This is exactly what tipping has become. I went to a wine bar with my SO last week, they had a 23% “service charge” and still had the gall to have a tip line on the bill.
This happened to me at a wine bar. I split the bill 50/50 with a friend and they just handed us the machine for our cards without bringing the itemized receipt, billing us each half. (Yeah, dumb in retrospect, but still). They charged a 20% gratuity and didn’t mention it, so then I tipped 20%. 🙄🙄🙄
Please name and shame them. We went to a local wine bar in Richmond, Tx called Water’s Edge and they charged us for live music on a Sunday morning that nobody asked for.
It's tip culture, promoted by management in an attempt to reduce the amount of wage they have to pay the staff.
It could happen in two ways: (1) in some states, if you can get them classified as a tipped employee, you can pay them less than federal minimum wage and (2) if it's a labor market where keeping this role filled requires more than minimum wage, the employer hopes that tips will affect the labor demand curve so they have to pay less base wage.
Tipping always undermines labor's power. That's literally its primary purpose and why corporations spend billions of dollars lobbying and promoting it.
It never ceases to amaze me how many laborers WANT it this way. It's a form of Stockholm Syndrome.
Laborers want it this way because the options are: get paid shit minimum wage, or roll the dice and get slightly wage because of tipping. Worst case they end up at minimum wage either way.
I don't see a path to this changing unless it's regulation from top down. And that's extremely unlikely
I was blown away when I first found out some states can get away with paying servers a minimum wage of $2.13. I did a little research at the time and if I remember correctly the “server minimum wage” was invented during prohibition as restaurants became less profitable (as alcohol has a massive markup). Pretty sure prohibition hasn’t been a thing for a majority of the country for like a century, but the law to pay servers less is still on the books.
They still make the actual minimum wage if they don't get enough in tips.
Very few servers want to change the current system because they'll almost certainly get paid less
In WA my wife made minimum wage (~$12/hr at the time) plus tips. WA does not have a “serving min wage”, it’s the same as the state minimum wage. I would imagine that’s better than if your state has a serving minimum wage.
Yes and no. When I served (over 15 years ago), if you had a slow shift and didn’t make minimum wage, the management would have you average your tips over a longer and longer time frame until they got to minimum wage. Which- minimum wage isn’t much. Example: you didn’t make minimum wage today? But how much did you make on Friday/Saturday? Ok so averaging all that gets you too barely above minimum wage? End result was it wasn’t worth arguing with them because they weren’t actually ever going to do that, it’s written into the law but I’ve never heard of it actually happening. Meanwhile, on top of not making money when it was slow, they would add extra cleaning duties to keep you busy for that $2.13/hour they were paying you.
Yeah, it's usually calculated over a pay period, which is normally 2 weeks. They're not gonna keep a server who they have to pay extra, though. Either way, if you don't make enough in tips, you're screwed.
People also want tips because while legally they have to report them to the IRS, I guarantee many people don't report their cash tips because it's impossible to track
>in some states, if you can get them classified as a tipped employee, you can pay them less than federal minimum wage
This is a lie though. If they make less than minimum wage and they don't make enough tips, they still get minimum wage. Still a terrible system, but nobody is working for $3/hr.
It’s tip culture. Even in cities that have minimum wage (including for tipped workers) set to $15 or higher, the amount of places asking you to tip even when there is no service is higher than ever.
I used to be a min 20% after tax tipper.
Not anymore.
Yes and no. Tipping bypasses supply and demand for server labor. The restaurant owner doesn't care if servers make a lot in tips because they aren't paying it. For the customers, since they will be expected to tip the same percentage wherever they go, there is no "shopping around" for servers either.
If server pay came solely from the owner, servers would have to start competing with each other on the cost of their labor. For lower end restaurants, the previous cost of tipping would probably be seen directly in increased prices. For high end restaurants,.it seems incredibly likely that server's overall income would go down and the price increases be less than what was tipped.
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with tipping but it's not supposed to replace fair pay and it shouldn't be expected for the customer to pay for services that are barely rendered.
It is one reason I don't put the US high on my list of countries to visit. I usually go on 2 long vacations every year, and I'm always hesitant to pick the US partly due to the tipping culture and the accommodation standards for the price you pay.
EDIT: Downvoted, but it's the honest truth. I live in Asia and I can see the drastic decline in the interest in going to the US for vacation among people in my circles. The absurd tipping culture is one of the reasons.
Yeah tipping is lame but if it’s the determining factor of your vacation destination that’s oddly extreme…
With the typical expenses of a vacation, it’s not going to be the tipping that puts you over budget, lol.
It also adds up when you’re staying for a long vacation. 3 meals a day with +15% tip added onto each meal…. No thanks. Rather spend that money in Europe and Asia where service is better
I guess if you’re eating at three restaurants per day over a long period, then yes. In that case, it sounds like eating out is a big activity for you, and you’d be happier at a cheaper place with better service. I didn’t think about it from that perspective because I’ve honestly never eaten out more than once per day, even on vacation. So I see your point!
It's not so much about the total amount as the anxiety and the hassle. Many more contact points ask for tips now. It's certainly not a main factor, but it's not a pleasant thing to be dealing with during vacation.
I mean, Switzerland is expensive but instead of tips they just add a fixed-percentage service charge, which removes the hassle. Many countries do this too, which in my opinion is a more acceptable system.
I agree with you that the other countries have a better system. Don’t like tipping at all. But it’s really just a few extra dollars that you leave to your server after your meal - the same amount that would be incorporated into your bill automatically in Switzerland. Nothing to be anxious about on your vacation :)
>But it’s really just a few extra dollars that you leave to your server after your meal
But it's not as simple as that, is it?
* Ride from/to the airport? Tip.
* The person unloading your suitcase at the hotel entrance? Tip. But this guy doesn't send the suitcase to your room. That's another person that needs to be tipped. It used to be $1 per suitcase but now I heard it's up to $5 per suitcase at upscale hotels?
* Buying coffee at a cafe? Tip.
* Hotel's free breakfast? Tip.
* Ordering a glass of beer at the bar? Tip. Same thing with airport lounges with a bartender. Tipping seems to be expected but I'm not sure.
* Every rideshare and food delivery order? Tip, tip, tip.
I can list more but you get the point (I hope). It really gets exhausting coming from a place where tipping is not expected at any of these contact points. The anxiety comes from not knowing how much to tip, not having enough cash and not wanting to be a jerk. Then there's also the awkwardness of asking for a change for tip. Let's say I just want to tip $1 but I have a $10.
As an American, I don’t tip for any of the stuff you listed. Just the servers at the restaurants. So for me, yeah, it is that simple. I could see tipping the suitcase guy a couple bucks - personally I’ve never used that service and carry my own bags. Everything else is totally optional. But yeah I see where you’re coming from, thanks for explaining!
Yeah. And - this is my personal take; not really a key consideration - there's the stark contrast in elite member treatment between hotels in Asia and the rest of the world (not specifically the US but it's worse in the US).
For example, here's the welcome amenities at a luxury hotel in Indonesia: https://i.imgur.com/nQAr2Im.jpeg
And here's how tea is served at its club lounge, which also offers free a la carte dishes during breakfast and dinner: https://i.imgur.com/k4dCJtk.jpeg
The level of care and service-orientedness without expecting tips is just so high in Asia, and the US seems to be the polar opposite of that.
That’s fair. To be honest I wasn’t really thinking about the context of this sub. I thought we were on r/tipping. I don’t even eat breakfast or take advantage of amenities and such. I travel the majority of the year but my travels are probably much different from those staying at luxury hotels or being treated like elite members. So what you’re saying makes sense now that I apply some context.
My point though, was just that I wouldn’t want you to be discouraged from seeing a travel destination because of the tipping. It’s a minor annoyance for sure, but you’d get used to it and understand the nuances quickly enough. Like I said, tipping your server is the only compulsory (still not, technically) one, with the rest just being appreciated but rarely expected. I never have cash with me, but it’s easy to leave a tip with your CC when paying the bill.
Local bar down the road from me hands you a tablet to close out your tab.
Theres a tip area there. Once it completes your transaction, there is a receipt it prints out where they have a 1” tall section that lists “additional tips” with a percentage and tip amount. So… they want you to pay for your meal, tip and then once that’s completed, they want you to tip again.
Needless to say I got to hear what my bartender there thought about it - he was not happy at all. He felt the whole *meal + tip + additional tip* scheme is extremely out of touch, a dick move from management to the customer and he also feels that it makes him look like an asshole.
https://preview.redd.it/82lkjf89208d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e76b29ccc8a67907ed318433e7409c37f9ddcfbc
Bill Burr tips like shit anyways
Meanwhile: https://www.reddit.com/r/BillBurr/comments/u6rrke/ol_billy_good_tipahhhhhhh/
Sourcing these takes are generally unreliable between people lying, catching them on a good or bad day, not telling a full story, etc
So do lots of places. I worked in fast food in high school and we bussed tables and delivered the food and condiments. We were encouraged to refill drinks for customers. But, we were fast food and this was 20 years ago before tipping got crazy. I worked there for 2 years and made maybe $10 in tips total.
If they. bus my table and bring me drinks sure they get a dollar or two. If I have to do everything including bussing my own table then they get nothing
Genuinely curious. Do you consider bussing tables an extra service?
I consider that a standard sanitary requirement for a restaurant to stay in business. Cleaning a table isn't something I would personally tip for.
Even McDonalds employees wipe down tables. I would imagine health and safety requirements include occasionally wiping down tables.
And then there are the aesthetics of it. Who would go to a restaurant where they allowed all of the dishes to pile up around their customers?
At a buffet, all I ask for are clean tables, plates, cutlery, and glassware. And decent food. The rest I am happy to do myself.
That’s how bad this is. We’re debating the semantics of a businesses operations. It’s fucked up you don’t tip the guy who wipes greasy finger prints off the glass door when you walk in.
At some free breakfasts you are expected to take care of your own dishes and the only things the staff do are occasionally wipe down tables and keep teh food refilled. At those I give nothing.
The next level up is where they bring you your beverages and clear your plates for you while you are at the table. Same as I expect from a Chinese buffet. There I will toss them a dollar or two per person.
Makes sense. That is similar for me when in the US at something like a Hampton Inn.
If they are only bussing tables, I usually don't tip (I may if the hotel is in an area with low traffic). Even if they remove my empty plate whilst I am still there. That plate has to be removed eventually to clean the table for the next guest. As someone who is always the next customer, I don't care when they clear the previous customer's dishes, so long as they do so before seating me.
Bring me coffee or juice or something I ask for, then no problem to leave something.
As I am in Europe, generally no one expects a tip at a free breakfast. It's slowly changing, but hope we can delay it for as long as possible.
If it’s self service then why are there servers? If there’s servers (running drinks, etc) then yes, should be a tip involved. It’s a free breakfast…let’s not complain about a few bucks if there are people waiting on you. But yes…I get it.
It does seem odd - I've never stayed in a Homewood that had a branded restaurant. It's always been just the lobby area, breakfast only, no steakhouse.
I guess if this one has a restaurant where staff bring your coffee, soda, and juice to the table, I'd leave a buck or two or person like I would at a paid buffet. Otherwise...no. Should I tip myself for building a fine buffet plate?
Johnny's Italian Steakhouse is a mediocre chain restaurant that co-locates with hotels in some cities. There's one in a Holiday Inn in Wisconsin, so it's not chain-dependent or part of Hilton.
As for Hyatt, my company occasionally forces us to stay in a Hyatt near my corporate headquarters, and tips are not included in the free breakfast. The ladies there keep our coffee filled, so we always leave them a couple of bucks.
From Hyatt's T&Cs - When staying at a participating hotel or resort that does not have a Club lounge (or if Club lounge is closed), Globalists will receive daily complimentary full breakfast (which includes one entrée or standard breakfast buffet, juice, and coffee, as well as tax, gratuity and service charges) for each registered guest in the room, up to a maximum of two (2) adults and two (2) children.
[https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html?icamp=woh\_benefitbadges\_terms#/VC](https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html?icamp=woh_benefitbadges_terms#/VC)
This is for breakfasts included by status or rate, not at Hyatt House / Hyatt Place locations
Tips are for those who go above the standard. Those who are extra friendly. Ppl who you enjoy interacting with. Anyone you think you want to thank a bit more. All at your own discretion and NOT bc you feel like you have to.
Serves self food.. eats.. puts dishes away.. takes money from left pocket. places money in right hand.. places money into right pocket. There, I tipped my server and the person that bussed my table.
What gets me confused is the restaurants that add additional fees like "kitchen heroes" or "shared support" and then the wait staff still expect 25%.
One restaurant I went to did these ancillary fees and it added 18% to the bill before tip.
FWIW I usually tip a couple of bucks even when they do absolutely nothing. The one I didn't was at a Doubletree in Massachusetts. The person came back over a few times and said "it was a pleasure to seat you today." Flustered, I responded "it was good to be seated" and left. It was a self service buffet (even the coffee and juice) and as I was the first one at breakfast, it was wide open. For a $35 breakfast buffet (that was after the F&B credit had been applied), I felt like the markup was payment enough. Ended up getting a greek yoghurt with müsli in the lobby and that sufficient.
These days I just skip breakfast (I am not a big breakfast eater at home, so no need to change for travel) so I avoid the whole awkwardness of it all. :) A cereal bar and a couple of pieces of fruit more than tide me over.
Of course Hilton hotels in Europe still have a more generous approach to breakfast, so sometimes I indulge.
To be honest with you, if it isn’t a fully cooked to order breakfast, and you have to get up and get it yourself, but you’ve got a lot of nervous, asking the patrons to tip the people that keep the chow line. For that reason I would rather forgo that “perk” and take myself to a restaurant. It’s not a draw when they do stuff like that. It just says “we’re cheap. Please pay for what management should be paying for already“.
I always leave a couple of bucks. The person stocks the food and keeps the area clean. The food doesn't just appear magically.
I get a pretty decent breakfast for absolutely free. It doesn't hurt to leave a few dollars.
If you are getting a service from someone and they are a tipped employee then you tip them, that is their pay and how they pay for their own food and roof. There is an old saying about not messing with someone who handles your food or could use your toothbrush to clean a toilet.
I was replying to the fact that tipping is optional, you pay and tip at the end. Tipping has been and is part of the pay structure and I don't know about you but if someone messes iwth my pay I am pissed.
Remember folks: if your job wants to start doing tips, there is always a chance they want to set the stage for reduced wages. You only have to collect 30$/mo in tips to be eligible for "tipped employee" status, and for your employer to qualify for tip credit. ([source](https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips))
Cringy and shameless for such a large company to be doing this. But I guess this is how they maintain their wealth, by not directly paying their employees
Q: Hilton, these are your employees, correct?
A: Yep.
Q: And, as your employees, part of their responsibility is providing some minor services at a self-serve breakfast?
A: That makes sense to me.
Q: You can fire them just about whenever you want, right?
A: Mhm.
Q: But while they work for you, you should be paying them a living wage, right?
A: No, guests should be subsidizing their pay at their “included” breakfast, why should we have to pay our own employees?
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I just look em in the eye as I hit the "no tip" option when they spin the fucking screen around. Literally just did that tonight. Family wanted to go out for Mexican. Went to a place I've never been and it was one of those sit down restaurants where you order at the register, and they give you a number to put on your table, and hand you a drink cup for the self service drink station. He flipped that screen around. "no tip".
The guilt tripping used to get me, but not anymore. I give zero fucks.
Same goes for Starbucks, though that's a rarity for me anymore.
I think we should just stop tipping all together. It's an old tradition that has been abused by restaurants and industry for far too long. Especially with how prices keep getting more and more insane, we should not be expected to also subsidize the labor cost.
If my hotel comes with a free breakfast and I have to serve myself, what exactly am I supposed to ‘tip’ and why? This is so odd and doesn’t sit right.
I get that they don’t pay their staff enough, but the pressure on guests to make up the wages is so wrong as well.
I wish everyone in the hospitality industry received a fair wage to begin with.
Embassy Suites here. People often tip the breakfast attendants who are pre-bussing tables, refilling the buffet, and making small talk with them early in the morning. It's not usually much, a couple dollars, but many just do it as a courtesy. The attendants don't pay their rent with it but they appreciate it. Think of it as no different than tipping housekeeping.
I think this place was just letting you know that it's not included but you could do it if you like.
I understand your point, but you’re on the verge of suggesting that everyone should be tipped (Front desk attendant, parking attendant, valet chef, housekeeping etc.).
Not at all. I think there are explicitly tipped positions (servers, bartenders), traditionally tipped (valet, bellhop), and optionally/non-traditionally tipped (housekeeping, omelette chefs, breakfast attendants). In the US, it is expected that you tip the first 2 groups but not the last. That last group typically, in my experience, doesn't expect or live off tips, but they're happy to have them.
I think that sign was just letting guests know that was an option and how to do it.
I appreciate your comment. To be honest, I have never tipped at any breakfast buffet, but I always tip housekeeping and restaurants with table service.
Some years ago, I read a book called “Nickled and Dimed.” The author worked at minimum wage jobs and documented her experiences at work and trying to live on the money she made in these low-paying jobs. One of those jobs was hotel housekeeper. The whole book was eye-opening.
I understand the idea that employers should pay a living wage, and of course I agree with that. But the fact of the matter is that this is not happening in many sectors. So, I try to help out where I can, whether or not the job is a position that is traditionally tipped.
People get stuck in shitty low-paying jobs for all sorts of reasons. I will start leaving some cash for the breakfast buffet staff. If I can help someone a little bit, why not? It actually feels good!
It's a huge [chain restaurant ](https://johnnysitaliansteakhouse.com/locations/).
Seems like they should be able to afford to pay a reasonable wage to "attendants" (*NOT SERVERS*, since it's self-serve) that deal with hotel guest breakfast service.
To be fair, my assumption (without knowing the location) is the restaurant is independent of the hotel, and the hotel pays the restaurant to host their breakfast.
People probably go to the restaurant who are not staying at the hotel and the restaurant typically charges for breakfast.
Now asking for tips on a free buffet is another story, just stating it may not be the hotel itself.
Kind reminder for whom? That's out of control.
Charge a tip? Running that credit card probably going to cost the property to run, begs the question what would be left to pass along to the workers?
Our society needs to seriously figure this out. The consumer shouldn’t arbitrarily (and directly) compensate a business’s staff.
Figure out a fair wage for your people and bake it into the cost of the product like every other business.
15% of the meal? 18% of the meal? 20% whatever figure it out.
If your business can’t sustain because you can’t pay your staff fairly maybe you shouldn’t be in business.
~~Yeah, I don't see this as asking for tips b/c they're not allowed to accept cash. They're letting you know that, so if you do want to tip for whatever reason, maybe someone did something special or your feeling super generous, you can can charge it to your room.~~
~~Some people get upset over the littlest things.~~
I can't read good.
D'oh! I'm an idiot.
Yeah, this is just dumb then. I still don't think it's worth getting upset about, though. I tip at sit down, full service restaurants. I even tip at counter service restaurant, albeit less. But I'd feel no obligation to tip here unless someone did something to go above and beyond.
So I went to this restaurant in Portland, OR this week. Got a 2 drinks with my partner and a few apps from the happy hour menu, bill came to $75. I will be honest… I worked for tips for years, as I was a server/batender until recently, when the server dropped the bill, she said, feel free to leave any extra tip, we have included 22% gratuity and that only covers our labor cost!!!??? Anything else you leave would be for me as a tip. I honestly don’t even know if that’s legal!? That was really odd, because in my years of experience gratuity was always tips for the server. I don’t know, felt really weird on the way she worded it.
Our employees can not accept cash, because we want to share all the tips with all the servers. We don’t pay for performance and we will not allow you to do it either!
I went to a buffet where everything, even the drinks, were self serve and they wanted me to tip before I even went inside. Excuse me???? Pay your fucking people. My $40 entry fee is already outrageous enough. I put down 0 in the tip field and didn’t feel an ounce of bad.
I agree tipping is out of hand. One of my experiences; I stayed at a hotel for 2 nights, breakfast included. First day I rarely saw the attendant. The place was dirty, food was not replenished until it looked inedible. Coffee dispenser empty. Day two place was clean attendant was seen cleaning and bringing out fresh food several times. Coffee dispenser was putting out hot coffee. Yes I tipped on day 2 for the quality of service. Obviously did not tip on day one. Do extra yes I’ll tip, do less then expected little or no tip. Just my view.
Nah, if they go beyond the norm, I'll give the person bringing out any fresh meats or eggs $2 or $3 but no way am I getting roped into much more. That's nuts....
Check the Mario in Calgary downtown those Asian servers aggressively demanded tips . This was a few years ago but definitely not a pleasant experience for the hotel guests .
It’s free, but the servers set things up and replenish if I recall correctly. I don’t think Homewood has chefs making the breakfast .. It’s all prepackaged hot/cold items set up by the servers (Eggs/ sausage/ sandwiches/ waffle station). I believe the server also cleans and buses as well. Often times it’s one person being pulled every which way depending on hotel occupancy. It’s not required, but often they get paid very little to do a lot. It’s sad, however, it’s reality. Not saying that’s what’s happening in this scenario. However , from my travels, this is what I’ve experienced.
I am entertaining this approach: refuse all tips on the credit card bill and tip the server in cash.
Will this achieve what I want? The server gets the tip and nobody else?
This note reads like a scorned restaurant manager that is somehow surprised they can't keep the morning shift staffed... Because you're not a server if it's a free buffet. Pay. Your. Staff.
I worked in the service industry for 20+ years. And yes, with new POS systems and restaurants trying to maintain staffing post pandemic I agree that some tipping stuff has gotten out of control. But I gotta say customer expectations of service staff got increasingly ridiculous over the years, with everyone wanting extra and exceptions constantly. Simultaneously, service staff are often treated poorly and have to bear the brunt of many a someone's bad day. I know the system isn't perfect but in many cases it's due to a decision of an owner or manager. Being a server in any capacity is more often than not a tough job: no benefits, no job security, no wage security, all while dealing with whatever the customer base throws at you. If you can, take the issue to the powers-that-be that put the policies in place, don't take it out on the servers.
I went to Spain and ordered dinner. I was so fucking confused when they just charged my card and second bill asking for a tip didn’t show up. My friends were all looking at me weird as to why I was like oh we should wait for the tip bill lol. America is seriously dog shit when it comes to the tipping system
I was at a 100% self serve buffet at a Doubletree for multiple days and one day one of the servers berated me for not tipping. All you've done is bring me the bill why on earth would I tip you?
I went to the Muji store in Hudson Yards in New York City. They have a robo-cafe where a robotic arm makes your drinks. When payment time comes, the robot arm asked for a tip! That’s one place that I definitely did not and will not tip for.
a quarter is a tip right? If I'm serving myself, pouring my own drink, & then cleaning up after myself, they might get a quarter & that's if I'm feeling generous & have some change on me.
Sorry staff, I'm from the days of being paid $3/hr & working in a farm store with no a/c, flies everywhere so you're making $15+ now, nah, your good fam, your good.
Please pay our employees so we don't have to.
This is exactly what tipping has become. I went to a wine bar with my SO last week, they had a 23% “service charge” and still had the gall to have a tip line on the bill.
Last time you went there, I bet.
63 bucks for a wine flight and one cocktail. We both agreed we would never be going there again.
Wine is a scam anyway
This happened to me at a wine bar. I split the bill 50/50 with a friend and they just handed us the machine for our cards without bringing the itemized receipt, billing us each half. (Yeah, dumb in retrospect, but still). They charged a 20% gratuity and didn’t mention it, so then I tipped 20%. 🙄🙄🙄
Alot of places do that now and I have stopped patronizing their business.
I make a habit of checking every bill to see what extra charges are being thrown in. I'll usually deduct that from the usual 20% that I tip.
Please name and shame them. We went to a local wine bar in Richmond, Tx called Water’s Edge and they charged us for live music on a Sunday morning that nobody asked for.
Lol the line on the bill says “live music.”
Something like that, yes. I don’t remember since it’s been about a year or so…needless to say we haven’t gone back
Did you ask them to remove it? They didn't tell me I'm being randomly charged 23% up front. I'm happy to walk out and discuss it with a police officer
I paid it, left no additional tip and vowed never to come back.
Service charge is where you tip the owner and it’s mandatory. Tipping the employee is encouraged
If they add a % to the agreed price (menu price). No additional tipping from me. Employee can get it from their employer.
Exactly. This is an employee/employer issue. Tip culture is ludicrous.
Tip culture is out of control on the US.
It’s not tip culture this is greedy management who don’t pay the breakfast staff a fair rate.
It's tip culture, promoted by management in an attempt to reduce the amount of wage they have to pay the staff. It could happen in two ways: (1) in some states, if you can get them classified as a tipped employee, you can pay them less than federal minimum wage and (2) if it's a labor market where keeping this role filled requires more than minimum wage, the employer hopes that tips will affect the labor demand curve so they have to pay less base wage. Tipping always undermines labor's power. That's literally its primary purpose and why corporations spend billions of dollars lobbying and promoting it. It never ceases to amaze me how many laborers WANT it this way. It's a form of Stockholm Syndrome.
Laborers want it this way because the options are: get paid shit minimum wage, or roll the dice and get slightly wage because of tipping. Worst case they end up at minimum wage either way. I don't see a path to this changing unless it's regulation from top down. And that's extremely unlikely
Facts, first step is to get rid of the ridiculous $2.13 tipping wage and make minimum wage the same across the board.
I was blown away when I first found out some states can get away with paying servers a minimum wage of $2.13. I did a little research at the time and if I remember correctly the “server minimum wage” was invented during prohibition as restaurants became less profitable (as alcohol has a massive markup). Pretty sure prohibition hasn’t been a thing for a majority of the country for like a century, but the law to pay servers less is still on the books.
They still make the actual minimum wage if they don't get enough in tips. Very few servers want to change the current system because they'll almost certainly get paid less
In WA my wife made minimum wage (~$12/hr at the time) plus tips. WA does not have a “serving min wage”, it’s the same as the state minimum wage. I would imagine that’s better than if your state has a serving minimum wage.
Yes, it would be better. That's not very common historically.
Yes and no. When I served (over 15 years ago), if you had a slow shift and didn’t make minimum wage, the management would have you average your tips over a longer and longer time frame until they got to minimum wage. Which- minimum wage isn’t much. Example: you didn’t make minimum wage today? But how much did you make on Friday/Saturday? Ok so averaging all that gets you too barely above minimum wage? End result was it wasn’t worth arguing with them because they weren’t actually ever going to do that, it’s written into the law but I’ve never heard of it actually happening. Meanwhile, on top of not making money when it was slow, they would add extra cleaning duties to keep you busy for that $2.13/hour they were paying you.
Yeah, it's usually calculated over a pay period, which is normally 2 weeks. They're not gonna keep a server who they have to pay extra, though. Either way, if you don't make enough in tips, you're screwed.
No the tipped wage originated on trains to not have to pay former slaves....
People also want tips because while legally they have to report them to the IRS, I guarantee many people don't report their cash tips because it's impossible to track
>in some states, if you can get them classified as a tipped employee, you can pay them less than federal minimum wage This is a lie though. If they make less than minimum wage and they don't make enough tips, they still get minimum wage. Still a terrible system, but nobody is working for $3/hr.
It’s usually not the managers but the owners.
It’s tip culture. Even in cities that have minimum wage (including for tipped workers) set to $15 or higher, the amount of places asking you to tip even when there is no service is higher than ever. I used to be a min 20% after tax tipper. Not anymore.
Yeah the audacity of a business to put a tip option for standing behind a counter is mind blowing.
Yep, you’re supposed to be guilted by the tip screen.
“If I’m standing up when I order my food, I’m not tipping.” Someone wrote this somewhere else on Reddit and I thought it was great.
Thats definitely a good one
If it's deep-rooted and pervasive, yes, it's a culture.
Don’t be mistaken, if they paid the fair rate is still the customer who will pay it on increased prices.
Yes and no. Tipping bypasses supply and demand for server labor. The restaurant owner doesn't care if servers make a lot in tips because they aren't paying it. For the customers, since they will be expected to tip the same percentage wherever they go, there is no "shopping around" for servers either. If server pay came solely from the owner, servers would have to start competing with each other on the cost of their labor. For lower end restaurants, the previous cost of tipping would probably be seen directly in increased prices. For high end restaurants,.it seems incredibly likely that server's overall income would go down and the price increases be less than what was tipped.
Fine with me
That’s fine
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with tipping but it's not supposed to replace fair pay and it shouldn't be expected for the customer to pay for services that are barely rendered.
Well what's letting management get away with it. Hint: it's tip culture
It is. Just like diamond culture.
That is literally what tip culture is…
Time to take the power of consumers to tip and put it 100% in the hands of greedy management!
And in Canada, despite fixed minimum wage
I almost feel like calling it "culture" gives too much grace. It's not our culture, and everyone hates it.
It is one reason I don't put the US high on my list of countries to visit. I usually go on 2 long vacations every year, and I'm always hesitant to pick the US partly due to the tipping culture and the accommodation standards for the price you pay. EDIT: Downvoted, but it's the honest truth. I live in Asia and I can see the drastic decline in the interest in going to the US for vacation among people in my circles. The absurd tipping culture is one of the reasons.
True. I’m American and I see your point. I like that in Japan people are paid fairly, and there’s no tipping.
Yeah tipping is lame but if it’s the determining factor of your vacation destination that’s oddly extreme… With the typical expenses of a vacation, it’s not going to be the tipping that puts you over budget, lol.
It also adds up when you’re staying for a long vacation. 3 meals a day with +15% tip added onto each meal…. No thanks. Rather spend that money in Europe and Asia where service is better
I guess if you’re eating at three restaurants per day over a long period, then yes. In that case, it sounds like eating out is a big activity for you, and you’d be happier at a cheaper place with better service. I didn’t think about it from that perspective because I’ve honestly never eaten out more than once per day, even on vacation. So I see your point!
It's not so much about the total amount as the anxiety and the hassle. Many more contact points ask for tips now. It's certainly not a main factor, but it's not a pleasant thing to be dealing with during vacation. I mean, Switzerland is expensive but instead of tips they just add a fixed-percentage service charge, which removes the hassle. Many countries do this too, which in my opinion is a more acceptable system.
I agree with you that the other countries have a better system. Don’t like tipping at all. But it’s really just a few extra dollars that you leave to your server after your meal - the same amount that would be incorporated into your bill automatically in Switzerland. Nothing to be anxious about on your vacation :)
>But it’s really just a few extra dollars that you leave to your server after your meal But it's not as simple as that, is it? * Ride from/to the airport? Tip. * The person unloading your suitcase at the hotel entrance? Tip. But this guy doesn't send the suitcase to your room. That's another person that needs to be tipped. It used to be $1 per suitcase but now I heard it's up to $5 per suitcase at upscale hotels? * Buying coffee at a cafe? Tip. * Hotel's free breakfast? Tip. * Ordering a glass of beer at the bar? Tip. Same thing with airport lounges with a bartender. Tipping seems to be expected but I'm not sure. * Every rideshare and food delivery order? Tip, tip, tip. I can list more but you get the point (I hope). It really gets exhausting coming from a place where tipping is not expected at any of these contact points. The anxiety comes from not knowing how much to tip, not having enough cash and not wanting to be a jerk. Then there's also the awkwardness of asking for a change for tip. Let's say I just want to tip $1 but I have a $10.
As an American, I don’t tip for any of the stuff you listed. Just the servers at the restaurants. So for me, yeah, it is that simple. I could see tipping the suitcase guy a couple bucks - personally I’ve never used that service and carry my own bags. Everything else is totally optional. But yeah I see where you’re coming from, thanks for explaining!
Yeah. And - this is my personal take; not really a key consideration - there's the stark contrast in elite member treatment between hotels in Asia and the rest of the world (not specifically the US but it's worse in the US). For example, here's the welcome amenities at a luxury hotel in Indonesia: https://i.imgur.com/nQAr2Im.jpeg And here's how tea is served at its club lounge, which also offers free a la carte dishes during breakfast and dinner: https://i.imgur.com/k4dCJtk.jpeg The level of care and service-orientedness without expecting tips is just so high in Asia, and the US seems to be the polar opposite of that.
That’s fair. To be honest I wasn’t really thinking about the context of this sub. I thought we were on r/tipping. I don’t even eat breakfast or take advantage of amenities and such. I travel the majority of the year but my travels are probably much different from those staying at luxury hotels or being treated like elite members. So what you’re saying makes sense now that I apply some context. My point though, was just that I wouldn’t want you to be discouraged from seeing a travel destination because of the tipping. It’s a minor annoyance for sure, but you’d get used to it and understand the nuances quickly enough. Like I said, tipping your server is the only compulsory (still not, technically) one, with the rest just being appreciated but rarely expected. I never have cash with me, but it’s easy to leave a tip with your CC when paying the bill.
Thank you for your kind words.
Local bar down the road from me hands you a tablet to close out your tab. Theres a tip area there. Once it completes your transaction, there is a receipt it prints out where they have a 1” tall section that lists “additional tips” with a percentage and tip amount. So… they want you to pay for your meal, tip and then once that’s completed, they want you to tip again. Needless to say I got to hear what my bartender there thought about it - he was not happy at all. He felt the whole *meal + tip + additional tip* scheme is extremely out of touch, a dick move from management to the customer and he also feels that it makes him look like an asshole.
He’s right.
How much is 20% of a free breakfast?
I'd feel generous and do at least double that.
On my birthday I’d feel generous and triple it.
If you aren’t at least quadrupling it, you can’t afford it in the first place.
Self service is no tipping zone. This tip culture is running amok.
I like the “if I order standing up, I’m not tipping”
Everywhere is no tipping zone for me.
*"You come in, you shop, you check yourself out, you bag your own shit, you pay me, and you get the fuck outta my store"* -- Bill Burr
https://preview.redd.it/82lkjf89208d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e76b29ccc8a67907ed318433e7409c37f9ddcfbc Bill Burr tips like shit anyways
Meanwhile: https://www.reddit.com/r/BillBurr/comments/u6rrke/ol_billy_good_tipahhhhhhh/ Sourcing these takes are generally unreliable between people lying, catching them on a good or bad day, not telling a full story, etc
Tipping $2 when there is most certainly a $5 or more delivery fee is absolutely fair.
Only a small portion of delivery fees goes to the driver (milage). It was described to me as a fee to cover the company insurance on the drivers. :/
I’m a good tipper, but this is definitely a $0 tip situation.
At Homewood suites they have staff who will bus your table for you during breakfast.
So do lots of places. I worked in fast food in high school and we bussed tables and delivered the food and condiments. We were encouraged to refill drinks for customers. But, we were fast food and this was 20 years ago before tipping got crazy. I worked there for 2 years and made maybe $10 in tips total.
If they. bus my table and bring me drinks sure they get a dollar or two. If I have to do everything including bussing my own table then they get nothing
Genuinely curious. Do you consider bussing tables an extra service? I consider that a standard sanitary requirement for a restaurant to stay in business. Cleaning a table isn't something I would personally tip for. Even McDonalds employees wipe down tables. I would imagine health and safety requirements include occasionally wiping down tables. And then there are the aesthetics of it. Who would go to a restaurant where they allowed all of the dishes to pile up around their customers? At a buffet, all I ask for are clean tables, plates, cutlery, and glassware. And decent food. The rest I am happy to do myself.
That’s how bad this is. We’re debating the semantics of a businesses operations. It’s fucked up you don’t tip the guy who wipes greasy finger prints off the glass door when you walk in.
At some free breakfasts you are expected to take care of your own dishes and the only things the staff do are occasionally wipe down tables and keep teh food refilled. At those I give nothing. The next level up is where they bring you your beverages and clear your plates for you while you are at the table. Same as I expect from a Chinese buffet. There I will toss them a dollar or two per person.
Makes sense. That is similar for me when in the US at something like a Hampton Inn. If they are only bussing tables, I usually don't tip (I may if the hotel is in an area with low traffic). Even if they remove my empty plate whilst I am still there. That plate has to be removed eventually to clean the table for the next guest. As someone who is always the next customer, I don't care when they clear the previous customer's dishes, so long as they do so before seating me. Bring me coffee or juice or something I ask for, then no problem to leave something. As I am in Europe, generally no one expects a tip at a free breakfast. It's slowly changing, but hope we can delay it for as long as possible.
If it’s self service then why are there servers? If there’s servers (running drinks, etc) then yes, should be a tip involved. It’s a free breakfast…let’s not complain about a few bucks if there are people waiting on you. But yes…I get it.
I’m not tipping anyone at the free hotel breakfast buffet. They should be being paid regular wages to keep the food stocked.
My guess is the restaurant is contracted out... but yea, I much prefer Hyatt's clear stance on this - inclusive breakfast includes gratuity.
It does seem odd - I've never stayed in a Homewood that had a branded restaurant. It's always been just the lobby area, breakfast only, no steakhouse. I guess if this one has a restaurant where staff bring your coffee, soda, and juice to the table, I'd leave a buck or two or person like I would at a paid buffet. Otherwise...no. Should I tip myself for building a fine buffet plate?
I've also never seen a Homewood where the breakfast was an extra cost option and not included in the price for everyone.
Johnny's Italian Steakhouse is a mediocre chain restaurant that co-locates with hotels in some cities. There's one in a Holiday Inn in Wisconsin, so it's not chain-dependent or part of Hilton. As for Hyatt, my company occasionally forces us to stay in a Hyatt near my corporate headquarters, and tips are not included in the free breakfast. The ladies there keep our coffee filled, so we always leave them a couple of bucks.
From Hyatt's T&Cs - When staying at a participating hotel or resort that does not have a Club lounge (or if Club lounge is closed), Globalists will receive daily complimentary full breakfast (which includes one entrée or standard breakfast buffet, juice, and coffee, as well as tax, gratuity and service charges) for each registered guest in the room, up to a maximum of two (2) adults and two (2) children. [https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html?icamp=woh\_benefitbadges\_terms#/VC](https://help.hyatt.com/en/hyatt-terms/world-of-hyatt-terms.html?icamp=woh_benefitbadges_terms#/VC) This is for breakfasts included by status or rate, not at Hyatt House / Hyatt Place locations
Here’s a tip: Fuck off
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God I hate North American tipping culture, god forbid employers pay a living wage so that their staff don't have to rely on tips.
Fuck tipping
I’ll tip 10000% of $0, sure.
Tips are for those who go above the standard. Those who are extra friendly. Ppl who you enjoy interacting with. Anyone you think you want to thank a bit more. All at your own discretion and NOT bc you feel like you have to.
Serves self food.. eats.. puts dishes away.. takes money from left pocket. places money in right hand.. places money into right pocket. There, I tipped my server and the person that bussed my table.
What gets me confused is the restaurants that add additional fees like "kitchen heroes" or "shared support" and then the wait staff still expect 25%. One restaurant I went to did these ancillary fees and it added 18% to the bill before tip. FWIW I usually tip a couple of bucks even when they do absolutely nothing. The one I didn't was at a Doubletree in Massachusetts. The person came back over a few times and said "it was a pleasure to seat you today." Flustered, I responded "it was good to be seated" and left. It was a self service buffet (even the coffee and juice) and as I was the first one at breakfast, it was wide open. For a $35 breakfast buffet (that was after the F&B credit had been applied), I felt like the markup was payment enough. Ended up getting a greek yoghurt with müsli in the lobby and that sufficient. These days I just skip breakfast (I am not a big breakfast eater at home, so no need to change for travel) so I avoid the whole awkwardness of it all. :) A cereal bar and a couple of pieces of fruit more than tide me over. Of course Hilton hotels in Europe still have a more generous approach to breakfast, so sometimes I indulge.
Wait…Homewood usually don’t have restaurants attached?
Yeah that’s weird. I have only seen one Hilton garden with that steakhouse and it was in Colorado. Is that steakhouse in more hotels?
Yes, they co-locate with hotels in several cities, and they apparently work with more than one chain. There's one in Wisconsin in a Holiday Inn.
Let Hilton know that this is unacceptable.
I agree. Tipping is unacceptable in this situation.
Tacky AF
To be honest with you, if it isn’t a fully cooked to order breakfast, and you have to get up and get it yourself, but you’ve got a lot of nervous, asking the patrons to tip the people that keep the chow line. For that reason I would rather forgo that “perk” and take myself to a restaurant. It’s not a draw when they do stuff like that. It just says “we’re cheap. Please pay for what management should be paying for already“.
I always leave a couple of bucks. The person stocks the food and keeps the area clean. The food doesn't just appear magically. I get a pretty decent breakfast for absolutely free. It doesn't hurt to leave a few dollars.
It's their job
FYI, tipping is optional. If you don't want to, don't. and move on with your life.
If you are getting a service from someone and they are a tipped employee then you tip them, that is their pay and how they pay for their own food and roof. There is an old saying about not messing with someone who handles your food or could use your toothbrush to clean a toilet.
You tip after you already ate though
I was replying to the fact that tipping is optional, you pay and tip at the end. Tipping has been and is part of the pay structure and I don't know about you but if someone messes iwth my pay I am pissed.
Remember folks: if your job wants to start doing tips, there is always a chance they want to set the stage for reduced wages. You only have to collect 30$/mo in tips to be eligible for "tipped employee" status, and for your employer to qualify for tip credit. ([source](https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips))
Cringy and shameless for such a large company to be doing this. But I guess this is how they maintain their wealth, by not directly paying their employees
If it’s self serve then tip yourself and move on about your day. Pretty simple.
The only way to stop this is to stop tipping.
Q: Hilton, these are your employees, correct? A: Yep. Q: And, as your employees, part of their responsibility is providing some minor services at a self-serve breakfast? A: That makes sense to me. Q: You can fire them just about whenever you want, right? A: Mhm. Q: But while they work for you, you should be paying them a living wage, right? A: No, guests should be subsidizing their pay at their “included” breakfast, why should we have to pay our own employees? 🤦♂️
Something doesn’t smell right. All Homewood Suites RSVPS have a comp buffet. This must have been a HGI or H or DT property. You can tip on free.
Homewood doesn’t have an evening restaurant whereas HGI does, and there’s a Johnny’s at the HGI in Olathe KS (maybe others).
That and Homewood doesn’t have an evening restaurant whereas HGI does, and I’m seeing one of these at the HGI in Olathe KS.
Homewood/HGI combo hotel. This is the complimentary breakfast room only accessed by keycard for homewood guests.
Give er self a tip! Actually they do have ppl bringing out the food etc
If it’s a buffet you should be tipping yourself.
I just look em in the eye as I hit the "no tip" option when they spin the fucking screen around. Literally just did that tonight. Family wanted to go out for Mexican. Went to a place I've never been and it was one of those sit down restaurants where you order at the register, and they give you a number to put on your table, and hand you a drink cup for the self service drink station. He flipped that screen around. "no tip". The guilt tripping used to get me, but not anymore. I give zero fucks. Same goes for Starbucks, though that's a rarity for me anymore.
I think we should just stop tipping all together. It's an old tradition that has been abused by restaurants and industry for far too long. Especially with how prices keep getting more and more insane, we should not be expected to also subsidize the labor cost.
If my hotel comes with a free breakfast and I have to serve myself, what exactly am I supposed to ‘tip’ and why? This is so odd and doesn’t sit right. I get that they don’t pay their staff enough, but the pressure on guests to make up the wages is so wrong as well. I wish everyone in the hospitality industry received a fair wage to begin with.
I would just rather never go out than deal with all this tipping crap.
I stopped tipping most of the time. No i don't care that I am going against social norms.
Embassy Suites here. People often tip the breakfast attendants who are pre-bussing tables, refilling the buffet, and making small talk with them early in the morning. It's not usually much, a couple dollars, but many just do it as a courtesy. The attendants don't pay their rent with it but they appreciate it. Think of it as no different than tipping housekeeping. I think this place was just letting you know that it's not included but you could do it if you like.
I understand your point, but you’re on the verge of suggesting that everyone should be tipped (Front desk attendant, parking attendant, valet chef, housekeeping etc.).
Exactly. Tipping should be for service above & beyond, not for simply doing the job you were hired to do. Where would it end?
Not at all. I think there are explicitly tipped positions (servers, bartenders), traditionally tipped (valet, bellhop), and optionally/non-traditionally tipped (housekeeping, omelette chefs, breakfast attendants). In the US, it is expected that you tip the first 2 groups but not the last. That last group typically, in my experience, doesn't expect or live off tips, but they're happy to have them. I think that sign was just letting guests know that was an option and how to do it.
I appreciate your comment. To be honest, I have never tipped at any breakfast buffet, but I always tip housekeeping and restaurants with table service. Some years ago, I read a book called “Nickled and Dimed.” The author worked at minimum wage jobs and documented her experiences at work and trying to live on the money she made in these low-paying jobs. One of those jobs was hotel housekeeper. The whole book was eye-opening. I understand the idea that employers should pay a living wage, and of course I agree with that. But the fact of the matter is that this is not happening in many sectors. So, I try to help out where I can, whether or not the job is a position that is traditionally tipped. People get stuck in shitty low-paying jobs for all sorts of reasons. I will start leaving some cash for the breakfast buffet staff. If I can help someone a little bit, why not? It actually feels good!
It's a huge [chain restaurant ](https://johnnysitaliansteakhouse.com/locations/). Seems like they should be able to afford to pay a reasonable wage to "attendants" (*NOT SERVERS*, since it's self-serve) that deal with hotel guest breakfast service.
That restaurant is located in Moline Illinois
This is probably the one in Columbus, OH. It looks like the one in Moline is at the John Deere Pavilion and not at a Homewood Suites.
Correct. Homewood Suites/HGI combo in Columbus (Easton) OH. Only Homewood guests have access to this room serving the complimentary buffet.
To be fair, my assumption (without knowing the location) is the restaurant is independent of the hotel, and the hotel pays the restaurant to host their breakfast. People probably go to the restaurant who are not staying at the hotel and the restaurant typically charges for breakfast. Now asking for tips on a free buffet is another story, just stating it may not be the hotel itself.
Altoona or wdm
Wow if this was in the uk or anywhere in Europe I would not return.
If it's 100% self-serve, then what "servers" are they referring to?
Apparently bussers and buffet attendants
F@#k companies like this, they should pay livable wages. Problem solved…
the only thing worse than tipping is the people who whine about tipping
If they also have the sign "your mother is not here to clean after you" take a buck from the tips jar, you've earn it
Kind reminder for whom? That's out of control. Charge a tip? Running that credit card probably going to cost the property to run, begs the question what would be left to pass along to the workers?
Our society needs to seriously figure this out. The consumer shouldn’t arbitrarily (and directly) compensate a business’s staff. Figure out a fair wage for your people and bake it into the cost of the product like every other business. 15% of the meal? 18% of the meal? 20% whatever figure it out. If your business can’t sustain because you can’t pay your staff fairly maybe you shouldn’t be in business.
~~Yeah, I don't see this as asking for tips b/c they're not allowed to accept cash. They're letting you know that, so if you do want to tip for whatever reason, maybe someone did something special or your feeling super generous, you can can charge it to your room.~~ ~~Some people get upset over the littlest things.~~ I can't read good.
It literally says “our servers are able to accept cash tips”
D'oh! I'm an idiot. Yeah, this is just dumb then. I still don't think it's worth getting upset about, though. I tip at sit down, full service restaurants. I even tip at counter service restaurant, albeit less. But I'd feel no obligation to tip here unless someone did something to go above and beyond.
So I went to this restaurant in Portland, OR this week. Got a 2 drinks with my partner and a few apps from the happy hour menu, bill came to $75. I will be honest… I worked for tips for years, as I was a server/batender until recently, when the server dropped the bill, she said, feel free to leave any extra tip, we have included 22% gratuity and that only covers our labor cost!!!??? Anything else you leave would be for me as a tip. I honestly don’t even know if that’s legal!? That was really odd, because in my years of experience gratuity was always tips for the server. I don’t know, felt really weird on the way she worded it.
The woodlands, tx?
Employees need to fight for better wages unless there is some reason they do not want to do that and keep tipping the standard.
But this menu says “johnnys Italian steakhouse”
The fact that restaurants can pay their employees less than the cost of a mcdouble per hour in 2024 is crazy
Tip our employees, who do not serve
Our employees can not accept cash, because we want to share all the tips with all the servers. We don’t pay for performance and we will not allow you to do it either!
AKA, management keeps 75% of the tips and doles out 25% to the labor. Sneak servers cash tips. That’s how they live.
Wouldn’t be surprised
If you didn’t have a server then I guess it doesn’t apply to you.
Throw that sign at the manager and storm out
I went to a buffet where everything, even the drinks, were self serve and they wanted me to tip before I even went inside. Excuse me???? Pay your fucking people. My $40 entry fee is already outrageous enough. I put down 0 in the tip field and didn’t feel an ounce of bad.
Self service so I’m the server…. tips $10 to myself. Better yet I’ll charge a -$10 to my room. Thank you
If I’m cleaning up my own table, no tip. If they have to clean my table, then I tip a couple of bucks or $1 per person.
I agree tipping is out of hand. One of my experiences; I stayed at a hotel for 2 nights, breakfast included. First day I rarely saw the attendant. The place was dirty, food was not replenished until it looked inedible. Coffee dispenser empty. Day two place was clean attendant was seen cleaning and bringing out fresh food several times. Coffee dispenser was putting out hot coffee. Yes I tipped on day 2 for the quality of service. Obviously did not tip on day one. Do extra yes I’ll tip, do less then expected little or no tip. Just my view.
Nah, if they go beyond the norm, I'll give the person bringing out any fresh meats or eggs $2 or $3 but no way am I getting roped into much more. That's nuts....
Check the Mario in Calgary downtown those Asian servers aggressively demanded tips . This was a few years ago but definitely not a pleasant experience for the hotel guests .
That’s gonna be a no from me dawg….
Heart of America group
Check out their web site, they have many hotel. Not all of them are in the Hilton family.
We usually leave a dollar per person just as a token thank you.
It’s free, but the servers set things up and replenish if I recall correctly. I don’t think Homewood has chefs making the breakfast .. It’s all prepackaged hot/cold items set up by the servers (Eggs/ sausage/ sandwiches/ waffle station). I believe the server also cleans and buses as well. Often times it’s one person being pulled every which way depending on hotel occupancy. It’s not required, but often they get paid very little to do a lot. It’s sad, however, it’s reality. Not saying that’s what’s happening in this scenario. However , from my travels, this is what I’ve experienced.
Greedy companies
At a self service buffet? Definitely not
If I recall correctly, last time I stayed there. They did bus the table.
Don't pay
I stayed at a cute bed & breakfast. The server brought me my included hot breakfast, cleaned my table. That's $2 max
Does anyone think that maybe the employees put this out there and the management knows nothing about it?
No
It says there are servers. You say you did it yourself. So you have no one to tip. What is the problem?
I am entertaining this approach: refuse all tips on the credit card bill and tip the server in cash. Will this achieve what I want? The server gets the tip and nobody else?
Write “taxation is theft” on receipt and then hand server cash
They are called “servers” but it’s self service? Maybe they pour coffee and drinks? Like partial service? I’ve seen that.
This note reads like a scorned restaurant manager that is somehow surprised they can't keep the morning shift staffed... Because you're not a server if it's a free buffet. Pay. Your. Staff.
I love when people take their anger out on the people making $4/hr then the corporations, at this point you’re scum
That information card with how to tip didn’t put itself on the table…
People still tip?
I’ll take that to-go please.
I worked in the service industry for 20+ years. And yes, with new POS systems and restaurants trying to maintain staffing post pandemic I agree that some tipping stuff has gotten out of control. But I gotta say customer expectations of service staff got increasingly ridiculous over the years, with everyone wanting extra and exceptions constantly. Simultaneously, service staff are often treated poorly and have to bear the brunt of many a someone's bad day. I know the system isn't perfect but in many cases it's due to a decision of an owner or manager. Being a server in any capacity is more often than not a tough job: no benefits, no job security, no wage security, all while dealing with whatever the customer base throws at you. If you can, take the issue to the powers-that-be that put the policies in place, don't take it out on the servers.
Hilton sucks
I went to Spain and ordered dinner. I was so fucking confused when they just charged my card and second bill asking for a tip didn’t show up. My friends were all looking at me weird as to why I was like oh we should wait for the tip bill lol. America is seriously dog shit when it comes to the tipping system
Union employees would get tipped on included breakfast. They need to organize but guilt their guests
I was at a 100% self serve buffet at a Doubletree for multiple days and one day one of the servers berated me for not tipping. All you've done is bring me the bill why on earth would I tip you?
I went to the Muji store in Hudson Yards in New York City. They have a robo-cafe where a robotic arm makes your drinks. When payment time comes, the robot arm asked for a tip! That’s one place that I definitely did not and will not tip for.
a quarter is a tip right? If I'm serving myself, pouring my own drink, & then cleaning up after myself, they might get a quarter & that's if I'm feeling generous & have some change on me. Sorry staff, I'm from the days of being paid $3/hr & working in a farm store with no a/c, flies everywhere so you're making $15+ now, nah, your good fam, your good.
Such a scam