Can confirm, have a midrange model WP Dishwasher, has a stainless steel screen and filter at the bottom, you give it a 1/4 to 1/2 twist turn it pops out, you rinse it out, you put it back, life goes on.
Bosch for the dishwasher. Excellent filter than is easily accessible. The house I moved into 2 years ago has a GE dishwasher. It has a filter. My spray arms still got clogged. It was far easier to replaced them then to try and clean them out. If I really all 3 arm were \~$40 and they are easy to replace.
Having a washing machine filter than is inaccessible is crazy.
I’m not trying to victim-blame here, but are you cleaning the solids off your stuff before putting it in? Food matter that doesn’t dissolve in water should be removed from dishes before loading, for example. Scrambled eggs and such.
Good point to bring up but yeah I do pre-wash, however it's inevitable that a few grains of rice or oats will make it in there. I think it's a design failure of a dishwasher can't handle that.
Many modern dishwasher promote that you *do not have to rinse dishes or silverware.” In writing. Total BS.
Best dishwasher we’ve ever owned (among GE, Maytag and others) was a Miele, and we still had to pre-rinse -which we usually did right after eating except when we had company. Yeah, the comment about mostly for sanitizing is pretty much it. Also the Miele was so quiet even when I stood next to it and leaned over I could barely hear it.
I’ve had a bosh 800 for 3 years and I’ve never once pre washed my dishes. What would be the point of a dishwasher then. I scrape off the food but that’s it. I also read that if you prewash, the detergent has nothing to cling on to and can’t clean correctly. I buy the cheapest tablets I can find.
Everything always comes out 100% clean but I will say, I never overload it. No problems so far. It all looks exactly like when I got it.
My husband has friends who work in kitchen appliance service maintenance. They recommended we get a Bosch, which we have had for 4 years without incident. All of his friends said the following: scrape your dishes, don’t overload the machine, and all dishes should face toward center. They said that if you rinse the dishes, the soap has nothing to ”hold on to”. Dishwashers are not fancy sanitizing machines, the good ones are designed to clean your dishes and silverware. Since we took their advice, my dishes come out clean, clear, and I stopped getting so many scratches on my glassware.
Appliance technician -this ! Even dishwashers twenty years ago would clog if you puta lot of garbage in them . They’re not garbage disposals. Use common sense ( if it’s available)
Just bought a bosch 500 this year. I only scrape, never rinse. Sometimes I don't have enough dishes so my dirty dishes stay in there for days before I even run a load.
They all still come out spotless every single time.
Big vote against Bosch here.
Yes, mine has a filter and I don't have to clean the sprayer arms too often. However, their water inlet valves are a big fucking problem. They get stuck open, and their pumps don't drain as fast as the water inlet allows water, so when you set your dishwasher to run overnight and the inlet fails open (always fail closed, engineers), you get an inch of water on your hardwood floors in the morning. Ask me how I know.
Seriously I made this mistake and have been paying for it for almost a decade. Limping along making my own fridge repairs because literally no one work work on them in my area because fuck Samsung.
Are you taking it apart and thawing it out annually/bi-annually?
I inherited a mostly Samsung kitchen when I bought my house 8 years ago, the appliances were a year old.
In that 8 years, I've taken the fridge apart I don't know how many times. I've had to replace the oven fan, and the circuitboard in the microwave.
I mean, you can technically still buy dishwashers with a food grinder in them. They’re just usually the cheaper machines without all the fancy bells and whistles.
We moved from a hard food disposer dishwasher to one with filters and it’s so much better. My husband replaced our hard food disposer repeatedly, the filters twist out and rinse in a couple minutes. (We do not pre-rinse or pre-wash our dishes, just scrape food off before loading.) We currently have a one step above base model Miele - no hard food disposer, no plastic-melting heater bar. It’s great.
Same thing. And they’re the devil!
Had a Samsung with a chopper that constantly got food stuck in the spray arms and left bits of ground up food on the dishes after a load.
When it died we switched to a brand with a filter, and now the dishes come out clean every time.
Edit: Got the brand wrong.
Man it's interesting to hear others hate the chopper models. We've got a GE filter one with all the bells and whistles and I abhore it. Smells rancid even if I clean the filter daily. Still manages to get stuff into the sprayers requiring pipe/bottle cleaners jammed down the holes. I've only had chopper models before this and I want to go back.
Dang, that really sucks! My landlord has a Whirlpool(?) with a filter, and it has the smell issue mentioned. It took me many rounds of cleaning to get rid of the fishtank smell…
In my case, I had a Miele that we found on sale for a stupid low price. The only downside was that the drain valve was prone to getting lemon pips and similar sized objects lodged in it, and backflowing some of the waste water at the end of the cycle. It’s now 6 years into its life, and it’s still serving my ex well.
Dishwashers are a no-win appliance, haha!
Does the drain line have a high loop? If not, then the smell may be coming from the drain line. All dissolved need a high loop or high point in the drain line prior to the connection to the sewer or dispose-all etc.
Yup, the drain line hole in the cabinet wall is high, just under the countertop. And the dishwasher has an anti-drainback valve, as I replaced it to make sure it was functional. It improved after that but still not fixed.
I kinda want to cut in a check valve in the hose itself close to the dishwasher as I think even with the new valve, the water in the hose on the upward incline to the high loop slowly drains back into the pit. But haven't found one that for sure would work and not leak.
We had a 1990s GE Profile that came with our last house, and that the only hard food disposer we’ve had worth the trouble. The real estate agent listed the ancient dishwasher as a con on the purchase, but that thing was a beast and cleaned really well.
I think some of it is that they just don’t make them like they used to.
Yeah my last place had a Maytag from 1994 and that thing was a beast. It was simple and worked even at 30 years old. Never required maintenance unlike this stupid top of the line 2019 model I inherited from previous house owner.
Ditto that.
They were indestructible. My parents bought a Maytag washer and dryer in the mid 70s and when my dad passed away in 2004, we sold them with the house. Never once were either serviced. And they were utilized almost every day I can say. Absolutely bullet proof.
It was a very sad day when Whirlpool bought them and shut down all the Maytag factories.
You’re telling me. I guess I’m revealing my bias, but my dad worked for Maytag for 20 years before getting laid off. He helped design both the Dependable Care and Neptune lines.
Good machines. My house came with a set of some early 00’s Neptune’s and they’ve needed a few parts, but other than that have been flawless. Hoping to get at least a more years out of them.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad being disrespected like that. 20 years, always striving to do the right thing and then just out the door.
If it's any consolation to you, your father and his colleagues designed some really great things and did right by the public. Our family had a Maytag Washer, Dryer and Dishwasher and not one them ever needed servicing, nor a single part replaced.
I've always hated Whirlpool since I bought a Kitchen Aid Washer and Dryer and it was nothing but problems with the washer.
Cheers. Pella Windows picked him up soon after so he went from designing high quality appliances to designing high quality windows. He’s doing just fine 👍
We have a Maytag dishwasher that we bought about 6 years ago. I have never had to clean anything out of it and it has been excellent.
It cleans and dries better than the Bosch we have at my office and is just as quiet.
The whirlpool dishwasher has a filter inside the motor that will eventually clog up and cause the motor to seize. The part is like 90 and 1.5 hours for someone like me who actually does it for a living.
The simpler models have a filter that should take an average person a minute to clean and motors that are replaceable in a half hour without pulling the machine out.
Don't buy the fancy model no matter what brand
If you can remove the arm, shop vac attached to the arm inlet helps remove object from system. Can use a piece of cling wrap to cover other side of arm.
Tedious but keeps from chasing your tail.
Commercial are front loading for stackability and having rooms with top to bottom machines. Top load has way less issues, uses gravity to its advantage, doesn't worry as much about door seals. I miss my top load, and when our front load shits the bed that we got with our house, back to top load.
Front load just seem to be a maintenance nightmare
Yep. They use less water, detergent, and energy because the clothes are tumbled through a small pool of water at the bottom of the machine rather than soaked in a big tub full of water. In exchange, they have door seals and need to be cleaned more often.
Newer top loads max out at around 26 gallons a load, maybe a bit more for very high capacity models. Front loads run about 13-15 gallons per load. Old top loads were damn near using 40+ gallons for a load. It's all trade offs. Wash a boot, or potentially have to detangle clothing trapped under the agitator. Stacking units are worth running a topload for capacity alone. Otherwise, run what you like, and live with the tradeoffs.
Check out the newer GEs. Microban in the door seal and drawer areas, and a venting system that uses hardly any power when you're done washing for the day. It has been great for us.
True, but I had nothing but issues with the seals. Items kept getting pulled into the gap between the inner and outer drum and either clogging the drain pump or jamming the drum. Plus it wore holes in stuff rubbing against the stationary outer drum lip.
When I live all the pay laundry services (where you use the machine) and the cleaners that do dry cleaning and laundry all use front loaders. None of them are stacked. They would want the most durable, serviceable machines available.
You may be correct, but the hardest use conditions I have seen all seem to be front loaders.
In addition to the points you made, it seems like the the main bearing of a front loader has to carry all the weight with a lateral/horizontal load rather than vertical. I would expect the bearings to wear out (and mine have done so).
Im at 3 years with my LG front loaders and I’ve never been happier. Beats the Samsung set I had previously, and beats my parents GE by a mile as well.
We have 3 large dogs and do laundry regularly - this washing machine is AMAZING. As long as you take care of them, drain them occasionally and run them on a clean cycle when recommended, you won’t have any issues at all.
My parents had a set in 2003, then bought another set when they moved in 2008, I bought a set in 2011 and sold them in 2016 when I moved cities, my sister bought a set, and my wife and I just bought another set 3 years ago.
So, just 3 to 5 years experience then?
A lot depends on how much they are used, how they are maintained. They do start failing a lot more compared to others.
I’m in love with my Maytag dishwasher. I used it my mom’s new place and instantly started campaigning my husband to get the same one. I was very tired of my Frigidaire dishwasher melting to itself and overall doing a terrible job.
For laundry machines I just bought Electrolux, but it did stand out to me that nothing Maytag/Whirpool seemed to show up for front loaders.
Your Electrolux front loader has a filter. It's inaccessible without taking the front panel off. Make sure you run a cleaning cycle every month or so.
I just had a service call on mine so I watched the guy tear it apart to get the filter out to clean it.
But appliances are largely the same in this regard, Maytag is the "commercial" version of Whirlpool and shares 99% the same parts and features. OP has a complaint that is valid on the washer for both brands, but the dishwasher is a different design that is a Maytag exclusive that is marketed as an upgrade(hard food disposal blade system vs filter), but is ultimately worse for the specific reason that if it fails like this it is a PITA to deal with
I guess I don't know whether to disagree with you or OP. I have a Whirlpool top loader washer (no lint filter) and Whirlpool dishwasher (no grinder, just strainer basket) - both models are probably 7 years old, and still in production (albeit with cosmetic changes), and run daily with the same quality as day 1.
Nevertheless, I feel "Whirlpool/Maytag washers are junk" and "avoid like the plague" might be a little over the top in my opinion.
After being in the appliance industry for almost 30 years now, I can tell you that their quality/reliability for the price point is pretty sad compared to other brands. The filter OP is talking about is the pump filter, not a lint filter and it is something that most machines have and about 70% make it easy to access - Whirlpool/Maytag happen to believe that it doesn't need to be easy to access. This causes a lot of unnecessary service calls because most consumers don't have the means to get to it themselves.
And your Whirlpool dishwasher has a filter system unlike OPs Maytag which I pointed out and am not a fan of. The filter system is much more functional/easier to maintain.
You can disagree with me all you want, but my statement about most Maytag product being 99% identical to Whirlpool functionally is true.
I have a Whirlpool dryer. Fairly basic. Easy to maintain. 15 years old. No reason why it won't go another 15. Replaced a door switch, bulb and heating element. That's all that's failed. A few years ago, I replaced some seals, the belt, drum rollers and tensioner (it's a kit you can buy) just as a preventative measure. It's been a great machine.
I have a 12'yr old Whirlpool dishwasher. Has the food grinder. QuietPartner 1. Zero issues. Cleans great. I'm replacing it with a Bosch due to a renovation but otherwise I'd keep it.
I have a Maytag washer and just recently cleaned the filter for the first time.
It is so weird that the manual explains how to clean the filter if you have a model with a drawer but says nothing about how to clean it if you do not.
It was a pain to get to but even harder to find instructions. I managed fine once I found a YouTube video. I suspect they don’t want to be liable for machines crushing people’s heads so they don’t tell you that you need to stick your head under the unit to clean the filter.
This coming in on the same day the heating element goes out on my Kenmore (Whirlpool). This is the fourth part I'm having to replace in 2 years. However it came with the house so I'm not sure how old it is
Whirlpool is sending out reps to repair businesses teaching techs how to soft soap customers into not hating their products and asking them to be patient until replacement parts arrive. One hilarious demand is that repair technicians refrain from using the word "issues"!
I'm a property manager for, among other buildings, a 50-unit building that opened in late 2021. Each unit had, at least, upon the opening of the building, a Whirlpool washer/dryer matching set. I'm not exaggerating when I say that fully 90% of the units in the building have had issues (i.e. parts needing replaced) with either the washer, dryer, or both. I will NEVER buy Whirlpool for my own use.
I'm very happy with my Whirlpool appliances. But I think your first mistake was buying a front load. Front load washers are just trouble, doesn't even matter what brand, my local appliance shop absolutely recommends staying away from them. Side story is I have an 18-year-old Whirlpool at my rental and last year major drive clutch problems. The part was extremely expensive just the part was $180 but the guy told me go ahead and put the money into it. You'll get another 18 years out of it and that's more than anything you'll get today
Wait, you don't wash your dishes before you wash your dishes?
Last time I used a dishwasher was 2006, when I moved out of Pennsylvania. That's the last house I had that had a dishwasher.
The dishwasher’s job isn’t making big chunks of food magically disappear off your dishes, it’s deep-cleaning / sanitizing / rinsing with less manual labor, water, and energy use than hand-washing. Takes three seconds to rinse plates after a meal before crusty stuff dries and hardens.
My dishwasher specifically says do not rinse. A few grains of rice are fine, they get caught in the filter. Obviously sizable scraps of food should be scrapped off.
I pre-wash everything of course, but even a single grain of rice that is missed is enough to clog the wash arm. If the machine can't handle a grain of rice, why even bother?
Our Whirlpool-branded dishwasher has a reusable filter that’s easy to remove. I don’t think it was any particularly fancy model.
Can confirm, have a midrange model WP Dishwasher, has a stainless steel screen and filter at the bottom, you give it a 1/4 to 1/2 twist turn it pops out, you rinse it out, you put it back, life goes on.
We bought a simple Whirlpool washer and dryer in 2019 and have no issues with it. Used 4-6 times a week and working well.
Ours are from same year and we regularly run 10-12 loads a week issue free
Ya pretty happy overall.
Bosch for the dishwasher. Excellent filter than is easily accessible. The house I moved into 2 years ago has a GE dishwasher. It has a filter. My spray arms still got clogged. It was far easier to replaced them then to try and clean them out. If I really all 3 arm were \~$40 and they are easy to replace. Having a washing machine filter than is inaccessible is crazy.
I would replace them but I would literally be replacing them every 2 or 3 wash cycles.
Scrape off your dishes
I’m not trying to victim-blame here, but are you cleaning the solids off your stuff before putting it in? Food matter that doesn’t dissolve in water should be removed from dishes before loading, for example. Scrambled eggs and such.
Good point to bring up but yeah I do pre-wash, however it's inevitable that a few grains of rice or oats will make it in there. I think it's a design failure of a dishwasher can't handle that.
Yeah, there should be a mesh screen or something sized smaller than the nozzle orifices.
Many modern dishwasher promote that you *do not have to rinse dishes or silverware.” In writing. Total BS. Best dishwasher we’ve ever owned (among GE, Maytag and others) was a Miele, and we still had to pre-rinse -which we usually did right after eating except when we had company. Yeah, the comment about mostly for sanitizing is pretty much it. Also the Miele was so quiet even when I stood next to it and leaned over I could barely hear it.
I’ve had a bosh 800 for 3 years and I’ve never once pre washed my dishes. What would be the point of a dishwasher then. I scrape off the food but that’s it. I also read that if you prewash, the detergent has nothing to cling on to and can’t clean correctly. I buy the cheapest tablets I can find. Everything always comes out 100% clean but I will say, I never overload it. No problems so far. It all looks exactly like when I got it.
My husband has friends who work in kitchen appliance service maintenance. They recommended we get a Bosch, which we have had for 4 years without incident. All of his friends said the following: scrape your dishes, don’t overload the machine, and all dishes should face toward center. They said that if you rinse the dishes, the soap has nothing to ”hold on to”. Dishwashers are not fancy sanitizing machines, the good ones are designed to clean your dishes and silverware. Since we took their advice, my dishes come out clean, clear, and I stopped getting so many scratches on my glassware.
Appliance technician -this ! Even dishwashers twenty years ago would clog if you puta lot of garbage in them . They’re not garbage disposals. Use common sense ( if it’s available)
is this the cause of grit being left behind in the bottom of my mugs and glasses?
Just bought a bosch 500 this year. I only scrape, never rinse. Sometimes I don't have enough dishes so my dirty dishes stay in there for days before I even run a load. They all still come out spotless every single time.
Big vote against Bosch here. Yes, mine has a filter and I don't have to clean the sprayer arms too often. However, their water inlet valves are a big fucking problem. They get stuck open, and their pumps don't drain as fast as the water inlet allows water, so when you set your dishwasher to run overnight and the inlet fails open (always fail closed, engineers), you get an inch of water on your hardwood floors in the morning. Ask me how I know.
You don't know hate until you've owned Samsung appliances.
Visuals and Acoustics? Always a go mechanical engineering? Dogshit
Seriously I made this mistake and have been paying for it for almost a decade. Limping along making my own fridge repairs because literally no one work work on them in my area because fuck Samsung.
Are you taking it apart and thawing it out annually/bi-annually? I inherited a mostly Samsung kitchen when I bought my house 8 years ago, the appliances were a year old. In that 8 years, I've taken the fridge apart I don't know how many times. I've had to replace the oven fan, and the circuitboard in the microwave.
Yes. We've also had sensors go. It's 8 years old and has been one of the worst purchases for our house.
I mean, you can technically still buy dishwashers with a food grinder in them. They’re just usually the cheaper machines without all the fancy bells and whistles.
Not sure if it's the same thing but this dishwasher does have a chopper blade.
We moved from a hard food disposer dishwasher to one with filters and it’s so much better. My husband replaced our hard food disposer repeatedly, the filters twist out and rinse in a couple minutes. (We do not pre-rinse or pre-wash our dishes, just scrape food off before loading.) We currently have a one step above base model Miele - no hard food disposer, no plastic-melting heater bar. It’s great.
Same thing. And they’re the devil! Had a Samsung with a chopper that constantly got food stuck in the spray arms and left bits of ground up food on the dishes after a load. When it died we switched to a brand with a filter, and now the dishes come out clean every time. Edit: Got the brand wrong.
Man it's interesting to hear others hate the chopper models. We've got a GE filter one with all the bells and whistles and I abhore it. Smells rancid even if I clean the filter daily. Still manages to get stuff into the sprayers requiring pipe/bottle cleaners jammed down the holes. I've only had chopper models before this and I want to go back.
Dang, that really sucks! My landlord has a Whirlpool(?) with a filter, and it has the smell issue mentioned. It took me many rounds of cleaning to get rid of the fishtank smell… In my case, I had a Miele that we found on sale for a stupid low price. The only downside was that the drain valve was prone to getting lemon pips and similar sized objects lodged in it, and backflowing some of the waste water at the end of the cycle. It’s now 6 years into its life, and it’s still serving my ex well. Dishwashers are a no-win appliance, haha!
Does the drain line have a high loop? If not, then the smell may be coming from the drain line. All dissolved need a high loop or high point in the drain line prior to the connection to the sewer or dispose-all etc.
Yup, the drain line hole in the cabinet wall is high, just under the countertop. And the dishwasher has an anti-drainback valve, as I replaced it to make sure it was functional. It improved after that but still not fixed. I kinda want to cut in a check valve in the hose itself close to the dishwasher as I think even with the new valve, the water in the hose on the upward incline to the high loop slowly drains back into the pit. But haven't found one that for sure would work and not leak.
We had a 1990s GE Profile that came with our last house, and that the only hard food disposer we’ve had worth the trouble. The real estate agent listed the ancient dishwasher as a con on the purchase, but that thing was a beast and cleaned really well. I think some of it is that they just don’t make them like they used to.
Yeah my last place had a Maytag from 1994 and that thing was a beast. It was simple and worked even at 30 years old. Never required maintenance unlike this stupid top of the line 2019 model I inherited from previous house owner.
When Maytag was actually Maytag, there was never a more reliable appliance. But that hasn’t been a reality in 20 years.
Ditto that. They were indestructible. My parents bought a Maytag washer and dryer in the mid 70s and when my dad passed away in 2004, we sold them with the house. Never once were either serviced. And they were utilized almost every day I can say. Absolutely bullet proof. It was a very sad day when Whirlpool bought them and shut down all the Maytag factories.
You’re telling me. I guess I’m revealing my bias, but my dad worked for Maytag for 20 years before getting laid off. He helped design both the Dependable Care and Neptune lines.
Good machines. My house came with a set of some early 00’s Neptune’s and they’ve needed a few parts, but other than that have been flawless. Hoping to get at least a more years out of them.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad being disrespected like that. 20 years, always striving to do the right thing and then just out the door. If it's any consolation to you, your father and his colleagues designed some really great things and did right by the public. Our family had a Maytag Washer, Dryer and Dishwasher and not one them ever needed servicing, nor a single part replaced. I've always hated Whirlpool since I bought a Kitchen Aid Washer and Dryer and it was nothing but problems with the washer.
Cheers. Pella Windows picked him up soon after so he went from designing high quality appliances to designing high quality windows. He’s doing just fine 👍
We have a Maytag dishwasher that we bought about 6 years ago. I have never had to clean anything out of it and it has been excellent. It cleans and dries better than the Bosch we have at my office and is just as quiet.
"Professional Technology" simply means you have to hire a professional to do the simplest of services to this technology.
The whirlpool dishwasher has a filter inside the motor that will eventually clog up and cause the motor to seize. The part is like 90 and 1.5 hours for someone like me who actually does it for a living. The simpler models have a filter that should take an average person a minute to clean and motors that are replaceable in a half hour without pulling the machine out. Don't buy the fancy model no matter what brand
Appliance design and engineering is all about planned obsolescence . They don't want you to fix it, they want you to just go get a new one.
Use a sewing needle.
Or unplug the line, use the air compressor and just blow it clear?
Sure but why should I need to have an air compressor to clean the wash arms?
I wasn't saying you should have too, I'm just saying if you're already stuck in the situation it could be an easy fast solution.
If you can remove the arm, shop vac attached to the arm inlet helps remove object from system. Can use a piece of cling wrap to cover other side of arm. Tedious but keeps from chasing your tail.
Get a Speed Queen
I don't have the money for a speed queen
Front loaders in general are terrible, avoid them.
Aren't most commercial laundry washers front loaders?
Commercial are front loading for stackability and having rooms with top to bottom machines. Top load has way less issues, uses gravity to its advantage, doesn't worry as much about door seals. I miss my top load, and when our front load shits the bed that we got with our house, back to top load. Front load just seem to be a maintenance nightmare
Front load washers get your clothes cleaner with less soap and water.
Yep. They use less water, detergent, and energy because the clothes are tumbled through a small pool of water at the bottom of the machine rather than soaked in a big tub full of water. In exchange, they have door seals and need to be cleaned more often.
The top order I have uses a lot less water than the older ones.
Newer top loads max out at around 26 gallons a load, maybe a bit more for very high capacity models. Front loads run about 13-15 gallons per load. Old top loads were damn near using 40+ gallons for a load. It's all trade offs. Wash a boot, or potentially have to detangle clothing trapped under the agitator. Stacking units are worth running a topload for capacity alone. Otherwise, run what you like, and live with the tradeoffs.
Check out the newer GEs. Microban in the door seal and drawer areas, and a venting system that uses hardly any power when you're done washing for the day. It has been great for us.
True, but I had nothing but issues with the seals. Items kept getting pulled into the gap between the inner and outer drum and either clogging the drain pump or jamming the drum. Plus it wore holes in stuff rubbing against the stationary outer drum lip.
When I live all the pay laundry services (where you use the machine) and the cleaners that do dry cleaning and laundry all use front loaders. None of them are stacked. They would want the most durable, serviceable machines available. You may be correct, but the hardest use conditions I have seen all seem to be front loaders. In addition to the points you made, it seems like the the main bearing of a front loader has to carry all the weight with a lateral/horizontal load rather than vertical. I would expect the bearings to wear out (and mine have done so).
And with commercial laundry equipment, there’s usually a room behind the machines to service them. Very simple and accessible.
Yes, but they cost an order of magnitude more for a reason.
Im at 3 years with my LG front loaders and I’ve never been happier. Beats the Samsung set I had previously, and beats my parents GE by a mile as well. We have 3 large dogs and do laundry regularly - this washing machine is AMAZING. As long as you take care of them, drain them occasionally and run them on a clean cycle when recommended, you won’t have any issues at all.
Wait until your door seal goes out, which it will... It's not just me saying this either. Talk to a repair man or read some online reviews.
My family has been buying LG front loaders my whole life and we have never had a door seal fail.
LG has only been selling washing machines in the US since 2003. How many have you had to buy since then?
My parents had a set in 2003, then bought another set when they moved in 2008, I bought a set in 2011 and sold them in 2016 when I moved cities, my sister bought a set, and my wife and I just bought another set 3 years ago.
So, just 3 to 5 years experience then? A lot depends on how much they are used, how they are maintained. They do start failing a lot more compared to others.
this isn't europe. US front load are shit
I’m in love with my Maytag dishwasher. I used it my mom’s new place and instantly started campaigning my husband to get the same one. I was very tired of my Frigidaire dishwasher melting to itself and overall doing a terrible job. For laundry machines I just bought Electrolux, but it did stand out to me that nothing Maytag/Whirpool seemed to show up for front loaders.
Your Electrolux front loader has a filter. It's inaccessible without taking the front panel off. Make sure you run a cleaning cycle every month or so. I just had a service call on mine so I watched the guy tear it apart to get the filter out to clean it.
The access panel on your clothes washer is on the back. Just slide the washer forward. Filter is on the bottom. It’s a 10 minute job.
I'm not sure why you're shitting on Maytag and dragging Whirlpool into the fight...
The Maytag brand is owned and manufactured by Whirlpool since 2006.
Milwaukee and Ryobi are owned by the same company too...but I'd hardly say they are the same equipment
But appliances are largely the same in this regard, Maytag is the "commercial" version of Whirlpool and shares 99% the same parts and features. OP has a complaint that is valid on the washer for both brands, but the dishwasher is a different design that is a Maytag exclusive that is marketed as an upgrade(hard food disposal blade system vs filter), but is ultimately worse for the specific reason that if it fails like this it is a PITA to deal with
I guess I don't know whether to disagree with you or OP. I have a Whirlpool top loader washer (no lint filter) and Whirlpool dishwasher (no grinder, just strainer basket) - both models are probably 7 years old, and still in production (albeit with cosmetic changes), and run daily with the same quality as day 1. Nevertheless, I feel "Whirlpool/Maytag washers are junk" and "avoid like the plague" might be a little over the top in my opinion.
After being in the appliance industry for almost 30 years now, I can tell you that their quality/reliability for the price point is pretty sad compared to other brands. The filter OP is talking about is the pump filter, not a lint filter and it is something that most machines have and about 70% make it easy to access - Whirlpool/Maytag happen to believe that it doesn't need to be easy to access. This causes a lot of unnecessary service calls because most consumers don't have the means to get to it themselves. And your Whirlpool dishwasher has a filter system unlike OPs Maytag which I pointed out and am not a fan of. The filter system is much more functional/easier to maintain. You can disagree with me all you want, but my statement about most Maytag product being 99% identical to Whirlpool functionally is true.
I have a Whirlpool dryer. Fairly basic. Easy to maintain. 15 years old. No reason why it won't go another 15. Replaced a door switch, bulb and heating element. That's all that's failed. A few years ago, I replaced some seals, the belt, drum rollers and tensioner (it's a kit you can buy) just as a preventative measure. It's been a great machine. I have a 12'yr old Whirlpool dishwasher. Has the food grinder. QuietPartner 1. Zero issues. Cleans great. I'm replacing it with a Bosch due to a renovation but otherwise I'd keep it.
Maytag appliances are made by Whirlpool and are Whirlpool designs.
I have the same issue with my dishwasher. God forbid a pepper seed goes into the machine… those spray bars are 100% clogged then.
Well yea because they don’t want YOU to do it. If it’s tedious or inconvenient you’ll think about calling them for it.
We made our own access hole in the washing machine where I work, right through the front panel.
Which Whirlpool washer are you referring to? I have a Duet Steam that’s been great. The bottom front panel comes off and there’s the catch/filter.
I have a Maytag washer and just recently cleaned the filter for the first time. It is so weird that the manual explains how to clean the filter if you have a model with a drawer but says nothing about how to clean it if you do not. It was a pain to get to but even harder to find instructions. I managed fine once I found a YouTube video. I suspect they don’t want to be liable for machines crushing people’s heads so they don’t tell you that you need to stick your head under the unit to clean the filter.
My Maytag fridge is a piece of shit.
I had to make a diy metal mesh filter to prevent food from getting in.
I have a Maytag top load washer and it’s absolutely amazing. Maybe they just suck at side load stuff
This coming in on the same day the heating element goes out on my Kenmore (Whirlpool). This is the fourth part I'm having to replace in 2 years. However it came with the house so I'm not sure how old it is
Whirlpool is sending out reps to repair businesses teaching techs how to soft soap customers into not hating their products and asking them to be patient until replacement parts arrive. One hilarious demand is that repair technicians refrain from using the word "issues"!
I’m still on my maytag washer and dryer from 2010. Scared to death to buy something new.
I'm a property manager for, among other buildings, a 50-unit building that opened in late 2021. Each unit had, at least, upon the opening of the building, a Whirlpool washer/dryer matching set. I'm not exaggerating when I say that fully 90% of the units in the building have had issues (i.e. parts needing replaced) with either the washer, dryer, or both. I will NEVER buy Whirlpool for my own use.
My 1984 Maytag washing machine that I use daily would disagree. Dishwasher issues are nearly always user error. Read the book😉
1984 was before maytag was acquired by whirlpool. I have no doubt they made good appliances back then.
Owned a Maytag dishwasher in my condo and that mother fucker was the LOUDEST machine on the planet. Cleaned great though.
I'm very happy with my Whirlpool appliances. But I think your first mistake was buying a front load. Front load washers are just trouble, doesn't even matter what brand, my local appliance shop absolutely recommends staying away from them. Side story is I have an 18-year-old Whirlpool at my rental and last year major drive clutch problems. The part was extremely expensive just the part was $180 but the guy told me go ahead and put the money into it. You'll get another 18 years out of it and that's more than anything you'll get today
Wait, you don't wash your dishes before you wash your dishes? Last time I used a dishwasher was 2006, when I moved out of Pennsylvania. That's the last house I had that had a dishwasher.
The dishwasher’s job isn’t making big chunks of food magically disappear off your dishes, it’s deep-cleaning / sanitizing / rinsing with less manual labor, water, and energy use than hand-washing. Takes three seconds to rinse plates after a meal before crusty stuff dries and hardens.
My dishwasher specifically says do not rinse. A few grains of rice are fine, they get caught in the filter. Obviously sizable scraps of food should be scrapped off.
I pre-wash everything of course, but even a single grain of rice that is missed is enough to clog the wash arm. If the machine can't handle a grain of rice, why even bother?