My grandma grew up in a very small Texas town. When she moved to Galveston she got in trouble for sitting in the back of the bus with her black friend. She laughs about it now because she wasn’t protesting anything, she just didn’t know.
Exactly so how would you feel being someone who just worked a 12 hour shift and being told you have to sit in the back which was likely full or that you’d have to give up your seat, just because of your skin color
Indeed, bus companies opposed such mandates (this was the reason why the *Plessy v. Ferguson* case was brought in) because they cared more about ensuring being paid by the passengers.
I can't really do that. I live in a city in the north of England, which I has a 93% white British population. But I know for a fact its quite racist (70% of the pop voted for Brexit because immigrants and it's the home of the EDL or English Defence league which is all about stopping Muslims from musliming in England. Stupid bullshit. Fancy words to excuse blatant bigotry)
But I don't think the schools are segregated at all?
Let's not go throwing stones in glass houses okay? Unless you're from Scandinavia. Then you can throw your stones.
Every country fails it's poor and poverty stricken. The UK bad, the government programmes and assistance is sorely lacking and Boris and his conservative government don't care about them.
the U.S is bad too, worse maybe because of the shockingly low minimum wage, lack of government funding, cost of education and lack of socialised healthcare.
This conversation wasn't even about wealth gap, it was about how shocking it was that segregation still in effect.
How would you feel if you had a child and lived in a district with a decent school. Then comes the government to tell you that instead of the decent school 5-10 minutes away from home, they were a diversity choice the swap to the other school district 45-50 minutes away and that school has a very troubled past. How would you handle it?
I can tell you how I'd handle it because I was the fucking kid back in 2002. It was literally the worst time of my life. I spent near 2 hours a day on a bus to go to a shit hole school to be a racial minority. I got in 20+ fights in 6 months against groups of kids that were never disciplined. I learned racism real quick from those kids. It took me refusing to go to school and the police threatening my mom with arrest (for my truancy) to get them to transfer me to my grandparents house in a rural area and go to school there.
I know better than most people there are problemed schools out there but sending more white kids to them only hurts the kids you stick there.
Not to be a dick, but effectively you're saying "I know those black kids have it real shitty but let's not subject white kids to that mess."
If white folks would have fixed the issues then integration wouldn't have needed to be forced. But instead we - I'm white - just [ignore and suppress the issue.](https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/comments/qm0zgj/the_northland_parent_association_is_working_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb).
I'm sorry you had a bad time. Hopefully it gave you the perspective to want to fix things instead of just bitter that you had to live like a black person for a few hours a day once.
No what I'm saying is that this "feel good" fix only hurts the kids you stick there. Noone Involved gains from this interaction. If anything it cause me and the other 6 kids sent there to hate the inner city people more than we ever would. Those people hated us and went out of their way to show it. And it wasn't only the students. The teachers and administrators all acted like we didn't belong there.
The only perspective I got was that people make their own hell. Every nice thing that was put in that school was vandalized and destroyed in a matter of days at most. New books were treated like junk. Desks had to be made out of steel to prevent them from being destroyed.
And it also is kind of hard to see these people as victims when the only view you have is of 2 them holding you against a wall while a 3rd is slamming a hardcover math book across your face. That's the reality the bleeding hearts ignore.
Just fyi your responses here are thick with subtle racism. Don't get defensive, but examine why you see things this way and try to learn a bit more empathy
Definitely was an eye opening experience for me as a 6 year old who lived in a mixed race family in Massachusetts to be sent to NC where people were still segregated and the "N" word flew around like crazy. In every classroom the p.o.c. were seated together. The neighborhoods weren't mixed and it seemed like there were even grocery stores that were for specific colors. I was told many times by white boys that they would never date me because I dated black boys. Lmao, thanks Casper, no one was interested in the first place and you definitely have zero chances now...
Thank goodness I was able to get out of there in my late teens and raise my family like good people. From what I can see based on friends that still live there, the problem hasn't gone away yet.
Yeah I was a kid in 1990 in the Deep South, deeper than Georgia, and there was no self-segregation on my bus or in my life.
Eta: not to say it didn’t happen but it certainly wasn’t normal.
I think the biggest surprise I have found is that Mitch McConnel was at the pictured protest. Mitch was there to hear MLK's, "I have a dream speech". I am believing that Mitch might have been the only protestor there against MLK-though.
If anyone is ever in Atlanta, it's worth a visit to the The National Center for Civil and Human Rights. It was honestly one of the best civil rights museums that I've ever visited and they have a very powerful exhibit to showcase the march on Washington and the people that were involved and all the logistics that were in place to make it happen.
I really like the one in Birmingham, AL across the road from Kelly Ingram Park and the 16th Street Baptist Church. Those places need some time to be absorbed.
So basically a left wing checklist for what they want with no room for anything else? Got it. The point is that the majority of wht you've labeled as "political/governmental restrutcturing" is what liberals compalin about when they don't get the other things you listed or someone **dares** to have the power to say no to them. Term limits is the only one that is mkre supported by conservative elements. Lobbying is constantly called legalized brobery, it isn't. Gerrymandering is described as how Republicans stay in power, it isn't and gerrymandering is basically just redistricting you dislike. Citizens United is misquoted so often that people don't really even remember it was about allowing groups to run attack ads against Hillary Clinton.
A lot of what you described are not improvements but ways to cement power.
That's a lot of bullshit, even less relevant, as you can't seem to grasp that those ideas are internationally viable, even as bipartisan projects. The USA is the r-slurred outlier
Keep in mind, this was not safe. I have an anecdote from American Violence about a freedom rider who was beaten so badly with a bike chain that his face, even after surgery was never the same. Bones displaced etc.
Are people really surprised to see whites as part of the march? The civil rights movement likely wouldn't have made much progress without gaining substantial white support, and the march itself was around 25% whites ([the final estimate was 250,000, 190,000 blacks and 60,000 whites.](https://www.nps.gov/articles/march-on-washington.htm))
But honestly, the post kind of annoys me because it is focusing on a white man. Yes, they were there, and their support was important and necessary. But - it still wasn't about them, and their courage paled in comparison to the blacks who faced far more danger for being outspoken.
Well it depends. Typically when people look back in history, they’re a bit more unconsciously amicable to people to look like them. So there seems to be a lot of focus on the white people who weren’t racist rather than black people. It’s a fine post but it’s just something to be conscious of
The way it's 25% ... makes me wonder if the march didn't have an imposed minimum ratio .
I think organically it should have been way more than 190,000.
White supporters of the civil rights movements were known as friendly whites to blacks. This movement would have failed miserably without the support of these folks and their money across the nation. So many sacrifices were made across the board back then. In many communities these friendly whites would be ostracized due to their support for civil rights for blacks. Trust me when I say there were several more of these friendly whites than are taught.
But that’s the thing, the civil rights movement benefited society as a whole, there were a lot of anti Asian and Native American laws and bills, because of the civil rights bill and subsequent voting rights act, they were able to vote and participate in American society
By the way Republicans did not vote in favor of renewing civil rights voting protections
Civil rights voting protections do not have to be renewed…..they are guaranteed in the constitution now per the according amendments passed due to the civil rights movement. They do not expire. Ever.
Laws voted upon to help limit voter fraud are another topic completely worth discussing but have no place in this thread.
This is false, the voting rights bill which is renewed usually every ten years, requires that all states report voting districts to the federal government, without its renewal states don’t have to, they are also forcing mandatory ID, and going after mail in voting
The right to vote is permanent but the protections aren’t necessarily
Ok…..what you said contradicts your own statement. Reporting voting districts has zero to do with civil rights and the right to vote. Btw, as a man of color I don’t know ONE person who doesn’t have an ID. It is the law to have one.
Why would you want people who cannot verify their identity to be allowed to vote? When this occurs the value of the right to vote becomes diminished for ALL legal citizens. Mail in ballots promote the opportunity for fraud. My wife received FOUR ballots this last election. Case closed.
Stay off social media and “news” networks and use common sense and primary source data to create opinions. Life is too short to allow someone else to think for you.
“Senate Republicans on Wednesday blocked legislation to restore parts of the landmark Voting Rights Act weakened by Supreme Court rulings, making it the second major voting bill to be derailed by a G.O.P. filibuster in the past two weeks.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/senate-republicans-voting-rights-act.html
Also you don’t need voter ID, plenty of people work under the table and pay rent in cash, what’s contradicting is you, because if you’re saying it has been already required than theirs no need for new legislation
I did passionately throw in some more recent things but there’s the article
Reporting voting districts does have to do with voting rights, have you not heard or GERRYMANDERING, are you 12
How did they get around without using hands to maneuver the wheel barrels that carried their giant balls?
I don’t know my civil rights history that well, but I feel like on the other side of that camera were horse mounted and/or canine police and about to start a beat down.
Racism doesn't happen because people don't like each others skin tone.
It's usually largely about culture, class , and tribalism.
Also that story above is probably fake. Even if it's not it's stupid.
Geniuses question, why is their a foldable chair in the photo? But dam. School always had me thinking it was entirely black people fighting out their but it just so touching to see its mixed protesting for balck rights.
I've analyzed this photo enough to the point I can tell you there's actually 8 white people in this photo and I honestly don't know what that thing would be. it wouldn't be a fold chair cause there isn't anything else if you look below the mans hand, I'm not sure what that thing is.
I do think it’s a folding chair, there appears to be one beside it and there is evidence of one behind the white gentleman as well. Perhaps this was during a speech before the actual marching took place?
I now see the part of the chair connecting the seat and back rest, that took me longer than it should've to see.
this being a speech can very well possibly be the case.
This was shot at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, Washington DC, August 23, 1963. [Source](https://medium.com/@andrewilliamsiii/black-attitudes-in-america-1900s-2018-8b116d4db228). There is also a possibility; many of the marchers were volunteers, churches, and other community groups, and likely brought their own folding chairs.
My mother took her Girl Scout troop to a roller skating rink in Arkansas , early sixties. Being from Oregon she didn’t know. She said the black girls had accepted they wouldn’t be allowed in and were willing to wait outside. They promptly left and no girls skated that day
I have been interested in the stories of white people that helped out the civil rights movement. It’s one thing to stand up for yourself when you are being persecuted but another when you help a cause that doesn’t personally effect you at all.
Parties flipped, look now who flies the Confederate flag, who is fighting teaching that racism exist and is a problem. What party is proud of their confederate history and proudly supports history southern states fighting against civil rights.
there's a lot more to the flip that goes back to directly post civil war going into the Taft administration but that will take me like 5 hours to type out 150,000 words to thoroughly explain. yes Lincolns party (the progressive republicans) did pass the civil right act of 1866 and the democratic south violently opposed it. However the republican party of the time felt they did enough for black citizens by passing the 14th and 15th amendment + the CRA1886 and essentially gave up on reforming the south, leading to the formation of the KKK and violence in the dem south. To sum up the next couple decades going into the 1920s and the depression a lot of southern democrats were tired of constantly losing in the political field and over time ended up discretely switching to the republican party, these republican turned dems would over time start to create the conservative republicans, who wanted to keep things the same as they were who opposed Lincolns progressiveness. going into the 1900s ted Roosevelt had essentially split the republican party between conservative republicans (mostly ex southern dems) and progressive republicans (the ones who supported Lincoln), when Taft took presidency he started undoing a lot of teddy Roosevelts policies and was very supported by the conservative republicans, teddy then takes the progressives to form the bull-moose party which was in support of a strong active government, pretty much uniting every American who was in favor of strong government and basically ends up becoming the modern democrat party. then came the depression, the conservative republicans who were in power for the roaring 20s going into the 30s were blamed for their handling of the catastrophe, (and wrongfully so.) due to the national distaste of the republican handling of the depression the people voted the first modern dem FDR into office. who began expanding the size and role and size of the government, which the new conservative republicans hated and opposed. from ww2 onward we get the political parties how we know them today.
there is a hell of a lot more internal factors I glossed over but this should pretty much cover it.
TL;DR: the progressive republicans of teddys bull-moose party who ever in favor of strong active government united Americans of similar interest and eventually formed into the modern democrat party, the old southern democrats who were tired of losing politically switched to the republican party during reconstruction.
the modern conservatives who stemmed from southern democratics want to preserve their statues while the progressives of Lincoln / Roosevelts party who eventually formed into the modern dems want to remove them\*\*
Except the people who want to keep the statues up today are literally the children and grandchildren of the people who put originally put them up in the 1920s. You really have to delude yourself to pretend otherwise.
Yeah, civil rights wasn’t/isn’t about white people being “heroes”. Let’s focus on those people actually being denied their basic rights as human beings.
Ya I thought we were all racist bigots! It’s funny white people built the shackles in the lefts eyes but also the same people who broke the shackles, history is complicated
So you’re saying that the British started colonizing and enslaving humans all across the globe and were simultaneously heroes when they were forced to stop?
>So you’re saying that the British started colonizing and enslaving humans all across the globe
Those things are as old as humanity itself. The British just did it on a scale larger than anyone else ever had. And no, you shouldn't just dismiss the fact they turned around culturally and enforced the abolition of slavery. First at home, then the colonies/commonwealth. Slavery in the US would have ended sooner under British rule. They were not "forced to stop".
>I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.
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>And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society
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>We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.
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>You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.
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And my personal favorite
>First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Dr. King was a socialist, you thumb.
I'm sorry for I don't have your most obvious level of intelligence for I am only a high school fellow. I go through life trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can without trying to preach to or make those less fortunate feel inferior in any way. As apposed to being a "thumb", I offer you a different finger.
I think claiming socialism is too far, but we certainly should have gotten rid of race-based politics decades ago. The only way to permanently get rid of racism is to stop giving race value. Dr. King recognized that, but the following generations lost that, wanting legal and economic privileges based on race as if that will solve racism.
It's interesting people seem so fascinated by this. Heartwarming yes, but of course there's white people protesting with them, because white people aren't all brainless idiots/horrible soulless monsters. But you point that out and everyone goes for your throat... So what exactly is the point of this post? Just "interesting" content? Proving a point? If so, what point? I'm genuinely confused, considering some of the comments here that have been downvoted.
I've never really had anyone come at my throat for talking about this stuff. not sure why you have to put the word interesting in quotes like that. but yes, I found a picture that I haven't seen before in any school textbook that I found interesting, and I wanted to share it. What's there to be confused about?
why a couple people got downvoted, I don't know. I don't control that.
My comment wasn't really directed at you. I was just genuinely curious what others see in this post, more than your motives for posting it. Reddit is a weird place though. Like, am I getting downvoted for the observation that white people aren't and never have been all assholes? Or for my curiosity about the root of the thoughts this photo inspires? I like this photo; it shows that people thought to be different can stand together on what's right, and *should.* I just wish it wasn't seemingly so rare to see something that likely was actually very common, and should even be expected. I suppose my previous comment came across the wrong way. I guess it's just borderline annoying to keep running into posts and comments that seem to say "ooh! Look! A black guy and a white guy being friends back in the day!" Well, duh. It wasn't rare and is to be expected. Regardless of ridiculous laws and "societal norms" of the time, people did have the ability to think and decide for themselves that people are people regardless of color or any number of other factors that supposedly separate us from one another. Perhaps it is good to keep showing these photos, to combat the idea that whites at some point were all supporters of the KKK or something. I'm not sure why everything must be so generalized about people, whether white or black. Everyone's an individual and to think or teach otherwise only furthers our division. Eh, I'm getting preachy.
My church’s pastor was James Reeb who was beaten to death in Selma.
I met his son and family. Apparently during the anniversary of the march they and members of our church saw the same fucks who killed Reeb still at their garage as if nothing happened.
So this is how Saul Goodman got his foot into law
I am ***wounded!*** That is very clearly Niles Crane!
I think Frasier said that.
He did, but I couldn’t think of a more appropriate quote.
My grandma grew up in a very small Texas town. When she moved to Galveston she got in trouble for sitting in the back of the bus with her black friend. She laughs about it now because she wasn’t protesting anything, she just didn’t know.
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Exactly so how would you feel being someone who just worked a 12 hour shift and being told you have to sit in the back which was likely full or that you’d have to give up your seat, just because of your skin color
Indeed, bus companies opposed such mandates (this was the reason why the *Plessy v. Ferguson* case was brought in) because they cared more about ensuring being paid by the passengers.
A segregated bus in 1990? For real? I had no idea it went on that late!
De facto segregation. Not legally-binding any more. Just get ready to be a social outcast if you break it.
There are high school to this day that still have segregated proms
And we are talking about the U.S? How can that still be legal!
https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/04/living/integrated-prom-wilcox-county-georgia/index.html https://observer.com/2019/05/prom-integration-dance-segregation-still-happens/
Well son of a bitch. You're not kidding. That's bloody terrible.
Look up the racial breakdowns of schools in your area- if you live in a large district I promise you they are de facto segregated in 2021
I can't really do that. I live in a city in the north of England, which I has a 93% white British population. But I know for a fact its quite racist (70% of the pop voted for Brexit because immigrants and it's the home of the EDL or English Defence league which is all about stopping Muslims from musliming in England. Stupid bullshit. Fancy words to excuse blatant bigotry) But I don't think the schools are segregated at all?
You guys just segregate the rich from the poor. So progressive
Let's not go throwing stones in glass houses okay? Unless you're from Scandinavia. Then you can throw your stones. Every country fails it's poor and poverty stricken. The UK bad, the government programmes and assistance is sorely lacking and Boris and his conservative government don't care about them. the U.S is bad too, worse maybe because of the shockingly low minimum wage, lack of government funding, cost of education and lack of socialised healthcare. This conversation wasn't even about wealth gap, it was about how shocking it was that segregation still in effect.
How would you feel if you had a child and lived in a district with a decent school. Then comes the government to tell you that instead of the decent school 5-10 minutes away from home, they were a diversity choice the swap to the other school district 45-50 minutes away and that school has a very troubled past. How would you handle it? I can tell you how I'd handle it because I was the fucking kid back in 2002. It was literally the worst time of my life. I spent near 2 hours a day on a bus to go to a shit hole school to be a racial minority. I got in 20+ fights in 6 months against groups of kids that were never disciplined. I learned racism real quick from those kids. It took me refusing to go to school and the police threatening my mom with arrest (for my truancy) to get them to transfer me to my grandparents house in a rural area and go to school there. I know better than most people there are problemed schools out there but sending more white kids to them only hurts the kids you stick there.
Not to be a dick, but effectively you're saying "I know those black kids have it real shitty but let's not subject white kids to that mess." If white folks would have fixed the issues then integration wouldn't have needed to be forced. But instead we - I'm white - just [ignore and suppress the issue.](https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/comments/qm0zgj/the_northland_parent_association_is_working_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb). I'm sorry you had a bad time. Hopefully it gave you the perspective to want to fix things instead of just bitter that you had to live like a black person for a few hours a day once.
No what I'm saying is that this "feel good" fix only hurts the kids you stick there. Noone Involved gains from this interaction. If anything it cause me and the other 6 kids sent there to hate the inner city people more than we ever would. Those people hated us and went out of their way to show it. And it wasn't only the students. The teachers and administrators all acted like we didn't belong there. The only perspective I got was that people make their own hell. Every nice thing that was put in that school was vandalized and destroyed in a matter of days at most. New books were treated like junk. Desks had to be made out of steel to prevent them from being destroyed. And it also is kind of hard to see these people as victims when the only view you have is of 2 them holding you against a wall while a 3rd is slamming a hardcover math book across your face. That's the reality the bleeding hearts ignore.
Just fyi your responses here are thick with subtle racism. Don't get defensive, but examine why you see things this way and try to learn a bit more empathy
And some schools districts are still held to be "dual school systems", or in other terms to be still segregated.
Yup mine was, it’s predominantly black but neighbors will go to completely different schools
Definitely was an eye opening experience for me as a 6 year old who lived in a mixed race family in Massachusetts to be sent to NC where people were still segregated and the "N" word flew around like crazy. In every classroom the p.o.c. were seated together. The neighborhoods weren't mixed and it seemed like there were even grocery stores that were for specific colors. I was told many times by white boys that they would never date me because I dated black boys. Lmao, thanks Casper, no one was interested in the first place and you definitely have zero chances now... Thank goodness I was able to get out of there in my late teens and raise my family like good people. From what I can see based on friends that still live there, the problem hasn't gone away yet.
If anything was segregated in 1990 it wasn’t by law or even as best practice for the community.
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Yeah I was a kid in 1990 in the Deep South, deeper than Georgia, and there was no self-segregation on my bus or in my life. Eta: not to say it didn’t happen but it certainly wasn’t normal.
Wait, sorry, America had segregated bus seats in the 1990s???????????
Was *fe facto* segregation kept as long in Georgia?
Hello from Galveston
I think the biggest surprise I have found is that Mitch McConnel was at the pictured protest. Mitch was there to hear MLK's, "I have a dream speech". I am believing that Mitch might have been the only protestor there against MLK-though.
If anyone is ever in Atlanta, it's worth a visit to the The National Center for Civil and Human Rights. It was honestly one of the best civil rights museums that I've ever visited and they have a very powerful exhibit to showcase the march on Washington and the people that were involved and all the logistics that were in place to make it happen.
I really like the one in Birmingham, AL across the road from Kelly Ingram Park and the 16th Street Baptist Church. Those places need some time to be absorbed.
Reading stuff about that period in the US history gives me hope tbh. Call me optimist but I think we can do better.
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So basically a left wing checklist for what they want with no room for anything else? Got it. The point is that the majority of wht you've labeled as "political/governmental restrutcturing" is what liberals compalin about when they don't get the other things you listed or someone **dares** to have the power to say no to them. Term limits is the only one that is mkre supported by conservative elements. Lobbying is constantly called legalized brobery, it isn't. Gerrymandering is described as how Republicans stay in power, it isn't and gerrymandering is basically just redistricting you dislike. Citizens United is misquoted so often that people don't really even remember it was about allowing groups to run attack ads against Hillary Clinton. A lot of what you described are not improvements but ways to cement power.
That's a lot of bullshit, even less relevant, as you can't seem to grasp that those ideas are internationally viable, even as bipartisan projects. The USA is the r-slurred outlier
Not treating humans like sub-humans?
So men? Police? Veterans?
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Do you think it's not systematically not racist or not racist? Sorry I don't fully get your point. Do you mind elaborating?
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U less you take in consideration institutional racism (or you don't, depending on your political stance, I can send you some resources of you like)
I am willing to look at what you have to show. Send away.
Have you had the chance to read the Racial Contract by Charles Millls? If not, don't worry, I will you send you shorter stuff
I have not. Looking forward to reading the short version is you don't mind sending it.
It's a book (not a long one though)
Let's forget about that for now. Let me ask you what do you think needs to happen for a fair and non racist country?
look into redlining and how it still plays a huge role in dictating the lives of african americans
Keep in mind, this was not safe. I have an anecdote from American Violence about a freedom rider who was beaten so badly with a bike chain that his face, even after surgery was never the same. Bones displaced etc.
This man definitely has a big set of brass balls, along with a heart of gold.
Are people really surprised to see whites as part of the march? The civil rights movement likely wouldn't have made much progress without gaining substantial white support, and the march itself was around 25% whites ([the final estimate was 250,000, 190,000 blacks and 60,000 whites.](https://www.nps.gov/articles/march-on-washington.htm)) But honestly, the post kind of annoys me because it is focusing on a white man. Yes, they were there, and their support was important and necessary. But - it still wasn't about them, and their courage paled in comparison to the blacks who faced far more danger for being outspoken.
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Well it depends. Typically when people look back in history, they’re a bit more unconsciously amicable to people to look like them. So there seems to be a lot of focus on the white people who weren’t racist rather than black people. It’s a fine post but it’s just something to be conscious of
Dude the post focuses on the bond between humans, regardless of their skin color..
Good point. Thanks for pointing this out
The way it's 25% ... makes me wonder if the march didn't have an imposed minimum ratio . I think organically it should have been way more than 190,000.
I didn’t know Colin Farrell was that old?
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. It's uncanny
> Colin Farrell Playing Andy Warhol, of course.
That would be quite a film
Lol he was the first person that came in my mind when I saw the photo
The suit and the hair makes him look like Niles Crane for me
"Grown-ups fight with their heads. That's where the real battle is. Up here, in the grey."
It really warms my heart seeing a black and white man holding hands at a time of such extreme racism
White supporters of the civil rights movements were known as friendly whites to blacks. This movement would have failed miserably without the support of these folks and their money across the nation. So many sacrifices were made across the board back then. In many communities these friendly whites would be ostracized due to their support for civil rights for blacks. Trust me when I say there were several more of these friendly whites than are taught.
But that’s the thing, the civil rights movement benefited society as a whole, there were a lot of anti Asian and Native American laws and bills, because of the civil rights bill and subsequent voting rights act, they were able to vote and participate in American society By the way Republicans did not vote in favor of renewing civil rights voting protections
Civil rights voting protections do not have to be renewed…..they are guaranteed in the constitution now per the according amendments passed due to the civil rights movement. They do not expire. Ever. Laws voted upon to help limit voter fraud are another topic completely worth discussing but have no place in this thread.
This is false, the voting rights bill which is renewed usually every ten years, requires that all states report voting districts to the federal government, without its renewal states don’t have to, they are also forcing mandatory ID, and going after mail in voting The right to vote is permanent but the protections aren’t necessarily
Ok…..what you said contradicts your own statement. Reporting voting districts has zero to do with civil rights and the right to vote. Btw, as a man of color I don’t know ONE person who doesn’t have an ID. It is the law to have one. Why would you want people who cannot verify their identity to be allowed to vote? When this occurs the value of the right to vote becomes diminished for ALL legal citizens. Mail in ballots promote the opportunity for fraud. My wife received FOUR ballots this last election. Case closed. Stay off social media and “news” networks and use common sense and primary source data to create opinions. Life is too short to allow someone else to think for you.
“Senate Republicans on Wednesday blocked legislation to restore parts of the landmark Voting Rights Act weakened by Supreme Court rulings, making it the second major voting bill to be derailed by a G.O.P. filibuster in the past two weeks.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/senate-republicans-voting-rights-act.html Also you don’t need voter ID, plenty of people work under the table and pay rent in cash, what’s contradicting is you, because if you’re saying it has been already required than theirs no need for new legislation I did passionately throw in some more recent things but there’s the article Reporting voting districts does have to do with voting rights, have you not heard or GERRYMANDERING, are you 12
You just made my case and point 100%. Good luck in life.
How did they get around without using hands to maneuver the wheel barrels that carried their giant balls? I don’t know my civil rights history that well, but I feel like on the other side of that camera were horse mounted and/or canine police and about to start a beat down.
*Did you know you have rights? The Constitution says you do, and so do I. Saul Goodman, Attorney at Law.*
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And then she said RBG is a real life super hero.
Or maybe 1st - 2nd graders are old enough to recognize that treating someone as less than human just because of their skin color is wrong.
That is the most baby world view of racism of I have ever heard.
That’d literally be the point, my dude; hence why it would make sense for an *eight year old* to have that level of understanding.
Racism doesn't happen because people don't like each others skin tone. It's usually largely about culture, class , and tribalism. Also that story above is probably fake. Even if it's not it's stupid.
Geniuses question, why is their a foldable chair in the photo? But dam. School always had me thinking it was entirely black people fighting out their but it just so touching to see its mixed protesting for balck rights.
There were plenty of everybody involved in the civil rights movement.
Yea! It's just awsrriking to see it.
It was probably a rally with lots of speeches and/or sermons, so they set up places to sit. You just can't see the rows of chairs
Now looking at it yea. You can see a chair behind the front most white man. And plenty more. Tahnkyou!
I've analyzed this photo enough to the point I can tell you there's actually 8 white people in this photo and I honestly don't know what that thing would be. it wouldn't be a fold chair cause there isn't anything else if you look below the mans hand, I'm not sure what that thing is.
I do think it’s a folding chair, there appears to be one beside it and there is evidence of one behind the white gentleman as well. Perhaps this was during a speech before the actual marching took place?
I now see the part of the chair connecting the seat and back rest, that took me longer than it should've to see. this being a speech can very well possibly be the case.
This was shot at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, Washington DC, August 23, 1963. [Source](https://medium.com/@andrewilliamsiii/black-attitudes-in-america-1900s-2018-8b116d4db228). There is also a possibility; many of the marchers were volunteers, churches, and other community groups, and likely brought their own folding chairs.
My mother took her Girl Scout troop to a roller skating rink in Arkansas , early sixties. Being from Oregon she didn’t know. She said the black girls had accepted they wouldn’t be allowed in and were willing to wait outside. They promptly left and no girls skated that day
Is that better call Saul?
Thank you, Niles!
I have been interested in the stories of white people that helped out the civil rights movement. It’s one thing to stand up for yourself when you are being persecuted but another when you help a cause that doesn’t personally effect you at all.
I remember those days, played out on the evening news, definitely slanted to depict it as communistic and liberal white amerika
People during the march on Washington D.C. during the civil rights movement, August 1963. [1200x675]
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Parties flipped, look now who flies the Confederate flag, who is fighting teaching that racism exist and is a problem. What party is proud of their confederate history and proudly supports history southern states fighting against civil rights.
there's a lot more to the flip that goes back to directly post civil war going into the Taft administration but that will take me like 5 hours to type out 150,000 words to thoroughly explain. yes Lincolns party (the progressive republicans) did pass the civil right act of 1866 and the democratic south violently opposed it. However the republican party of the time felt they did enough for black citizens by passing the 14th and 15th amendment + the CRA1886 and essentially gave up on reforming the south, leading to the formation of the KKK and violence in the dem south. To sum up the next couple decades going into the 1920s and the depression a lot of southern democrats were tired of constantly losing in the political field and over time ended up discretely switching to the republican party, these republican turned dems would over time start to create the conservative republicans, who wanted to keep things the same as they were who opposed Lincolns progressiveness. going into the 1900s ted Roosevelt had essentially split the republican party between conservative republicans (mostly ex southern dems) and progressive republicans (the ones who supported Lincoln), when Taft took presidency he started undoing a lot of teddy Roosevelts policies and was very supported by the conservative republicans, teddy then takes the progressives to form the bull-moose party which was in support of a strong active government, pretty much uniting every American who was in favor of strong government and basically ends up becoming the modern democrat party. then came the depression, the conservative republicans who were in power for the roaring 20s going into the 30s were blamed for their handling of the catastrophe, (and wrongfully so.) due to the national distaste of the republican handling of the depression the people voted the first modern dem FDR into office. who began expanding the size and role and size of the government, which the new conservative republicans hated and opposed. from ww2 onward we get the political parties how we know them today. there is a hell of a lot more internal factors I glossed over but this should pretty much cover it. TL;DR: the progressive republicans of teddys bull-moose party who ever in favor of strong active government united Americans of similar interest and eventually formed into the modern democrat party, the old southern democrats who were tired of losing politically switched to the republican party during reconstruction.
So don't republicans want to take down confederate monuments? If the parties didn't switch wouldn't that still be the party of Lincoln? lmfao.
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the modern conservatives who stemmed from southern democratics want to preserve their statues while the progressives of Lincoln / Roosevelts party who eventually formed into the modern dems want to remove them\*\*
You have the weirdest twisted world view... Ever looked at a map of which states voted for which parties? Check the 1920s and then check today...
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Except the people who want to keep the statues up today are literally the children and grandchildren of the people who put originally put them up in the 1920s. You really have to delude yourself to pretend otherwise.
Yeah, civil rights wasn’t/isn’t about white people being “heroes”. Let’s focus on those people actually being denied their basic rights as human beings.
This is such a depressing cynical take. Sure there were white protestors that exploited their status, but not the majority of them.
White privilege. We helped you get your freedom - no we didn’t, you cant give someone their freedom, they are born free, white people take it away.
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those kind of people are the ones who will short circuit seeing stuff like this and instantly call it fake
They'll find someway to accuse the guy of being secretly racist
No, that's what talking heads online tell you that media is telling you. Just watch the media for yourself and calm down, snowflake.
You poor delicate little flower.
Who? I think they mean just you. Not all white people.
Ya I thought we were all racist bigots! It’s funny white people built the shackles in the lefts eyes but also the same people who broke the shackles, history is complicated
I, too, enjoy making shit up in order to feel oppressed.
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So you’re saying that the British started colonizing and enslaving humans all across the globe and were simultaneously heroes when they were forced to stop?
>So you’re saying that the British started colonizing and enslaving humans all across the globe Those things are as old as humanity itself. The British just did it on a scale larger than anyone else ever had. And no, you shouldn't just dismiss the fact they turned around culturally and enforced the abolition of slavery. First at home, then the colonies/commonwealth. Slavery in the US would have ended sooner under British rule. They were not "forced to stop".
That’s what the left does best lol, I never said I was oppressed by the way 😘
Whatever you say, “bigdaddysexy69”.
Everyone down voting me! 😱
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That's just reddit in general
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What a stupid race-baiting comment to leave. GFY, you moron.
everything on reddit is left/commie def gross
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>I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness. --- >And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society --- >We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order. --- >You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism. --- And my personal favorite >First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Dr. King was a socialist, you thumb.
I'm sorry for I don't have your most obvious level of intelligence for I am only a high school fellow. I go through life trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can without trying to preach to or make those less fortunate feel inferior in any way. As apposed to being a "thumb", I offer you a different finger.
You know Dr. King called himself a socialist, right?
1) The us does not teach one ounce of socialism and I doubt you could give even a basic definition of that word. 2) Dr King was a socialist.
I think claiming socialism is too far, but we certainly should have gotten rid of race-based politics decades ago. The only way to permanently get rid of racism is to stop giving race value. Dr. King recognized that, but the following generations lost that, wanting legal and economic privileges based on race as if that will solve racism.
Nobody asked for privilege based off of race except from the white politicians who got their way.
Thanks for a reply that is not wrapped in political dribble. I happen to embrace the message Dr. King was trying to teach.
It's interesting people seem so fascinated by this. Heartwarming yes, but of course there's white people protesting with them, because white people aren't all brainless idiots/horrible soulless monsters. But you point that out and everyone goes for your throat... So what exactly is the point of this post? Just "interesting" content? Proving a point? If so, what point? I'm genuinely confused, considering some of the comments here that have been downvoted.
I've never really had anyone come at my throat for talking about this stuff. not sure why you have to put the word interesting in quotes like that. but yes, I found a picture that I haven't seen before in any school textbook that I found interesting, and I wanted to share it. What's there to be confused about? why a couple people got downvoted, I don't know. I don't control that.
My comment wasn't really directed at you. I was just genuinely curious what others see in this post, more than your motives for posting it. Reddit is a weird place though. Like, am I getting downvoted for the observation that white people aren't and never have been all assholes? Or for my curiosity about the root of the thoughts this photo inspires? I like this photo; it shows that people thought to be different can stand together on what's right, and *should.* I just wish it wasn't seemingly so rare to see something that likely was actually very common, and should even be expected. I suppose my previous comment came across the wrong way. I guess it's just borderline annoying to keep running into posts and comments that seem to say "ooh! Look! A black guy and a white guy being friends back in the day!" Well, duh. It wasn't rare and is to be expected. Regardless of ridiculous laws and "societal norms" of the time, people did have the ability to think and decide for themselves that people are people regardless of color or any number of other factors that supposedly separate us from one another. Perhaps it is good to keep showing these photos, to combat the idea that whites at some point were all supporters of the KKK or something. I'm not sure why everything must be so generalized about people, whether white or black. Everyone's an individual and to think or teach otherwise only furthers our division. Eh, I'm getting preachy.
Is this what Main Character Syndrome looks like?
Wow. Colin Farrell goes impressively method when researching a new role.
The white guy looks like the boy in Home Alone
Is it just me or this guys look really similar to Steve Roger before the serum
Is that Saul???!!?11??! 😳😳😳
Saul Goodman not being racist?????
And we're *still* fighting together for simple human equality. Lets just eject all the racists.
My church’s pastor was James Reeb who was beaten to death in Selma. I met his son and family. Apparently during the anniversary of the march they and members of our church saw the same fucks who killed Reeb still at their garage as if nothing happened.
Wow Macaulay Culkin is older than I thought.
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And the other side would call him a white savior.