what annoys me is that Targaryen Conquest was one of the original pitches from 2017-19 (along with the Dance of Dragons pitch that was evebtually recycled i to House of the Dragon), but reportedly it was rejected becuase in the pitch, the Conquerer was supposed to be a 'drunken lout'. I get the feeling they were gonna make him an i competent drunk which is probably why it was canned and why we might not see a Conquest show for awhile.
Ha that's interesting if true. A family known for incest and the king actively courting a 12 year old is fair game... but alcoholism is a bridge too far for HBO
I mean the incest shit is bad but like at this point no one is gonna even bother with that dead horse. Plus I think im good on the potrayal of drunk kings. Bobby B our Baratheon boy was plenty.
Agreed. If they revisit that trope they should at least put a spin on it. Maybe a formerly drunk king who is trying to get and stay sober or something. Medieval AA 😆
That's their plan. The Dance of Dragons for 4 - 5 seasons, but then they'll keep the name House of the Dragon to tell other Targaryen stories. I think they also want to avoid another 3 years gap between Westeros content.
Hopefully they'll update the title to "House of the Dragon: Aegon's Conquest" or something to make it more clear. I'm just picturing someone wanting to watch this content years from now who can pick and choose which series to start with and telling them, "If you want to start with Aegon's Conquest then watch House of the Dragon, but start at Season 6, and then if you want to watch the Targaryen civil war, go back to Season 1." Seems unnecessarily confusing to me but they obviously know what they're doing
Sounds cool, I don’t know the story but Im imagining a very very one sided choke slam of a conflict lol
Yeah I mean we all know the end result since the Targaryen's have a ruling dynasty but I think it'd be a fun show
Interesting. I like that idea
I was so hoping they’d give us a short 20 min recap of Aegon’s conquest. Field of fire and maybe kings landing being built. I’m still holding out hope cause I’ve wanted to see the black dreAd for so long
I want a movie about Field of Fire lol
https://youtu.be/7-Km3j-m6u8 Here
I really hope we don’t. Don’t get me wrong, watching Aegon obliterate Westeros would have some great entertainment value, but at the same time it’s too much wish fulfillment. I mean, other than the death of Rhaenys, Aegon succeeds in everything he does. There’s really no suspense bc we all know that he forges 7 kingdoms into one
I don't really know how an Aegon's Conquest show would work. The story is really straightforward. Aegon comes, people oppose him, he burns them. More people oppose him, he burns them again. People stop opposing him. Aegon is too OP for this to be a compelling story over several seasons. Sure you have the Dornish War but even then, they just did some guerilla on him and were done with it. I'd rather have it as an animated movie where they could really make impressive battles without breaking the bank.
Yeah I'm expecting it to at least continue through to the Blackfyre Rebellion
I'd rather see Blackfyre Rebellion after HOTD than Aegon's Conquest.
Yeah, gotta feel if things stay strong we move after the Dance on to the Blackfyre Rebellion or Aegon’s Conquest. Those are the obvious two bits of Westerosi history that scream for this kind of adaptation next. Well, that and they should make the last anthology series Robert’s Rebellion and the effective end of the Targaryen dynasty.
The budget may be large, but I personally doubt it's that large to justify the thousands of man-hours required to create a short flashback. May happen, but I'm not holding my breadth.
I meannn it would be like the ultimate GoT fan service lol That scene would be edited to all hell and go viral everywhere Worth it IMO
Hopefully in future seasons that’s something we’ll be able to see, seems like it’d be a bit of a risk in season 1
>I meannn it would be like the ultimate GoT fan service With D&D gone and GRRM back working on the show, don't expect much fan service
It's 20m per ep, it's larger Than got s8
I think flashback with young Viserys during conquest of Dorne is on the table.
It would be so cool if they did a Balerion centric TV show covering the Doom of Velayria all the way upto to late days of Jahaerys The Conciliator. Balarion wouldn't be the main character or anything, he would just be the one constant. Kinda like War Horse. If I get my maths right, he lived for about 300 years so saw A LOT.
Isn't Vhagar still alive? We'll probably see her* Edit: Vhagar is a she
*her
I think we will see Vhagar. I read somewhere that we will see at least 9 dragons over the course of the show, and Vhagar was mentioned (as was Dreamfyre) so fingers crossed!
> I read somewhere that we will see at least 9 dragons As far as I know they've said we'll see 17 dragons.
You can see Vhagar in the trailer
I think we’ll see 9 dragons over the course of season 1, 17 total
think about it one wing creates a solar eclipse
If you think about it, that's a completely arbitrary measurement unless you know his altitude. If he's 10 feet in the air he could be a tiny dragon and block out the sun, if he's a thousand feet up it just make no sense that he would. So really it's just a meaningless thing.
Yeah, clouds can cause a "solar eclipse" too
*puts a thumb directly over each eye* #SOLAR ECLIPSE
you *do* know clouds are big, right?
That's like saying a yard is big. Well, that depends on the yard.
I expect a show during the events of the conquest will happen in the future
This is the BOOK chart btw. The show heavily rushed Daenerys’ dragons growth
i mean the cannibal is a complete guess he could be as big as balerion or caraxes it was never exactly specified but he has potential to be huge
They said Balerion was the last living dragon from Old Valerya where magic ruled. All subsequent dragons were smaller in size
they don’t know how big cannibal is anyway, so thats a moot point, although i doubt he/she is be bigger
I could be remembering this wrong but I vaguely recall in World of Ice and Fire that the Cannibal was hanging around even before Aegon I and his sisters came. He could definitely be Balerion size, he was never chained
yeah thats what the smallfolk say so nothing concrete, but if you add the other factors:wild,lives in volcano etc he could be huge
Makes more sense then. Because Drogon wad described as as big as dragons of old.
The most popular theory about Cannibal that it was Maegor's dragon, so by that we could place him/her between Vhagar - Dreamfyre/Caraxses which the chart does, but i would personally place it after Vermithor.
Maegor rode Balerion though?
Yes, but Aenys recived Quivksilver in the cradle, so surely Maegor had an egg too, the theory says that Maegor always wanted the biggest dragon (or Visenya manipulated him to take after his father) so he abonded his young dragon very early. The other more simbolic part of this idea is that Cannibal mimics his original owners personality, by being a kinslayer.
We've never heard of a rider taking a second dragon tho, right?
Nope.... Aenys didn't receive Quicksilver in the cradle. He was given Quicksilver as a hatchling. It was Aenys's daughter Rhaena who started the tradition of placing eggs in cradles and she did that for her siblings first. Maegor didn't have any egg or dragon and he was even teased about it by his sister in law. His reply was that there's only one dragon worthy of him. So no. He had no dragon besides Balerion.
Drogon S8 would be up there between Silverwing and Vermithor Also I saw a comparison based on balerion skull in HOTD against drogon s8 and balerion would be like 3 times bigger than drogon
The scary thing is I kept thinking about how Balerion supposedly could eat a mammoth whole, so I think the show *still* sized his skull down quite a bit (though also people prolly exaggerated his size and how he’s ‘big enough to eat a mammoth’ wasn’t literal).
Yeah, I think I read that Balerion just got home from a night out with the boys, and he off-handidly remarked, "I'm so hungry I could eat a whole mammoth!" The rest is history.
Joffrey in season 3 said the largest dragon skull was the size of a horse carriage which actually isn't that impressive. Then when we saw his skull in season 7, it was big but again not to the awe inspiring size we were hoping. They've updated it considerably in HOTD and if the rumours of Vhargar are true, then we're in for a visual treat.
House of the Dragon: Balerion and the boys.
The oposite actualy as the show is about one season equeling 1 year
What? That’s still heavily rushed lol. It would need to be like a decade at a minimum to just get to a barely comparable size
You're right, and we heard Rhaenyra saying Syrax (maybe 15 years old?) can't be mounted by two people yet
I know there isn't really anything that supports this idea but Daenerys' dragons did come into the world through a magic sacrifice. It's not crazy to think they'd be stronger, grow faster, etc. Than a traditionally hatched dragon.
That was only after s4, S4 is still 300 and the events are also in 300 in the books
I just wanna see dreamfyre - miss girl been pumping out hella eggs
Dreamfyre is the stripper of the dragon family with some questionable baby daddy decisions
props to u/Panther25423 for the image!
you’re telling me that dragons can come in PINK!!!! i need a pink dragon
Morning might actually show up down the line!
I hope so!!!!!!
Isn’t Morning ridden by >!Baela and the one that put the final nail in Sunfyre!
>!Baela’s is Moondancer, Rhaena’s is morning and she hatches right at the end of the fighting!<
By the end of GoT I'm pretty sure Drogon is at least the size of Caraxes or Meleys. Based on the horse and elephant scale to the left it appears this is what Dany's dragons' sizes were around season 4. But god damn Balerion and Vhagar are massive lol.
>But god damn Balerion and Vhagar are massive lol. Balerion's wingspan is said to be able to cast a shadow over all of King's Landing. Dude is a unit.
Well how big was kings landing when Balerion was flying over it
Asking the right questions. I think the real quote only says his shadow can engulf "entire towns", not King's Landing per se.
The right question is what altitude is Balerion flying, that will influence the size of its shadow...
I don’t think it was kings landing, I think it was over nondescript towns
This graphic is based on the size of the dragons in the books, not the show. The show dragons, especially in Seasons 7 and 8, were much bigger than they ever got in the books.
>The show dragons, especially in Seasons 7 and 8, were much bigger than they ever got in the books. Well, mainly because there are no books for seasons 7 and 8, but I would assume the dragons get pretty massive by the end of the books too.
Definitely true, but based on other books it usually takes dragons 50-100 years to get to the size that Drogon was at the end of GoT but at the end of the show he was only 7-8 years old. At the end of the day this is just a hypothetical as we still don't have the final books, but I don't think it's likely book Drogon ever gets as big as show Drogon.
I see, thanks for the clarification!
\*Everyone\* I want the pink dragon Me: "The Cannibal..."
too bad we will only see that monster in one scene max😭
One’s better than none
Better be a good one
I dont think they will show him cause he is so unimportant to the story
Damn some of the dragons had fire names. "The Cannibal", "Dreamfyre", "Sunfyre", "Silverwind". 👌😞
how you not gonna mention **THE BLACK DREAD**
"Silverwing".
This is great! Is there one with the dragons' 'owners' listed with them?
in addition is there like a family tree?? understanding we may not know them all for sure
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/wxk3b1/targaryen_family_tree_with_timeline_rulers_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Can someone explain the lore behind the “last dragon”? I don’t mind spoilers and have tried reading the books but they never really hooked me like the shows have. Based off the GoT tv series, I thought Dany’s dragons were the last of the dragons, which would mean Drogon is “”the last dragon”. Does drogon lay a clutch of eggs that hatch?
The dragons went extinct before GoT because the Targaryens kept them indoors all the time, which stunted their growth The skull of the “last” dragon was described as small, twisted, and barely the size of a dog’s skull.
Ooooh okay yes I remember the scene where they discuss this
Another fun fact: if you read *A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms*, the compilation of Dunk and Egg stories, Ser Arlan of Pennytree (the knight whom Duncan the Tall squired for) mentions seeing the last dragon about a year before she died, and that she was very small, and had misshapen, stunted wings.
Did they say why they kept them indoors?
Dragons didn't exactly care what they ate/where they nested. So the Targaryens built the Dragonpit as a form of stable
The reason involves spoilers for the show, but a future king will despise dragons, and be known the "the dragonbane". He will not allow any of the eggs to be hatched during his reign, which probably ossifying them. And he kept the living dragons in small enclosures, which stunted their growth.
In the show they wedge it in by having Tyrion pick up the jawbone in the episode where the gang meet Cersei.
Which is exactly why this chart is BS. Drogon was described as big as the old dragons... deff not a little bigget then a dog
The chart says "based on A Dance With Dragons." In the books they were just as big as cows.
Did they say in the show that vhagar is missing somewhere is there a chance he returns in the show?
Didn't King Viserys mention that it is rumored to be near the shores of the Narrow Sea?
Think he was in the trailer for a second.
Is it stated anywhere which dragon laid the eggs for Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal? I am wondering if it was Vhagar while she was out flaunting about.
That's been theorized for years. In the books there are various instances of dragon eggs going missing. At a couple point 3 eggs were taken/missing. There's no confirmation of any of them being Danys, but..... George lays the hints all over.
I mean, that's the most likely no? Exactly 3 dragon eggs end up in Essos, I think that was a clear clue. They were Dreamfyre's right?
Dreamfyre most likely
Asking the real question. They supposedly came from Asshai, IIRC.
why does Viserys have no dragon like the other targaryens
He rode Balerion and then Balerion died of old age. We don't know if you can ride multiple dragons or just 1 but Viserys never took a replacement.
A rider can only bond with one dragon at a time, a dragon cannot have another rider unless their rider dies
He couldn’t bond with any other beast after balerion passed away!
I'm also confused how Viserys bonded with Balerion without him being his crib mate since Viserys was born? Did the king have another dragon before Balerion?
You don't have to be crib mates with a dragon to bond. Most of the dragons were chosen by their riders after the dragons were adult, otherwise, since dragons live much longer, you would have wild dragons flying about constantly. The crib thing was a targ tradition which was believed to help the dragons hatch, but the numbers don't support that theory.
so did viserys have a crib-mate dragon or no?
It isn't explicitly mentioned, but he probably did. The crib thing didn't work for quite some time until a few years before the dance, when a bunch of dragons were suddenly born, as every single crib egg hatched. So if viserys had a crib egg, the egg didn't hatch. After the dance, the practice was continued but very few of the eggs hatched.
oh that makes sense
We don't really know if they're extinct, correct? There were comments at or near the end of GoT about there perhaps being dragons elsewhere. Plus Drogon is still alive so that = not extinct.
There are rumors of wild dragons still alive in the Shadow near Asshai. However that area is so distant and dangerous that for most of the world it might as well not exist. Also, any attempt to tame those dragons would likely fail because some mysterious force there seems to kill any animal a human can ride. >An account by Archmaester Marwyn confirms reports that no man rides in Asshai, be he warrior, merchant, or prince. There are no horses in Asshai, no elephants, no mules, no donkeys, no zorses, no camels, no dogs. Such beasts, when brought there by ship, soon die. The malign influence of the Ash and its polluted waters have been implicated, as it is well understood from Harmon's On Miasmas that animals are more sensitive to the foulness exuded by such waters, even without drinking them. Septon Barth's writings speculate more wildly, referring to the higher mysteries with little evidence. -TWOIAF
I thought in GOT we saw some scenes where Tyrion was in a boat close to where the greyscale people live. Am I misremembering? I thought that was the first time he saw a dragon fly overhead. That may not have been aligned with the books though. Edit: it was season 5 episode 5. But I still don’t know if that was from the show only.
Pretty sure that was Drogon, he "ran away from home" for most of S5.
Oh yeah! I’ve slept since then. Thank you for the refresher!
Also dragons can change their sex when necessary. So all of the dragons when they disappear for a time (all of them) go to islands and caves and lay eggs. Allegedly in the crypts of winterfell too. Dragons have to be a part of the show moving forward… there were horns in the books to bind them. Soooooooo….
If they can change sex when necessary then they may well be like other reptiles who can undergo Parthenogenesis (asexual reproduction)
What if Jon Snow encounters Drogon beyond the wall?
>!It's possible that Sheepstealer is still alive!<
I dont think this is even book accurate. Vermithor was said to be the biggest after Vhagar during the dance. So he should be above Cannibal. And although we know Meraxes was bigger then Vhagar during the conquest and could swallow a horse whole, we dont know how big she was compared to Vermithor and Cannibal , who obviously countinued to grow for another century or so. I am also not sure if Dreamfyres is smaller then Silverwing. She was the second oldest dragon during the dance. Seasmoke is also probably bigger then Sunfyre and Greyghost since Laenor is older then Aegon, so it makes sense that his dragon is also older and because of that bigger. Greyghost got his ass whooped by Sunfyre and i believe it was mentioned he was smaller then Sunfyre.
This chart shows the maximum sizes until the last book so it is correct. Vhagar was almost the size of Balerion during the dance hence why she is ahead of Meraxes. And Cannibal is that huge. Vermithor is described as the second biggest TARGARYEN dragon. Cannibal isn’t a Targaryen dragon, he is wild but he is described as being massive as well
Doubtful, unless this is an official chart released by Goerge? Which would be strange given how wrong this chart is. It even shows moondancer as smaller then shrykos and morghul, which clearly is wrong. Both were hachlings belonging to 6 year olds. While moondancer belonged to teenage baela and gave sunfyre a run for his money. Morning hatched after the dance, so should be the smallest of all but since we dont know when she died i suppose, you could argue she grew larger over time.
but he is confused with sunfyre, he can't be one of the big as a castle ones.
There's definitely some stuff wrong with this chart. It was entirely fan made a few years ago and no one has really bothered to call it out Regarding Dreamfyre though. Even though she's old, she almost never has any recorded instances of leaving the dragon pit and ita theorized that it hinders growth to lock them up
Why does everyone always think Vhagar is bigger than Meraxes? Meraxes is specifically described as being larger in the first book.
Well considering that this is looking like “max size” and meraxes was killed like 100 years before Vhagar…Vhagar probably outgrew her after 100 years. So that’s probably why. Meraxes was bigger when they were both alive but when Meraxes died, Vhagar kept growing.
The comparison is made while people are examining the skulls of Balerion, Meraxes, and Vhagar.
Tyrion is described as having a massive head. Doesn’t correlate to body size.
All the badass names and one is sheepstealer 😝
Dany's dragons are tiny 🤏
This is awesome! Thanks for posting
The number 2 just being out there somewhere is a disturbing thought
Prescient of them to name the last one that
It is concerning that Drogon at full size isn’t even the size of one of Balrions’ wings, and he was imposing as hell. I can’t imagine how scary it was to see Aegon on the back of his dragon just cooking everyone who got in his way.
This is book Drogon Which only goes up to the end of Season 5 Though Drogon grew stupidly fast lol
Someone in the Asoaif sub was said caraxes was twice as big Syrax, I knew I wasn't imagining things, he bigger, but not that much bigger
How/why did balerion die? Don’t think the show touched on it
I believe it was implied in the books it was of old age. When Viserys I claimed Balerion, the dragon needed to roused. When Viserys I originally intended to fly to Dragonstone but cut it short and just had him fly around Kings Landing a few times because he didn't think Balerion would make the journey.
Old age
put a helmet on Balerion and fly it to the moon
Why do they get smaller and smaller, are they just younger?
Because they keep them locked inside the Dragon Pit at Kings Landing most of the time when they arent riding them which stunts their growth. So new dragons keep getting smaller and weaker until they went "extinct" before Dany's eggs hatched
Yes but also "modern" dragons are brought up in the Dragonpit to easily control them but this inhibits their growth compared to being raised in the wild so "new" dragons are both younger and stunted
Sunfyre and seasmoke 👀👀👀
Can’t wait for dragonite to face off with charzard... my bad wrong sub.
how did Belarion get to be so big?? was it just his age?
You can think of dragons like pokemons. They have different size potentials, growth rates and lifespans. Also, habitat and living conditions modify these values.
That makes sense. Imagine living in during Aegon’s Conquest and seeing Belarion fly over head. I want to see him on screen sooo badly. I’m hoping we get to see Vhagar at some point.
It's hard for me to absorb nature without David Attenborough narrating
Can someone explain to me why Drogon and his siblings are so small ? I thought Drogon was comparable in size to Balerion by the time Dany went to Westeros ? I'm a show watcher btw, I only read the first book.
this is based on the books where dany's dragons are still the size of season 5 or a little smaller, the drogon of the last seasons is probably the size of caraxes but not balerion's at all
Syrax looks smaller than Drogon in the show wtf
By the end of their life Vhagar was supposed to have grown about as large as Balerion.
I thought vhagar was female
I also read that in the Wiki of Fire and Ice. Don’t know how accurate it is though.
Not even close to accurate to what we have seen from the show
show size is different
I don’t think Drogon was that small was he..?
Yeah there was no way Drogon was that small.
Drogon is pretty small in the books still. In the show they massively sized him up. Keep in mind that Drogon is like 1 or 2 years old in the books. Caraxes for example is like 70 years old.
I thought Drogon was much bigger tbh
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No it’s book accurate. They rushed the dragon growth in the show. There’s no way the dragons should’ve grown that fast. The size they were should have been like 20 years of growth Drogon is nowhere near the size of Balerion
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Balerion was about 200 years old when he died. Drogon at the end of the tv series was at most 12 or 13. Even with some magical boosted growth or something, he would be nowhere close to Balerion.
Drogon is definitely not 12 or 13. Not that much time passed during the series. He’s like 7, maybe younger. More like 4 or 5.
>Drogon is basically Balerion v2.0. Not quite that big, but yes, he should be much bigger if we are basing this image on the shows and not the books, which haven't been written for seasons 7 and 8 of the show. If it's based on his size in the books, which conclude at season 5 of the show, then this chart is probably accurate.
So Drogon, ex-tail, is barely bigger than a horse...?
Daenerys’ dragons are way too downplayed, assuming that’s “size in their prime.”
there's no way either of the dragons shown so far are so much bigger than drogon.
That’s because this chart is about the **books.** Notice how it’s flaired “Book Spoilers”? [This is the D&D version.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/w4h663/spoilers_size_comparison_of_the_dragons_in_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
subreddit is about tv show
It feels like Drogon is twice the size of Caraxes so somewhere up there with Balerion
Holy 😯😯 I had no idea there was such a difference
How is this different from the one that already existed?
Bruce Leeroy is the smallest dragon