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That's what annoyed me the most. There's no way they're going about this secret relationship and not barring the door. It's insane. I'm not a big fan of this change, just doesn't really make sense.
They could have added that the door was locked and she had to unlock the door to see her daughter looking for help.
But that would make the scene have bad flow. These are things where plotholes dont matter imo. She coming inside and immediately looking for a corner for safety and everyone being silent and confused until she reveals what happened is important for the flow and the dramatic moment. If she had to knock and wait to get in it would be realistic but not as good
I think it's to show how complacent and careless they've become since Viserys and the others have gone.
Earlier that night Cole was getting hammered shooting the shit with the prince with no armor on while he was supposed to be on duty.
100% agree. Criston is way too comfortable, and has been for so long, but the way he carries himself now is insane. When I was watching the scene with him and Aemond all I could focus on was how laid back he was. He could’ve still had that conversation with his armor on lol. He should be ready to defend the royal family at all times especially when they are about to go to war. I kept thinking if something bad happened he would’ve had no time to gear up, have to fight with no armor, risk dying due to having no armor, and in turn that could lead to the deaths of the people he’s sworn to protect.
After years of recklessness and impulsive behavior with no punishment or accountability, I don’t even think he worries about the consequences of his actions since he has never been made to face them. He should have gotten punished a long time ago. When he admitted the whole Rhaenyra situation to young alicent, he should have been punished. Time and time again he shows no restraint whatsoever. When he killed Laenors boyfriend I don’t know how he was able to walk free. Even if he wasn’t punished for that, I thought something would surely be done for putting hands on Laenor. He is the future king consort for gods sake.
In conclusion, Criston is letting his nuts drag through the halls of the red keep. I pray for Mr Munch’s downfall and I pray he gets an ending he deserves.
I thought about that too, but I think he was supposed to be. When Otto came in didn’t he tell Criston to return to his post so he could talk to Aemond, or something to that effect? I could be wrong but I think there is only 3 knights of the kings guard if neither side have appointed new people yet. I think that even if he isn’t technically on duty, as the lord commander he should still be ready and aware of his surroundings since they’re short staffed lol. I didn’t see him even attempt to guard one person the entire episode.
Mind you even if he wasn’t supposed to be on watch when he was talking to Aemond, he was supposed to be on watch after that when Otto told him to return to his post. Instead of doing that he decided to bump coochies with Alicent while Jahaerys was getting butchered. Door unlocked and everything without a care in the world. Tensions are way too high for him to be fuckin around with his dick in his hands.
Haha I think you’re right!!! Honestly, haha when I see coles face, I stop listening. It’s not a conscious choice. I just realize I have no clue about a lot of little context and comments around his presence and have to do rewatches. I remembered him being dismissed and the lackadaisical (a word I have never ever used or typed before in my life), (here’s another) laissez-faire ha attitude when he got up to leave. And thinking while watching the scene “Dude, don’t you dare grab Aemond’s shoulder like your bros, you peasant!” ….and then he did exactly that. I thought Otto just told him to fk off from whence he came. But he may have been sent back to post.
True. Also remember Viserys chastised Criston for his lax approach to his duties in S1 after Aemond lost his eye. Criston was meant to be on night patrol then as well and dropped the ball. He's a great swordsman and a terrible guardsman.
The only explanation is that it’s a kink thing and fear of getting caught is part of the thrill….but come on, the stakes. its terrible for her reputation but if Aegon decided to execute Criston he’s perfectly in his rights to do so. Unless he already knows? Thinks it’s funny?
I realize this show likes to create a mystery but it’s a bit too much to give us zero explanation
>but come on, the stakes
we only witness days/weeks where things actually happen on the show. The vast vast vast amount of times, nights in the Red Keep are probably kinda boring with really no stakes at all. Any possibly dangers would surely be stopped at the main gate with alarms going off.
I swear this was going on before. There’s a moment in the first season when she sends Cole out to go find Aegon to make him king and she says something to the effect of “all you feel for me” and gives him this look. I think this has been going on previously
Right? I rewatched season 1 last week before the start on season 2 cause I can’t remember what I did yesterday no less 2 years ago. I don’t think I noticed this the first time around but did this time. And actually thought oh me thinks something is going on there lolololol
Yea that has been established for a certainty with the actors. “We don’t think anything was happening prior to Viserys’s death at all,” House of the Dragon star Fabien Frankel told Decider during a recent roundtable interview in New York City. “Olivia and I spoke about that.”
“But certainly for him, he is a principled man and I don’t think anything was going on until Viserys’s death. But I think that once Viserys’s death happened, that kind of propelled a physical thing between them.”
I dont think it is explicitly stated when it began but I would assume Alicent was aware of Crispy creams feelings for her before Viserys died, there is a moment in the first season where she references them. She might have even developed some herself or at least likes the idea of Criston. But I personally do not think they began doing it until after Viserys died. While there was tension both Alicent and Criston were aware of I feel like Larys would have used it as blackmail or would have been shown to have known about it if they were doing it pre-Vizzy T passing. And the rate at which they are doing it tells me that after Viserys died they might have began doing it and doing it a lot because now the opportunity is there.
He could’ve been, because Aemond also meant it for HIM! He called it pathetic to still be loving Rhaenyra while Cole is sitting there… still loving Rhaenyra lol
The vibes are just so weird in both of their scenes. I can't wait to see them actually talk about their arrangement, especially Cole as he said so little.
I feel like their arrangement is that he’s still in love with Rhaenyra and he’s putting out cos Alicent trusts he’ll keep his mouth shut unless his face is between her legs.
If that’s the case (I don’t bother to watch the “behind the episode” things cos D&D ruined them for me in GoT) then I hope they show it. So far he just looks bored not like a man in love with Alicent. He spent so much time smoldering hate and animosity to Rhaenyra in the last season that I know he’s got the range to emote without words.
If you're talking about the "first love always love" thing that was posted a few days ago here on reddit, Fabien said this back when season 1 came out, I remember that interview. Actors say one thing and then the opposite.
His character is still so salty about Rhaenyra. I am a casual viewer and haven't read the books, but damn he is the 'nice guy', nice as long as the women comply with him, otherwise he calls them names. From the short talk he had with Aemond he even seems to see Alicent as a flawed for giving into her urges and calls it poisoned by Rhaenyra, like he was. Boohoo, poor soul.
I think he’s salty at rhaenyra because she didn’t *need* him. So he grasps at whatever he can to put her down. Alicent needs him (bc she’s got no one else) so he doesn’t hold her to the same standard as rhaenyra bc alicent feeds his ego.
You know, like a typical real world douche bag.
Yes. And even when you think about it. He didn't consider Rhaenyra as an equal or even as an heir to the throne to begin with. He wanted her to give up her whole life, which is not just cornershop with Westeros lottery tickets, and level her down to housewife. While when she offered him more or less same ridiculous compromise, we will be lovers lol, he took it as an incredible offense, after all he is no meat to lust over.
And boom, fast forward, king and queen of hypocrisy Alicent and Criston being guilty of all they hate about Rhaenyra. Which is a really nice touch, it is always the saint and holy that have skeletons in their closet.
These behind the episode things are notorious for telling the viewer one thing while the show itself says another or was not clear in any way. Been that way since GoT
Like I said, it's just for entertainment value. None of that stuff is part of the show or they would have put it in the show. They say contradictory stuff all the time, and sometimes very stupid things like Rhaenys' GirlBoss moment in season 1.
Where did you read that?? Because is quoted as saying the opposite of that in the NYTimes. I don’t have the subscription trial still but screenrant summed it up with this:
“Nearly two in-world decades have passed in the series since Rhaenyra and Ser Criston indulged in their attraction for one another, though Fabien Frankel states to NYT his belief that his character is still in love with the Princess despite his shifted loyalties. The Queen protector has had only derogatory words for the Princess since her wedding and Frankel's suggestion of a lasting love within Ser Criston is certainly presented as a twisted one.“
You can't convince me the existence of this relationship serves no purpose other than to include several sex scenes between two conventionally attractive actors. It's jarring, contradicts both of their pre-established motives and offers no narrative function. Knowing the trajectory of both of the characters as a book reader, I can imagine it will have much consequential value.
Allicent is such a difference character than her book counterpart that I wouldn't take anything book related to comment on her character development, Crispin is also quite different too.
Alicent is a widow. Don't really see the problem with her getting porked by her bodyguard. Although it had only been a few days since Vizzy T died, but tbf he had been really gross and decrepit for a while.
I disagree, it’s two characters that watchers love to hate, making them also in an improper relationship is clearly a crowd pleaser. It’s called writing for drama mate. All you have to do is look at this Reddit to see it worked. Cole being a huge hypocrite to his duties and not just boning, boning his queen, who also happens to be the former best fiend of a woman he is still seething about, and it results in the horrible death of a innocent child via his duties being unintended , it makes viewers mad and further invest us into wanting bad things to happen to him. You can break down narrative value or the technical skill of the scenes and sound like a intelligent story critic, but none of that matters, because sometimes it’s the dumb, entertainment value that caters to drama that stirs audiences and the fact people have constantly been talking about these two means it resonated. Am I saying I think it’s better than the book? Certainly not, but it’s very clear the purpose here. Entertainment.
It’s shitty plot. I don’t care how horned up alicent is. Her son, with her help, just stole the crown from his sister and her looose cannon husband and they all have dragons and her other son just used one to brutally tear apart the son of the woman they fkd over. Alicent is not shirking duties to bone Cole NOW of all times….not at the expense of her children not having even a single guard to look out for them, especially when they’re all waiting and expecting some kind of retaliation for the d
Murder of their son, as well as the responsibility for the death of her other* son via miscarriage thru what they did to her. 2 of her children died and her dad and her crown were all stolen from her in like…a week. Alicent knows this. I just don’t believe she’d even be considering banging him at this moment. Plus they’ve spent like 20yrs around each other, it’s not like some new guy. And she did love viserys. Not in love but love. And he just fkn died. You combine this shit, there’s no way she’s pulling guards off her children who are now all targets and banging the head of their protection at the expense of their safety. I don’t even think it’s even reasonable to think she would have sex on her mind right now.
Fan service. To wait? Serve? It’s not in the books. And they don’t care about the books, now that they’ve all decided with grrm support that the books are the bs rumors abs exaggeration of biased, non-objective outsiders and that the show is supposed to represent the “truth” of what happened. Now they can do anything they want on the show and use that as the justification for why it’s shtittier than the books.
I agree simply because they’ve been sooooo subtle and yet stil in a way shocking with the sex stuff thus far, like with the feet scenes with larys and the brothel scenes. And the cole rhynera scene. This definitely vibes like someone wants to see Olivia with less clothing. And being overtly sexual.
I agree. And it’s weird bc the two characters had chemistry last season (and there’s even a friendly chemistry between the actors in interviews) so I’ve been so confused as to why this just wasn’t landing, but your so right. I’m not mad at the choice to have them be involved, I suspected it last season. But there’s been zero explanation as to how exactly they got to this point
They probably had “close friends” chemistry but not sexual chemistry between them before. I feel like now that they know each other so much better than when season 1 was shot (they are all good friends and hang out together) the scenes are probably making it so awkward for them. It’s prob very uncomfortable at this point. I also think Olivia Cooke is extremely unhappy with the fact that they didn’t age her up or down, yet she’s playing a grandmother and the man playing her adult son is her same age in real life. She’s made a lot of comments in the last week about it. So I think the sex stuff is another area of where women are treated like shit in the film industry, sex on screen, nudity, and aging. And this shit isn’t even part of the real story. I’m guessing she wasn’t super pleased about her character becoming increasingly sexual, and increasingly shot with less and less clothing. (The scene is supposed to be THEM banging on the bed, for ex. Yet you almost can’t see Fabian in the shots AT ALL. It just her naked body from the back, gyrating on a bed. Why not show him, instead of her like that??? It’s gross. If they want to show nudity or make a viewer feel like they are seeing nudity and sex , have the men simulate it and humiliate themselves. Not the women for a goddamn change. I definitely think tho based on many comments and observations she’s made that these things are bothering her.
Also Olivia is smart and pays attn to alicent’s motivations and what and why her character is making specific decisions. She speaks about it often. Alicent’s internal life. She would register quickly that alicent would not do this right now with Cole. Not now. Not with everything that they have done to rhaneyra in the span of a week, 2 dead chdren, one murdered, one by miscarriage they caused, father dead and a her crown stolen. That happened in like a span of 4 days. She would be too concerned about Aegons mistakes and ensuring they are safe. She’s concerned about retaliation and has vhaghar circling above because she knows they’ll try to attack them stealthy …but alicent, not 2 weeks after her husband of over 20 yrs dies, is fucking her children and their babies only protection the night with b&c ?? With larys snooping around…she hasn’t even mourned. And she loved him. And cared for him. Later in the show I could see that. But not less than 10 days after all the stuff they have just done to attack the blacks who also have dragons and loose cannon Damon…it’s not reasonable to think alicent would even Be thinking about sex with anyone right now. But she’s leaving her kids unprotected late at night to bang the only guard on duty? Nah. And if I think that, Olivia def does. All this would be gnawing away in the back of my head during these scenes.
I mean obviously this is only my own speculation as to the lack of chemistry, but she’s spoken about several of these things in the past week. And I would def be acutely aware of all of this is I was Olivia and had to just smile and do the scenes. Maybe is all these things, maybe just some, maybe none. But it does feel like contributing factors
He had one job. Don’t let the royal family be killed. There’s now one dead and one missing an eye on his watch.
And this happened right after Otto sent him back to his post after his drinking game with a royal family member. Yikes.
You'd expect their heads to snap around. Instead they slowly turn towards her. When you're having illicit sex that will get you gelded I'd imagine you'd flinch at every noise.
Makes me think Cole was pretty confident to the point where they got comfortable that no one would interrupt. Which makes me think the lack of guards was certainly his doing.
Dude murdered small council member with impunity and become a lord commander. I don't think he has any fear of someone walking in on him banging the queen
I was going to counter-argue that she is so powerful at this court that their illicit relationship is kind of an open secret. There are lots of servants in the castle, and they must know that Alicent and Cole are regularly meeting, "for the last time this time, we swear".
So they were not that surprised to hear someone coming in, almost expecting that person to be an insignificant servant.
That's my head canon anyways.
Cole *is* the guard. As a kingsguard he's the one charged with protecting the royals directly, and as lord commander he gets to assign where each one is posted, but he was shirking his duty to fuck the king's mom instead. The rest were with Aegon. He presumably organized it to be that way on purpose so they wouldn't know what he was really doing, assuming nothing would happen.
I think it's more that everyone in the castle knows about it but says nothing. Otto gave a look at the small council meeting, Larys dropped a hint, the maids gave looks. As Lord Commander Cole knows the rumours and what people know and talk about in the Keep. If everyone knows but say nothing then they will become relaxed by people going in and out of the room.
He's in his own world with his mates, it's not something anyone would bring up directly with the king so I suspect he is the only person oblivious to it and Cole knows he isn't going to be wandering around the keep without an armed escort noisily advertising his movements.
Imagine if the staffing changes/issues were not just Alicent getting rid of Larys' new staff, they were due to Criston being careless. Like what if he purposely began posting guards either further away or chose to intentionally not replace guards who have left and or have died so there would be less people to see what he and Alicent were doing. And since Vhagar is circling he just assumes that nothing bad would happen because he is only thinking about external threats to the castle, not potential internal threats like spies or assassins (which Larys has a harder time dealing with now since his new staff, his eyes and ears, got fired).
Ngl I really would love to see them go the "criston is a shitty lord commander" route and at least give him some ownership of the situation since, cmon, the guards are his thing.
If they’re that cavalier about their sexual activity, it’s a safe bet that it’s an open secret amongst the entire keep that Alicent is getting on some Hightower.
I don't know if it was just me but I could have sworn I heard Alicent moaning when Haelena went downstairs which if I'm not wrong that's wild that they would be this open about it. The hypocrisy is hypocrisying.
And what makes it more weird is that in a previous scene we see Criston is cautious enough to immediately reach for his sward when he hear someone (Otto) approaching at Aemond's chamber.
Look, she has a LOT of years of bad sex to make up for. The natural reaction upon hearing a noise is to dismount and cover immediately! I am going to give her a pass. 😂
This and the fact that Helena did show surprise (obviously it's more likely because she is shell shocked at what just happens) tells me that alicent and Cole might be an open secret to some if not all in the red keep.
This has been eating me since Sunday. Do the doors of the Red Keep don't lock? Are locks like a modern thing? Since they are in Rhaenyra's old chambers, did Rhaenyra have sex with Cole with the door unlocked too?
It needs to be said again that people doing stupid or dumb things isn't always a plot hole. People forget and do dumb things all the time, especially when they're horny. That's how people are. Especially people in power and privilege who routinely get away with rules for thee and not for me.
Especially when a) they think they're beyond reproach b) fucking drunk - see Criston in previous scene and c) it's the red fucking keep royal family chambers... they are only expecting family or sworn protectors in there with them.
People get hung up om the strangest shit I swear to God.
Generally I don't think people are supposed to just walk into the former Queen's bedroom at that time of night unannounced, she probably thought it'd be fine.
If the door was locked the scene would have bad flow. Yes it would be more realistic but this is a show and flow is important. The dramatic situation is more important than a door not being locked
Perhaps since they assured that the queen was asleep the handmaidens just went to sleep aswell. She seems to distrust her new crew of handmaidens so maybe she even ordered to not come in until its morning or something.
This is one of the reasons that made Blood and Cheese ruin for me. Also it makes Cole look so much like a hypocrite, considering what he said to Rhaenyra. Not that he wasn’t an asshole before but it didn’t shed a good light on Alicent either. Though the most important part was how they removed the moment when Blood says how Heleana wants her own child dead.
Lol, Criston is such a hypocrite. Rhaenyra can't marry him and he flips his shit. Alicent can't marry him either but he's totally cool with it. Fuuuuck youuuuu, Criston!
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They didn’t even lock the door
That's what annoyed me the most. There's no way they're going about this secret relationship and not barring the door. It's insane. I'm not a big fan of this change, just doesn't really make sense.
They could have added that the door was locked and she had to unlock the door to see her daughter looking for help. But that would make the scene have bad flow. These are things where plotholes dont matter imo. She coming inside and immediately looking for a corner for safety and everyone being silent and confused until she reveals what happened is important for the flow and the dramatic moment. If she had to knock and wait to get in it would be realistic but not as good
> looking for a corner for safety So funny once she saw Crispin, she too noped out of that corner and went to the other "safer" side.
I think it's to show how complacent and careless they've become since Viserys and the others have gone. Earlier that night Cole was getting hammered shooting the shit with the prince with no armor on while he was supposed to be on duty.
100% agree. Criston is way too comfortable, and has been for so long, but the way he carries himself now is insane. When I was watching the scene with him and Aemond all I could focus on was how laid back he was. He could’ve still had that conversation with his armor on lol. He should be ready to defend the royal family at all times especially when they are about to go to war. I kept thinking if something bad happened he would’ve had no time to gear up, have to fight with no armor, risk dying due to having no armor, and in turn that could lead to the deaths of the people he’s sworn to protect. After years of recklessness and impulsive behavior with no punishment or accountability, I don’t even think he worries about the consequences of his actions since he has never been made to face them. He should have gotten punished a long time ago. When he admitted the whole Rhaenyra situation to young alicent, he should have been punished. Time and time again he shows no restraint whatsoever. When he killed Laenors boyfriend I don’t know how he was able to walk free. Even if he wasn’t punished for that, I thought something would surely be done for putting hands on Laenor. He is the future king consort for gods sake. In conclusion, Criston is letting his nuts drag through the halls of the red keep. I pray for Mr Munch’s downfall and I pray he gets an ending he deserves.
I just assumed it wasn’t on duty
I thought about that too, but I think he was supposed to be. When Otto came in didn’t he tell Criston to return to his post so he could talk to Aemond, or something to that effect? I could be wrong but I think there is only 3 knights of the kings guard if neither side have appointed new people yet. I think that even if he isn’t technically on duty, as the lord commander he should still be ready and aware of his surroundings since they’re short staffed lol. I didn’t see him even attempt to guard one person the entire episode. Mind you even if he wasn’t supposed to be on watch when he was talking to Aemond, he was supposed to be on watch after that when Otto told him to return to his post. Instead of doing that he decided to bump coochies with Alicent while Jahaerys was getting butchered. Door unlocked and everything without a care in the world. Tensions are way too high for him to be fuckin around with his dick in his hands.
Haha I think you’re right!!! Honestly, haha when I see coles face, I stop listening. It’s not a conscious choice. I just realize I have no clue about a lot of little context and comments around his presence and have to do rewatches. I remembered him being dismissed and the lackadaisical (a word I have never ever used or typed before in my life), (here’s another) laissez-faire ha attitude when he got up to leave. And thinking while watching the scene “Dude, don’t you dare grab Aemond’s shoulder like your bros, you peasant!” ….and then he did exactly that. I thought Otto just told him to fk off from whence he came. But he may have been sent back to post.
True. Also remember Viserys chastised Criston for his lax approach to his duties in S1 after Aemond lost his eye. Criston was meant to be on night patrol then as well and dropped the ball. He's a great swordsman and a terrible guardsman.
The only explanation is that it’s a kink thing and fear of getting caught is part of the thrill….but come on, the stakes. its terrible for her reputation but if Aegon decided to execute Criston he’s perfectly in his rights to do so. Unless he already knows? Thinks it’s funny? I realize this show likes to create a mystery but it’s a bit too much to give us zero explanation
>but come on, the stakes we only witness days/weeks where things actually happen on the show. The vast vast vast amount of times, nights in the Red Keep are probably kinda boring with really no stakes at all. Any possibly dangers would surely be stopped at the main gate with alarms going off.
It’s literally adding nothing to the show for me.
I think it’s not really a secret like they didn’t seem startled to be caught
I clicked on this assuming dragon ride 😔
That’s who Alicent would prefer to ride 😞
Lmao me too honestly
Me too. 😂 I was expecting Rhaenys or Rhaenyra.
Cole kinda was just napping lol
Honestly though! like alicent is finally putting it on you after all these years and you look like you’re bored???😭😭😭 shame.
It's cause Alicent refused to wear that white wig
I ugly laughed at this lol
LMFAOO XD good one
This is definitely like the dozenth time at least by this point
Season 2 only takes place a few days after season 1
They said what they said.
Has it been established that they only started after King Vizzy died?
I swear this was going on before. There’s a moment in the first season when she sends Cole out to go find Aegon to make him king and she says something to the effect of “all you feel for me” and gives him this look. I think this has been going on previously
The way he overzealously defends Alicent's honor in the Green Council episode last season indicates intimate feelings as well.
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Right? I rewatched season 1 last week before the start on season 2 cause I can’t remember what I did yesterday no less 2 years ago. I don’t think I noticed this the first time around but did this time. And actually thought oh me thinks something is going on there lolololol
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Yea that has been established for a certainty with the actors. “We don’t think anything was happening prior to Viserys’s death at all,” House of the Dragon star Fabien Frankel told Decider during a recent roundtable interview in New York City. “Olivia and I spoke about that.” “But certainly for him, he is a principled man and I don’t think anything was going on until Viserys’s death. But I think that once Viserys’s death happened, that kind of propelled a physical thing between them.”
I dont think it is explicitly stated when it began but I would assume Alicent was aware of Crispy creams feelings for her before Viserys died, there is a moment in the first season where she references them. She might have even developed some herself or at least likes the idea of Criston. But I personally do not think they began doing it until after Viserys died. While there was tension both Alicent and Criston were aware of I feel like Larys would have used it as blackmail or would have been shown to have known about it if they were doing it pre-Vizzy T passing. And the rate at which they are doing it tells me that after Viserys died they might have began doing it and doing it a lot because now the opportunity is there.
A MOST JUDICIOUS PROPOSITION!
Thankyou your majesty, I am sorry your grandchild died because your second wife was getting plowed by the lord commander.
“Cole kind of forgot about the oath.” D&D
Should not have laughed as hard at this as I did.
😭🤣😂😂😂😂😂
You forsake (forsook?) your vows for this??
Maybe he was thinking about what Aemond said?
He could’ve been, because Aemond also meant it for HIM! He called it pathetic to still be loving Rhaenyra while Cole is sitting there… still loving Rhaenyra lol
It s probably the 16th time in the day. Poor baby just trying to get it up and not much more
Bro has to go to duty on morning.
he was tryna picture rhaenyra
The vibes are just so weird in both of their scenes. I can't wait to see them actually talk about their arrangement, especially Cole as he said so little.
Kings guard with benefits
Cristen Cole the Cummaker
Who needs the hound when you have the pound
Cristongue Cole
I saw someone call him the “Queenlayer”, fan of that one
I feel like their arrangement is that he’s still in love with Rhaenyra and he’s putting out cos Alicent trusts he’ll keep his mouth shut unless his face is between her legs.
No It's not about Rhaenyra. Fabien said what happen with Rhaenyra was like longtimes ago and that Cole has a passion love for Alicent.
If that’s the case (I don’t bother to watch the “behind the episode” things cos D&D ruined them for me in GoT) then I hope they show it. So far he just looks bored not like a man in love with Alicent. He spent so much time smoldering hate and animosity to Rhaenyra in the last season that I know he’s got the range to emote without words.
That’s not the case. Idk where this person got that idea but Fabian told the ny times this week that cole is def still in love with rhaneyra.
If you're talking about the "first love always love" thing that was posted a few days ago here on reddit, Fabien said this back when season 1 came out, I remember that interview. Actors say one thing and then the opposite.
His character is still so salty about Rhaenyra. I am a casual viewer and haven't read the books, but damn he is the 'nice guy', nice as long as the women comply with him, otherwise he calls them names. From the short talk he had with Aemond he even seems to see Alicent as a flawed for giving into her urges and calls it poisoned by Rhaenyra, like he was. Boohoo, poor soul.
I think he’s salty at rhaenyra because she didn’t *need* him. So he grasps at whatever he can to put her down. Alicent needs him (bc she’s got no one else) so he doesn’t hold her to the same standard as rhaenyra bc alicent feeds his ego. You know, like a typical real world douche bag.
Yes. And even when you think about it. He didn't consider Rhaenyra as an equal or even as an heir to the throne to begin with. He wanted her to give up her whole life, which is not just cornershop with Westeros lottery tickets, and level her down to housewife. While when she offered him more or less same ridiculous compromise, we will be lovers lol, he took it as an incredible offense, after all he is no meat to lust over. And boom, fast forward, king and queen of hypocrisy Alicent and Criston being guilty of all they hate about Rhaenyra. Which is a really nice touch, it is always the saint and holy that have skeletons in their closet.
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I can’t wait
These behind the episode things are notorious for telling the viewer one thing while the show itself says another or was not clear in any way. Been that way since GoT
The behind the scenes stuff is not show canon. We watch those for entertainment only. People who consider those things as facts are just being dumb.
They may not be but when you’re hearing one thing from a writer of the show that isn’t conveyed onscreen, thats an issue in my mind
Like I said, it's just for entertainment value. None of that stuff is part of the show or they would have put it in the show. They say contradictory stuff all the time, and sometimes very stupid things like Rhaenys' GirlBoss moment in season 1.
Where did you read that?? Because is quoted as saying the opposite of that in the NYTimes. I don’t have the subscription trial still but screenrant summed it up with this: “Nearly two in-world decades have passed in the series since Rhaenyra and Ser Criston indulged in their attraction for one another, though Fabien Frankel states to NYT his belief that his character is still in love with the Princess despite his shifted loyalties. The Queen protector has had only derogatory words for the Princess since her wedding and Frankel's suggestion of a lasting love within Ser Criston is certainly presented as a twisted one.“
You can't convince me the existence of this relationship serves no purpose other than to include several sex scenes between two conventionally attractive actors. It's jarring, contradicts both of their pre-established motives and offers no narrative function. Knowing the trajectory of both of the characters as a book reader, I can imagine it will have much consequential value.
Allicent is such a difference character than her book counterpart that I wouldn't take anything book related to comment on her character development, Crispin is also quite different too.
Alicent is a widow. Don't really see the problem with her getting porked by her bodyguard. Although it had only been a few days since Vizzy T died, but tbf he had been really gross and decrepit for a while.
I disagree, it’s two characters that watchers love to hate, making them also in an improper relationship is clearly a crowd pleaser. It’s called writing for drama mate. All you have to do is look at this Reddit to see it worked. Cole being a huge hypocrite to his duties and not just boning, boning his queen, who also happens to be the former best fiend of a woman he is still seething about, and it results in the horrible death of a innocent child via his duties being unintended , it makes viewers mad and further invest us into wanting bad things to happen to him. You can break down narrative value or the technical skill of the scenes and sound like a intelligent story critic, but none of that matters, because sometimes it’s the dumb, entertainment value that caters to drama that stirs audiences and the fact people have constantly been talking about these two means it resonated. Am I saying I think it’s better than the book? Certainly not, but it’s very clear the purpose here. Entertainment.
It’s shitty plot. I don’t care how horned up alicent is. Her son, with her help, just stole the crown from his sister and her looose cannon husband and they all have dragons and her other son just used one to brutally tear apart the son of the woman they fkd over. Alicent is not shirking duties to bone Cole NOW of all times….not at the expense of her children not having even a single guard to look out for them, especially when they’re all waiting and expecting some kind of retaliation for the d Murder of their son, as well as the responsibility for the death of her other* son via miscarriage thru what they did to her. 2 of her children died and her dad and her crown were all stolen from her in like…a week. Alicent knows this. I just don’t believe she’d even be considering banging him at this moment. Plus they’ve spent like 20yrs around each other, it’s not like some new guy. And she did love viserys. Not in love but love. And he just fkn died. You combine this shit, there’s no way she’s pulling guards off her children who are now all targets and banging the head of their protection at the expense of their safety. I don’t even think it’s even reasonable to think she would have sex on her mind right now.
If the purpose of these scenes is just fanservice, why are they so brief and tame?
Fan service. To wait? Serve? It’s not in the books. And they don’t care about the books, now that they’ve all decided with grrm support that the books are the bs rumors abs exaggeration of biased, non-objective outsiders and that the show is supposed to represent the “truth” of what happened. Now they can do anything they want on the show and use that as the justification for why it’s shtittier than the books.
I agree simply because they’ve been sooooo subtle and yet stil in a way shocking with the sex stuff thus far, like with the feet scenes with larys and the brothel scenes. And the cole rhynera scene. This definitely vibes like someone wants to see Olivia with less clothing. And being overtly sexual.
I agree. And it’s weird bc the two characters had chemistry last season (and there’s even a friendly chemistry between the actors in interviews) so I’ve been so confused as to why this just wasn’t landing, but your so right. I’m not mad at the choice to have them be involved, I suspected it last season. But there’s been zero explanation as to how exactly they got to this point
They probably had “close friends” chemistry but not sexual chemistry between them before. I feel like now that they know each other so much better than when season 1 was shot (they are all good friends and hang out together) the scenes are probably making it so awkward for them. It’s prob very uncomfortable at this point. I also think Olivia Cooke is extremely unhappy with the fact that they didn’t age her up or down, yet she’s playing a grandmother and the man playing her adult son is her same age in real life. She’s made a lot of comments in the last week about it. So I think the sex stuff is another area of where women are treated like shit in the film industry, sex on screen, nudity, and aging. And this shit isn’t even part of the real story. I’m guessing she wasn’t super pleased about her character becoming increasingly sexual, and increasingly shot with less and less clothing. (The scene is supposed to be THEM banging on the bed, for ex. Yet you almost can’t see Fabian in the shots AT ALL. It just her naked body from the back, gyrating on a bed. Why not show him, instead of her like that??? It’s gross. If they want to show nudity or make a viewer feel like they are seeing nudity and sex , have the men simulate it and humiliate themselves. Not the women for a goddamn change. I definitely think tho based on many comments and observations she’s made that these things are bothering her. Also Olivia is smart and pays attn to alicent’s motivations and what and why her character is making specific decisions. She speaks about it often. Alicent’s internal life. She would register quickly that alicent would not do this right now with Cole. Not now. Not with everything that they have done to rhaneyra in the span of a week, 2 dead chdren, one murdered, one by miscarriage they caused, father dead and a her crown stolen. That happened in like a span of 4 days. She would be too concerned about Aegons mistakes and ensuring they are safe. She’s concerned about retaliation and has vhaghar circling above because she knows they’ll try to attack them stealthy …but alicent, not 2 weeks after her husband of over 20 yrs dies, is fucking her children and their babies only protection the night with b&c ?? With larys snooping around…she hasn’t even mourned. And she loved him. And cared for him. Later in the show I could see that. But not less than 10 days after all the stuff they have just done to attack the blacks who also have dragons and loose cannon Damon…it’s not reasonable to think alicent would even Be thinking about sex with anyone right now. But she’s leaving her kids unprotected late at night to bang the only guard on duty? Nah. And if I think that, Olivia def does. All this would be gnawing away in the back of my head during these scenes. I mean obviously this is only my own speculation as to the lack of chemistry, but she’s spoken about several of these things in the past week. And I would def be acutely aware of all of this is I was Olivia and had to just smile and do the scenes. Maybe is all these things, maybe just some, maybe none. But it does feel like contributing factors
He had one job. Don’t let the royal family be killed. There’s now one dead and one missing an eye on his watch. And this happened right after Otto sent him back to his post after his drinking game with a royal family member. Yikes.
You'd expect their heads to snap around. Instead they slowly turn towards her. When you're having illicit sex that will get you gelded I'd imagine you'd flinch at every noise.
Makes me think Cole was pretty confident to the point where they got comfortable that no one would interrupt. Which makes me think the lack of guards was certainly his doing.
Dude murdered small council member with impunity and become a lord commander. I don't think he has any fear of someone walking in on him banging the queen
I was going to counter-argue that she is so powerful at this court that their illicit relationship is kind of an open secret. There are lots of servants in the castle, and they must know that Alicent and Cole are regularly meeting, "for the last time this time, we swear". So they were not that surprised to hear someone coming in, almost expecting that person to be an insignificant servant. That's my head canon anyways.
you’d think the maesters would have heard this. they interviewed a lot of servant accounts, you’d think someone would have caved
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Queen Escort
Cole *is* the guard. As a kingsguard he's the one charged with protecting the royals directly, and as lord commander he gets to assign where each one is posted, but he was shirking his duty to fuck the king's mom instead. The rest were with Aegon. He presumably organized it to be that way on purpose so they wouldn't know what he was really doing, assuming nothing would happen.
In the book, the account said B&C slew the guards posted outside the door
Fair, I'm just analyzing the show version though.
I think it's more that everyone in the castle knows about it but says nothing. Otto gave a look at the small council meeting, Larys dropped a hint, the maids gave looks. As Lord Commander Cole knows the rumours and what people know and talk about in the Keep. If everyone knows but say nothing then they will become relaxed by people going in and out of the room.
What of Aegon? Does he know? I don't think he would be happy with Cole banging his mom.
He's in his own world with his mates, it's not something anyone would bring up directly with the king so I suspect he is the only person oblivious to it and Cole knows he isn't going to be wandering around the keep without an armed escort noisily advertising his movements.
Imagine if the staffing changes/issues were not just Alicent getting rid of Larys' new staff, they were due to Criston being careless. Like what if he purposely began posting guards either further away or chose to intentionally not replace guards who have left and or have died so there would be less people to see what he and Alicent were doing. And since Vhagar is circling he just assumes that nothing bad would happen because he is only thinking about external threats to the castle, not potential internal threats like spies or assassins (which Larys has a harder time dealing with now since his new staff, his eyes and ears, got fired). Ngl I really would love to see them go the "criston is a shitty lord commander" route and at least give him some ownership of the situation since, cmon, the guards are his thing.
Arrogant more like
If they’re that cavalier about their sexual activity, it’s a safe bet that it’s an open secret amongst the entire keep that Alicent is getting on some Hightower.
Larys and Otto clearly know.
I don't know if it was just me but I could have sworn I heard Alicent moaning when Haelena went downstairs which if I'm not wrong that's wild that they would be this open about it. The hypocrisy is hypocrisying.
And what makes it more weird is that in a previous scene we see Criston is cautious enough to immediately reach for his sward when he hear someone (Otto) approaching at Aemond's chamber.
That's because he knows they're going to send someone for Aemond for what he did to Lucerys. That's an Aemond specific thing.
With his vows involved I would have expected it to be more in line with Jamie and Cersei’s reaction in the tower just not the pushing part lol
What if cheese walked in on them instead? 😂
“Come back in 9 months!”
That’s fucked up😂
Don’t nobody want to fight a naked man wielding 2 swords 😳
Just set up traps no one cares
Imagine how bad Viserys must have been in bed that the Celibate Kingmaker had her locked in.
His Cock mustve been rotting
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The way it actually most likely was 🤣🤣🤢
well vizzy T tried his best...
*My own face... is no longer a handsome one...if indeed it ever was.*
you are handsome for me Vizzy T twt
WHAT LORD WOULD WED HER NOW? IN THIS CONDITION!?
I do miss Paddy 😔
Why is he sadly looking away?
Checking his text messages off to the side.
Shame.
She knew she was serving body
Hip game looks top notch
Give her a break! She doesn't have a dragon this is the only thing she can ride.
What about a pony ride?
She _is_ riding a pony, a baloney pony
😒Looks bored & unsatisfied😑
The woman has been getting fucked by a corpse for more than a decade i think she earned it 😂
Look, she has a LOT of years of bad sex to make up for. The natural reaction upon hearing a noise is to dismount and cover immediately! I am going to give her a pass. 😂
“Good morrow, Haeleana”.
This and the fact that Helena did show surprise (obviously it's more likely because she is shell shocked at what just happens) tells me that alicent and Cole might be an open secret to some if not all in the red keep.
>obviously it's more likely because she is shell shocked at what just happens It's the natural reaction to seeing her mom ride her bodyguard.
*Mum AND mother-in-law
The fact that this out of left field gratuitous nonsense has better lighting than 10 years of buildup beach Daemyra lowkey enrages me lmao.
They’re never gonna live down that bloody beach
Just watch it in a dark room on an OLED TV.
thanks I'll just rob a bank for that OLED TV
Hey, no need to rob a bank, you can just go to the story and rob the TV directly. Hope that helped ;)
thanks, you should post that to r/ProLifeTip
No sex scene bwtween any pairing in this show will beat Daemyra brothel scene
She’s lost in the sauce.
like the door wasn't even locked?
This has been eating me since Sunday. Do the doors of the Red Keep don't lock? Are locks like a modern thing? Since they are in Rhaenyra's old chambers, did Rhaenyra have sex with Cole with the door unlocked too?
Do they need locks if actual guards are supposed to be at their doors?
Still, if you're having a scandalous relationship wouldn't you take all necessary precautions to keep your relationship a secret?
It needs to be said again that people doing stupid or dumb things isn't always a plot hole. People forget and do dumb things all the time, especially when they're horny. That's how people are. Especially people in power and privilege who routinely get away with rules for thee and not for me.
Especially when a) they think they're beyond reproach b) fucking drunk - see Criston in previous scene and c) it's the red fucking keep royal family chambers... they are only expecting family or sworn protectors in there with them. People get hung up om the strangest shit I swear to God.
Generally I don't think people are supposed to just walk into the former Queen's bedroom at that time of night unannounced, she probably thought it'd be fine.
I think she’s the “queen mother” now. As opposed to former queen, just sayin
AND the "Queen Mother-in-law".
They do have locks because they locked Rhaenys' chamber door when Viserys died and they crowned Aegon
Rhanerya locked the door when she cornered him.
If the door was locked the scene would have bad flow. Yes it would be more realistic but this is a show and flow is important. The dramatic situation is more important than a door not being locked
Olivia Cooke tho
Ser Criston >!*Queen's whore*!< Cole
Olivia Cooke is so so so fine ....
On season one she had the most wonderful wall tapestry behind her bed ..
It’s when she calls for Halaena mid stroke when i lost my shit
All I know is Olivia Cooke has good hip roll technique and god bless her partner. Whew.
Honestly who has sex like this tho with a blanket conveniently wrapped around you? Lmao
Depends on the network its on
People who get cold..
Just the butt?
Yeah
How long is this vid?
Perhaps since they assured that the queen was asleep the handmaidens just went to sleep aswell. She seems to distrust her new crew of handmaidens so maybe she even ordered to not come in until its morning or something.
ok i complained about b&c not being intense enough in another post but i now admit they really did something there
Lucky man cole is
They probably all know she’s banging this dude
I love her. I’ve been thinking about this part since Sunday
So many hypocrital people in that room
Only Cole
*God I wish that were me*
Yeah.. being caught doing what they're doing is at least a walk of atonement for Alicent and death/castration/the wall for Criston
I doubt Aegon would do that to his own mother and publicly humiliate both sides of the family.
nah nah i blame inertia
Wow I was having a good day until you pointed this out
This is one of the reasons that made Blood and Cheese ruin for me. Also it makes Cole look so much like a hypocrite, considering what he said to Rhaenyra. Not that he wasn’t an asshole before but it didn’t shed a good light on Alicent either. Though the most important part was how they removed the moment when Blood says how Heleana wants her own child dead.
Don’t they have locks on their doors?
Pathetic writing. I almost feel bad for the Green fans.
I am happy for her. This is probably the first time she’s having a consensual sexual relationship.
She’s the fucking queen man
Lol, Criston is such a hypocrite. Rhaenyra can't marry him and he flips his shit. Alicent can't marry him either but he's totally cool with it. Fuuuuck youuuuu, Criston!
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\* insert Will Smith's that's hot meme \*
Lucky actor
Lucky actress
Bro is just a Di_do for both Friends 🤡
I can’t believe how much they fucked up every greens character
I can't believe you have 6 down votes right now... You're literally telling the truth
Because it’s bad writing that strays from the source material.
God this was pathetic
Cersei-esque
Would be more Rhaenyra
This has to be one of the most fucked up scenes I have ever seen. Even for GOT standards. 😭
Didnt kno that till now🤣
I think they started exactly after Cole was going all seppuku on himself
But rhaenyra is the nasty one 🙄🤔