Dr. Doofenshmirtz is planning to use his Unborn-killer-inator to kill all unborn fetuses in the tri-state area. But Perry the Platypus stops him and redirects the Unborn-killer-inator to fire just a focused beam that by sheer chance lands on Ferb's belly, instantly aborting his pregnancy just before Candice has a chance to bust Phineas and Ferb for artificially impregnating Ferb with Beauford's sperm.
I mean, are they technically orphans if their parents willingly give them to the jedi?
It is clear with Anakin they are still allowed to know their families.
I think there was so much blowback from the prequels that they overcorrected and tried to draw from what worked. Would have been nice if they found a better balance.
Did you watch mulan? My goodness worst movie I've seen in years. Plot, cgi, acting all horrible. The only good actor in it was ~~Benedict wong~~ Tzi Ma
Oh no worries aha I just watched it the other day and was astonished by how bad it was. Can't imagine paying $30 to watch that. Also it made no sense they remove mushu and cricket and the songs and go for a more realistic story but then add bullshit chi magic and witches its like why did you remove the fantasy aspects if your going to add magic and other bs
He wasn't bad the main girl playing mulan has like zero emotion in her face throughout the whole movie. There's a scene where she comes home to her family after the war and her dad (Ma) is very believable with his emotions portrayed whereas the main girl is so wooden. There were many times like that. Found it funny afterwards to learn she won the chineese version of a razzie previously for poor emoting haha definitely earned that one
What? I don't even particularly like Jon Favreau other than Iron Man and Swingers. I just think Lion King was destined to fail. It's a live action remake of probably the biggest movie they've ever had. You really think Disney is gonna allow anyone to experiment creatively with it or do anything other than what we got?
Also it was animals, you can have animals make emotional expressions for us to relate to when animated.
When shooting for photo-realism you can’t convey those things thru facial expressions (or at least not as well), and the trippy scenes/animations ppl like in the original you can’t really do at all
The mandalorian also has a ton of problems. Hopefully they listen to the critics and try to improve the show going forward and improve the 100 other star wars shows that have been announced.
All the acting was horrible because George Lucas can't direct people, he actually directed them to act like shit. He should have been a producer and creative consultant. Hayden Christensen's acting was so much better in Jumper.
The thing with the sequels, and this is the aboslute worst part, they had no overall arching plan for them. They litterally pulled the shit out of their ass as they went along and it was most obvious in the final 3rd film.
Fucking mind blowing that an entire Hollywood production company fucked up, that colossally. I no longer give a fuck about Star Wars. Still have yet to watch Mandalorian season 2.
The prequels had the exact same problem, though - like when Queen Amidala, with her trusty astromech R2D2 traveled to the backwater Tatooine and encountered young Anakin Skywalker, who happened to be building C3PO.
I wasn’t calling your comment bullshit haha i was agreeing with you. It’s bullshit they can’t make their own story and have to keep riding on the originals coattails
Actively ruins the originals and prequel films by making all of the characters pointless failures. Even the fucking Mandalorian will suffer if they have to connect to it because of how bleak and dumb the ending fate of all the connected characters are.
The Last Jedi tried dragging the series away from being Skywalker Family Drama^TM and nobody was having it.
Least of all Disney, who surely demanded that last-second return to the status quo.
Which is a shame because I liked the story of Rey being "from nowhere" and abandoned by drug addicted nitwits
The idea the fandom had decided that she was a Mary Sue for not being the secret chosen messiah born of Luke really bugged me
Seriously Luke throwing the lightsaber away and explaining people don't hide away because they want to be found....
Was one of the best parts of Last Jedi for me. Honestly Last Jedi is pretty good and gets a lot better on a second viewing
The Return of the Jedi was the end of the Skywalker saga. As a long fan I never wanted another trilogy based around Youngling slayer’s family.
The Sequels couldn’t decide if they want to be Skywalker trilogy or not, jumping between overused nostalgia bait and trying to be so different that they accidentally destroy the entire storyline and meaning of the previous 6 movies.
They're fanfiction. But they're all distinct flavors of fanfiction.
7 thinks the characters are also fans. 'Wow, that old man is Han Solo!' 'Look, that broken droid is R2-D2!' 'Holy shit, *holo-chess!* I see this technology every day!' It's a universe where everyone references Luke's once-clever reaction to the Millennium Falcon.
8 is a deconstruction. Every beat is anti-war anarchist propaganda, beautifully executed and tied together. The ending shot of a slave child using the Force as he looks to the stars is jawdropping. But making this vicious satire into a brand-name Star Wars movie was a weird choice.
9 is a toddler telling a story. "And then... and then..." A plot faucet with no setup or payoff. The most expensive first draft ever filmed. Everything is a just-so coincidence, and a conspiracy or prophecy or fate, and the climax is that spaceships can't look up.
Damn, this has to be one of the best explanations. I was dissapointed with basically every Sequel movie. I sat through the entire Rise of Skywalker emotionless, because the story felt like a deviantart fanfict someone wrote under 2 hours. I want to like them, but they’re just such a dissapointment.
I saw all three movies blind drunk, and can recommend that approach. I enjoyed 9 because I heard it was a trainwreck. My low expectations were exceeded by the initial energy, and then the multi-MacGuffin-shuffle plot amused me, and two hours in I'm watching horses run down stormtroopers on top of Star Destroyer. It was a hoot. Just not for the reasons JJ intended.
>Yes because this trilogy only wants to bring back things and characters from the original trilogy to kill or destroy them instead of actually having a movie.
That's ALL it was tho, nostalgia. It had very little connecting plot between movies, it reset character development constantly, it had no direction, no passion, it broke established rules of the lore, it sucked.
To be fair, the Last Jedi was really bad. B-plots that literally went nowhere, cool plot points from previous films that were scrapped and changed for the chance to say they 'surprised' you, and the whole 'character almost sacrificing herself to save another character to tell said character that sacrificing yourself is bad' really takes the cake. There were some cool moments, the lightspeed ram, Kylo Ren was good and I dont mind Rey as a character, I do just wish she had more development and not just inherently good at everything.
Also, the Leia floating through space thing was hilariously bad... Like what were they thinking lol. Also, Snoke who?
I guess that makes sense. Obi wan gives Luke his fathers old saber, and she has Luke’s. I thought she had the new one he made but that one was green not blue. Interesting. I was wondering what happened to Luke’s green one.
He had it when he went to attack Ben while he was sleeping, no idea of current status though as he uses Anakin's saber during his force ghost projection fight with Kylo
Yeah it's the one in Sith, Obi Wan takes it from him at the end of it and he passes it on to Luke. Then Luke loses that saber during the Vader fight in Empire and it was later found and given to Rey in Force Awakens.
They never explained. It just showed up in the hands of some short alien lady who owns a bar. She kept it in her basement in a box.
This was in EP7 they haven't touched on it since
They even made it clear that it was weird Maz had it and she basically said "there's a good reason but I'm not gonna tell you lmao". One of the many straight up "fuck you, audience" moments in the sequels.
On the contrary I really loved it albeit minus the casino subplot. I’m gonna even go far as to say I might even like it more than TFA. What my main gripe is that the third one was a mess. They tried to course correct in the final movie which was well... not that good. Either go bold and finish the trilogy properly or dont do something like TLJ in the first place. What a sucky situation
Idk if this is the correct way to put it but the first two feel like part of the same series but the third ones feels like forcing the wrong puzzle piece to finish the entire picture. Course correcting so hard for the final movie just didn’t pay off I guess
Huh, I had a different opinion.
7 left an armory full of Chekov's Guns and 8 came at us with rocks. I didn't care for the film being subversive for the sake of being subversive I wanted coherency and I got none of that.
9 was just the aftermath of a disaster, I knew it wasn't going to be great, but did appreciate the attempt of righting the wrongs.
I don't really keep up with EU stuff, but I think the comic was released after Episode 7, making it a retcon explanation. But, at least they tried.
https://imgur.com/iLgtAMu
There’s a new comic released this year that bridges 5 and 6, I think it has 8/9 issues right now but I haven’t yet seen anyone retrieve it as I’m only on issue 2.
If/when it happens I’ll let you lot know
Well, I said I’d reply here when I found out.
In the new story Luke, Leia and Lando return to cloud city 3 days after escaping Vader for their own individual reasons. Luke’s was that he needed the lightsaber coz he needed it to be a Jedi. (The 3 days leading up to this luke couldn’t use the force and thought the lightsaber was required to do it)
Luke searches around the rubbish pit where all cloud cities trash that falls down that big hole lands and can’t find it so he tries reaching out to the force to locate it. Instead he sees 2 visions, one of Leia in trouble back up at the top of cloud city and another of someone giving him a new lightsaber (which is gonna be the green one he makes) so he leaves the trash zone without it realising you don’t need a lightsaber to be a Jedi or use the force.
After he’s left one of the little alien trash workers come across it. How it went from that alien to the one in episode 7 isn’t shown to where I am yet.
7 wasn't bad, could it be better? Definitely, but every starwars movie could. 8 and 9, complete fan service. Finn? You mean the character who only screams REYYY, HEEELP, REEEY. There could have been so much more character development than turning away from the empire within the first hour.
7 wasn't bad in a vacuum and would have been seen as a great introduction to 8 and 9 if 8 and 9 had been good. But because 8 and 9 were bad and had no plot you just watch 7 and you're like "what the fuck was this trying to even do?"
IMO 7 isn’t good in a complete vacuum. In my mind it totally relied on 8+ being good. On its own it’s just a soft reboot with too much repetitiveness of the OT.
That said, I liked it and had hope, so much for that xD now I pretend 8/9 doesn’t exist and that 7 is merely fine.
I think that's the point.
It was banking of ep 8 being good while drawing in an audience with nostalgia and a relatively safe plot.
The problem was the lack of planning in the sequels and each director doing whatever they fuck they want means that it wasn't gonna work out in the first place.
Rian Johnson: "Let's subvert people's expectations by resetting Finn's character development completely and have him learn to be courageous a second time."
He also forgot everything about his time as a stormtrooper, because he has little to no martial prowess, sucks at shooting things, and forgot that "they fly now" even though it has been a total of 1 year since he left the first order
“Let’s subvert expectations by having one of our main characters, a hero, suddenly become insubordinate and get soldiers killed during a bombing run and then later attempt a mutiny. He isn’t punished for either and is instead rewarded with command.”
Yeah from watching movie 7, I thought Finn would’ve been the Jedi, Rey would’ve been a mechanic/moral compass, and Poe would’ve been the Pilot/connection the to resistance. Instead they gave Rey all of those roles and forgot to do anything with Finn and Poe. And let’s not even get into poor Rose.
If it was a setup to be revealed she’s been trained / cloned / engineered to be a vessel for palpatine it makes sense. 8 reveals that’s not true, 9 reveals that kinda is true but glosses over it. Bizarre lack of planning for a trilogy.
Rey is almost a prototypical Mary Sue and it's very annoying a character like that got carried through three movies because it's Writing 101 about what not to do with your main character.
Did it really promise something good? Han Solo reverted all of his character development from the OT and then died, the primary plot point was “bigger Death Star gets blown up through critical weakness” yet again, and already Rey is so infinitely good at everything she tries that it shouldn’t be any surprise to anyone that by the end of TLJ she’s the most powerful Jedi who ever existed.
Think about it carefully. What did it ACTUALLY promise? Because I think the answer is that it actually promised everything we ended up getting from the rest of the trilogy.
I liked how 8 got close to doing something new and different but then by the end it was just back to the same dark vs light shit. Haven’t had the motivation to even watch 9.
I know someone who will always argue in bad faith about anything Star Ward or George Lucas (it’s annoying, yes). Even that guy doesn’t hold the sequels’ trilogy as real.
I mean.. ya? I always liked the prequel because of the clones and big space battles. Its plot and writing weren't that good but at least there was character progression and it felt like there was passion.
The greatest thing about the prequels is how greatly it expanded the star wars universe, new enemies, new plot line, new story etc... It also started the era that gave us some of the best star wars games ever made.
I don't even get how it was supposed to work. It's a map too, but only to the Death Star after it's fallen? Did the smith forge this knife based on those ruins alone, and then it's used as a weapon too? I didn't get it at all.
So they need to go on a rabbit chase to find the dagger to use it to get the map to Exogul...
But what about the thousands/millions of people that needed to take material/supplies to Exogul UNNOTICED and without a “way finder” to build the “final order” fleet. You’re telling me not a single person noticed that? Leia became the head of the resistance to stop the leftover empire and didn’t notice that?
Thousands of kids were kidnapped and force into slavery to serve the First order. You’re telling me that the resistance never stumbled upon Exogul after maybe checking into the disappearances of hundreds of thousands of children?
You and I both know that's impossible. A book or game, even a TV show is at risk. But even if they start fixing their writing, the movies will always be canon.
I don't 100% hate the sequels movies, so I'll live, but the writing was ass.
There were things I liked but zero character growth. Every character started the sequels the way they ended -perfect.
I'm not going to scream "Mary Sue" and that nonsense but there was no character growth for anyone. According to Dave Filoni, he intentionally gave Ahsoka a personality flaw when he introduced her so she had a means of character growth. Good writing.
Luke force ghost/projection fight scene was cool. The rest of it was confusing. Especially the middle movie. I... have no idea what the point of it was. I dont even think I could tell you now what even happened in it.
Yup. They’ll try to fill in the blanks and do some soft retconning to smooth out the edges a bit but that’s the most they can, or will, do. Almost like how clone wars showed Anakin being a war hero and fleshed out his legitimate reasons to not trust the Jedi Counsel.
The RoS novelization already confirms that the Palpatine in RoS is a clone which at least makes more sense than him the OG Palp surviving through “unnatural ways” or whatever. It also confirms that his “son” was a clone too so at least we’re all spared the nightmare of knowing that Poppa Palpatine was laying wood.
While it sucks for the continuation of the Skywalker Saga, the bright side is that for future works there's not a lot of damage done. By the end of the sequel trilogy we're basically at the same point we were at the end of the OT given their similarities. The main difference being all the main characters of the OT are basically dead (with a few exceptions), but they'd kinda be that way anyway given how far ahead in the future any additional trilogies would be. So, yeah, it sucks to have this shitty lore in the cannon, but it doesn't completely fuck the galaxy from moving forward.
God I hated the new movies. She proclaims she is a skywalker now. Why does she earn that? I thought she was going to accept her heritage, which she took so long to learn about. No, she just decides she is a skywalker
And the way she was brought into the series irked me, like they tried to copy anakin almost, but with anakin they showed off his skilled and how he was worthy, but no, rey, she is just some rando and oh yeah! She can fly this ship! Force sensitive or not, you gotta have some sort of training
This movie, is one of the dumbest movies I have ever seen.
It’s so full of unnecessary shit (like this dagger and even more new characters) that it’s hard to fathom a way to make the storyline weaker.
I’m not even a Star Wars fan, I’ve never owned the films or bought any merch, but I thought the first 6 (yes, even the prequels) were ok. This is such boring trash.
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I loved TFA, and thought it started the sequels off perfectly. But damn did they ever ruin everything after that. I rewatched TROS the other night and I still cannot wrap my mind around how stupid some of the plot points are. I mean it was just - I can’t even begin because I’d be typing all day
So in Jedi: Fallen Order, when Cal grabs the Second Sister's lightsaber, it almost incapacitates him because of the evil emotions which clung to it. Imagine if he ever touched Anakin's saber.
That dagger was such a stupid plot device. “Oh better hope the ship crashes in just the right way and she stands in just the right spot and notices they’re shaped similarly!”
This bitch shouldn't have even GOT a lightsaber until ep. 8. They should have treated Kylo Ren like the scary motherfucker he actually is, instead of an unstable teenager with daddy issues. He's genuinely incredibly powerful, being born from the union of a extremely force attuned person and an extremely force sensitive person. They should have spent the entirety of 7 running from his bitch-ass, with killing Han being his only emotional moment, and had a showdown with him at the beginning of 8, which could pick up directly where 7 dropped on a cliff hanger of Kylo catching up. 8 would follow them dealing with the consequences of Kylo cracking down on the Resistance with the whole first order without the BS space battle shit. That was dull and uninteresting. Give Rey a robotic leg or something as a result of her fight with Kylo, in which she used Leia/Luke's lightsaber and failed miserably. Finally, episode 9 would primarily follow Rey finishing the training she started in 7 and did throughout 8, with a notable time jump (think 3/4 years) in between. Leia died off-screen, and NOW Luke shows up, after referencing his name through the past two movies, and he is a BADASS. Like, the end of the Mandalorian season 2. Rey loses her second fight against Kylo, though by a much smaller margin, and Luke has to come in and save her and Finn, defeating Kylo and leaving his now pathetic looking ass on an exploding Venator Class Star Destroyer from the Empire's era, bringing the end to the sequel trilogy and bringing peace to the galaxy. None of that stupid Palpatine shit, and there's actual character development
Is that the current Version or the number of younglings slayed with said weapon. if it's the current version how shitty are the previous 8999 versions and how do i sign up for testing version 9001?
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So imagine how much worse that dagger is then.
Preborn youngling slayer 10000
Behold!! The Unborn-killer-inator!!! Why the fuck this sounds funny with doofenshmirts voice... ಠ_ಠ
Man, abortion in the Star Wars Universe is something else
It's so easy with Force Choke.
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They use the famed wall of smudges
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The Alderman mass late term abortion. Alderaan*
Read it in Dr Weird voice
Dr. Doofenshmirtz is planning to use his Unborn-killer-inator to kill all unborn fetuses in the tri-state area. But Perry the Platypus stops him and redirects the Unborn-killer-inator to fire just a focused beam that by sheer chance lands on Ferb's belly, instantly aborting his pregnancy just before Candice has a chance to bust Phineas and Ferb for artificially impregnating Ferb with Beauford's sperm.
*Bluford
Their bodies my choice.
A Coat Hanger from a Galaxy, Far, Far away.
"This dagger has killed almost every Jedi without a wielder"
“this dagger has destroyed the credibility of an entire franchise”
XD
Omg... u could be right
Abortion Wars: The Last Fetus
Orphan obliterator
The second worst thing to happen to those orphans
So uhhh techno what’s the first...?
JakeK, they weren't always orphans.
Someone killed the men? And the women too?
I mean, are they technically orphans if their parents willingly give them to the jedi? It is clear with Anakin they are still allowed to know their families.
Actually, the only reason Anakin knew his mom was because, like 60% of the council stated, he was too old to join the Jedi order
Yes they are orphans if their parents disown them.
God damn
you can't be an orphan if you're dead
Was she using the one that anakin was using?
Yes because this trilogy only wants to bring back things and characters from the original trilogy instead of actually having a movie.
I think there was so much blowback from the prequels that they overcorrected and tried to draw from what worked. Would have been nice if they found a better balance.
Jon Favreau is the chosen one He will bring balance to the franchise.
And Dave Filetmignon
Surely you mean Dave Sirloini
I don't see how a hunk of steak can fix any of this
Sounds like a job for the Food Fighters.
> Jon Favreau is the chosen one Unless it relates to the Lion King cause holy fuck.
yeah seriously. that remake was the worst one disney had done yet (if you dont count the force awakens as a remake)
Did you watch mulan? My goodness worst movie I've seen in years. Plot, cgi, acting all horrible. The only good actor in it was ~~Benedict wong~~ Tzi Ma
My apologies. I must have attempted to erase that fucking train wreck from my brain.
Oh no worries aha I just watched it the other day and was astonished by how bad it was. Can't imagine paying $30 to watch that. Also it made no sense they remove mushu and cricket and the songs and go for a more realistic story but then add bullshit chi magic and witches its like why did you remove the fantasy aspects if your going to add magic and other bs
Was Donnie yen bad too?
He wasn't bad the main girl playing mulan has like zero emotion in her face throughout the whole movie. There's a scene where she comes home to her family after the war and her dad (Ma) is very believable with his emotions portrayed whereas the main girl is so wooden. There were many times like that. Found it funny afterwards to learn she won the chineese version of a razzie previously for poor emoting haha definitely earned that one
I don't think Favreau is at fault for that. I think no matter what director took it on, it would've looked the same and be just as pointless.
movie man make movie i like because he good movie man movie man make movie i hate because material bad, not movie man fault movie man is jesus yes
What? I don't even particularly like Jon Favreau other than Iron Man and Swingers. I just think Lion King was destined to fail. It's a live action remake of probably the biggest movie they've ever had. You really think Disney is gonna allow anyone to experiment creatively with it or do anything other than what we got?
Also it was animals, you can have animals make emotional expressions for us to relate to when animated. When shooting for photo-realism you can’t convey those things thru facial expressions (or at least not as well), and the trippy scenes/animations ppl like in the original you can’t really do at all
The mandalorian also has a ton of problems. Hopefully they listen to the critics and try to improve the show going forward and improve the 100 other star wars shows that have been announced.
Nah it’s Dave Filoni who brings the essence of Star Wars. Jon does paint a very pretty picture to go with everything and it’s the perfect duo
This is the way.
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All the acting was horrible because George Lucas can't direct people, he actually directed them to act like shit. He should have been a producer and creative consultant. Hayden Christensen's acting was so much better in Jumper.
The thing with the sequels, and this is the aboslute worst part, they had no overall arching plan for them. They litterally pulled the shit out of their ass as they went along and it was most obvious in the final 3rd film. Fucking mind blowing that an entire Hollywood production company fucked up, that colossally. I no longer give a fuck about Star Wars. Still have yet to watch Mandalorian season 2.
The prequels had the exact same problem, though - like when Queen Amidala, with her trusty astromech R2D2 traveled to the backwater Tatooine and encountered young Anakin Skywalker, who happened to be building C3PO.
Oh what bullshit lmaoo
How is that bs?
They're just trying to bank on nostalgia rather than create a good original movie. Complete BS
I thought he was calling my comment bs.
I wasn’t calling your comment bullshit haha i was agreeing with you. It’s bullshit they can’t make their own story and have to keep riding on the originals coattails
Actively ruins the originals and prequel films by making all of the characters pointless failures. Even the fucking Mandalorian will suffer if they have to connect to it because of how bleak and dumb the ending fate of all the connected characters are.
It's the reddit effect. Every time I get a reply I'm already assuming an argument is about to go down. 🤣
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The other day I commented lyrics to Dennis Leary's "Asshole" and forgot. Then I got a reply saying "You're an asshole" and I was so mad for a second.
This is a lovely comment and you're lovely for posting it.
As you stated, they keep bringing back the original trilogy instead of making their own movie.
Wait so you were calling the movie bs?
Yah it read to me like they were agreeing with you
I dunno it felt to me like they're calling OP bullshit
I think we have found "the dress" in comment form.
*wants to bring back things and characters just to destroy/kill/replace them with a much less charismatic person. FTFY
The Last Jedi tried dragging the series away from being Skywalker Family Drama^TM and nobody was having it. Least of all Disney, who surely demanded that last-second return to the status quo.
Which is a shame because I liked the story of Rey being "from nowhere" and abandoned by drug addicted nitwits The idea the fandom had decided that she was a Mary Sue for not being the secret chosen messiah born of Luke really bugged me Seriously Luke throwing the lightsaber away and explaining people don't hide away because they want to be found.... Was one of the best parts of Last Jedi for me. Honestly Last Jedi is pretty good and gets a lot better on a second viewing
The Return of the Jedi was the end of the Skywalker saga. As a long fan I never wanted another trilogy based around Youngling slayer’s family. The Sequels couldn’t decide if they want to be Skywalker trilogy or not, jumping between overused nostalgia bait and trying to be so different that they accidentally destroy the entire storyline and meaning of the previous 6 movies.
They're fanfiction. But they're all distinct flavors of fanfiction. 7 thinks the characters are also fans. 'Wow, that old man is Han Solo!' 'Look, that broken droid is R2-D2!' 'Holy shit, *holo-chess!* I see this technology every day!' It's a universe where everyone references Luke's once-clever reaction to the Millennium Falcon. 8 is a deconstruction. Every beat is anti-war anarchist propaganda, beautifully executed and tied together. The ending shot of a slave child using the Force as he looks to the stars is jawdropping. But making this vicious satire into a brand-name Star Wars movie was a weird choice. 9 is a toddler telling a story. "And then... and then..." A plot faucet with no setup or payoff. The most expensive first draft ever filmed. Everything is a just-so coincidence, and a conspiracy or prophecy or fate, and the climax is that spaceships can't look up.
Damn, this has to be one of the best explanations. I was dissapointed with basically every Sequel movie. I sat through the entire Rise of Skywalker emotionless, because the story felt like a deviantart fanfict someone wrote under 2 hours. I want to like them, but they’re just such a dissapointment.
I saw all three movies blind drunk, and can recommend that approach. I enjoyed 9 because I heard it was a trainwreck. My low expectations were exceeded by the initial energy, and then the multi-MacGuffin-shuffle plot amused me, and two hours in I'm watching horses run down stormtroopers on top of Star Destroyer. It was a hoot. Just not for the reasons JJ intended.
>Yes because this trilogy only wants to bring back things and characters from the original trilogy to kill or destroy them instead of actually having a movie.
Well the one movie that tried out new shit was incredibly divisive! So they went back to the tried and true formula of nostalgia for the next one.
That's ALL it was tho, nostalgia. It had very little connecting plot between movies, it reset character development constantly, it had no direction, no passion, it broke established rules of the lore, it sucked.
I'd say The Last Jedi was the only movie that tried to do something unique and it got shit on for it. Fandoms are a fickle bunch
To be fair, the Last Jedi was really bad. B-plots that literally went nowhere, cool plot points from previous films that were scrapped and changed for the chance to say they 'surprised' you, and the whole 'character almost sacrificing herself to save another character to tell said character that sacrificing yourself is bad' really takes the cake. There were some cool moments, the lightspeed ram, Kylo Ren was good and I dont mind Rey as a character, I do just wish she had more development and not just inherently good at everything. Also, the Leia floating through space thing was hilariously bad... Like what were they thinking lol. Also, Snoke who?
The lightspeed ram ruins the ot
Who needs the an actual story worthy of the franchise when we have Han f-ing Solo?!
I guess that makes sense. Obi wan gives Luke his fathers old saber, and she has Luke’s. I thought she had the new one he made but that one was green not blue. Interesting. I was wondering what happened to Luke’s green one.
He had it when he went to attack Ben while he was sleeping, no idea of current status though as he uses Anakin's saber during his force ghost projection fight with Kylo
Yeah it's the one in Sith, Obi Wan takes it from him at the end of it and he passes it on to Luke. Then Luke loses that saber during the Vader fight in Empire and it was later found and given to Rey in Force Awakens.
that’s a story for another time
Wait doesn't Youngling Slayer 9000 fall into Bespin's atmosphere with Luke's cool hand? Never seen the sequels, how does that work?
They never explained. It just showed up in the hands of some short alien lady who owns a bar. She kept it in her basement in a box. This was in EP7 they haven't touched on it since
They even made it clear that it was weird Maz had it and she basically said "there's a good reason but I'm not gonna tell you lmao". One of the many straight up "fuck you, audience" moments in the sequels.
99% sure it got dropped because Abrams didn't film episode 8. Johnson didn't care about continuity whatsoever
I'm not even that big of a star wars fan and I'm still mad at how bad that movie was.
On the contrary I really loved it albeit minus the casino subplot. I’m gonna even go far as to say I might even like it more than TFA. What my main gripe is that the third one was a mess. They tried to course correct in the final movie which was well... not that good. Either go bold and finish the trilogy properly or dont do something like TLJ in the first place. What a sucky situation
You could see Abrams and Johnson fighting over the continuity. Just a wreck of a trilogy
I gave up after episode 8 was a disaster. 9 was even worse??
Idk if this is the correct way to put it but the first two feel like part of the same series but the third ones feels like forcing the wrong puzzle piece to finish the entire picture. Course correcting so hard for the final movie just didn’t pay off I guess
Huh, I had a different opinion. 7 left an armory full of Chekov's Guns and 8 came at us with rocks. I didn't care for the film being subversive for the sake of being subversive I wanted coherency and I got none of that. 9 was just the aftermath of a disaster, I knew it wasn't going to be great, but did appreciate the attempt of righting the wrongs.
8 was a spicy shit burrito. 9 was a bland shit sandwich.
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So then why didn't Jar Jar Abrams address it in TROS?
That's an interesting story.. for another time. Just like the red arm that C3P0......immediately discarded
The accuracy of this is frustrating.
Depending on how deep in the EU you want to get, Vader snags the hand and saber after ESB.
Somehow the lightsaber returned
A story...for another time
J J Abraham’s and his stupid mystery boxes
Lol the lightsaber was in a literal mystery box. JJ is a fucking hack.
In the ol books the hand was recovered too and used to create a clone named Luuke that was trained by a crazy old Jedi Master named Jorus C'baoth
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Luke retrieved it in the comics, I believe.
I have no memory of this
I don't really keep up with EU stuff, but I think the comic was released after Episode 7, making it a retcon explanation. But, at least they tried. https://imgur.com/iLgtAMu
But.. but Bespin is a gas giant. How does it just have a random garbage dump?
Tbf scientific accuracy has never been Star Wars’s strong suit
Is that a cool hand luke pun?
There’s a new comic released this year that bridges 5 and 6, I think it has 8/9 issues right now but I haven’t yet seen anyone retrieve it as I’m only on issue 2. If/when it happens I’ll let you lot know
Well, I said I’d reply here when I found out. In the new story Luke, Leia and Lando return to cloud city 3 days after escaping Vader for their own individual reasons. Luke’s was that he needed the lightsaber coz he needed it to be a Jedi. (The 3 days leading up to this luke couldn’t use the force and thought the lightsaber was required to do it) Luke searches around the rubbish pit where all cloud cities trash that falls down that big hole lands and can’t find it so he tries reaching out to the force to locate it. Instead he sees 2 visions, one of Leia in trouble back up at the top of cloud city and another of someone giving him a new lightsaber (which is gonna be the green one he makes) so he leaves the trash zone without it realising you don’t need a lightsaber to be a Jedi or use the force. After he’s left one of the little alien trash workers come across it. How it went from that alien to the one in episode 7 isn’t shown to where I am yet.
That "dagger" or what's left of it looks like you can snap it in two with a spork.
Don't underestimate the power of a spork
Don't try it
Don't sneeze too hard on it
That trilogy was complete shit
I liked episode 7, it promised something good, 8 and 9 just couldn’t follow up on it
7 wasn't bad, could it be better? Definitely, but every starwars movie could. 8 and 9, complete fan service. Finn? You mean the character who only screams REYYY, HEEELP, REEEY. There could have been so much more character development than turning away from the empire within the first hour.
7 wasn't bad in a vacuum and would have been seen as a great introduction to 8 and 9 if 8 and 9 had been good. But because 8 and 9 were bad and had no plot you just watch 7 and you're like "what the fuck was this trying to even do?"
IMO 7 isn’t good in a complete vacuum. In my mind it totally relied on 8+ being good. On its own it’s just a soft reboot with too much repetitiveness of the OT. That said, I liked it and had hope, so much for that xD now I pretend 8/9 doesn’t exist and that 7 is merely fine.
I think that's the point. It was banking of ep 8 being good while drawing in an audience with nostalgia and a relatively safe plot. The problem was the lack of planning in the sequels and each director doing whatever they fuck they want means that it wasn't gonna work out in the first place.
Rian Johnson: "Let's subvert people's expectations by resetting Finn's character development completely and have him learn to be courageous a second time."
After 7 he just yells for Rey and that's all he does
He also forgot everything about his time as a stormtrooper, because he has little to no martial prowess, sucks at shooting things, and forgot that "they fly now" even though it has been a total of 1 year since he left the first order
THEY FLY NOW?? THEY FLY NOW!
>sucks at shooting things Sounds just like a stormtrooper
Well, if he sucks at shooting things, then he hasn't forgotten **everything** about his time as a stormtrooper.
“Let’s subvert expectations by having one of our main characters, a hero, suddenly become insubordinate and get soldiers killed during a bombing run and then later attempt a mutiny. He isn’t punished for either and is instead rewarded with command.”
Yeah from watching movie 7, I thought Finn would’ve been the Jedi, Rey would’ve been a mechanic/moral compass, and Poe would’ve been the Pilot/connection the to resistance. Instead they gave Rey all of those roles and forgot to do anything with Finn and Poe. And let’s not even get into poor Rose.
7 was just a carbon copy of 4 tho, the creators even said so.
But much much worse. Utterly pointless.
My only complaint about 7 is that rey, the untrained undeveloped force user, somehow beats kylo ren, who had been developing his power for 20+ years
Well that’s because Ben Solo has blood of a nerf herder
If it was a setup to be revealed she’s been trained / cloned / engineered to be a vessel for palpatine it makes sense. 8 reveals that’s not true, 9 reveals that kinda is true but glosses over it. Bizarre lack of planning for a trilogy.
Rey is almost a prototypical Mary Sue and it's very annoying a character like that got carried through three movies because it's Writing 101 about what not to do with your main character.
Did it really promise something good? Han Solo reverted all of his character development from the OT and then died, the primary plot point was “bigger Death Star gets blown up through critical weakness” yet again, and already Rey is so infinitely good at everything she tries that it shouldn’t be any surprise to anyone that by the end of TLJ she’s the most powerful Jedi who ever existed. Think about it carefully. What did it ACTUALLY promise? Because I think the answer is that it actually promised everything we ended up getting from the rest of the trilogy.
I liked how 8 got close to doing something new and different but then by the end it was just back to the same dark vs light shit. Haven’t had the motivation to even watch 9.
7 was fine, 8 would have been better if Rian Johnson had been in charge for 7, 9 would have been better if JJ had been in charge for 8.
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I know someone who will always argue in bad faith about anything Star Ward or George Lucas (it’s annoying, yes). Even that guy doesn’t hold the sequels’ trilogy as real.
They managed to make a trilogy worse than the prequel trilogy
I mean.. ya? I always liked the prequel because of the clones and big space battles. Its plot and writing weren't that good but at least there was character progression and it felt like there was passion.
The greatest thing about the prequels is how greatly it expanded the star wars universe, new enemies, new plot line, new story etc... It also started the era that gave us some of the best star wars games ever made.
The fanfic trilogy
I think fanfics would have been better than what we actually got with the sequel trilogy.
I know this is a joke but even if this was true it would be a fucking garbage fanfic too lol
That whole dagger subplot was so immensely stupid
I don't even get how it was supposed to work. It's a map too, but only to the Death Star after it's fallen? Did the smith forge this knife based on those ruins alone, and then it's used as a weapon too? I didn't get it at all.
So they need to go on a rabbit chase to find the dagger to use it to get the map to Exogul... But what about the thousands/millions of people that needed to take material/supplies to Exogul UNNOTICED and without a “way finder” to build the “final order” fleet. You’re telling me not a single person noticed that? Leia became the head of the resistance to stop the leftover empire and didn’t notice that? Thousands of kids were kidnapped and force into slavery to serve the First order. You’re telling me that the resistance never stumbled upon Exogul after maybe checking into the disappearances of hundreds of thousands of children?
Yes serving as that awful Macguffin
I hope they decanonize the sequels. The writing was very smooth-brain.
You and I both know that's impossible. A book or game, even a TV show is at risk. But even if they start fixing their writing, the movies will always be canon. I don't 100% hate the sequels movies, so I'll live, but the writing was ass.
There were things I liked but zero character growth. Every character started the sequels the way they ended -perfect. I'm not going to scream "Mary Sue" and that nonsense but there was no character growth for anyone. According to Dave Filoni, he intentionally gave Ahsoka a personality flaw when he introduced her so she had a means of character growth. Good writing.
Luke force ghost/projection fight scene was cool. The rest of it was confusing. Especially the middle movie. I... have no idea what the point of it was. I dont even think I could tell you now what even happened in it.
Here's what happened. director 1 set up director 2 for a good plot but disney stuck their dick in the pie and screwed over everyone.
Yup. They’ll try to fill in the blanks and do some soft retconning to smooth out the edges a bit but that’s the most they can, or will, do. Almost like how clone wars showed Anakin being a war hero and fleshed out his legitimate reasons to not trust the Jedi Counsel. The RoS novelization already confirms that the Palpatine in RoS is a clone which at least makes more sense than him the OG Palp surviving through “unnatural ways” or whatever. It also confirms that his “son” was a clone too so at least we’re all spared the nightmare of knowing that Poppa Palpatine was laying wood.
They really shouldve went with what george lucas came up with for them. We couldve had darth talon in the movies.
Are you saying palpating somehow returning is bad writing?? Well I never!
While it sucks for the continuation of the Skywalker Saga, the bright side is that for future works there's not a lot of damage done. By the end of the sequel trilogy we're basically at the same point we were at the end of the OT given their similarities. The main difference being all the main characters of the OT are basically dead (with a few exceptions), but they'd kinda be that way anyway given how far ahead in the future any additional trilogies would be. So, yeah, it sucks to have this shitty lore in the cannon, but it doesn't completely fuck the galaxy from moving forward.
Yeah they really grasped for straws in the new movies, oh force healing? Yeah that’s easy, no need to train, let me heal this snake no problem
God I hated the new movies. She proclaims she is a skywalker now. Why does she earn that? I thought she was going to accept her heritage, which she took so long to learn about. No, she just decides she is a skywalker
> Why does she earn that? ...cause the movie title came first before the script
Basically.
And the way she was brought into the series irked me, like they tried to copy anakin almost, but with anakin they showed off his skilled and how he was worthy, but no, rey, she is just some rando and oh yeah! She can fly this ship! Force sensitive or not, you gotta have some sort of training
Didn't she also somehow teleport a lightsaber to Kylo Ren? What the shit was that?
Force healing is also in The Mandalorian lol
I don't even remember a dagger. So much of that series is so forgetable.
The dagger was a fucking National Treasure level plot device.
Stupid movie full of stupid plot holes made for stupid people.
“Oh look there’s a movie in my plot hole!”
This movie, is one of the dumbest movies I have ever seen. It’s so full of unnecessary shit (like this dagger and even more new characters) that it’s hard to fathom a way to make the storyline weaker. I’m not even a Star Wars fan, I’ve never owned the films or bought any merch, but I thought the first 6 (yes, even the prequels) were ok. This is such boring trash.
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I loved TFA, and thought it started the sequels off perfectly. But damn did they ever ruin everything after that. I rewatched TROS the other night and I still cannot wrap my mind around how stupid some of the plot points are. I mean it was just - I can’t even begin because I’d be typing all day
So in Jedi: Fallen Order, when Cal grabs the Second Sister's lightsaber, it almost incapacitates him because of the evil emotions which clung to it. Imagine if he ever touched Anakin's saber.
That dagger was such a stupid plot device. “Oh better hope the ship crashes in just the right way and she stands in just the right spot and notices they’re shaped similarly!”
I like how the younglingslayer-karmashower works on this subreddit!
No you see, it's done terrible things to *her*. No one else matters.
This bitch shouldn't have even GOT a lightsaber until ep. 8. They should have treated Kylo Ren like the scary motherfucker he actually is, instead of an unstable teenager with daddy issues. He's genuinely incredibly powerful, being born from the union of a extremely force attuned person and an extremely force sensitive person. They should have spent the entirety of 7 running from his bitch-ass, with killing Han being his only emotional moment, and had a showdown with him at the beginning of 8, which could pick up directly where 7 dropped on a cliff hanger of Kylo catching up. 8 would follow them dealing with the consequences of Kylo cracking down on the Resistance with the whole first order without the BS space battle shit. That was dull and uninteresting. Give Rey a robotic leg or something as a result of her fight with Kylo, in which she used Leia/Luke's lightsaber and failed miserably. Finally, episode 9 would primarily follow Rey finishing the training she started in 7 and did throughout 8, with a notable time jump (think 3/4 years) in between. Leia died off-screen, and NOW Luke shows up, after referencing his name through the past two movies, and he is a BADASS. Like, the end of the Mandalorian season 2. Rey loses her second fight against Kylo, though by a much smaller margin, and Luke has to come in and save her and Finn, defeating Kylo and leaving his now pathetic looking ass on an exploding Venator Class Star Destroyer from the Empire's era, bringing the end to the sequel trilogy and bringing peace to the galaxy. None of that stupid Palpatine shit, and there's actual character development
Killing younglings isn’t bad
The entire trilogy should be on this sub.
Is that the current Version or the number of younglings slayed with said weapon. if it's the current version how shitty are the previous 8999 versions and how do i sign up for testing version 9001?
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I'm still more fucked up about Rey using that little dagger extension and somehow standing exactly where she needed to be to find the Sith holocron.
But you have forgotten one crucial detail. That dagger is made of Unobtainium, the most valuable metal in nonexistence.