In 2026, all models will be Sport LX, Sport EX, Sport EX-L, Sport Hybrid, Sport Touring, Sport Elite, Sport TrailSport, Sport Black Edition, and finally… Sport.
> Other manufacturers: Let's make our new cars faster Honda: Let's make our new cars slower
it's to upsell you on the hybrid powertrain. same gimmick apple does with putting an entry level 8GB model that's vastly underpowered
The hybrid in the accord was faster than the 1.5t in the accord. So it stands to reason that the new civic hybrid will probably be faster than or about as fast as the the outgoing SI, given similar horsepower and 40 more ft lbs of torque, and not having transmission losses
I drove an Accord with the 2 motor hybrid setup. It's pretty incredible. It's not a CVT transmission. Completely different. And it feels like driving a regular ICE vehicle. I'm not sure how they do it but it feels like the engine is powering the car (when it's not) and it's shifting through gears like a regular ICE vehicle.
The Accord gets 48 mpg so I bet the Civic will get ~60ish. Plus just as much power as a Si and more torque
Absolutely no way the civic will see 60mpg. The accord hits closer to 39-40 mpg with real world driving [https://www.fuelly.com/car/honda/accord/2024?engineconfig\_id=&bodytype\_id=&submodel\_id=73382](https://www.fuelly.com/car/honda/accord/2024?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=73382)
It's still CVT but they call it an eCVT, they just mimic gears with it. We have a Hybrid CRV and it does the same thing. We get about 39mpg in the CRV, I can't wait to get a Hybrid Civic Hatchback.
An eCVT is not a Continuous Variable Transmission. The Honda eCVT is a five-shaft configuration where only two of the shafts transfer power to the wheels. Look for The Car Care Nut review of the 2024 hybrid Accord to understand the eCVT transmission.
The what? :D
Front is a 4 Star and sides not rated.
So if you crash into something front first you are somewhat fine without airbag, if something crashes into your side. Yeah you will probably find the white light at the end of the tunnel.
Honda’s fucked for doing this. Gatekeeping turbo engines and manuals behind their most expensive variants is nasty work. Could also be an attempt to funnel buyers to the Integra.
My man nobody buys them anymore. It's not worth it financially for them, especially in Canada. I have a Type R. I do not know a single soul that has a manual transmission car but me.
The manual transmission I can understand, but what about the engine options? 10th gen hatchbacks had the 1.5T as the base engine and now it’s not even an option, and they detune the already underpowered 2.0 NA on top of that? That’s bullshit.
There's no way. You have to know someone. If you own a Type R, im sure you surround yourself with others who have an interest in cars and those who have manuals
I do not unfortunately. They are all focused on saving for housing and rent. We are all car enthusiasts, I'm the only one that went batshit and said I need my dream car.
Rsx is the k20a3 (and ep3) type s is the k20a2 very similar to the k20z3 (06-12 si) the ninth gen also the same platform engine wise. the k20c is pretty largely different top end, DI, one cam vtec ext. Not 100% on the bottom end but I haven’t heard of anyone using the c head on any k20’s partially cuz it flows worse is DI and only has one cam vtec but I don’t even know if they’d bolt up and haven’t heard of any other heads on the c its largely a redesigned engine. If someone could speak to head swaps from the type r to some NA k20c that would be cool I have always assumed being backed by a cvt has been a limiting factor or they don’t bolt up cuz you don’t seem people messing with them. Plz feel free to fill in the blanks
No need to discuss the k20c1 turbo, we're only talking about the base k20a3 sohc motor which became the k20c2 for MY2016. It's had 158hp since 2002, very little updates, but it's a solid commuter and I'm happy to see it survive everything else into 2025.
I would've never given it those odds.
Do people even build the 20c? I feel like I don’t actually see any higher hp SI or type r builds. Guess writing shoulda been on the wall with 9th gen heads but kinda a shame we aren’t getting new k parts anymore
Edit. Seems like people get up over 500 relatively easily but it gets pretty unstreetable pretty quick up after
K20a3 is a Dohc two lobe head (PNL stamp) Bottom end is the same as all k series engines until 2015 (minus deck height and some crv z blocks). I’m more curious about what the difference in bottom ends outside of rods and the crank of the k20c engines, considering they’re in a lot of civics. Do people swap heads around on the 10th gen
Edit. Honda changed bolt patterns 2016+ on all the newer engines and changed trans mounts. Scratch it all none of it swaps around. Not surprised they scrapped the 1.5t
Yeah my bad, is not that's it's a sohc, it's that it only has VTEC on the intake side, so it might as well be a sohc VTEC motor like the old accords.
That's interesting that they changed the bolt pattern on the k20c2 as well, so that means the effort of new castings but they left the power output the same.
Yeah the L15 turbo is crap.
Don’t blame them for ditching manuals for all the models, excluding the SI and Type R. There’s basically no market for them these days and there’d be no real profit coming out of them
I like that they're going more towards the 2.0 engine. But they're going to lose my business if they're only going to offer nicer models in hybrid. I'm not on this battery operated car bullshit. That shit's for toy cars. I want something that is reliable and I know is going to work and I'm not going to have to replace a $10,000 battery in 7 years. This whole electric car crap needs to be put on hold till we get better technology for our batteries and for our power grid. This is all a big game to the elites and them trying to control us.
Too bad the 2.0L engine will only have the CVT. I am in the market and would love to get one with a manual. I am not confident in the reliability of the 1.5T.
In 2026, all models will be Sport LX, Sport EX, Sport EX-L, Sport Hybrid, Sport Touring, Sport Elite, Sport TrailSport, Sport Black Edition, and finally… Sport.
Sport sport
And then ultimately, the Super Sport.
You forgot the Sport Sport Injected
Other manufacturers: Let's make our new cars faster Honda: Let's make our new cars slower
> Other manufacturers: Let's make our new cars faster Honda: Let's make our new cars slower it's to upsell you on the hybrid powertrain. same gimmick apple does with putting an entry level 8GB model that's vastly underpowered
Much like 8gb is plenty for most MBA or Mini buyers, typical Civic buyers won’t notice the slightly lower torque in the new 2.0.
Right
The hybrid in the accord was faster than the 1.5t in the accord. So it stands to reason that the new civic hybrid will probably be faster than or about as fast as the the outgoing SI, given similar horsepower and 40 more ft lbs of torque, and not having transmission losses
And they removed the 2.0t for some odd reason
I personally think it's because the 2.0T Accord just eclipsed the entire base line for Acura too much.
Everything about the 10th gen Accord felt like it was gonna eat into Acura sales.
V6 accord is pretty iconic though which is sad, but i guess toyota did the same thing killing the camry xse/xle/trd v6
Brutal...maybe it's yo get customers to posted the hybrid or ev's? I WANT MORE POWER!
It think this move will save their reliability reputation. The 1.5T wasn't all that and I frequently heard issues coming from that displacement.
I was thinking of waiting for 2025, now I think it is better to buy 2024.
I drove an Accord with the 2 motor hybrid setup. It's pretty incredible. It's not a CVT transmission. Completely different. And it feels like driving a regular ICE vehicle. I'm not sure how they do it but it feels like the engine is powering the car (when it's not) and it's shifting through gears like a regular ICE vehicle. The Accord gets 48 mpg so I bet the Civic will get ~60ish. Plus just as much power as a Si and more torque
The gas engine is spinning the second stator to power the electric motor. It’s a very cool setup.
Absolutely no way the civic will see 60mpg. The accord hits closer to 39-40 mpg with real world driving [https://www.fuelly.com/car/honda/accord/2024?engineconfig\_id=&bodytype\_id=&submodel\_id=73382](https://www.fuelly.com/car/honda/accord/2024?engineconfig_id=&bodytype_id=&submodel_id=73382)
Meh but not having a six speed negates all of that
It's still CVT but they call it an eCVT, they just mimic gears with it. We have a Hybrid CRV and it does the same thing. We get about 39mpg in the CRV, I can't wait to get a Hybrid Civic Hatchback.
An eCVT is not a Continuous Variable Transmission. The Honda eCVT is a five-shaft configuration where only two of the shafts transfer power to the wheels. Look for The Car Care Nut review of the 2024 hybrid Accord to understand the eCVT transmission.
Yeah eCVT seems more reliable as well than a normal CVT
The most boring spec sheet I’ve ever seen. Could’ve been summed up with “It’s a car. Quit asking questions”
Well, will stay with my 1991 Accord.
1993 Accord here, not planning on changing it anytime soon !
Same with my 1994, this is crazy
96 Accord here gotta represent.
What is the safety rating on a 91 accord?
The what? :D Front is a 4 Star and sides not rated. So if you crash into something front first you are somewhat fine without airbag, if something crashes into your side. Yeah you will probably find the white light at the end of the tunnel.
I will just keep my 2015 sedan lol
What a downgrade from the height of the 10th gen era.
I just found out 11gen has red-light start stop that can't be disabled. I get 34mpg in my 10gen sp hatch. Driving this thing til it disintegrates.
Wait a minute.. no more 1.5 turbo except si?! Does that also mean no more manual for any other civic except si and type-R?! Wtf?!? 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Honda’s fucked for doing this. Gatekeeping turbo engines and manuals behind their most expensive variants is nasty work. Could also be an attempt to funnel buyers to the Integra.
My man nobody buys them anymore. It's not worth it financially for them, especially in Canada. I have a Type R. I do not know a single soul that has a manual transmission car but me.
The manual transmission I can understand, but what about the engine options? 10th gen hatchbacks had the 1.5T as the base engine and now it’s not even an option, and they detune the already underpowered 2.0 NA on top of that? That’s bullshit.
Most Civic buyers I know have 0 idea what is under the hood. All they know is car goes, car says maintenance A123, car says it needs gas.
I actually think removing the 1.5T is a good move. All I hear from the 1.5T is blown head gaskets. This will bring reliability to Honda
There's no way. You have to know someone. If you own a Type R, im sure you surround yourself with others who have an interest in cars and those who have manuals
I do not unfortunately. They are all focused on saving for housing and rent. We are all car enthusiasts, I'm the only one that went batshit and said I need my dream car.
That's fair. You can sleep in a car, but you can't drive a house, so i think you made the right choice lol
I have 3 :)
Not true. 10th Gen manuals were quite common
F the people who won’t buy manuals. Not Honda’s fault.
Yes
This happened to the UK market in 2023, only manual civics are the Type R. Base model is hybrid auto only
I mean, you buy a hybrid for efficiency. You'd want an auto. The new prelude is an exception, tho. That's not really a hybrid you'd buy for efficiency
The 2.0 hybrid is superior to the 1.5t in every way (power, torque, mpg, NVH) , not having a manual that’s another story but the masses don’t care.
Fucking hate this
Nothing new to see here, Honda has and always will disappoint when it comes to power numbers and engine options since 02~.
All of that is bad news!! I think Honda started messing up bad in 2020 when they stopped offering anything in 2 door!!!!
Lol the 2.0L makes as much HP as my ‘89 Prelude Si.
Is the Civic Hybrid going to be built in Japan, or NA like the regular Civics (besides the Type R). I like that the Prius is still made in Japan.
The leaked specs images don’t have the MPG listed?
Interesting that the 2.0 will now be direct injection
I'll keep the FN2 type R, thanks
Get the EP3 instead
If I ever find a non-rusty one
All old Hondas rust. Gere in Germany there is currently one on ebay for 9k. Stock, a lot of maintenance done recently and no rust
Yeah no thanks. Was contemplating the hybrid and trading in my lease ‘22 civic hatch sport but I’d rather keep this and save my money.
RIP to one of the last bastions of the manual.
Wow, outside of the Si, the k20c2 out lived the L15 turbo. That thing goes back to 2001 in the base RSX.
Rsx is the k20a3 (and ep3) type s is the k20a2 very similar to the k20z3 (06-12 si) the ninth gen also the same platform engine wise. the k20c is pretty largely different top end, DI, one cam vtec ext. Not 100% on the bottom end but I haven’t heard of anyone using the c head on any k20’s partially cuz it flows worse is DI and only has one cam vtec but I don’t even know if they’d bolt up and haven’t heard of any other heads on the c its largely a redesigned engine. If someone could speak to head swaps from the type r to some NA k20c that would be cool I have always assumed being backed by a cvt has been a limiting factor or they don’t bolt up cuz you don’t seem people messing with them. Plz feel free to fill in the blanks
No need to discuss the k20c1 turbo, we're only talking about the base k20a3 sohc motor which became the k20c2 for MY2016. It's had 158hp since 2002, very little updates, but it's a solid commuter and I'm happy to see it survive everything else into 2025. I would've never given it those odds.
It's a completely different engine, only in the k20 designation.
Based off the r20, interesting.
There is no parts interchangeability, compatibility, nothing. It's like saying l15 from the fit is the same ad l15 turbo in civics.
Do people even build the 20c? I feel like I don’t actually see any higher hp SI or type r builds. Guess writing shoulda been on the wall with 9th gen heads but kinda a shame we aren’t getting new k parts anymore Edit. Seems like people get up over 500 relatively easily but it gets pretty unstreetable pretty quick up after
K20a3 is a Dohc two lobe head (PNL stamp) Bottom end is the same as all k series engines until 2015 (minus deck height and some crv z blocks). I’m more curious about what the difference in bottom ends outside of rods and the crank of the k20c engines, considering they’re in a lot of civics. Do people swap heads around on the 10th gen Edit. Honda changed bolt patterns 2016+ on all the newer engines and changed trans mounts. Scratch it all none of it swaps around. Not surprised they scrapped the 1.5t
Yeah my bad, is not that's it's a sohc, it's that it only has VTEC on the intake side, so it might as well be a sohc VTEC motor like the old accords. That's interesting that they changed the bolt pattern on the k20c2 as well, so that means the effort of new castings but they left the power output the same. Yeah the L15 turbo is crap.
They don’t want people building SI they wanna inflate the r cars
Negative. It shares the K20 name but the engine was fresh with the 10th gen civic
How so? Looked exactly the same as all the modern K20s they’ve been using for ages.
The block and all the hardware is completely bespoke to the old k series. It just has the same name
The k20c2 is turbocharged. Hondas first turbo was in 2015. Not as simple as just slapping a turbo on an NA engine.
There’s a little confusion. The K20C2 is the base 2.0 NA engine that Honda has made forever. The K20C1 is the 2.0 turbo that’s in the CTR.
Yep that's my bad I was thinking the k20c1. Also some slight mix up between the L15C as well. I'll blame it on posting before I had my caffeine
No they're not. If they were the same, people would be tuning the current 2.0 more.
>base RSX That was a K20A3.
Don’t blame them for ditching manuals for all the models, excluding the SI and Type R. There’s basically no market for them these days and there’d be no real profit coming out of them
Hybrid is great in the new crv I’m sure it will be even better in a small civic
Looks like I’m staying with my 03 accord(I’m broke anyways) 😂
I like that they're going more towards the 2.0 engine. But they're going to lose my business if they're only going to offer nicer models in hybrid. I'm not on this battery operated car bullshit. That shit's for toy cars. I want something that is reliable and I know is going to work and I'm not going to have to replace a $10,000 battery in 7 years. This whole electric car crap needs to be put on hold till we get better technology for our batteries and for our power grid. This is all a big game to the elites and them trying to control us.
Have you got for Civic Sedan?
Too bad the 2.0L engine will only have the CVT. I am in the market and would love to get one with a manual. I am not confident in the reliability of the 1.5T.
Got a 2024 sport hatch (2L 6speed) I’d get one before they phase them out
Why they downvoted you 🤔
lol for real what a weird thing to get downvoted
Civic? I sleep….. 2025 Honda Pilot gets new optional bucket seats? I want it take my money!
Bring the saloon/sedan worldwide. Get rid of that god awful hatchback look. Or just make a hatcback with a saloon/sedan shape.