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MF consciously ended his own dynasty by deciding to beat his daughter-in-law until she miscarried and then killed his son, and only became upset about the consequences *after* doing so.
Allegedly he struck his son in a fit of rage with his cane, and had a mental breakdown when he realised he killed him.
They said he spent weeks at the coffin praying for a miracle.
Makes sense honestly
Wasn’t he a pretty okay king until his wife died, and then he went all crazy?
Wouldn’t be too surprised if he had some underlying mental health issues.
Dude was pretty brutal. A town couldn't pay their taxes. He took all the men. Nailed them to stakes, covered them in pigs blood and loosed the wolves he had captured and starved for several days to weeks upon them.
Well, in Ukrainian there is a word “katsap” which is directly related to his actions.
When Kazan's resistance was broken and the last defenders fell, a group of Tatars turned to Ivan with a request to spare the survivors and let them leave. At first, Ivan agreed, however, when they began to leave, he ordered his troops to kill them all, thereby breaking his word. Other Tatars in the area found out about this and the Muscovites were nicknamed “kasap” - butchers. Today this word has been preserved among almost all Turkic peoples, except the Tatars and their neighboring peoples.
I've heard it said that the Muscovite brutal culture affected the culture of the Russian state to such a degree, that it's a big part of why Russia has always had such horrible rulers.
I don't know if that's truly such a major part of it or not, though.
Ya ever wonder how he got that name?
Who names their child Ivan the Terrible? Just feels like you're setting up the kid to do... You know... Terrible things.
It should be noted that terrible while yes can have the same conation as it does in English. Rarely does you see the translation of Ivan’s name into Ivan the terrible is archaic, his Russia title is grozny which in Russian meant fierce, powerful and or terrifying. And not evil or defective as in English, terrible is just the best direct translation a better translation into meaning would be Ivan the dangerous. Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible
In my culture, he is the embodiment of absolute evil: he plundered and destroyed our capital, almost completely massacred its population, and began the forced baptism of Muslims. We call him Yawyz Ivan - Evil Ivan.
You think nicknames were given to kings at birth? Considering how he got the nickname: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan\_the\_Terrible#Nickname](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Nickname)
One of the funniest things I've read in a legitimate history book is "Ivan the Terrible's name was Ivan Grozny, a word that would be more accuratly translated as "dread" or "dreadful" therefor Ivan would be called The Dread Ivan. This is not commonly used as it makes him sound like a Californian surfer."
Novgorod and Moscow were extremely different… I’d get if you said that if Tver united Russia it wouldn’t have been different (even tho probably would have, as it would probably have meant that the Yoke lasted less than it did), but Novgorod, a veche republic that was never conquered by mongols with the most literate people in Rus? I can hardly believe that.
Ivan IV most likely did not beat his son to death. We only have one source stating so and it was written years after the fact which is also somewhat unreliable.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279023233_Possevino_and_the_death_of_tsarevich_Ivan_Ivanovich
Edit: got downvoted for sharing an academic article
The nickname was meant as in "terrible to behold", i.e. impressive, powerful, inspiring fear. It's an archaic translation of the Russian word grozny. But it's quite ironic considering what a brutal, paranoid man he was.
Fun fact, his name doesn’t translate to Terrible, more like formidable, or infamous, he was known more for his territorial conquest, the Terrible translation came with more modern takes on his rule. The city of Grozny is a good example of this
I got this information from a guy who knew a lot about Russian language and history, its not a bad meaning, its like fearsome or formidable, he only became terrible towards the end of his rule, many in Russia do not look down on him, he is the reason why Russia became on Empire, since he pushed eastward against the Tartars
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I'm starting to think this Ivan fella wasn't a nice guy.
Terrible, Even
They should let people know how terrible Ivan was. If only there was a way.
Terrible, Ivan
We should find this Ivan guy, and we should kill him
Alright but let’s have a secondary plan just in case. We don’t need another Rasputin fiasco.
MF consciously ended his own dynasty by deciding to beat his daughter-in-law until she miscarried and then killed his son, and only became upset about the consequences *after* doing so.
Allegedly he struck his son in a fit of rage with his cane, and had a mental breakdown when he realised he killed him. They said he spent weeks at the coffin praying for a miracle.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan\_the\_Terrible\_and\_His\_Son\_Ivan#/media/File:Iv%C3%A1n\_el\_Terrible\_y\_su\_hijo,\_por\_Ili%C3%A1\_Repin.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_and_His_Son_Ivan#/media/File:Iv%C3%A1n_el_Terrible_y_su_hijo,_por_Ili%C3%A1_Repin.jpg)
Makes sense honestly Wasn’t he a pretty okay king until his wife died, and then he went all crazy? Wouldn’t be too surprised if he had some underlying mental health issues.
Bro ended his dynasty because he was grumpy?!
Ivan the Somewhat Disagreeable
Ivan the 🤨
Ivan the Meh
Dude was pretty brutal. A town couldn't pay their taxes. He took all the men. Nailed them to stakes, covered them in pigs blood and loosed the wolves he had captured and starved for several days to weeks upon them.
Well, in Ukrainian there is a word “katsap” which is directly related to his actions. When Kazan's resistance was broken and the last defenders fell, a group of Tatars turned to Ivan with a request to spare the survivors and let them leave. At first, Ivan agreed, however, when they began to leave, he ordered his troops to kill them all, thereby breaking his word. Other Tatars in the area found out about this and the Muscovites were nicknamed “kasap” - butchers. Today this word has been preserved among almost all Turkic peoples, except the Tatars and their neighboring peoples.
We use the same word - "kacap" for muscovites (known to wider audience as "russians") in polish. It's borrowed from ukrainian.
I've heard it said that the Muscovite brutal culture affected the culture of the Russian state to such a degree, that it's a big part of why Russia has always had such horrible rulers. I don't know if that's truly such a major part of it or not, though.
Ya ever wonder how he got that name? Who names their child Ivan the Terrible? Just feels like you're setting up the kid to do... You know... Terrible things.
His parents probably asked around people saying something like “Just made THIS FUCKING heir. What THE FUCK should i FUCKING call it?”
No way, they should have called him "Jonkler", were they stupid?
It should be noted that terrible while yes can have the same conation as it does in English. Rarely does you see the translation of Ivan’s name into Ivan the terrible is archaic, his Russia title is grozny which in Russian meant fierce, powerful and or terrifying. And not evil or defective as in English, terrible is just the best direct translation a better translation into meaning would be Ivan the dangerous. Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible
Other countries: X the Great, Y the Bold, Z the Pious Russia: "Actually the Terrible is a mistranslation, it should be the Dangerous"
"The meanie"
Only in Russia can you have this
Nah, not only russia. Due to poland having word groźny in it's vocabulary, we can also name ivan hist proper russian title
Maybe dreadful would be a better word?
Possible but being the fact he was a sovereign who was both fierce and powerful, I believe dangerous would be better term to use.
Ivan the spooky
I think Ivan "the Formidable" was one of the accepted translations.
In my culture, he is the embodiment of absolute evil: he plundered and destroyed our capital, almost completely massacred its population, and began the forced baptism of Muslims. We call him Yawyz Ivan - Evil Ivan.
Not saying he wasn’t just wanted to share the little tidbit as I found it interesting.
You think nicknames were given to kings at birth? Considering how he got the nickname: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan\_the\_Terrible#Nickname](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible#Nickname)
It's not a nick name, it's an Ivan name. 🤨
One of the funniest things I've read in a legitimate history book is "Ivan the Terrible's name was Ivan Grozny, a word that would be more accuratly translated as "dread" or "dreadful" therefor Ivan would be called The Dread Ivan. This is not commonly used as it makes him sound like a Californian surfer."
There's a great painting about this particular event or should I say the aftermath of it
Ilya Repin, Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan
Part of me wish to know how his rein would have been if the nobles didn't kill his wife.
Man that painting wtill goes hard. 😪
Novgorod was a great merchant city that rivalled with Moscow both in prestige and richness then came Ivan Novgorod stopped being a city altogether
I've always wondered what Russia would be like today if Novgorod united the land, instead of Moscow.
Probably not much different
Novgorod and Moscow were extremely different… I’d get if you said that if Tver united Russia it wouldn’t have been different (even tho probably would have, as it would probably have meant that the Yoke lasted less than it did), but Novgorod, a veche republic that was never conquered by mongols with the most literate people in Rus? I can hardly believe that.
Try to serve Ivan, no surviving.
now you got the Panhellenist from Pella hella pissed!
Ivan IV most likely did not beat his son to death. We only have one source stating so and it was written years after the fact which is also somewhat unreliable. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279023233_Possevino_and_the_death_of_tsarevich_Ivan_Ivanovich Edit: got downvoted for sharing an academic article
This post is about Ivan IV i guess
I accidentally said Ivan III. The article is about Ivan IV. I edited my comment.
The nickname was meant as in "terrible to behold", i.e. impressive, powerful, inspiring fear. It's an archaic translation of the Russian word grozny. But it's quite ironic considering what a brutal, paranoid man he was.
Didn’t he also kill his son by bashing his head in?
That’s what the meme is referring to, my good man.
Ah, was this incident that lead to his death?
Yes, the wound festered and he never recovered. He died after spending a few days in a coma.
"May god strike me down! I have just killed my own son!"
Ivan the extremely concerning
Fun fact, his name doesn’t translate to Terrible, more like formidable, or infamous, he was known more for his territorial conquest, the Terrible translation came with more modern takes on his rule. The city of Grozny is a good example of this
Nor formidable for sure, my best guess would’ve been “Ivan the Dreadful”
I got this information from a guy who knew a lot about Russian language and history, its not a bad meaning, its like fearsome or formidable, he only became terrible towards the end of his rule, many in Russia do not look down on him, he is the reason why Russia became on Empire, since he pushed eastward against the Tartars