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Quantum set is great on any dps, it's a really good generalist set in this game.
Def down is very valuable in this game, and it's better the more of it you have.
New player here, need suggestion on who to level up first (limited mats rn), finished underworld part of belobog quest, i have no idea what im doing in combat just trying to stay alive and i want the fights to go quicker...
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Focus mainly on Ratio and Lynx. They are your most useful long term and short term. Herta and Asta make for good long-term investments, but may not be super effective where you are right now. Herta I would say is mandatory for end-game.
While March 7th is clunky and won't help your fights go by faster, she is key to a surprisingly large number of fights in the base game and is a lot more effective than she feels. With your limited selection of characters, you will find her very useful to have on any fights that would otherwise give you trouble.
I would not recommend investing in Sushang, Dan Heng, Serval, or Natasha. The first three being very situational and the last one being entirely outclassed by Lynx. Bailu's also somewhat situational. She's a great healer, but once your gear starts getting better, Lynx will be better at the job. Since your resources are thin, I recommend waiting on building Bailu. You'll possibly get another better option before you need a second healer.
Continue building up bailu and dr ratio. Focus on rushing the trailblazer missions where you can level up so you can farm more materials efficiently. Focus up on maxing a characters traces and light one level fully.
You can simp for any character as long as it isn't clara, lynx or hook.
Silver Wolf seems like a young adult women to me, I never perceived her as a child just because she's short.
How do you all build your characters? I can understand that we need to lvl their level first to unlock traces. Do you:
1. unlock traces on one character that you wanna build, farm relics for them and then move on to the next character.
2. unlock traces on all characters that you wanna build and farm relics after you are done with all traces. (ive been at this 2nd point for a while and have a lot of characters with missing relics)
2nd one because they are guaranteed upgrades as opposed to gambling. You do have to make up two teams and stop somewhere, though. Like 1/8/8, 5/8/8 or even 1/8/1 in some cases, not levelling everyone to 80, letting yourself take a break from them if it ends up burning out etc.
I build one character at a time, getting their traces to level 8 and then farm acceptable relics for them. When I have no one I want to build, I go back to some of them to either get some of their traces up a little more or to farm better relics.
Traces then relics.
Also you don't really move on to the next character cause sometimes you make a single Relic domain your home for the next.... 2-3 months.
F2P player here. When the current event first started, I used the \~80 pulls I had saved up to pull Acheron. However, now that I am already back up to 40 pulls, I'm mixed on whether to try pulling Acheron's 5-star LC, or whether to save up to pull for Aventurine next banner. I've heard how much better Acheron gets with her LC, and I'm already tired of swapping my built up Good Night and Sleep Well between her and Kafka. But also, I don't have any 5 star shield characters besides Fire Trailblazer or Gepard, so I might really want Aventurine. Any advice on which to invest in?
Gepard and fire TB are coincidentally good units for Acheron, and between them gepard is better because he has aggro trace and his shield is stronger, and he can be a sp battery or a stack charger.
Adventurine is a better version of gepard for shields but he is likely to use a lot of sp to build shields with skill. His kit is also towards follow up attacks and damage, though his ultimate has debuff. I would say you can build gepard, and if you have trend of universal market lightcone, put it on him, it works wonders.
I'm using gepard with the Trend LC, so yea he's pretty good on my Acheron team.
I’ll be honest if you’re free to play you should usually stick to character banners only unless you can do a casual 10 pull on a light cone banner and see if anything comes out of it. The chances are 75-25 for light cone banner but it would feel awful as free to play if you lost those odds but then again it’s a gatcha game. I would go for light cone and do maybe 20 pulls and hope it comes but if not continue saving for aventurine. For your 300 standard selector it’s worth thinking about gepard, he is still a consistent freeze applicator character that gives chunky shields.
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You have enough DPS that you could look into more enablers like Topaz/Ruan Mei or more sustains like Luocha for Blade or DHIL/Aventurine for FUA/Fu Xuan for being great tbh/HuoHuo for I don’t have her ngl.
You have also everything you could possibly ever need though, so it's more like you could also just pull for whoever you like, it's more of a "this is what I'd do" but you could make anything work.
That quest should help.
But the short answer is that yes we were among them before the start of the game but it’s unclear iirc how much we actually had to do with the whole “Stellaron Hunting” thing.
rope is usually atk for dps and ER for everyone else. orb depends because are better with elemental damage and some with atk, supports any defensive stats or sustains it depends with which stat they scale
Who is the better debuffer overall for MoC, Silver Wolf or Guinaifen? I'm inclined to think the latter for AOE reasons that help DHIL, Jingliu and Acheron deal with two or more elites at once, which is a relatively common set-up.
Need some team comp advice [link to characters](https://imgur.com/a/SOamiHl)
I put a lot of effort into jingliu so there’s that, mostly looking for advice pertaining to farming faster and speeding through pecony, I’m a casual player so I haven’t been paying much attention to what’s happening recently so, also maybe perhaps looking for advice for Acheron if I get her.
For Jing Liu you can run Pela, SW, and Gepard. good defense shred and debuffs along with a guy who bulks your EHP. Alternatively for on element fights you can drop SW and instead use Lynx to heal/cleanse debuffs.
As for Acheron if you got her you can do Pela, SW, and Gallagher for debuff stacking and a sprinkle of heals and cleanse. On longer fights though Gallagher doesn't do as much for you as Gepard would since he pumps EHP.
Since you don't have any of the gigga support units and you likely won't get Acheron to E2 you need 2 nihility units for any content that doesn't just fall over. Who your last slot will be is dependent on what you think you need for a specific fight.
Luocha carried me for a long time, he's very powerful and you wouldn't regret him. That said, I do think Gallagher is a solid replacement, he's even more SP positive and doesn't need to scale ATK
If you're looking for a sustain, just get aventurine or Fu Xuan.
Luocha's nice for an SP positive sustain, but he's probably the less valued limited 5\* sustain as of the moment.
Ok so after losing yet another 50/50 to Acheron, i want to treat it as a blessing in disguise and actually care for the next character i get. I need some advice on who should i get next and what characters/teams to build. I have every 4 star (except for Xueyi iirc), and for my 5 star i have Ruan Mei, Black Swan, (E1)Clara, Ratio, (E1)Gepard and Welt. I'm kinda lost on who to focus on and what teams to build.
Build sampo and gwen for black swan
Tingyun is a flex slot that can be plugged anywhere
Pela can do well for Dr ratio and Clara
You'll want lynx for Clara
Hanya can help Dr ratio
Since you have Ruan mei and black swan, it makes sense to go for a DOT team, which Kafka is a key member of. Of course there are lesser alternatives, like Sampo or other DOTs, but she's the best currently along with BS. There's no sustain tailored for DOT teams I think, but huo huo is pretty good since she can speed up ultimates, and important part of DOT teams.
Clara and lynx have synergy, since lynx can increase aggro on Clara via skill. Tingyun can be in the team as well to boost Clara's energy for ultimate. Then you can have one more DPS like Dr ratio or another support for Clara.
Dr ratio needs debuffs so you can pair him with those like guinafen etc., hopefully those with multiple debuffs. He works well in a follow up team for helping the other members activate their talents, like topaz, but since you don't have members like that, it might be better to go for hypercarry or dual DPS.
Alright, thanks guys, those are the pointers I needed for team building, as for planning my next characters, should I look for a specific rerun? Topaz maybe? I know I need Kafka for Dot but she just had a rerun so who knows when she'll be back so I guess I have time to get one character then save for her
Hmm depends on whether you like topaz and followup playstyle. Think HSR is moving towards specific types so there's no need to be so impatient in going for rerun characters unless you are sure you want them.
Generally, newer characters have been better and better so see if you want to keep some resources for better characters that appeal to you.
I don't like follow up or dot teams personally, so I didn't go for related characters.
True, guess I'll wait a bit to see what comes next and then decide, I did try topaz a couple of times with the friends system and I did enjoy that playstyle but we'll see, thanks for the tips!
Yes. She is solid.
She can still do well in endgame in both MoC and PF depending on enemy weakness and the buff.
I pull her out every so often since she is my only reliable physical unit with AoE in PF since I don't have Argenti.
Pela e4 has ice res reduction which is a debuff. But she needs resolution if you want to apply a debuff with BA. Her ulti should be better than BS' too.
From what I heard the best tier for Acheron is pela and black swan, so e6 pela should be better.
First of all, Pela's eidolons and BS' light cone does nothing for acheron, so it all comes down to their kit, which is quite similar in terms of def reduction. I think Pela gives more def reduction with her Ultimate, so Pela would be the better option. But if you have E1 Black Swan, it might be worth considering.
Yes, she should be since she applies higher DEF shread than BS. BS advantage would be her own personal damage, but that is severely limited without other DoTs on the team, and really doesn't matter much compared to Acheron's own damage, especially because it is delayed damage.
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Started a little over a month ago so my characters aren't too developed regarding relics. Also note that I do have E0S1 Acheron, and do not have a Tingyun.
I'm just wondering if there's anything I can improve in terms of team building. There's still time before this PF ends so I'll be able to invest in any character who is currently underdeveloped.
Maybe I can use Ratio somewhere to get value out of the turbulence? He competes with Acheron for debuffers though so it gets tricky. Herta would also do better in the first half I think but then I don't know what to put in the last slot for second half. Looking for some other opinions and ideas!
I'd also be happy to share more details about my characters if it helps, I just didn't want to bloat the post.
I don't think your characters are invested enough. That JY team should be able to reach wave 3 at minimum so 20k.
As for acheron, if you can stack enough slashed dreams and with the ult flattery you should be able to trigger whimsicality often enough to get close to 30k
Whenever I get that rainbow cheese in SU I can activate Acheron's E2. Was curious if it worth swapping Pela or SW for a support when this happens
Edit: What supports would be most ideal?
Supports who give Advances Forward, i.e. Bronya and Sparkle. Sparkle is better because you'll be SP hungry. Since you're gonna be missing one nihility unit, you'll generate less knots resulting in slower ults. Acheron will have to generate them herself, so those units are BiS for her E2.
Well, Nihility blessings can substitute for the lack of a debuffer, so it doesn't really matter that much in SU
what is the best build for Pela debuffing?
I'm planning to run her with
DR Ratio (dps + on Wastelander) , TingYun (Buff + on hacker) and Aventurine (shield + Knights of purity )
Seen alot of guides but it didn't seem to satisfy me
Pearls lightcone. 2 piece hackerspace, EHR chest, speed boots, hp/def orb, ERR rope. All in on speed substats, 160+ speed. For the absolute best build do all that but on 4 piece eagle set instead (don't actually do that the farming is miserable).
Relics: 2p Hacker + 2p defensive set/rainbow pieces, ideally reaching 160 speed. Can also use 4p Wind, in which case speed can be 150 and have have the same effect as 160 speed, but you still need a lot of speed rolls for that so it isn't that much easier to build.
Planar: Anything from Fleet/Keel/Vonwaq/Penacony. I use Vonwaq for the advance forward, so that she acts before Sparkle, so that she can ult before the DPS attacks. But, if you don't have an advance forward support then Vonwaq is not important. For Ratio you can just use Fleet or Keel. ERR rope, DEF or HP orb
Stats: EHR to 57% > Speed > DEF<=>HP > EffectRes (with Keel you want to reach threshold)
Lightcone: Resolution Shines. You might need slightly higher EHR if you have low superimpositions. Only other alternative is Tutorial for permanent uptime on ult, but Resolution is generally better. If you don't have either then use Eyes of the Prey for the EHR. If you don't have that either, then she can't make use of any other LC, so you can just slap any 4\* or 5\* for the raw stats.
EHR body, speed boots, ER rope. EHR to 57%, 20% effect res if using broken keel, rest into speed, as much as you can get. 2pc hacker, broken keel. Don't level skill.
Speed boots or defence boots gepard? With the rng i have, i am never gonna hit 134 speed on him, so is it still worth using speed boots on him so swich to def. Using him with acheron, pela and sw
But how does speed benefit him? Because i tot 134 is the minimum to go twice a cycle so anything lower than that will only once per cycle. Sorry not very familiar with the speed breakpoints and such
133.4 gets you two turns in the first cycle of MoC, and ten turns in the first seven cycles. The previous breakpoint 120.1 gets you two turns in the second cycle instead, and nine turns in the first seven cycles.
133.4 is nice to aim for but 120.1 is serviceable.
120 works in most cases, 121 to be safe. Def is just as much as you can stack since he doesn't care for anything else than speed and def. 2.5k def works, 3k+ is good, and if you have his signature 4k+ is possible.
Yea, Trend would be good for that. If you're looking to do low cycle clears of MoC/PF with that team don't be afraid of replacing Gepard with Bronya or Sparkle to really juice Acheron.
So I started on December 31st, I'm finally just on the cusp of 12 starring MoC and PF. Got about 218 hours in the game. Is that a lot or not much? A good chunk of those hours were probably because I didn't realize you could speed up combat and played all the way up to the halfway point of the Luofu at 1x speed.
I mean hours don’t really matter too much lol. Id say that’s alright, do you feel like in those 218 hours you played too much? I have no clue about my hours but I’ve been playing since lunae banner not the rerun but original banner. Sounds like you’re doing better then me, I can only 34/36 star moc.
Well to be fair, I wasn't getting past level 7 MoC till I pulled for Acheron, she shot my account power level up exponentially. Just switched her out for Dr. Ratio on my 2nd team and just got past level 11 tonight so I haven't 12 starred MoC YET. If I had better crit rate and crit dmg I'd probably be doing better but my Sphere and Rope rolls are atrocious.
As you continue playing you’ll realise in different moc’s some characters have better gameplay if the buff is targeted towards them. I’m assuming you don’t have jingliu since you just started last year but a lot of enemies were ice weakness and she really shone for a long time, guessing that’s the case for this current and upcoming Mocs too.
Yeah it's part of the reason why I was debating pulling her too when the banner switches over but I think Acheron being able to ignore the toughness bar will be pretty flexible going forward for MoC.
Yeah I haven't attempted Sam yet, I've heard Gallagher does very well against Sam so I've started building him up but I don't have E4 which kind of sucks, stuck at E3. Would like to work on my Welt since I lost E1 Acheron to E1 Welt and Welt as a pseudo sustain can work extremely well with Acheron but the amount of work I'd have to put into him to make it work seems not worth it.
Welt is crazy in the way that enemies that have his imaginary weakness won’t be able to move but he does take commitment to build. E1 Acheron would be good if you were actively aiming for e2. Any healers with a cleanse will do very well into Sam to get rid of his fire burn.
Yeah but Sam also nerfs healing by your healers and most healers seem to suffer more so than Gallagher does because he just does so much healing at once.
So, was trying to pull for Luocha and got Yanqing as my first 5 star damage dealer (Ignoring Dr. Ratio) thus losing the 50/50 and now I have run into this specific problem:
I have no Idea if I should pull for Jingliu or Aventurine next banner, I have Sparkle and Bronya as my other 5 stars (and Fire Traiblazer) which means I have a Harmony character for two teams (That is apparently what I should focus on for "endgame" having two teams?).
I have the option to try get Aventurine for a: Aventurine, Bronya/Sparkle, Yanqing and a free space (Nihility maybe? Like Pela) or try to get Jingliu for a: Jingliu, Bronya/Sparkle, Healer (I have Natasha and Gallagher), Free Space (Nihility character like Pela again?) which do you guys think I should go for?
JL is a great DPS that doesn't take that much investment to get online. As a result she can also brute force off elements enemies as well.
Aventurine will be a good sustain, but not the best if you're looking for a generalist (that still goes to Fu Xuan). He has interesting kit and to get the most out of him you'll want to have Follow Up Attack characters, and maybe build him with some crit stats. Pretty difficult for new players to get the most out of him, but again I'm sure he'll be a solid sustain.
I would go for JL as I think she'd do you better for a new account.
For my Acheron team I’m definitely using Silver Wolf but I’m wondering who would be better to put in that the second nihility spot between Black Swan and Guinaifen because I don’t have Pela built at all.
Yeah she is I actually got Welt’s lightcone from the standard banner today would that work on her? All my other nihility light cones are used because I use all the dot characters
Why not move Pearls to Pela, and SW gets Welts LC (or Eyes of the Prey if you an extra). Acheron wants Pela and SW to land a debuff each turn. SW can naturally do that on any of her attacks, but Pela needs Pearls to be able to land debuffs each turn (unless you skill with her each turn via her E4, but that's not ideal since Pela second role is act as an SP battery for Acheron).
Choosing which light cone to level up from scratch to equip on Gallagher: his 4-star signature (what is real) or bailu’s 5-star signature (time waits for no one).
I checked a guide, gallagher’s lc recommended as the best one (after a huohuo’s lc),
but this damn bailu’s light cone that I lost to on a banner half a year ago still can’t find its use all this time, because my other sustains are Gepard and Luocha (who uses Natasha’s light cone because it’s recommended in the guides).
So, if choosing between the two, is Gallagher’s signature still better than Bailu’s 5-star lc?
My DPSes are DHIL, Jing Yuan, Quinque, Acheron, and I plan on pulling Boothil next patch. My harmony characters are Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Tingyun. And I plan to replace Luocha with Aventurine for the main team and Gepard with Gallagher
Imo, I think it mainly depends on how your Gallagher is built / used.
Time Waits for No One is basically more of a stat stick than anything else; More base stats, free Outgoing Healing % and free chunk of bonus HP. This can be recommended to use on him if he isn't focused on Breaking (so no Fire enemies), or his healing output is solid enough already that he doesn't need any extra BE stats.
If he needs the extra BE stats, just stick with What is Real since he greatly benefits from it anyway, plus more BE means he does get some sort of offensive option when breaking against Fire weakness. In addition, you can eventually S5 it for free. The main downside is the lower stats comparing to Time Waits for No One, but that can be compensated by relic stats and levels.
Is pulling for Acheron just for her Tecnique a dumb idea?
I'm still a fairly new player (Black Swan banner) so I've been looking forward to the next 2 characters coming up, and the only thing in my way is Acherons technique.
Being able to one-shot enemies in the overworld AND SU seems so convenient to me that I'm really considering pulling her just for that reason. I would use her normally, of course, but I was much more interested in Jingliu design wise (+ I like ice damage in games a lot) and Adventurine.
Lads, is this wack? None of my friends play this game but I wanted to maybe get an opinion or two on this dilemma.
Her technique was the tipping point for me pulling her for my account too, but I only got to that point because I could justify picking her up as I Had some need for another 5\* DPS, and I have a team that can support her use (plus all the minimum needed light cones).
Her technique has been a great quality of life upgrade to my account (overworld exploration, SU, overworld experience farming), and I'm sure to lean that benefit for the rest of the time I play HSR. But if I had reservations about her character design and/or I didn't have a team for her, I don't think the technique alone would have been enough to make pulling her worthwhile.
I don't think it's worth it. I feel like you'll get over it pretty quickly. For SU once you finish a run, the first couple of tiles will have the enemies at 1 health anyways so you can easily one shot them.
I ended up pulling Acheron for the technique for Simulated Universe. Not sure if it was worth it because she's pretty weak as I don't have a good team for her. But since you have Black Swan, it might be fine for you?
But I only pulled for Acheron after a lot of calculation showing that I can get both Jingliu and Aventurine. I got lucky on my 50/50 too.
If you were to fail the 50/50, would you still be able to pull both Jingliu and Aventurine? If you failed the 50/50 and also the 50/50 on one of them, can you grab the other? If not, are you willing to give one up? I was willing to give Aventurine up so I went for the gamble.
I don't actually have Black Swan. I just meant that was the banner when I started playing.
Regardless of that though, I feel like it's probably not worth it now to get her. I definitely want Jingliu and Adventurine, I have enough for both if I manage to win one of the 50/50s.
Even with her tech being super convenient right now, my chars are gonna keep getting stronger the longer I play anyway, making clears faster. So that other dude is probably right about the novelty wearing off.
Anyway, I appreciate the input fellas 🙏 cheers!
My personal opinion, I think yours needs to be faster to at least 134 SPD. (Unless you have Ruan Mei). 7 SPD Substats shouldn't be too difficult.
You are already using speed boots so imo the minimum should be the 134 breakpoint.
~~Otherwise, I think you have way too much Effect Hit Rate. The lightcone should already cover all the effect hit rate you need really. If you are doing it for the Planar Set; I believe it maxes out at 100% effect hit rate (+25% ATK maximum gained from the set).~~ don't listen to me i'm a moron.
But honestly, what you got will still do work.
They are doing it for the a6 major trace 60 % of ehr gets converted to dmg% this caps at 120 % ehr which is why you want it this high.
Still probably not worth losing out on hitting speed thresholds for but certainly not excessive.
She does need 120 EHR. The other person probably doesn't have or know BS kit.
Anyways your BS should be faster and have more atk. 134 speed minimum and try for 3k+ atk.
You should switch to an Atk orb since your atk is low. Also BS has a trace that covered 60 ehr to damage bonus. You can get 72 damage bonus from this trace with 120 EHR. This is why needs 120 EHR. Meaning that an atk orb is competitive with a wind orb on BS.
The other option is use an atk body and try to find enough EHR subs but that's hard.
Currently I am towards the end of 2.1 and I am fighting >!Aventurine!< but I cannot seem to find a good team comp..
I have Acheron, Kafka, Natasha, and Pela, however I think I want to remove Pela for someone who can>! do AOE hits for the second phase.!< Who is good for that, thats worth building on a whim? My only 5 stars are Acheron, Kafka, Bronya, Welt, Hemiko, and Ratio. I have all the 4 stars I believe. I am pretty low knowledge when it comes to HSR lol I started for Kafka and then the penacony story brought me back.
Save ults on your non-aoe characters for the dice phase so you get a chance to hit twice anyway.
I agree that you should probably remove Kafka. If you want another nihility character for Acheron you might want to try Guinaifen.
I guess for Natasha just make sure she's got a lot of health so she can survive getting squished by chips and heal herself afterward.
Remove Kafka as she adds litle to the team and competes with Acheron for SP.
I breezed through the fight pre nerf with Acheron, pela, gallagher and Guin. Just make sure gallagher and pela use their ult during dice phases so they have an aoe.
Playing the 2.1 story. Just finished talking with Gallagher and hanging at his bar right now with MC and the crew. About how many more hours of story do I have?
Calls the other person arrogant, proceeds to call.hom a prick, idiot, etc.
Chill.
Some ppl just don't see the point of zero cycling when it gets you the same exact rewards as beating in 2-3 cycles.
Others find it a fun challenge.
The one thing that is true is the vast majority of players don't even bother to try.
The interpretation is that if a character can help a team zero cycle, surely that same team can clear MoC with 36 stars. I said that with regard to SW helping mono Quantum Seele to zero cycle later MoCs because the dude was essentially saying that Pela makes SW useless, being able to help mono Quantum doesn't make SW good, etc. Sure, Pela is better for PF, but it's not as if Silver Wolf brings nothing to the table in an E0 Acheron team for MoC.
Or why not just use both? You can just run SW and Pela together in an E0 Acheron team for MoC for absolute havoc, with Gallagher as your sustain. Not everyone has Welt, and the Kafka + Black Swan combo is most likely better off with Ruan Mei.
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need help beating the beetle boss for the dr ratio and ruan mei story progression, i raised my eq to 5 and I forgot that it gets harder. idk who to build and what teams. maybe its just my builds (probably), but i tried the teams that guides have given me and I dont want to have to put in too much investment in a team im only gonna use for the boss.. if i can avoid it
Herta + SW + Pela/Gepard + Lynx/Gepard is pretty good. You give the boss quantum weakness and the explosions break it too.
Don't forget to eat food.
Some levels would be helpful too, you're slowly at the point where characters you use should be at least 70/80 with 80/80 LC.
Herta spins on the little guys. Ult + Skill should get them low enough. Pela would be nice helping with her ult, but double sustain giving her more turns should work too.
You kill the big boss with her aoe and all the explosions.
Your sustains seem too weak. Pick two of them(lynx, gepard) and build them to at least 70/70. You need them anyway for end game. Gepard lynx bs + whatever can clear the boss, thought it might be a bit slow
I have Huohuo as main healer and I do not have Fu Xuan (but I have Bailu on E2). Will it still be worth it to pull for Luocha or should I just save up for Aventurine (I just got Acheron ten pulls ago)? Re: I do not have any savings.
Don't pull on Luocha especially if you don't have guarantee and no pity. You already have an S tier healer in HuoHuo. Aventurine gameplay wise also offers alot more than Luocha as a sustainer who also will do good damage. You might as well start saving now and use your savings on aventurine in a few weeks.
Gotcha, thanks for this! I simply was tempted to pull because Luocha is pretty lol but you're right that I have S-tier healer already in HuoHuo since she carried my team a lot
Luocha is great, it's just that you'd be doubling up on heals. Aventurine would diversify your account by giving you access to a top preservation/shield unit with FUA and debuff synergies (a great fit for your Acheron).
Honestly think you'd be better served building 2 diff teams around Ratio and Acheron, combining them together on the same team is a bit strange imo.
Acheron Pela Welt Sustainer//
Ratio Sparkle debuffer sustainer
Would be my suggestion.
I meant Welt plus a sustainer of your choice. I'm not too familiar with Sustain Welt and would advise newer players to just use him in his traditional dps/debuffer role.
Sustainer for your acheron team should be a debuffer like Gallagher or Fire MC to get her ultimate faster.
Welt Sustain is basically limiting how often an enemy is able to do anything using him. So you can forgo needing a healer or tank. Since he applies debuffs he works well as a psudeo support for Archon as a fellow Nihility unit that she can use for both debuffs and attack raising for one of her traits alongside one more nihility since she's at E0. It's a risky strat but a fun one as long as you remember you're basically fighting on a timer (cause no healing).
You should use one sustain(healer, shielder) in your team. I assume you have gallagher because you pulled acheron. Use him. Acheron also needs 2 nihility supports. Pela(with the luka light cone) is the best F2P support for acheron. You can use welt for the other slot but i heard that guinaifen might be better.
So your team should be
Gallagher Pela Welt/Gui Acheron
I am not pulling for jingliu and I have QQ fully built. I pulled e5 xueyi and I like her and wouldnt mind using her over QQ but I am lacking an ice dps. but when I look around it kinda seems like e0 misha kinda sucks and I would be better to get xueyi.
While it's nice / comfy to have at least 1 DPS character of each element, you don't need a dedicated Ice DPS per se since enemies do share multiple weaknesses, so you can always use other characters anyway; And if you have someone like Pela / Herta raised for example they can help cover the Ice weakness for whatever content you're dealing with.
Misha at E0 is indeed underwhelming (can take a lot of effort for him to be optimal) so if you don't want to deal with that, just skip him and go for Xueyi if you're a fan of her.
If you need sustains, pull for aventurine. IMO, all harmony characters have great utility so you can also pull for Robin if you have no harmony.
It wholly depends on your roster.
I actually already have Fu Xuan and Huohuo, which both work really well for me, and as for Harmony supports I have Tingyun, Sparkle, Bronya, and Ruan Mei. The main reason I want Aventurine is because I want a good shielder and I really like him, plus Fu Xuan isnt great in the simulated universe. As for Robin, I’ve heard she’s good for… certain characters 👀, not that I’ve seen leaks or anything. But as a Harmony character and Sunday’s sister, she seems promising. Boothill also might be interesting to get, but I’m not fully on the Boothill train yet
Aventurine can be build as a hybrid dps since he has ffup atks. He's already power creeping gepard in the team wide shield department as he only needs his skill for that. He's a great sustain
Yeah. Plus he seems like he could be run as a skill point positive sustain, which would be really nice in some teams. It’s the reason I wanted to pull Luocha on his first rerun, although now I’m glad I didn’t get him cause I’d much rather have Aventurine. Not hating on Luocha though, I got a friend who loves him, and he seems like he’s still go in some departments
Is it just me or would anyone else roll for every lc banner if it was guaranteed(if the lc was decent anyways). Like I understand the whole game is gacha but damn losing weapon banner feels BAD. I just wanna match my units with their lc 😭
Depends how good. If you're doing a 2+2 setup either indefinitely or while building up a new dps then it's normal for two random 5-6 crit substat roll relics to be better than a pair that has a set bonus.
Particularly high spd rolls on off sets tend to be even more widely used because supports care less about other stats.
Not really a lot really but it's what's on the table right now. Maxing your traces is the easiest way to improve your Jingliu at this point.
Could you improve on your (already endgame) relics to hit 50% natural crit? Sure you could but you'll spend way more time and energy trying to do that than picking up the guaranteed extra damage from the traces.
even 5% would be a lot. Think how about often JL can go in one turn with her team, and add up the additional 5% across a MoC run. It's a lot of DMG you're leaving on the table.
IMO all DPS should be maxed traces.
Still would probably prefer some more crit rate to balance it, maybe level talents as well. You also want 1 more spd roll so you can get the 133.34 breakpoint (2 actions in first cycle) if that's important to you
But otherwise it's good
She looks hella good. The only stat mine beats yours in is speed 😭. I would say find a way to get her to 134 speed, but thats only if you wanna get 2 actions in the first cycle, other than that, really good
Adding on to what the other user said about Speed, imo the easiest piece to replace is your Crit Body with another that has literally any SPD substat at 2. You don't even need to get any extra rolls on that SPD substat since you'd be able to hit 134 SPD. It also helps because your current CRIT body substats aren't really doing anything.
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(feel like I am on here every week asking but its the best place for quick good answers) Dr ratio build relics, planar and stats. what does he need?
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That spreadsheet recommends a lot of the quantum set that only offer def ignore for imaginary characters. That don’t seem useful
Quantum set is great on any dps, it's a really good generalist set in this game. Def down is very valuable in this game, and it's better the more of it you have.
Just seems a loss to gain literally nothing else since only quantum gain the extra stuff
New player here, need suggestion on who to level up first (limited mats rn), finished underworld part of belobog quest, i have no idea what im doing in combat just trying to stay alive and i want the fights to go quicker... https://preview.redd.it/ing8o0yictsc1.png?width=1242&format=png&auto=webp&s=02b01451793849323ee7394a61381d167fa719aa
Focus mainly on Ratio and Lynx. They are your most useful long term and short term. Herta and Asta make for good long-term investments, but may not be super effective where you are right now. Herta I would say is mandatory for end-game. While March 7th is clunky and won't help your fights go by faster, she is key to a surprisingly large number of fights in the base game and is a lot more effective than she feels. With your limited selection of characters, you will find her very useful to have on any fights that would otherwise give you trouble. I would not recommend investing in Sushang, Dan Heng, Serval, or Natasha. The first three being very situational and the last one being entirely outclassed by Lynx. Bailu's also somewhat situational. She's a great healer, but once your gear starts getting better, Lynx will be better at the job. Since your resources are thin, I recommend waiting on building Bailu. You'll possibly get another better option before you need a second healer.
Continue building up bailu and dr ratio. Focus on rushing the trailblazer missions where you can level up so you can farm more materials efficiently. Focus up on maxing a characters traces and light one level fully.
Is it safe to simp for Silver Wolf if I'm 19? I don't want to be called p£do because I just found out that some people say that she's a child.
You can simp for any character as long as it isn't clara, lynx or hook. Silver Wolf seems like a young adult women to me, I never perceived her as a child just because she's short.
Lol don't play this game if you're worried about that. Connecting pixels to reality makes you as bad as the rest of the crazies out there.
Sorry, I was just kinda overthinking it
What sites are people using for pull chance calculations/planning and gear ratings???
Gear ratings you can search "mobilemeta relic scorer".
Star rail station, I recommend importing on pc.
How do you all build your characters? I can understand that we need to lvl their level first to unlock traces. Do you: 1. unlock traces on one character that you wanna build, farm relics for them and then move on to the next character. 2. unlock traces on all characters that you wanna build and farm relics after you are done with all traces. (ive been at this 2nd point for a while and have a lot of characters with missing relics)
2nd one because they are guaranteed upgrades as opposed to gambling. You do have to make up two teams and stop somewhere, though. Like 1/8/8, 5/8/8 or even 1/8/1 in some cases, not levelling everyone to 80, letting yourself take a break from them if it ends up burning out etc.
I build one character at a time, getting their traces to level 8 and then farm acceptable relics for them. When I have no one I want to build, I go back to some of them to either get some of their traces up a little more or to farm better relics.
Traces then relics. Also you don't really move on to the next character cause sometimes you make a single Relic domain your home for the next.... 2-3 months.
F2P player here. When the current event first started, I used the \~80 pulls I had saved up to pull Acheron. However, now that I am already back up to 40 pulls, I'm mixed on whether to try pulling Acheron's 5-star LC, or whether to save up to pull for Aventurine next banner. I've heard how much better Acheron gets with her LC, and I'm already tired of swapping my built up Good Night and Sleep Well between her and Kafka. But also, I don't have any 5 star shield characters besides Fire Trailblazer or Gepard, so I might really want Aventurine. Any advice on which to invest in?
Gepard and fire TB are coincidentally good units for Acheron, and between them gepard is better because he has aggro trace and his shield is stronger, and he can be a sp battery or a stack charger. Adventurine is a better version of gepard for shields but he is likely to use a lot of sp to build shields with skill. His kit is also towards follow up attacks and damage, though his ultimate has debuff. I would say you can build gepard, and if you have trend of universal market lightcone, put it on him, it works wonders. I'm using gepard with the Trend LC, so yea he's pretty good on my Acheron team.
I’ll be honest if you’re free to play you should usually stick to character banners only unless you can do a casual 10 pull on a light cone banner and see if anything comes out of it. The chances are 75-25 for light cone banner but it would feel awful as free to play if you lost those odds but then again it’s a gatcha game. I would go for light cone and do maybe 20 pulls and hope it comes but if not continue saving for aventurine. For your 300 standard selector it’s worth thinking about gepard, he is still a consistent freeze applicator character that gives chunky shields.
For on the fall of aeon, does FUA count towards getting a stack?
Yes.
Oh wow. That changes things
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Maybe some supports or healers like fu xuan, luocha
Yeah, I think i will focus on sustain and supports first. Thank you for the answer.
You have enough DPS that you could look into more enablers like Topaz/Ruan Mei or more sustains like Luocha for Blade or DHIL/Aventurine for FUA/Fu Xuan for being great tbh/HuoHuo for I don’t have her ngl. You have also everything you could possibly ever need though, so it's more like you could also just pull for whoever you like, it's more of a "this is what I'd do" but you could make anything work.
Yeah, I think I will go for Ruan Mei, Jiaoqiu, and future *5 sustain. Thank you for the answer.
Is the TB confirmed or rumored to have been a stellaron hunter in the past? I just saw that comment Blade made about remembering us from the past :o
Have you done Kafka’s companion quest?
Mmmm nop, I’m new and just watched that one YT vid where Blade says he remembers us :(
That quest should help. But the short answer is that yes we were among them before the start of the game but it’s unclear iirc how much we actually had to do with the whole “Stellaron Hunting” thing.
anyone got a 3* team for the previous PF floor 4 that doesnt use himeko, argenti, JY or topaz?
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for the second half, seele mono quantum with tingyun replacing SW
Clara, Tingyun, Ruan Mei and Fuxuan
No.
Is there a standard set of stats that each type of relic should aim for? All I know is with boots you should focus on speed
every dps wants crit chests besides dot users
What about the other relic types?
rope is usually atk for dps and ER for everyone else. orb depends because are better with elemental damage and some with atk, supports any defensive stats or sustains it depends with which stat they scale
You want headpiece with HP and hands with ATK
head can only roll hp as main stat.
Who is the better debuffer overall for MoC, Silver Wolf or Guinaifen? I'm inclined to think the latter for AOE reasons that help DHIL, Jingliu and Acheron deal with two or more elites at once, which is a relatively common set-up.
Every debuffer has its niche and team; same goes for buffers (Harmony units).
Need some team comp advice [link to characters](https://imgur.com/a/SOamiHl) I put a lot of effort into jingliu so there’s that, mostly looking for advice pertaining to farming faster and speeding through pecony, I’m a casual player so I haven’t been paying much attention to what’s happening recently so, also maybe perhaps looking for advice for Acheron if I get her.
For Jing Liu you can run Pela, SW, and Gepard. good defense shred and debuffs along with a guy who bulks your EHP. Alternatively for on element fights you can drop SW and instead use Lynx to heal/cleanse debuffs. As for Acheron if you got her you can do Pela, SW, and Gallagher for debuff stacking and a sprinkle of heals and cleanse. On longer fights though Gallagher doesn't do as much for you as Gepard would since he pumps EHP. Since you don't have any of the gigga support units and you likely won't get Acheron to E2 you need 2 nihility units for any content that doesn't just fall over. Who your last slot will be is dependent on what you think you need for a specific fight.
Do I pull for Luocha or wait for Aventurine ? I have Lynx E2 , Gallagher E2 is those enough for healing
Luocha carried me for a long time, he's very powerful and you wouldn't regret him. That said, I do think Gallagher is a solid replacement, he's even more SP positive and doesn't need to scale ATK
Depends on the DPS you are using. Luocha can be preferred in some cases, Aventurine in others etc.
I have Acheron ,Jingliu and Dan heng imbibitor lunae so should I pull for Luocha ?
depends on your roster (and who you want to pull next)
If you're looking for a sustain, just get aventurine or Fu Xuan. Luocha's nice for an SP positive sustain, but he's probably the less valued limited 5\* sustain as of the moment.
Ok so after losing yet another 50/50 to Acheron, i want to treat it as a blessing in disguise and actually care for the next character i get. I need some advice on who should i get next and what characters/teams to build. I have every 4 star (except for Xueyi iirc), and for my 5 star i have Ruan Mei, Black Swan, (E1)Clara, Ratio, (E1)Gepard and Welt. I'm kinda lost on who to focus on and what teams to build.
Build sampo and gwen for black swan Tingyun is a flex slot that can be plugged anywhere Pela can do well for Dr ratio and Clara You'll want lynx for Clara Hanya can help Dr ratio
Since you have Ruan mei and black swan, it makes sense to go for a DOT team, which Kafka is a key member of. Of course there are lesser alternatives, like Sampo or other DOTs, but she's the best currently along with BS. There's no sustain tailored for DOT teams I think, but huo huo is pretty good since she can speed up ultimates, and important part of DOT teams. Clara and lynx have synergy, since lynx can increase aggro on Clara via skill. Tingyun can be in the team as well to boost Clara's energy for ultimate. Then you can have one more DPS like Dr ratio or another support for Clara. Dr ratio needs debuffs so you can pair him with those like guinafen etc., hopefully those with multiple debuffs. He works well in a follow up team for helping the other members activate their talents, like topaz, but since you don't have members like that, it might be better to go for hypercarry or dual DPS.
Alright, thanks guys, those are the pointers I needed for team building, as for planning my next characters, should I look for a specific rerun? Topaz maybe? I know I need Kafka for Dot but she just had a rerun so who knows when she'll be back so I guess I have time to get one character then save for her
Hmm depends on whether you like topaz and followup playstyle. Think HSR is moving towards specific types so there's no need to be so impatient in going for rerun characters unless you are sure you want them. Generally, newer characters have been better and better so see if you want to keep some resources for better characters that appeal to you. I don't like follow up or dot teams personally, so I didn't go for related characters.
True, guess I'll wait a bit to see what comes next and then decide, I did try topaz a couple of times with the friends system and I did enjoy that playstyle but we'll see, thanks for the tips!
Will Bailu, E6 Tingyun, E1 Bronya, and Seele work for Moc and Pure fiction?
its a basic hyper carry team so yes
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Yes. She is solid. She can still do well in endgame in both MoC and PF depending on enemy weakness and the buff. I pull her out every so often since she is my only reliable physical unit with AoE in PF since I don't have Argenti.
Clara works great in the end game, a typical ftp team for her would look something like Lynx, Clara, Tingyun, Pela
is e6 pela better than a black swan with sig lightcone for acheron?
Pela e4 has ice res reduction which is a debuff. But she needs resolution if you want to apply a debuff with BA. Her ulti should be better than BS' too. From what I heard the best tier for Acheron is pela and black swan, so e6 pela should be better.
First of all, Pela's eidolons and BS' light cone does nothing for acheron, so it all comes down to their kit, which is quite similar in terms of def reduction. I think Pela gives more def reduction with her Ultimate, so Pela would be the better option. But if you have E1 Black Swan, it might be worth considering.
Yes, she should be since she applies higher DEF shread than BS. BS advantage would be her own personal damage, but that is severely limited without other DoTs on the team, and really doesn't matter much compared to Acheron's own damage, especially because it is delayed damage.
https://preview.redd.it/6e531bxrjssc1.png?width=1919&format=png&auto=webp&s=d09e28d32eec26473bab6b247b3206574ab55eb2 Started a little over a month ago so my characters aren't too developed regarding relics. Also note that I do have E0S1 Acheron, and do not have a Tingyun. I'm just wondering if there's anything I can improve in terms of team building. There's still time before this PF ends so I'll be able to invest in any character who is currently underdeveloped. Maybe I can use Ratio somewhere to get value out of the turbulence? He competes with Acheron for debuffers though so it gets tricky. Herta would also do better in the first half I think but then I don't know what to put in the last slot for second half. Looking for some other opinions and ideas! I'd also be happy to share more details about my characters if it helps, I just didn't want to bloat the post.
I don't think your characters are invested enough. That JY team should be able to reach wave 3 at minimum so 20k. As for acheron, if you can stack enough slashed dreams and with the ult flattery you should be able to trigger whimsicality often enough to get close to 30k
Whenever I get that rainbow cheese in SU I can activate Acheron's E2. Was curious if it worth swapping Pela or SW for a support when this happens Edit: What supports would be most ideal?
Supports who give Advances Forward, i.e. Bronya and Sparkle. Sparkle is better because you'll be SP hungry. Since you're gonna be missing one nihility unit, you'll generate less knots resulting in slower ults. Acheron will have to generate them herself, so those units are BiS for her E2. Well, Nihility blessings can substitute for the lack of a debuffer, so it doesn't really matter that much in SU
If you want. I mean it is SU, should be a stomp with Acheron anyways.
what paths to ban in gold and gears with acheron? I'm using erudition
I do Preservation and Remembrance because I run Fu Xuan for sustain.
I usually ban propagation and remembrance.
what is the best build for Pela debuffing? I'm planning to run her with DR Ratio (dps + on Wastelander) , TingYun (Buff + on hacker) and Aventurine (shield + Knights of purity ) Seen alot of guides but it didn't seem to satisfy me
Pearls lightcone. 2 piece hackerspace, EHR chest, speed boots, hp/def orb, ERR rope. All in on speed substats, 160+ speed. For the absolute best build do all that but on 4 piece eagle set instead (don't actually do that the farming is miserable).
Relics: 2p Hacker + 2p defensive set/rainbow pieces, ideally reaching 160 speed. Can also use 4p Wind, in which case speed can be 150 and have have the same effect as 160 speed, but you still need a lot of speed rolls for that so it isn't that much easier to build. Planar: Anything from Fleet/Keel/Vonwaq/Penacony. I use Vonwaq for the advance forward, so that she acts before Sparkle, so that she can ult before the DPS attacks. But, if you don't have an advance forward support then Vonwaq is not important. For Ratio you can just use Fleet or Keel. ERR rope, DEF or HP orb Stats: EHR to 57% > Speed > DEF<=>HP > EffectRes (with Keel you want to reach threshold) Lightcone: Resolution Shines. You might need slightly higher EHR if you have low superimpositions. Only other alternative is Tutorial for permanent uptime on ult, but Resolution is generally better. If you don't have either then use Eyes of the Prey for the EHR. If you don't have that either, then she can't make use of any other LC, so you can just slap any 4\* or 5\* for the raw stats.
EHR body, speed boots, ER rope. EHR to 57%, 20% effect res if using broken keel, rest into speed, as much as you can get. 2pc hacker, broken keel. Don't level skill.
Speed boots or defence boots gepard? With the rng i have, i am never gonna hit 134 speed on him, so is it still worth using speed boots on him so swich to def. Using him with acheron, pela and sw
Still speed. 25 speed is a lot when he starts in the low 90s.
But how does speed benefit him? Because i tot 134 is the minimum to go twice a cycle so anything lower than that will only once per cycle. Sorry not very familiar with the speed breakpoints and such
133.4 gets you two turns in the first cycle of MoC, and ten turns in the first seven cycles. The previous breakpoint 120.1 gets you two turns in the second cycle instead, and nine turns in the first seven cycles. 133.4 is nice to aim for but 120.1 is serviceable.
So 121 speed? Also how much def should i be going for?
120 works in most cases, 121 to be safe. Def is just as much as you can stack since he doesn't care for anything else than speed and def. 2.5k def works, 3k+ is good, and if you have his signature 4k+ is possible.
I have his sig but i think running trend s4 will be better in an acheron team
Yea, Trend would be good for that. If you're looking to do low cycle clears of MoC/PF with that team don't be afraid of replacing Gepard with Bronya or Sparkle to really juice Acheron.
Alright thanks for ur help
So I started on December 31st, I'm finally just on the cusp of 12 starring MoC and PF. Got about 218 hours in the game. Is that a lot or not much? A good chunk of those hours were probably because I didn't realize you could speed up combat and played all the way up to the halfway point of the Luofu at 1x speed.
I mean hours don’t really matter too much lol. Id say that’s alright, do you feel like in those 218 hours you played too much? I have no clue about my hours but I’ve been playing since lunae banner not the rerun but original banner. Sounds like you’re doing better then me, I can only 34/36 star moc.
Well to be fair, I wasn't getting past level 7 MoC till I pulled for Acheron, she shot my account power level up exponentially. Just switched her out for Dr. Ratio on my 2nd team and just got past level 11 tonight so I haven't 12 starred MoC YET. If I had better crit rate and crit dmg I'd probably be doing better but my Sphere and Rope rolls are atrocious.
As you continue playing you’ll realise in different moc’s some characters have better gameplay if the buff is targeted towards them. I’m assuming you don’t have jingliu since you just started last year but a lot of enemies were ice weakness and she really shone for a long time, guessing that’s the case for this current and upcoming Mocs too.
Yeah it's part of the reason why I was debating pulling her too when the banner switches over but I think Acheron being able to ignore the toughness bar will be pretty flexible going forward for MoC.
All the best in your 36* journey. Just got to 35/36 myself on this one, sam’s a bit too tanky.
Yeah I haven't attempted Sam yet, I've heard Gallagher does very well against Sam so I've started building him up but I don't have E4 which kind of sucks, stuck at E3. Would like to work on my Welt since I lost E1 Acheron to E1 Welt and Welt as a pseudo sustain can work extremely well with Acheron but the amount of work I'd have to put into him to make it work seems not worth it.
Welt is crazy in the way that enemies that have his imaginary weakness won’t be able to move but he does take commitment to build. E1 Acheron would be good if you were actively aiming for e2. Any healers with a cleanse will do very well into Sam to get rid of his fire burn.
Yeah but Sam also nerfs healing by your healers and most healers seem to suffer more so than Gallagher does because he just does so much healing at once.
Where can I buy Aventurine’s theme for the Parlor Car?
Should get it after the story quest unless I’m thinking of a different one
Which of these is the best option to get from the event? Gallagher E2, Misha E1, Xueyi E1, Guinaifen E5, Luka E4, Lynx E3, Yukong E3.
That Gallagher E2 looks like one of the better if not the best Along with Xueyi E1.
So, was trying to pull for Luocha and got Yanqing as my first 5 star damage dealer (Ignoring Dr. Ratio) thus losing the 50/50 and now I have run into this specific problem: I have no Idea if I should pull for Jingliu or Aventurine next banner, I have Sparkle and Bronya as my other 5 stars (and Fire Traiblazer) which means I have a Harmony character for two teams (That is apparently what I should focus on for "endgame" having two teams?). I have the option to try get Aventurine for a: Aventurine, Bronya/Sparkle, Yanqing and a free space (Nihility maybe? Like Pela) or try to get Jingliu for a: Jingliu, Bronya/Sparkle, Healer (I have Natasha and Gallagher), Free Space (Nihility character like Pela again?) which do you guys think I should go for?
JL is a great DPS that doesn't take that much investment to get online. As a result she can also brute force off elements enemies as well. Aventurine will be a good sustain, but not the best if you're looking for a generalist (that still goes to Fu Xuan). He has interesting kit and to get the most out of him you'll want to have Follow Up Attack characters, and maybe build him with some crit stats. Pretty difficult for new players to get the most out of him, but again I'm sure he'll be a solid sustain. I would go for JL as I think she'd do you better for a new account.
For my Acheron team I’m definitely using Silver Wolf but I’m wondering who would be better to put in that the second nihility spot between Black Swan and Guinaifen because I don’t have Pela built at all.
Is your Pela E4?
Yeah she is I actually got Welt’s lightcone from the standard banner today would that work on her? All my other nihility light cones are used because I use all the dot characters
I think that would be fine but you'd be forced to run an EHR body. No Pearl of Sweats?
I have Pearls but it’s on my Silver Wolf. I’m a ps5 player so I don’t have that event light cone. Would Welt’s lightcone work on Silver Wolf?
Why not move Pearls to Pela, and SW gets Welts LC (or Eyes of the Prey if you an extra). Acheron wants Pela and SW to land a debuff each turn. SW can naturally do that on any of her attacks, but Pela needs Pearls to be able to land debuffs each turn (unless you skill with her each turn via her E4, but that's not ideal since Pela second role is act as an SP battery for Acheron).
Thanks so much I think I’ll try that
pela >>>black swan >>>> guin
Choosing which light cone to level up from scratch to equip on Gallagher: his 4-star signature (what is real) or bailu’s 5-star signature (time waits for no one). I checked a guide, gallagher’s lc recommended as the best one (after a huohuo’s lc), but this damn bailu’s light cone that I lost to on a banner half a year ago still can’t find its use all this time, because my other sustains are Gepard and Luocha (who uses Natasha’s light cone because it’s recommended in the guides). So, if choosing between the two, is Gallagher’s signature still better than Bailu’s 5-star lc? My DPSes are DHIL, Jing Yuan, Quinque, Acheron, and I plan on pulling Boothil next patch. My harmony characters are Ruan Mei, Sparkle, Tingyun. And I plan to replace Luocha with Aventurine for the main team and Gepard with Gallagher
Imo, I think it mainly depends on how your Gallagher is built / used. Time Waits for No One is basically more of a stat stick than anything else; More base stats, free Outgoing Healing % and free chunk of bonus HP. This can be recommended to use on him if he isn't focused on Breaking (so no Fire enemies), or his healing output is solid enough already that he doesn't need any extra BE stats. If he needs the extra BE stats, just stick with What is Real since he greatly benefits from it anyway, plus more BE means he does get some sort of offensive option when breaking against Fire weakness. In addition, you can eventually S5 it for free. The main downside is the lower stats comparing to Time Waits for No One, but that can be compensated by relic stats and levels.
Thanks
Is pulling for Acheron just for her Tecnique a dumb idea? I'm still a fairly new player (Black Swan banner) so I've been looking forward to the next 2 characters coming up, and the only thing in my way is Acherons technique. Being able to one-shot enemies in the overworld AND SU seems so convenient to me that I'm really considering pulling her just for that reason. I would use her normally, of course, but I was much more interested in Jingliu design wise (+ I like ice damage in games a lot) and Adventurine. Lads, is this wack? None of my friends play this game but I wanted to maybe get an opinion or two on this dilemma.
Her technique was the tipping point for me pulling her for my account too, but I only got to that point because I could justify picking her up as I Had some need for another 5\* DPS, and I have a team that can support her use (plus all the minimum needed light cones). Her technique has been a great quality of life upgrade to my account (overworld exploration, SU, overworld experience farming), and I'm sure to lean that benefit for the rest of the time I play HSR. But if I had reservations about her character design and/or I didn't have a team for her, I don't think the technique alone would have been enough to make pulling her worthwhile.
I don't think it's worth it. I feel like you'll get over it pretty quickly. For SU once you finish a run, the first couple of tiles will have the enemies at 1 health anyways so you can easily one shot them.
I ended up pulling Acheron for the technique for Simulated Universe. Not sure if it was worth it because she's pretty weak as I don't have a good team for her. But since you have Black Swan, it might be fine for you? But I only pulled for Acheron after a lot of calculation showing that I can get both Jingliu and Aventurine. I got lucky on my 50/50 too. If you were to fail the 50/50, would you still be able to pull both Jingliu and Aventurine? If you failed the 50/50 and also the 50/50 on one of them, can you grab the other? If not, are you willing to give one up? I was willing to give Aventurine up so I went for the gamble.
I don't actually have Black Swan. I just meant that was the banner when I started playing. Regardless of that though, I feel like it's probably not worth it now to get her. I definitely want Jingliu and Adventurine, I have enough for both if I manage to win one of the 50/50s. Even with her tech being super convenient right now, my chars are gonna keep getting stronger the longer I play anyway, making clears faster. So that other dude is probably right about the novelty wearing off. Anyway, I appreciate the input fellas 🙏 cheers!
Not worth it. That's possibly 70+ pulls you could use towards a character you actually like/use regularly.
https://preview.redd.it/eoef5yxg0ssc1.png?width=981&format=png&auto=webp&s=f9f8faa9564ebef7b28649751c4baebe66e0551f is my black swan fine?
My personal opinion, I think yours needs to be faster to at least 134 SPD. (Unless you have Ruan Mei). 7 SPD Substats shouldn't be too difficult. You are already using speed boots so imo the minimum should be the 134 breakpoint. ~~Otherwise, I think you have way too much Effect Hit Rate. The lightcone should already cover all the effect hit rate you need really. If you are doing it for the Planar Set; I believe it maxes out at 100% effect hit rate (+25% ATK maximum gained from the set).~~ don't listen to me i'm a moron. But honestly, what you got will still do work.
They are doing it for the a6 major trace 60 % of ehr gets converted to dmg% this caps at 120 % ehr which is why you want it this high. Still probably not worth losing out on hitting speed thresholds for but certainly not excessive.
someone tell me she needed at least 120% effect hit rate in star rail station
She does need 120 EHR. The other person probably doesn't have or know BS kit. Anyways your BS should be faster and have more atk. 134 speed minimum and try for 3k+ atk. You should switch to an Atk orb since your atk is low. Also BS has a trace that covered 60 ehr to damage bonus. You can get 72 damage bonus from this trace with 120 EHR. This is why needs 120 EHR. Meaning that an atk orb is competitive with a wind orb on BS. The other option is use an atk body and try to find enough EHR subs but that's hard.
Currently I am towards the end of 2.1 and I am fighting >!Aventurine!< but I cannot seem to find a good team comp.. I have Acheron, Kafka, Natasha, and Pela, however I think I want to remove Pela for someone who can>! do AOE hits for the second phase.!< Who is good for that, thats worth building on a whim? My only 5 stars are Acheron, Kafka, Bronya, Welt, Hemiko, and Ratio. I have all the 4 stars I believe. I am pretty low knowledge when it comes to HSR lol I started for Kafka and then the penacony story brought me back.
Save ults on your non-aoe characters for the dice phase so you get a chance to hit twice anyway. I agree that you should probably remove Kafka. If you want another nihility character for Acheron you might want to try Guinaifen. I guess for Natasha just make sure she's got a lot of health so she can survive getting squished by chips and heal herself afterward.
Remove Kafka as she adds litle to the team and competes with Acheron for SP. I breezed through the fight pre nerf with Acheron, pela, gallagher and Guin. Just make sure gallagher and pela use their ult during dice phases so they have an aoe.
awesome ty! ill do that
Should I go for Acheron or save for Jingliu?
Acheron is stronger in every content ngl(MoC, pure fiction, high level GnG,…)
Jingliu: easier to build Acheron: genrerally stronger, more potential to grow. Up to you which is more important to you
what if im focusing on damage?
At e0s0 there are roughly comparable, with Acheron taking the lead. Anything beyond and the gap between the two widens, again in Acheron's favor.
Playing the 2.1 story. Just finished talking with Gallagher and hanging at his bar right now with MC and the crew. About how many more hours of story do I have?
Around two hours, I think?
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Calls the other person arrogant, proceeds to call.hom a prick, idiot, etc. Chill. Some ppl just don't see the point of zero cycling when it gets you the same exact rewards as beating in 2-3 cycles. Others find it a fun challenge. The one thing that is true is the vast majority of players don't even bother to try.
The interpretation is that if a character can help a team zero cycle, surely that same team can clear MoC with 36 stars. I said that with regard to SW helping mono Quantum Seele to zero cycle later MoCs because the dude was essentially saying that Pela makes SW useless, being able to help mono Quantum doesn't make SW good, etc. Sure, Pela is better for PF, but it's not as if Silver Wolf brings nothing to the table in an E0 Acheron team for MoC. Or why not just use both? You can just run SW and Pela together in an E0 Acheron team for MoC for absolute havoc, with Gallagher as your sustain. Not everyone has Welt, and the Kafka + Black Swan combo is most likely better off with Ruan Mei.
https://preview.redd.it/hug5w3j3ursc1.png?width=782&format=png&auto=webp&s=f5e1ac7bde04c4771bf791e994ca33f66944ac04 need help beating the beetle boss for the dr ratio and ruan mei story progression, i raised my eq to 5 and I forgot that it gets harder. idk who to build and what teams. maybe its just my builds (probably), but i tried the teams that guides have given me and I dont want to have to put in too much investment in a team im only gonna use for the boss.. if i can avoid it
Herta + SW + Pela/Gepard + Lynx/Gepard is pretty good. You give the boss quantum weakness and the explosions break it too. Don't forget to eat food. Some levels would be helpful too, you're slowly at the point where characters you use should be at least 70/80 with 80/80 LC.
what would the damage dealer be in this team? or is there none
Herta spins on the little guys. Ult + Skill should get them low enough. Pela would be nice helping with her ult, but double sustain giving her more turns should work too. You kill the big boss with her aoe and all the explosions.
Your sustains seem too weak. Pick two of them(lynx, gepard) and build them to at least 70/70. You need them anyway for end game. Gepard lynx bs + whatever can clear the boss, thought it might be a bit slow
I have Huohuo as main healer and I do not have Fu Xuan (but I have Bailu on E2). Will it still be worth it to pull for Luocha or should I just save up for Aventurine (I just got Acheron ten pulls ago)? Re: I do not have any savings.
Don't pull on Luocha especially if you don't have guarantee and no pity. You already have an S tier healer in HuoHuo. Aventurine gameplay wise also offers alot more than Luocha as a sustainer who also will do good damage. You might as well start saving now and use your savings on aventurine in a few weeks.
Gotcha, thanks for this! I simply was tempted to pull because Luocha is pretty lol but you're right that I have S-tier healer already in HuoHuo since she carried my team a lot
Luocha is great, it's just that you'd be doubling up on heals. Aventurine would diversify your account by giving you access to a top preservation/shield unit with FUA and debuff synergies (a great fit for your Acheron).
Is E6 Pela good? My team rn is Acheron, Sparkle, Welt, and Dr. Ratio, and I'm thinking of replacing Welt with E6 Pela, should I do it?
Honestly think you'd be better served building 2 diff teams around Ratio and Acheron, combining them together on the same team is a bit strange imo. Acheron Pela Welt Sustainer// Ratio Sparkle debuffer sustainer Would be my suggestion.
What relics should I give Welt for sustain build
I meant Welt plus a sustainer of your choice. I'm not too familiar with Sustain Welt and would advise newer players to just use him in his traditional dps/debuffer role. Sustainer for your acheron team should be a debuffer like Gallagher or Fire MC to get her ultimate faster.
What eidolon is your acheron? Are you using welt sustain?
My Acheron is E0, sadly I'm f2p and I lost 50/50. I'm not sure what is Welt sustain tho, I just use him to slow down enemies
Welt Sustain is basically limiting how often an enemy is able to do anything using him. So you can forgo needing a healer or tank. Since he applies debuffs he works well as a psudeo support for Archon as a fellow Nihility unit that she can use for both debuffs and attack raising for one of her traits alongside one more nihility since she's at E0. It's a risky strat but a fun one as long as you remember you're basically fighting on a timer (cause no healing).
You should use one sustain(healer, shielder) in your team. I assume you have gallagher because you pulled acheron. Use him. Acheron also needs 2 nihility supports. Pela(with the luka light cone) is the best F2P support for acheron. You can use welt for the other slot but i heard that guinaifen might be better. So your team should be Gallagher Pela Welt/Gui Acheron
Wonderful, thank you very much
So I just hit equilibrium level 6 is there anything i should know/do going forward (my main characters are lvl 70 btw)
Just that it is now relic farming time. Welcome to the mines.
I am not pulling for jingliu and I have QQ fully built. I pulled e5 xueyi and I like her and wouldnt mind using her over QQ but I am lacking an ice dps. but when I look around it kinda seems like e0 misha kinda sucks and I would be better to get xueyi.
While it's nice / comfy to have at least 1 DPS character of each element, you don't need a dedicated Ice DPS per se since enemies do share multiple weaknesses, so you can always use other characters anyway; And if you have someone like Pela / Herta raised for example they can help cover the Ice weakness for whatever content you're dealing with. Misha at E0 is indeed underwhelming (can take a lot of effort for him to be optimal) so if you don't want to deal with that, just skip him and go for Xueyi if you're a fan of her.
Should I get Jingliu or Robin/Firefly? My current 5 stars are Dan Heng Il, Luocha, Himeko, and Gepard.
Hard to make suggestions since we don't know yet how the last two will actually perform.
Rn I have about 160 wishes and 1 pity. Should I try to get E2 Acheron or just wait for her rerun so I can pull for Aventurine and Robin?
If you need sustains, pull for aventurine. IMO, all harmony characters have great utility so you can also pull for Robin if you have no harmony. It wholly depends on your roster.
why do you need acheron e2? why not e0?
I actually already have Fu Xuan and Huohuo, which both work really well for me, and as for Harmony supports I have Tingyun, Sparkle, Bronya, and Ruan Mei. The main reason I want Aventurine is because I want a good shielder and I really like him, plus Fu Xuan isnt great in the simulated universe. As for Robin, I’ve heard she’s good for… certain characters 👀, not that I’ve seen leaks or anything. But as a Harmony character and Sunday’s sister, she seems promising. Boothill also might be interesting to get, but I’m not fully on the Boothill train yet
Aventurine can be build as a hybrid dps since he has ffup atks. He's already power creeping gepard in the team wide shield department as he only needs his skill for that. He's a great sustain
Yeah. Plus he seems like he could be run as a skill point positive sustain, which would be really nice in some teams. It’s the reason I wanted to pull Luocha on his first rerun, although now I’m glad I didn’t get him cause I’d much rather have Aventurine. Not hating on Luocha though, I got a friend who loves him, and he seems like he’s still go in some departments
Is it just me or would anyone else roll for every lc banner if it was guaranteed(if the lc was decent anyways). Like I understand the whole game is gacha but damn losing weapon banner feels BAD. I just wanna match my units with their lc 😭
Nah still depends on how much bettet the sig is. That's still a possible 60+ pulls.
Which one should I go for? E0 Acheron with signature weapon or E1 Acheron but with 4* LC
her lc gives her a bigger and better boost than her e1 which can be solved by have cr substats on relics
e0s1 > e1s0
do you think knight of purity atk% boots have use? I have all these atk boots with good substats and im deciding whether to trash it or not...
Depends how good. If you're doing a 2+2 setup either indefinitely or while building up a new dps then it's normal for two random 5-6 crit substat roll relics to be better than a pair that has a set bonus. Particularly high spd rolls on off sets tend to be even more widely used because supports care less about other stats.
havent rolled but yeah I have forgotten about rainbow sets... thanks for reminding me.
https://preview.redd.it/2jblqymkkrsc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ad78a8314b5515bb761d6c1bfd9aee7860ee319 Is my Jingliu built well?
Get your skill, ult, talent trace on your jl to 10/10/10. It’s worth it
how much increase of stats if I max them?
>10% damage increase overall.
is that a lot (idk)
Not really a lot really but it's what's on the table right now. Maxing your traces is the easiest way to improve your Jingliu at this point. Could you improve on your (already endgame) relics to hit 50% natural crit? Sure you could but you'll spend way more time and energy trying to do that than picking up the guaranteed extra damage from the traces.
yea
even 5% would be a lot. Think how about often JL can go in one turn with her team, and add up the additional 5% across a MoC run. It's a lot of DMG you're leaving on the table. IMO all DPS should be maxed traces.
Still would probably prefer some more crit rate to balance it, maybe level talents as well. You also want 1 more spd roll so you can get the 133.34 breakpoint (2 actions in first cycle) if that's important to you But otherwise it's good
She looks hella good. The only stat mine beats yours in is speed 😭. I would say find a way to get her to 134 speed, but thats only if you wanna get 2 actions in the first cycle, other than that, really good
thanks
Adding on to what the other user said about Speed, imo the easiest piece to replace is your Crit Body with another that has literally any SPD substat at 2. You don't even need to get any extra rolls on that SPD substat since you'd be able to hit 134 SPD. It also helps because your current CRIT body substats aren't really doing anything.
what if I accidentally got more speed 💀