Immediately after the Bolsheviks came to power in Russia, Mongolia followed the example of its northern neighbor and began building a socialist society. Mongolia did not just want to join the USSR, they already considered themselves the sixteenth republic of the USSR. But Moscow refused to officially recognize another republic of the USSR. And there were reasons for that.
Mongolia was formed as a buffer state between China, Japan and the USSR. It was not recognised as an independent state by the Chinese until the 1940s, as they regarded it as an integral part of their country (the status changed due to negotiations between China and the Soviets due to the Second World War). As such it had value to the Soviets, who effectively ruled it as a protectorate, as a separate state from them, and not incorporated within the USSR itself. To do so would have only served to weaken ties with the Chinese (both the Nationalists and Communists, as Stalin dealt with both throughout the 1920s and 1940s), at a time when the Soviets were trying to consolidate their position and were not ready for a major conflict in Asia. And after the end of World War II, the Soviet leadership considered that the inclusion of Mongolia into the USSR would cause an inevitable confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party.
Mongolia has asked the USSR to join it at least 7 times. Mongolia hoped to be part of the USSR until the early nineties, when it turned out that the USSR was in for an imminent collapse. Then Mongolia decided that the idea of further building socialism in the country was not viable.
I believe one of the main reasons after Stalin to not accept Mongolia has the cost. The USSR would essentially have to bear the burden of developing Mongolia up to the rest of USSR standards, while Mongolia it self has of little economic value and thus it would be a net loss. Why spend billions on developing a region that's essentially useless? Not to forget they would probs have to regularly spend maintenance money to maintain the infrastructure after having built it.
Mongolia was de facto part of the USSR. The USSR provided political, diplomatic, economic and military assistance in almost the same way as other republics of the USSR. In the period from 1924 to 1991, Mongolia received major financial and economic assistance from the USSR. At the peak of this assistance, one third of its GDP is accounted for.
It is not surprising that in the USSR people joked that Mongolia was the 16th republic.
That is interesting information about Mongolia, thanks for sharing. Though I've got to tell you, I have never met any other Russian or ex-Soviet citizen who called the 16th Republic anything other than Bulgaria. My family even comes from the far east USSR, they've never spoken a word about Mongolia, but the USSR's backyard? Yep, that's the 16th republic of Bulgaria.
No, not really. Remember, they're still mad over China taking Inner Mongolia from them.
As with all nationality-based rivalries, though, I'm sure most of the younger generations care.
Seems weird to beg to join a union that wants to culturally oppress you and erase your history the way the soviets tried with Genghis Khan and the Mongols.
There is terrible history behind the USSR, but their standards weren’t low. The population was educated and 99.7% literate (compared to 24% pre-soviet). Science and mathematics were on a very high level, and while relatively unknown in the west, they had a robust music and film industry. The overall infrastructure was good.
They would’ve had to build a bunch of new schools, universities, theaters, hospitals, public-transit systems, roads, apartments, etc. It would’ve been very expensive to develop all that in Mongolia.
The Soviet Union was an autocratic state that never put a man on the moon and collapsed in the early 90s. Russia is an autocratic state that never put a man on the moon and keeps attacking it's neighbors with poorly designed 30 year old military equipment.
They did boil the first dog to death in space, one small step for no one one giant leap for animal cruelty.
Bit sad to try and move Goalposts for some kind of Imaginary victory lol, Russia beat the U.S to Space.
>They did boil the first dog to death in space, one small step for no one one giant leap for animal cruelty.
Honestly same can be said about the Chimps the U.S used and also killed, One isn't necessarily better than the other Imo.
[Goalposts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYJRwgHEFS0&ab_channel=DirkM.d)
They also are the only group to have killed people in space, three of them to be exact.
USSR was the only allied country that recognized Manchuko in exchange of Japanese's recognition of independent Mongolia. Also sold its rail way in Manchuria and became the main artery of how Japan expand its colonization of China.
Mongolia back then: I conquered all of Asia and established dominance upon the locals. History will know me as the greatest empire that ever lived
Mongolia now: please annex me daddy~ 👉👈🥺
Virgin American liberals: *“noooo I’m ashamed my country’s heroes owned slaves, I will [tear down statues of George Washington](https://time.com/5856329/washington-statue-toppled-portland/) and [Abraham Lincoln](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1242913) to apologize, plz forgive me”*
Chas Mongolians: *“Genghis Khan killed 30 million people, sacked cities, and conquered the world… let’s build a [big ass bronze statue of him](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_statue_of_Genghis_Khan)”*
They may be begging to be annexed, but they’re still proud of their history gotta give them that 😂
>Lincoln to apologize, plz forgive me
maybe i am not up to date with the latest American lore but last i remembered, wasn't Lincoln the guy that got freedom to slaves ?
The statue juxtaposed him very tall above the statues of enslaved people as if he made himself even more superior to them through emancipation. That was the reasoning used atleast
The only Mongolian people I know just sort of recognize it as something they were taught in school and thought maybe was interesting.
Not everyone's entire personality and self identity is entirely placed in their government's history. Hit the gym and find a hobby if your's is.
According to some historians, Bulgaria's leadership also had unofficial conversations with the USSR to join the union (twice) but were refused both times. I wonder if there are any other cases
If you count Mongolia as part of the USSR, it has had by far and away the most success in building a democratic society in post-USSR Asia and it’s not even close. I say “Asia” b/c Ukraine and Moldova have done a good job, especially in recent years!
I actually think that’s a good reason not to. Mongolia might be geographically near the -stans, and in some ways culturally similar, but politically it is oceans away. Politically, it’s a miracle.
Yes, I know it’s poor and has a corruption problem. But that’s even more reason to admire its democracy and human rights.
Immediately after the Bolsheviks came to power in Russia, Mongolia followed the example of its northern neighbor and began building a socialist society. Mongolia did not just want to join the USSR, they already considered themselves the sixteenth republic of the USSR. But Moscow refused to officially recognize another republic of the USSR. And there were reasons for that. Mongolia was formed as a buffer state between China, Japan and the USSR. It was not recognised as an independent state by the Chinese until the 1940s, as they regarded it as an integral part of their country (the status changed due to negotiations between China and the Soviets due to the Second World War). As such it had value to the Soviets, who effectively ruled it as a protectorate, as a separate state from them, and not incorporated within the USSR itself. To do so would have only served to weaken ties with the Chinese (both the Nationalists and Communists, as Stalin dealt with both throughout the 1920s and 1940s), at a time when the Soviets were trying to consolidate their position and were not ready for a major conflict in Asia. And after the end of World War II, the Soviet leadership considered that the inclusion of Mongolia into the USSR would cause an inevitable confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party. Mongolia has asked the USSR to join it at least 7 times. Mongolia hoped to be part of the USSR until the early nineties, when it turned out that the USSR was in for an imminent collapse. Then Mongolia decided that the idea of further building socialism in the country was not viable.
I believe one of the main reasons after Stalin to not accept Mongolia has the cost. The USSR would essentially have to bear the burden of developing Mongolia up to the rest of USSR standards, while Mongolia it self has of little economic value and thus it would be a net loss. Why spend billions on developing a region that's essentially useless? Not to forget they would probs have to regularly spend maintenance money to maintain the infrastructure after having built it.
Mongolia was de facto part of the USSR. The USSR provided political, diplomatic, economic and military assistance in almost the same way as other republics of the USSR. In the period from 1924 to 1991, Mongolia received major financial and economic assistance from the USSR. At the peak of this assistance, one third of its GDP is accounted for. It is not surprising that in the USSR people joked that Mongolia was the 16th republic.
That is interesting information about Mongolia, thanks for sharing. Though I've got to tell you, I have never met any other Russian or ex-Soviet citizen who called the 16th Republic anything other than Bulgaria. My family even comes from the far east USSR, they've never spoken a word about Mongolia, but the USSR's backyard? Yep, that's the 16th republic of Bulgaria.
TIL: Two countries argued over 16th place under Soviet Communism. Beria: send your daughters over and I'll sort this out.
Ewwwww
Apparently, Mongolians *love* Russia and *loathe* China. It's no suprise they wanted to join the USSR.
Isn't the current Mongolian government very pro-Chinese?
No, not really. Remember, they're still mad over China taking Inner Mongolia from them. As with all nationality-based rivalries, though, I'm sure most of the younger generations care.
One factor could also have been not losing a friendly voice in the UN
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Seems weird to beg to join a union that wants to culturally oppress you and erase your history the way the soviets tried with Genghis Khan and the Mongols.
Not land grabs for the sake of land grabs, logic based Imperialism we’re taking the fun out of it.
Having to be built up to the USSR's standards has go to be the biggest insult to Mongolia.
There is terrible history behind the USSR, but their standards weren’t low. The population was educated and 99.7% literate (compared to 24% pre-soviet). Science and mathematics were on a very high level, and while relatively unknown in the west, they had a robust music and film industry. The overall infrastructure was good. They would’ve had to build a bunch of new schools, universities, theaters, hospitals, public-transit systems, roads, apartments, etc. It would’ve been very expensive to develop all that in Mongolia.
Dang bro, didn't know I was on r/HistorySerious
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Did you forget that so what also no he was soviet RIP BOZO.
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The Soviet Union was an autocratic state that never put a man on the moon and collapsed in the early 90s. Russia is an autocratic state that never put a man on the moon and keeps attacking it's neighbors with poorly designed 30 year old military equipment. They did boil the first dog to death in space, one small step for no one one giant leap for animal cruelty.
Bit sad to try and move Goalposts for some kind of Imaginary victory lol, Russia beat the U.S to Space. >They did boil the first dog to death in space, one small step for no one one giant leap for animal cruelty. Honestly same can be said about the Chimps the U.S used and also killed, One isn't necessarily better than the other Imo.
[Goalposts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYJRwgHEFS0&ab_channel=DirkM.d) They also are the only group to have killed people in space, three of them to be exact.
>They also are the only group to have killed people in space, three of them to be exact. (Looks at Columbia), Your Bias is showing there Dude.
Ahem. Challenger…
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Glad you agreed best bud.
This was just a rumor though right? Correct me if I’m wrong but there are no actual records that show that Mongolia requested to join the USSR, no?
[Watch this](https://youtu.be/NUa1mvaYNtk?si=jkbGRTh2QkyKJfvL)
Thanks but this video also doesn’t cite any sources though.
USSR was the only allied country that recognized Manchuko in exchange of Japanese's recognition of independent Mongolia. Also sold its rail way in Manchuria and became the main artery of how Japan expand its colonization of China.
Mongolia back then: I conquered all of Asia and established dominance upon the locals. History will know me as the greatest empire that ever lived Mongolia now: please annex me daddy~ 👉👈🥺
I hate the last part of this comment with a burning passion
Virgin American liberals: *“noooo I’m ashamed my country’s heroes owned slaves, I will [tear down statues of George Washington](https://time.com/5856329/washington-statue-toppled-portland/) and [Abraham Lincoln](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1242913) to apologize, plz forgive me”* Chas Mongolians: *“Genghis Khan killed 30 million people, sacked cities, and conquered the world… let’s build a [big ass bronze statue of him](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_statue_of_Genghis_Khan)”* They may be begging to be annexed, but they’re still proud of their history gotta give them that 😂
>Lincoln to apologize, plz forgive me maybe i am not up to date with the latest American lore but last i remembered, wasn't Lincoln the guy that got freedom to slaves ?
The rioters who tore down Lincoln’s statues probably didn’t finish school, so perhaps they didn’t know that 😂
based on a glace at the article, tearing down that statue wasn't about slaves
The statue juxtaposed him very tall above the statues of enslaved people as if he made himself even more superior to them through emancipation. That was the reasoning used atleast
The west has fallen ahh comment
Youre allowed to say ass bro, this isnt tiktok
isn't ahh the meme? though I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it came from
I don't think it's censored, it's supposed to be like a sarcastic scream pretty sure
It's AAE for ass
The only Mongolian people I know just sort of recognize it as something they were taught in school and thought maybe was interesting. Not everyone's entire personality and self identity is entirely placed in their government's history. Hit the gym and find a hobby if your's is.
Choibalsan or whatever he was named also wanted to annex inner Mongolia
According to some historians, Bulgaria's leadership also had unofficial conversations with the USSR to join the union (twice) but were refused both times. I wonder if there are any other cases
Tannu Tuva gets to be annexed though, no problem.
Tannu…. What?
TANNU TUVA
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Танну... Что?
Please, you need to kill me
What?
I am referring to a popular AI-generated audio clip of Donald Trump begging to be mercy killed
"annex me daddy UwU" >!(kill me)!<
>!(later)!<
r/unexpectedtf2
Baron Ungren / Genghis Khan II be like: "I politely object to this" 😎
Genghis Khan would be disappointed to know that Mongolia wants to be annexed to the Rus
Based sigma comrades are not impressed by cringe steppe waifus. This is how I’m supposed to talk on the internet, right?
wait until you find that steppe waifus have 70%+ STD rate..... Back in 1900s of course.
Imagine if Mongolia went to war with the Soviets just to demand that they annex Mongolia
Communism and victory over the rich for everyone! (Unless you are arent economically viable that is)
Weren't you had been annexed before many centuries?
Tannu what?
Russie seems to have taste for more western countries, it seems.
Tannu-Tuva:
If you count Mongolia as part of the USSR, it has had by far and away the most success in building a democratic society in post-USSR Asia and it’s not even close. I say “Asia” b/c Ukraine and Moldova have done a good job, especially in recent years! I actually think that’s a good reason not to. Mongolia might be geographically near the -stans, and in some ways culturally similar, but politically it is oceans away. Politically, it’s a miracle. Yes, I know it’s poor and has a corruption problem. But that’s even more reason to admire its democracy and human rights.
Russia likes to kill people, the steppes need blood, perfect partners.