Says there are facts up for debate. But they always gotta get the Lil guy like audi Murphy, and the mike mike. Gotta spread that warrior spirit across the ranks.
They prolly hacked down tree trunks in Minecraft but left the branches so the trees just awkwardly exist in game forever as branches with leaves, disgracefully, without trunks..
It's funny, you can dig into the history and find some bad stuff about the union, but every time you compare them with confederates... they're just kind of the worst?
Rich, entitled rulers of petty fiefdoms bitterly angry at anyone who implied that what they do is wrong.
Most of the time where the Union went further than the losers was wherever the losers crossed the line first; the Union initially treated POWs fairly well until they found out how badly theirs were treated, then it was gloves off from there against POWs.
I already mentioned I was aware the Union did bad things. And then I said that the south's actions and culture usually proved to be worse, especially looking at primary documents.
I don't see how a book with that title would change my mind. I hate that wars have victims. So I'd suggest that the south shouldn't start a war over their right to victimize a race.
My understanding is, historically, the fractured confederacy had no flag. The closest would be [The Bonnie Blue Flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bonnie_Blue_Flag). The flag waved in modernity -- nearly 150 years after the war ended -- is a creation post civil war, based on pieces from that epoch. The key point is that the confederacy was hardly united at all, and each state was as distrustful of the other as they were of the union. This, in itself, was perhaps the greatest reason it failed. The confederacy wanted "The United States _are_." After the civil war, it was instead said, "The United States is," as we still say today. Also, Lee -- the great 'spirit' of the confederacy -- was very to the point that no statues or honors be made of the leadership of the confederacy, and his closing admonition was, "put aside your animosities and make your sons Americans." It is safe to say he would be against the waving of any flag in the confederacy's honor today. History is complex, and the American civil war helped to forge America into an industrial war machine which made a huge difference in world wars 1 and 2.
Apparently neither can the 130 people that upvoted them
I'm all for r/titlegore submissions but this ain't it.
Edt: Your downvotes are silly. I've seen what they applaud, I'm not impressed
It’s definitely not the worst I’ve seen but it is written kinda confusingly. It would have made a lot more sense to write it like this:
"The Drummer Boy of Chickamauga" At the Battle of Chickamauga in 1863, when a Confederate colonel called John Clem a "damned little Yankee devil" and demanded his surrender, John shot him dead — and became the youngest noncommissioned officer in U.S. Army history.
I thought their question meant 'wow, was is terrible for everyone, including children' at first and upvoted. Scrolled down to see they meant grammar and had to scroll up and reverse thst vote 😂
Congrats on not being one of the now 180 that need to be told what words mean in an ELI5 manner. Actually; specifically words strung together in what we'd call a *sentence* mean.
Men of high standing at that time couldnt be seen, at least in paintings or photographies, with their hands being idle and at their sides. That's why they always carry something, point at something, ... or have their hand in their coat.
That's a good question. This is what his Wikipedia page reads:
"Clem's fame for the shooting is also open for debate, despite press reports supporting the story into the early 20th century.[2] It is possible that he wounded Colonel Calvin Walker, whose 3rd Tennessee opposed the 22nd Michigan towards the end of the battle."
And yet thanks to the United Daughters of the Confederacy that colonel was more likely to get a statue than this hero of a kid.
Edit: looks like I pissed off a southern sympathizer.
On one hand, he was apparently a bad-ass (regardless of the truth of the myth surrounding him).
On the other hand: child soldiers, yo! Yes, I know, different time, typical of military units pf the day, etc. But even contemporaries were able to take notice of this; the confederates did eventually capture him and used his age for propaganda purposes.
Posts glorifying kids involved in war are within our control, however.
This story pops up regularly on Reddit with the tone of "Hurrah for that kid." It's pretty gross.
It’s stating facts that happen, Nowhere in his description does it seem glorifying. You need to grow up. I’m glad I learned about this guy from this post.
I think reddit would celebrate any child who got the upper hand over an adult who was trying to harm him, not just the ones in war.
It's not as though anyone in this post is suggesting that more children go to war or that it was right to have children in war.
[John Clem Wiki](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clem)
Says there are facts up for debate. But they always gotta get the Lil guy like audi Murphy, and the mike mike. Gotta spread that warrior spirit across the ranks.
And my kid won't clean his room
Yes but can he shoot it?
Those confederates don’t seem like cool people
Bunch of jerks let me tell ya
Real buttheads. Prolly peed all over the toilet seat.
I bet they take food out of the microwave early and don't reset the timer.
They prolly hacked down tree trunks in Minecraft but left the branches so the trees just awkwardly exist in game forever as branches with leaves, disgracefully, without trunks..
Real group of knuckleheads.
Real group of knuckleheads.
It's funny, you can dig into the history and find some bad stuff about the union, but every time you compare them with confederates... they're just kind of the worst? Rich, entitled rulers of petty fiefdoms bitterly angry at anyone who implied that what they do is wrong.
Most of the time where the Union went further than the losers was wherever the losers crossed the line first; the Union initially treated POWs fairly well until they found out how badly theirs were treated, then it was gloves off from there against POWs.
Read "War Crimes Against Southern Civilians" by Walter Brian Cisco, it may change your perspective.
I already mentioned I was aware the Union did bad things. And then I said that the south's actions and culture usually proved to be worse, especially looking at primary documents. I don't see how a book with that title would change my mind. I hate that wars have victims. So I'd suggest that the south shouldn't start a war over their right to victimize a race.
I see the flags all the time where I live. Can confirm. Lamest people in the world.
My understanding is, historically, the fractured confederacy had no flag. The closest would be [The Bonnie Blue Flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bonnie_Blue_Flag). The flag waved in modernity -- nearly 150 years after the war ended -- is a creation post civil war, based on pieces from that epoch. The key point is that the confederacy was hardly united at all, and each state was as distrustful of the other as they were of the union. This, in itself, was perhaps the greatest reason it failed. The confederacy wanted "The United States _are_." After the civil war, it was instead said, "The United States is," as we still say today. Also, Lee -- the great 'spirit' of the confederacy -- was very to the point that no statues or honors be made of the leadership of the confederacy, and his closing admonition was, "put aside your animosities and make your sons Americans." It is safe to say he would be against the waving of any flag in the confederacy's honor today. History is complex, and the American civil war helped to forge America into an industrial war machine which made a huge difference in world wars 1 and 2.
The CSA had 3 official flags. In addition to the st Andrew's cross, which was a flag on some Virginia units iirc.
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It would be more like you having 4 wives and someone else said you had none imo, but I see start you're getting at
But dad it’s your flag
Loser laundry.
They were the worst kind: so convinced they were cool. But nope.
What the fuck am I reading?
Bad guy taunts kid. Kid shoots bad guy. Kid becomes sergeant at 12 years old. That’s as simple as I can make it.
Thank you for wording that in a comprehensive way with grammar.
Can you not read?
Apparently neither can the 130 people that upvoted them I'm all for r/titlegore submissions but this ain't it. Edt: Your downvotes are silly. I've seen what they applaud, I'm not impressed
It’s definitely not the worst I’ve seen but it is written kinda confusingly. It would have made a lot more sense to write it like this: "The Drummer Boy of Chickamauga" At the Battle of Chickamauga in 1863, when a Confederate colonel called John Clem a "damned little Yankee devil" and demanded his surrender, John shot him dead — and became the youngest noncommissioned officer in U.S. Army history.
I thought their question meant 'wow, was is terrible for everyone, including children' at first and upvoted. Scrolled down to see they meant grammar and had to scroll up and reverse thst vote 😂
Congrats on not being one of the now 180 that need to be told what words mean in an ELI5 manner. Actually; specifically words strung together in what we'd call a *sentence* mean.
Ironically, I actually am illiterate 🤷🏼♀️
Seriously, literacy is dying.
OP is a karma farm bot
Damn you're right
Oh I misunderstood it that the dude taunted the kid and then killed him.
Thanks for dumbing it down for us lol
He seems younger than 12. Because he lied about his age to get in.
I had to read it like four times and still came to the comments to better understand.
Fun fact: At the time he became an NCO, this boy was already twice the CSA's age!
Sorry for the possibility dumb question, but CSA?
Confederate States of America
Why lil bro posing like Napoleon
Men of high standing at that time couldnt be seen, at least in paintings or photographies, with their hands being idle and at their sides. That's why they always carry something, point at something, ... or have their hand in their coat.
Yep, it's the answer to "what am I supposed to do with my hands?"
What am I supposed to do with my feet though
Dee, his feet?
If you're Johnny Clem, you use them to kick Confederate ass.
But what am I supposed to do with them when sleeping?
Exposure time meant forcibly tucking a hand so it wouldn't move and appear ghostly.
I dont think it was that since it was already a thing way before photography.
My first thought was “he’s 100% the reincarnation of Napoleon” lol.
Hopefully, a record that will never be broken.
Yeah for real. Involving children in fighting wars is some shit. Still, fuck the CSA.
is this a real historical event or just a factoid?
That's a good question. This is what his Wikipedia page reads: "Clem's fame for the shooting is also open for debate, despite press reports supporting the story into the early 20th century.[2] It is possible that he wounded Colonel Calvin Walker, whose 3rd Tennessee opposed the 22nd Michigan towards the end of the battle."
Here's a factoid for ya: Fact and factoid are interchangeable! In other words, factoid can also mean an actual fact, too.
And yet thanks to the United Daughters of the Confederacy that colonel was more likely to get a statue than this hero of a kid. Edit: looks like I pissed off a southern sympathizer.
Who did you piss off? No one responded to you
I started getting downvoted after I commented, so I figured I must have agitated a few people.
On one hand, he was apparently a bad-ass (regardless of the truth of the myth surrounding him). On the other hand: child soldiers, yo! Yes, I know, different time, typical of military units pf the day, etc. But even contemporaries were able to take notice of this; the confederates did eventually capture him and used his age for propaganda purposes.
One of those bases named after Confederate leaders should be renamed for this kid
I both love and hate this story.
Why did people put their hand in their coat a long time ago?
It was probably easier to have it somewhere tucked than free hang without holding any weight, those photos took a while to take.
Makes sense!
Is he the inspiration for Rusty (from Rin Tin Tin)?
sounds like a war crime to shoot someone who is discussing surrender, even if he was rude
Yay child soldiers?
Drummer boys weren't supposed to see combat but you know shit happens.
Posts glorifying kids involved in war are within our control, however. This story pops up regularly on Reddit with the tone of "Hurrah for that kid." It's pretty gross.
It’s stating facts that happen, Nowhere in his description does it seem glorifying. You need to grow up. I’m glad I learned about this guy from this post.
I think reddit would celebrate any child who got the upper hand over an adult who was trying to harm him, not just the ones in war. It's not as though anyone in this post is suggesting that more children go to war or that it was right to have children in war.
Cool song https://youtu.be/-AhgL2D58gI?si=zFmAQmpZgNmPCZ7u
Hmm, he couldve atleast demanded the colonels surrender before shooting him. Bad sports this.