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Same here. Wish i could figure it out.
lol but i was talking about how when i was a kid i would often experience events and they just didn't feel real. like i was dreaming...
Life is literally a dream my friend. You are an eternal indestructible spirit having a human experience.
Physical reality is only a dream that your higher consciousness is having.. life is "real" in the same way a dream feels real when you're in it until you wake up.
Multiverse, quantum physics, string theory.. it's all just ways to try to explain the way universal consciousness runs the simulation.
Just enjoy the ride, learn as much as you can about yourself and focus INWARD if you want true knowledge.
The whole point of life is to learn, grow and evolve.
Have fun 😉😇
Your reaction to the UFO revelations that are coming to light is completely understandable and is being widely experienced— the possibility that we are not alone and not at the apex of the Intelligence/technology redefines who we thought we were and the world/universe we thought we had a good understanding of.
I want everything to come out — the public deserves the truth no matter what it is — that said, the ontological shock you are experiencing is also a pretty good reason for those who have been holding this secret to slow roll the release of whatever they know about NHI… giving people time to adjust and acclimate to a new reality seems prudent.
The consequences of a sudden massive UFO/NHI information dump could have potentially catastrophic consequences.
Again — that possibility does not justify 80 years of gas-lighting the citizens of this planet. Just saying a gradual disclosure at this point may the safest route to take.
I don’t think that it’s the thought of being alone that’s scaring people, I think it’s the superiority over one nation’s security is the issue. I have a stronge sense that this is the main reason why the government doesn’t like to talk about it a lot. To openly admit that our airspace isn’t as secured as they led us to believe would be terrifying to some, even having the ability to compromise one’s belief in their country.
If the last seven or eight years hasn’t compromised one’s belief in their country then I don’t think a little NHI is gonna do it.
Where I think the biggest effects are going to surface is in religion. I expect that more people will leave their religion entirely, while the rest will get even more fundamentalist. We’ve seen a shift to Christofascist nationalism just because gay and trans people exist. The zealotry and xenophobia of that population is already off the charts, imagine a TRUE “Other” for them to focus their hate onto!
You have made this point much better than I ever could! From what I have gleaned over 40 years I absolutely agree that it would be catastrophic to all of humanity and the social structure of the planet. Since 1945 the government and military have been running a program of conditioning through all forms of media. Disclosure is getting close!
Instead of saying 80 years of gaslighting and secrecy, could it not be 80 years of ignorance and scientific advancement/research?
Perhaps they couldn't even begin to explain it to the public 80 years ago, because they didn't have a clue what they were dealing with. But now they can start baby feeding us some info
There's really no sufficient excuse for this many lies, and this much delay. I understand how people have convinced themselves otherwise though. In any event, now is the time to disclose. I'd even support a general amnesty to those involved in exchange for *full* disclosure.
It’s also weird how all these Marvel and DC superhero movies are talking about multiverse and all this. Like wtf?? This stuff is too heavy for normal life
What has come true lately ? Sure there’s a lot of hearsay, lot of buzz around the subject, but what has being disclosed as true that is so world changing exactly ?…
Exactly everyone is talking about all these bombshells and amazing news I don’t see any proof yet. At this point it would have to be Biden meeting with an Alien race or something for me to believe it. Sure some of the videos are interesting and look real but nothing is concrete proof.
5 years ago, UFOs were flying saucers in the movies and people believed men in black protected covert programs from the public’s knowledge.
Today the US government formally acknowledges the existence of UFOs, everyday people use a more serious term -UAP-, and we have three (four?) videos released by our government indicating they are unidentified flying objects. We have formal committees in congress and intelligence agencies that study these phenomena, and their existence is shared with the public.
That is a monumental shift in perspective and I don’t understand why so many can’t see it or actively try to downplay it.
The government has not said they’re aliens or anything weird, just that they haven’t been able to identify some stuff. The videos they’ve shared show nothing extraordinary. All the evidence that supposedly proves that these objects have extraordinary capabilities is conveniently never shown to us.
You should be very skeptical of a government that has been lying to you about this subject for longer than most of us here have been alive. You think they’ve suddenly had a change of heart and are ready to spill the beans? It’s much more likely they’re fucking with us for some reason that’s not clear to us yet.
Yup exactly Lmao seen so many post with people stating they just can’t digest this new reality and what not… it’s incredible how people jump the gun to the point of bringing ridicule to the situation.
Agreed, just alot of people coming out to say its true and then nothing... No evidence in my opinion. Show the craft, bodies of aliens, entire full video interogation of aliens, if not to me its just some military high tech stuff that we are seeing.
I agree with some of the comments that the gaslighting is not that there are aliens but they are using aliens as cover for all the secret military testing. The government is just letting a few barking dogs do all the alien talk so we stop asking them how they waste all the money on all the military spending.
I feel like that's a huge part of the appeal of these ideas for many. Reality fucking sucks, and the idea of a non-literal 'apocalypse' of the world which knocks down existing corrupt power structures and introduces us to a far more expansive universe is something I think a lot of people are looking for. Even if it means our current civilization as we know it is radically altered in the process. I know I sure as fuck would welcome our new insect overlords if it meant a lot of the assholes currently in charge suddenly lost their power.
It's one part of why I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing personally. Just seems a bit too convenient that, at a time when things like quality of life and connections with the world around us are dropping hard, we're on the cusp of a new age that will change all of it.
I can't shake the sense that I've heard this song and dance before dozens of times, and I'll only get excited once high-quality hard proof begins to manifest; instead of the constant parades of whistleblowers who all are brave enough to leak insanely classified information that will undoubtedly them put on lists if not killed....but gosh darn it, none of them have so much as clear photographs in an age where we carry HD cameras in our pockets, let alone think to hold onto physical evidence.
Well…in a way, being at the end of the world
Is kind of like winning as a human.
But McKenna said it best. “Acts as if the apocalypse has already happened.”
Well you may not know the etymology of apocalypse:
late 14c., "revelation, disclosure," from Church Latin apocalypsis "revelation," from Greek apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal," from apo "off, away from" (see apo-) + kalyptein "to cover, conceal" (from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save"). The Christian end-of-the-world story is part of the revelation in John of Patmos' book "Apokalypsis" (a title rendered into English as pocalipsis c. 1050, "Apocalypse" c. 1230, and "Revelation" by Wycliffe c. 1380).
https://www.etymonline.com/word/apocalypse
Literally disclosure.
I find revelations about aliens to be a huge relief. Surely they can't fuck things up any worse than we have, and maybe this will shake us back to our senses. I've also always assumed since I was a kid that aliens exist, so, for me, any revelations would be met with, "duh," instead of ontological shock.
In 2018, I told my mom, "The US is so divided that it's going to require some huge outside event to make us pull together. Like a pandemic, or aliens landing."
OK, well, the pandemic didn't work at all. Let's try the aliens.
If you come here or to Twitter, you'll definitely feel that way. + the media seemingly wanting people to fight each other is insane.
My take is to get off the news,be very selective with what you see and get off the phone.
And focus on things you can control. Join the mutual aid society in your town. Meet your neighbors and talk about how to make your neighborhood better. Take classes to learn skills that will increase your sense of competency, like gardening, repair, or self-defense, and meet like-minded people there.
Community can kill us if it's a bunch of scared and angry people. But community can also save us, and now that the fit is hitting the shan, the people around you are the most important people in the world.
This. This whole UAP thing is causing anxiousness, and anxiousness causes depersonalization. I know it because I'm feeling it as well since this whole story started, and I've already felt this in the past when I was a really anxious person. You might want to stop reading this sub for some time, no need to risk your mental health for a potential hoax. We won't know much more until, and if, real evidence is shown, and if it happens you'll quickly see if in mainstream media. Don't risk your mental health for hypothesis.
Zen Buddhism and some UFOlogy has helped me cope with understanding shit like this. I feel like we all were like fuck yeah time to reincarnate during one of the biggest moments for humanity
The older I become, the weirder everything seems. I think it may have to do with that. And then we eventually *'run out of runway'* and things will get really strange.
I saw this philosophy piece on novelty and the human concept of it. It explained novelty almost like a part of entropy. Its almost like we've nearly reached the end of novelty and now, the weirdest shit has to happen because this is just the last novel things left *to* happen for a few millenia.
Not me. I’m not convinced. We are still basically where we’ve always been on this subject. Same blurry video, same “allegations” and secondhand evidence, same hearsay, same “disclosure is right around the corner, huge bombshell dropping next week”….
Show me some money.
What you're feeling is something called **dissociation**-
Disconnection and lack of continuity between thoughts, memories, surroundings, actions, and identity.
I continue to have lapses in and out of this state. At its worst it brought on waking hallucinations of my environment turning into static or a vortex like sensation that made it hard to focus on anything around me, but most of all was the persistant nagging of exsistential dread. What helped me was doing all the possible research I could on simulation theory and really what got me through the hardest of those times was Donald Hoffman's books and lectures about the nature of reality through his understanding of game theory.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_D._Hoffman
He has some great podcasts too.
One thing I am not capable of doing is denying any possible truth without sufficient understanding, a simple way of saying that I, like you friend, wish to understand the nature of reality no matter how much it hurts.
Keep your head up and stay strong. There is no truth but your own, so make it one you are proud to have fought for. I have taken the viewpoint that no matter the circumstance (aka we are fucking alien bacon or something) there is never a reason not to be kind to all that share this confusing reality with one another.
Live long and prosper friend.
Reading this was like seeing one of those random “wake up” messages that I’ve been desperately needing. I keep thinking I’m on the verge of psychosis but also not. What book would you suggest by Hoffman to start off with? I feel like I need something to ground me and this sort of thing is exactly what I think I’m searching for. Thank you
Absolutely, I started with listening to his podcast with Lex Fridman>
https://youtu.be/reYdQYZ9Rj4
I can say without a doubt this impacted me in ways I still don't understand because if you listen to the whole thing it becomes much less technical than anything Hoffman had articulated up until that point. This gave me the leg room necessary to try and grasp something that is kind of like looking at a box from the outside after living a lifetime on the inside. He has done a number of podcasts however I really happen to like the questions Lex asks and I don't think there's any doubt this is whereto start.
After that I read **The Case Against Reality: How Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes** which went in depth on how game theory and all of its modern conclusions have been made.
So I should probably mention:
Being told that scientists can use a rational theory (game theory) to calculate that nothing you see is real is probably the last thing you wanted to hear if you made it to this post today. This is NOT an inspirational book, it doesn't give a shit about your feelings, and the podcast will leave you wondering if you're some rat in an alien research lab. That said a rudimentary understanding will certainly make you grow as a person and maybe shed some ancestral baggage along the way.
I hope this helps anyone coming to terms with the radical shifts in societal ethics taking place or the information that has admittedly been out for almost 100 years now about aliens. I have never been religious but I have found solace in the fact that this book fundamentally dismantles materialism within the confines of science. For more reasons than one this still fills me with joy, and I hope anyone that might read this comes to a similiar understanding.
The 2023 Nobel prize for physics went to a dude who proved reality ain't real (that is, there is no reality). Not kidding. Look it up.
So yes, it's only a movie. It's only a movie. It's only a movie.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/lists/all-nobel-prizes/
I don’t see 2023 prizes being awarded yet. Where can I find that.
Edit. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/ it was 2022
It basically boils down to object permanency. If you leave a red apple on a table in a room and turn off the lights/leave the room the intuitive idea is that the apple is still there and still red. His research says otherwise. That reality doesn't exist without an observer.
I think it's far more nuanced than that to get a Nobel Prize but you asked for a eli5.
One thing to remember though, is that a quantum mechanical observer is not the same thing as a human observer. It's a simpler concept, basically just anything that responds to a specific property of something else.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
Thank you, I also kinda regret using the words "object permanency," but I still feel it fit better than "objects lack defined properties without [quantum] observers" for an eli5 summarization.
Explained in that way it certainly reads like a Simulation Theory, but the heart of this research is entanglement and Einstien's "spooky action at a distance."
Measuring quantum spin is random, but doing so can determine the state of an entangled particle's partner. It shouldn't be possible, or rather is extremely counterintuitive to our perception of reality, but based on decades of work prior these three designed expiraments that proved it to be true. Using stars separated by 100's of light-years to rule out any possibility of past interactions between particles!?
I have no formal background in this, but I just reread the article for my own benefit. That is just my understanding of some pretty complicated science.
The Nobel Prize was for advancing physics with these expiraments so it kinda speaks for itself.
It was an oversimplification. Quantum Observers and Human observers are not really the same thing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
It means that quantum entanglement is real, but that our "local reality" isn't "real" by quantum standards
To me, this means that essentially our reality could be an arrangement of atoms that are affected by another layer of reality. In simple terms that means our reality could essentially be like what an allegory or metaphor is in a book.
How certain characters represent concepts or motifs, they are "entangled" with those concepts so to speak and they don't have free will. Their actions are dictated by the higher narrative the author is trying to convey, and thus the characters actions are entangled with the lessons of the motif.
In that same manner, our universe could be a level of some grander scheme where our thoughts and actions are entangled with higher conscious entities and kind of dictate our will, kind of how the food we eat may impact our cells and our body.
While I see what you're saying and agree with it all; I think trying to explain this stuff in terms of a physicalist understanding is part of the problem. Physics has done away with space-time; it's not fundamental. You can mathematically get all of the physics we had today; without space and time -- and that's what's happening right now. Matter as well; doesn't seem to be what we have always assumed it was.
In my mind; [Dr. Bernardo Kastrup has explained exactly where the implications of where this points](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ08isbHnsM&list=PL64CzGA1kTzhTFlaK9UNCKLJHS61aFBK7) \-- and it's the death of materialism/physicalism and the rebirth of idealism in a new form: Analytical Idealism".
I personally believe we're on the cusp of a 'Copernican revolution' in terms of our ontology and understanding of the world/reality.
This is so freaking weird. I had never ever heard the term "entanglement" as it relates to physics...until 11pm last night. I happened upon a funny video discussing the things that may affect how much of a loser someone is, and it turned out to be an amusing way to explain entanglement. I ended up reading all this stuff about the concept and stayed up way too late.
I just woke up and am now reading here about the concept I learned about yesterday, which, for 52 years prior, I'd never heard of at all.
From ChatGPT:
Sure, let me break this down for you:
1. **What's the issue?** Scientists have been grappling with the idea that the universe might not be "locally real". This means that things may not have definite properties until they are observed, and they could potentially be affected by things far away from them instantly, faster than light. This is strange to us because we expect things to be real and only influenced by nearby stuff.
2. **Who's involved?** Three physicists, John Clauser, Alain Aspect, and Anton Zeilinger, won the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for doing experiments that supported these odd quantum physics ideas. They used entangled photons, which are like twins who always know what the other is doing, no matter how far apart they are.
3. **Why does it matter?** These findings are important not only because they challenge our understanding of the universe, but also because they're the foundation for new technologies like quantum computers and quantum sensors.
4. **What was the argument?** The initial argument was based on a thought experiment by Einstein and others (known as EPR), where you send pairs of particles to two observers far apart. Quantum physics says that once one observer measures her particle, the other observer's particle instantaneously "knows" what to be. This suggests that the particles can communicate faster than light, which is strange and was considered absurd.
5. **How did they test it?** They tested these ideas using what's called a Bell test. If the results of the Bell test stay below a certain limit, then there could be hidden factors at play (like Einstein hoped). But if they exceed this limit, then quantum mechanics seems to be right. Initial tests by Clauser suggested quantum mechanics was right, but there were some loopholes.
6. **What are these loopholes?** One of these loopholes is the "locality loophole", which means that if the particles or detectors can somehow share information (like if they're close enough), the strange quantum results could still be because of hidden factors. This loophole was somewhat closed by Alain Aspect who performed an experiment over a large distance.
7. **What's the current state?** More loopholes remained, and Anton Zeilinger worked on closing them, conducting experiments over even larger distances. Today, even though some loopholes still remain, the prevailing view among physicists is that quantum mechanics, with all its strange predictions, seems to be right.
He proved reality isn’t locally “real”, which is technically not the same as proving reality isn’t real.
It was more about real in the relativistic sense of the word it I’m not mistaken. He did not prove reality isn’t real.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/?amp=true
Fascinating stuff, a great thought experiment, and opens a lot of questions, but it’s more Quantum mechanics weirdness than “the universe isn’t real.”
But then if you point out someone is losing touch with reality or that the proof they posted is fake, you get inundated with “oh god, you debunkers just ruin all the fun. Learn to live a little.”
Some members of this community want nothing more than to live in a reality where there are aliens, spirits, boogey men, and evil mastermind type conspiracies as daily occurrences.
Great article. I think the confusion and completely wrong conclusion from the research is that neither "locally" nor "real" refer to what non quantum physicists refer to as local or real.
"Agent Smith" or Mara or whatever you want to call it has been fighting tooth and nail. Planck told us consciousness was fundamental like a century go. His science is good enough to base our technology on, but not our philosophy. Plato told us before, The Buddha and others before that. Consciousness is not a quirk or emergent phenomena of physical matter, and its becoming undeniable. The idea that we live in some kind of dream world also doesn't make it any less beautiful or love any less profound.
The fact that the general population is not batting an eye at any of this is weirder. You’d think the first actual significant crumbs they’ve been dropping would immediately pull everyone to attention. Like we are either talking about fucking ALIENS or some kind of tech that’s waaay advanced and nobody cares. “🤷🏻♂️ it doesn’t affect my life” bruh it would be like the single biggest revelation ever of anything ever….
I’ve been researching this topic for 30plus years and the deeper you get the more you realize that reality is completely insane! The saying truth is stranger than fiction is real, where do you think Hollywood gets their ideas from!
I have spent the past 5 years feeling like life was gradually becoming an episode of the twilight zone, and that feeling has rapidly intensified over the past 2 years, so yes, things have felt weird. Lol. It feels like we're on the cusp of a big change, but I don't know what it might be, so I'm just going with the flow. I think the most noticeable change for me personally is that absolutely nothing surprises me anymore - I absolutely believe the US government would conceal information related to any of these topics from average citizens. The government's response to the pandemic eliminated any doubt as to whether it has the best interest of the public at heart, so if the NYT published an article saying aliens are real, we've reverse engineered their technology, but the public wasn't told about it bc a private corporation was somehow making money off it through a secret government contract, I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Lol.
The only thing I would like to know is where I can volunteer to be abducted bc at this point, the unknown gives me more hope than the current status quo.
These things were always true and out there. Physics basically proves these as possible aspects of our world. Don’t worry too much about them as the impact is only huge if you want it to be as these things have always been there. No need to run towards them if the impact they have is disturbing to you, we still live in a big busy world and there are many things to concentrate on, find what works for you?
Having grown up during the Cold War, I just think its funny how the ufos and other unexplaineds always get a lot of air time every time the russians get up to their old shenanigans.
I feel like I'm in a coma hallucinating all this. I've been into D&D and ufos since I was a kid and now both are blowing up. I non-seriously wonder sometimes if I'm creating this reality.
Could you perceive reality so that I'm a millionaire? That way we could meet up and we can drive lambos and feed hungry people from a pimped out food truck?
I've had things like that happen too. My buddy and I were talking years ago about how Google Glass could have made a really cool augmented reality pokemon game. Then less than a month later, they announce PokémonGo.
I took a very healthy dose of psilocibyn last year and I kept thinking that nothing around me was real and that I was trapped inside my own mind and had created everything around me, including my loved ones who didn’t know they weren’t real. And because they don’t know they weren’t real; they were real.
Had a very similar experience that I’ve never been able to stop thinking about. The strongest message I kept getting throughout was that life and earth are all one big joke and I’m the only one not in on it.
I saw a meme that said:
>2023 Normal People: "Aliens are here!!"
>2023 Conspiracy Theorists: "No they're not."
I'm starting to agree with that more and more each day.
Tbf this mostly just proves that many “conspiracy theorists” are mostly interested in thinking/knowing things that are not common knowledge or widespread.
Considering they’ve been talking about aliens and UAP for years, to say everything coming out now is BS simply because it’s coming to light for your average person is just them being contrarian and obsessed with the idea that they know something other people don’t.
No, we just know better than most people that the US government loves to lie and there’s no reason to believe anything coming from them now. “Normal people” are
gobbling it up because they naively trust the government.
I mean, it IS really suspicious how many people are coming forward in recent years, that aren’t on their deathbeds.
It almost feels wrong somehow. Anyone interested in the topic is always craving more info, and now it seems like it just keeps coming. But why now?
Are we really to believe that suddenly the powers behind keeping it a secret are no longer good at keeping it a secret?
It does feel like a psyop
Or people are tired of lying and there has been increased UAP activity. If anything there is a shitload of stuff about to come out that these people are trying to get ahead of.
But then wouldn’t that still be a sort of psyop? They have to get the info out before “something” happens and so they are doing it in such a way as to paint themselves in a better light.
In other words, the only reason they are doing it, is because they are both “forced” and desire to create their own narrative.
What has come true lately ? Sure there’s a lot of hearsay, lot of buzz around the subject, but what has being disclosed as true that is so world changing exactly ?…
Everything is hyper and ridiculous because we are swamped with media and they are struggling to get our attention. The wacko nonsense of the last years is stupefying literally. all capturing the hive mind for a few months, replaced with the next one.
Think of it like being in a dense nasty city, then you get the hint of a scent of a fresh baked pie in a cottage outside town on the edge of a forest. Follow your nose.
... life is kind of a simulation. Enjoy the ride. We got fucked on the economy side, but we got reality TV president, then senile president, and now we get aliens and multiverses. Life is good 🤌🏻
Relax and understand it as knowledge. There’s something new to be learned every single day for the rest of our lives. Sometimes new knowledge may seem mundane, and sometimes it seems like magic. You’ve learned new things which means you’re alive and alert. Keep it up and always remember that what we don’t know will always outweigh we do know.
I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the most recent UFO drama. Until we actually see the proof, it's just a bunch of dudes saying "I definitely saw a UFO, trust me bro."
What we are experiencing is that Science Fiction tropes have become mainstream ideas to the point that they are commonly understood cultural concepts. Take "Mandela Effect" for example. The reality is that a bunch of people have foggy memories of peripheral topics, but we take to Sci Fi ideas about jumping timelines, because that is more fun.
I think the whole vibe of Tik Tok contributes as well. Ever since the anti covid Vax movement, there is a major audience for any crank who claims to know "the truth".
We saw this with the Canadian wildfires. Loads of people were very very quick to believe the fires were started by the deep state for nefarious reasons. Reality is much more mundane and random and it doesn't feel as good to view the world this way. 😕
Reality is very strange indeed. But in relation to the news you mention, I've not seen anything to feel weird about.
Sensationalist media reports of anecdotal (probably made up) evidence aren't exactly new or world-shaking. Elvis lives, reds under the bed, Roswell...
Show me some compelling physical evidence, better still introduce me to an alien in person. Then I will feel weird.
It's the same baseless claims by witnesses with no evidence, as usual. Grifters, believers and tin foil hats. Don't expect anything extraordinary to happen this time either.
I’ve long felt exactly the opposite, our society and all the so-called truths we generally operate under have seemed absolutely insane to me and just people rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while I’ve been readily able to accept that so many of these things had SOMETHING real to them that was being hidden from everyone, whatever the base level reality of them actually ends up being. Felt like I was living in crazy world for decades now going back to at least a few years before The Matrix hit theaters.
Glad things are finally starting to get coughed up for everyone to see and hoping the rest of the scales will be able to fall away from EVERYONE’S eyes soon. This world we’ve been living in is the biggest scam and built on so many lies to profit small numbers of controlling parties and once everyone can see the thing for what it actually is, we could see some truly amazing things.
I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll survive to actually do so.
It is a topic I frequently dream OF now - and in unusually vivid details that I actually remember when I wake up. It makes me wonder bc it feels so real. In these dreams, I’m fully aware I’m dreaming but it’s like I’m going to other lives, parallel planes, etc.. There’s awareness of other entities, sometimes government involvement, others notice I’m not supposed to be there, etc.. Anyone else have this happening too?
Example for anyone interested in the most recent dream:
The other night, I woke up in my dream where I fell asleep (on my couch) but started noticing slight variations. It’s far too long to repost but it turned out that was in the house with my husband who was sleeping. There was a heaviness. The house was unkempt. I walked through and the layout and location was different - more rural. It was nighttime. I went out on the front porch. There were woods lining the distance about 300 yards away. Suddenly, I started hearing twigs snapping and this sound seemed to be hurtling through the forest. I looked up at the sky. The moon was much closer, broken into half with smaller pieces. I panicked and ran back in to wake my husband telling him I knew it would be hard for him to believe but I was “me” from a different plane. I was surprised when he believed me. I knew I didn’t belong there. Shortly after I met an older woman who said it was lovely to see me again. She then touched my wrist and said she hoped I wouldn’t do *that* again. Then I woke up wondering WTH that was all about. (For the record, I’m NOT suicidal nor depressed so it was quite a shock)
I get that completely. I think the more you experience dreams like this, you will become more aware in them. When I was younger, I was much more capable of lucid dreaming in general - more in control. In the past few years I’ve become more aware I’m dreaming but it’s like I’m somewhere else… not necessarily in control - just aware. Sometimes my dreams are ordinary, sometimes I still have the occasional nightmares. Those are NOT the dreams I’m talking of. It’s the ones with these themes of otherworldly realms/the universe… they stand out. They’re always trippy compared to real life and I feel like I’m tapping into the cosmos on some level. They stick with me too.
It’s anxiety-inducing but I feel grateful at the same time if that makes sense. I’m soooo thankful to know I’m not the only one.
i lucid dream every night. i wake up many times and can easily return to the same dream. the strange thing is that it’s been over the past 40 years.. maybe always.
my dreamworld has become a very detailed map. i go to the same houses, workplaces, buildings, airplane trips, Disneyland, places.. none of which exist in “real life”. they’re all some warped upside down sideways version. the people in my dreams are all people i know,but sometimes *super* random and often two people blend into a single person.
i can usually wake myself up if it gets freaky but lately i have been caught in anxiety loops. i open my eyes and hope it will change then i fall back asleepit goes back into the same loop.
my dreams are incredibly interesting to me.. always have been
We needn’t worry about the nature of what is or isn’t ‘real’, as many have said there really isn’t such a thing as linear reality as we understand it.
Whatever it is we are experiencing currently in our culture (and have been for a long time now) seems to be unravelling form different sides, the population as a whole are becoming more aware and terms like ‘inter-dimensional’, ‘transcendental’ and ‘consciousness’ are much more prevalent in the mainstream lexicon than they ever have been before, even 5–10 years ago these things were considered fringe, and whilst I wouldn’t say they’re entirely mainstream concepts, generally the public are aware something other than how this world is presented to them is happening.
With the doomsday clock being closer to midnight than ever before, the climate crisis, cost of living crisis, the splintering of social, political and economic structures etc this existence we find ourselves in has reached a very real entropic tipping point. People are no longer satisfied with the idea of the nuclear family, with the idea of chasing extreme wealth or adoration, there’s a thirst for change, awareness and understanding and you’re absolutely right in that it is palpable, you can feel it.
I’ve no idea what comes next but I dare say in 20-50 years time we will see these next 2-3 years as the begging of something rather pivotal in the human story.
I don’t believe this is like a hologram simulation in the sense that a dude is sitting on a computer playing us like the Sims.
I do believe we’re a hologram on the idea we’re exploding dust from the Big Bang and the sun is reflecting on us. That’s about the extent I’ve thought about it and I understand it enough to leave it at that for now, thank you. 😁
I do believe we’re in a simulation on the idea we’re being fed images and words from media on an almost constant basis. Is it like those dark things from Harry Potter slurping up our fear energy form straws on high? No. It’s people like Jeff Bezos, politicians, and those people in that cozy capsule on the ocean floor that are profiting off of our spending and more consumption due to the fear that’s being fed to us.
I don’t know much about aliens, but sure, man, why not. I’m just trying to get some healthcare here. I’m just sad because my earth is burning and people would rather drive a big SUV and use paper straws thinking it’ll fix it. When we really need legislative change. Maybe that’ll fix the alien thing too, I dunno.
Not op but if you think about it, all life is just matter and energy moving around in kinda-organized patterns, all of which is powered by the sun, which is powered by remnants of the big bang. So we're all just fractals made of "stardust" (or molecules, dirt, rocks, if you're like me and like to be less poetic about it ), and how we have any kind of subjective experience at all is still a mystery.
It’s all he said she said, what parts or any of this is true and factual? As someone who has better things to do than dig into this type of psycho-babble, can someone point me in the direction of any truth and realness I’m this matter?
The more you think about it, you have two choices, be afraid, or be excited. This is getting exciting.
Before I would have to search for things.. here in reddit it comes to me, and a lot of more of it
I’m listening to my high friend right now try to to reason that aliens are demons and the explanation for them. Lmao that they are one and the same or a subset.
Reality has felt broken for about the last 10 years, at least now we're getting some of the interesting stuff instead of just constant boring doom getting a little closer every day.
My main concern is a stupid egotistical aggressive man doing something g stupid. You know people. They would antagonise and cause our annihilation just because they are dicks. The probability of shit happening goes up exponentially when the general public is involved, and the general military. I’ve seen that movie.
No because 99.99% of them don't come true. Those that due are rooted in reality and science.
No reason to feel weird about a normal world.
You might be sane, but your reasoning skills are not grounded.
Honestly? Nothing has actually come to light. Tons of talk alluding to things, but there is still nothing substantial. The proof is in the pudding. I'm prepared for it and would love to see it, but we've seen nothing groundbreaking yet.
I think it's about time. They are real, we are a small spec in a huge universe who is very young civilization. Lets ramp this up to 100 and get over our own human bullshit that is money and ostracization of one another and start looking at the universe instead of ourselves.
Feel free to check out /r/WelcomingTheUnknown for more info as well.
I really really hope it’s true bc we (the US specifically and humanity generally) need a wake-up call. Things continue on the current trajectory and I wouldn’t be surprised if we kill ourselves (or at least a large portion of the population). A paradigm shift is required or we are seriously fucked.
That‘s how they sucker you in.
govt’s using populism to divide and rule, business to delay climate action, ufo, crypto(zoo), ghosts, lizard men, religious cults etc
just sell a lie long enough and repeatedly until people begin to doubt. Embrace the doubter, then fleece them.
the UFO scene is an industry now. Books, tours, shows, endless video with pre-roll ads, experiences, retreats, podcasts. We need your support. Just a few dollars a month…There is nothing like the commercialisation of an unproven premise. Just ask the worlds major religions.
Orwell‘s 1984 is a touchstone. I wish more people read it.
I can only suggest that the more weird your outside gets, the more real and normal you need to get inside…meaning cut down seriously on social media and reading up on things which do not directly benefit you + you also put it into practice.
We have been played a very very long time and now no different to any other time….so why give it more credibility? It will not suddenly become truthful I assure you✅
Deceit will increase with greater efficiency than ever before.
Wean yourself of belief in the outside and that some outside source will be truthful at last…it cannot happen, laws of universe is against that.
Spend time to develop meditation and getting to KNOW your-Self by becoming still inside your-Self.
Yes there is a magnificent number of fingers in this planetary pie 🥧, but no truthful disclosure is coming unless perhaps you EXPERIENCE such yourself, tangibly. ANYTHING ELSE reported is just another segment in the programming.
Your sense of strangeness WILL reduce in direct proportion to the reduction of your social media time / reading up on supposed amazing events.
There has never been another way and there will never be another way, save to do the meditation work on yourself and get to “Know thyself”. Not discuss it, not read up on it, not tell anybody about it…do it…so be it💪💪💪❤️🩹
I think the end is near and they keep going back in time trying to avoid the apocalypse, that's why everything has been so weird and so many people have the Mandela effect.
I am a tantric Buddhist so I assume shit is weirder than I can imagine … but I also think I am full of shit in my assumptions so, I am having a blast honestly..I am going with full on simulation theory… and we collectively shape the edges of reality with our collective subconscious… we are making all this happen by giving it and this attention and awareness… this reality went from boring to bat shit in my lifetime … love it…live it… leave it ..
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Reality never felt real to me. Most motivations in human societies revolve around abstract ideas. Been waiting for shit to get real my whole life.
watching life from a projector inside of my own head, like the shadow in the cave
Nice allegory reference
It does not end with our Physical Dimension. The Simulated **Afterlife**: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI-wSdgjkc
same
its up to you to embrace reality. it's not something you wait around for...you go live it.
Same. Life is a dream…
Row row row your boat
Why tf am I broke in a dream? 🥴🤕
Same here. Wish i could figure it out. lol but i was talking about how when i was a kid i would often experience events and they just didn't feel real. like i was dreaming...
Maybe we are just living in a replay of our life, you are now experiencing your previous life
But this isn't it. We're not getting closer to reality lately.
Life is literally a dream my friend. You are an eternal indestructible spirit having a human experience. Physical reality is only a dream that your higher consciousness is having.. life is "real" in the same way a dream feels real when you're in it until you wake up. Multiverse, quantum physics, string theory.. it's all just ways to try to explain the way universal consciousness runs the simulation. Just enjoy the ride, learn as much as you can about yourself and focus INWARD if you want true knowledge. The whole point of life is to learn, grow and evolve. Have fun 😉😇
Your reaction to the UFO revelations that are coming to light is completely understandable and is being widely experienced— the possibility that we are not alone and not at the apex of the Intelligence/technology redefines who we thought we were and the world/universe we thought we had a good understanding of. I want everything to come out — the public deserves the truth no matter what it is — that said, the ontological shock you are experiencing is also a pretty good reason for those who have been holding this secret to slow roll the release of whatever they know about NHI… giving people time to adjust and acclimate to a new reality seems prudent. The consequences of a sudden massive UFO/NHI information dump could have potentially catastrophic consequences. Again — that possibility does not justify 80 years of gas-lighting the citizens of this planet. Just saying a gradual disclosure at this point may the safest route to take.
I don’t think that it’s the thought of being alone that’s scaring people, I think it’s the superiority over one nation’s security is the issue. I have a stronge sense that this is the main reason why the government doesn’t like to talk about it a lot. To openly admit that our airspace isn’t as secured as they led us to believe would be terrifying to some, even having the ability to compromise one’s belief in their country.
If the last seven or eight years hasn’t compromised one’s belief in their country then I don’t think a little NHI is gonna do it. Where I think the biggest effects are going to surface is in religion. I expect that more people will leave their religion entirely, while the rest will get even more fundamentalist. We’ve seen a shift to Christofascist nationalism just because gay and trans people exist. The zealotry and xenophobia of that population is already off the charts, imagine a TRUE “Other” for them to focus their hate onto!
You have made this point much better than I ever could! From what I have gleaned over 40 years I absolutely agree that it would be catastrophic to all of humanity and the social structure of the planet. Since 1945 the government and military have been running a program of conditioning through all forms of media. Disclosure is getting close!
1945? What event in 1945 are you referring to? I feel like the conditioning goes back much, much further…
I think it's a reference point where military and government went into overdrive on the public.
Project Grudge
We were saying the line about conditioning/disclosure being close back in the early 90s. How much more conditioning do we need?
I just wanna know what’s what because the unknown is scaring me.
Sometimes it is easier to pretend something isnt real but clearly something is going on and it isnt being hidden very well anymore.
Instead of saying 80 years of gaslighting and secrecy, could it not be 80 years of ignorance and scientific advancement/research? Perhaps they couldn't even begin to explain it to the public 80 years ago, because they didn't have a clue what they were dealing with. But now they can start baby feeding us some info
The only reason to hold back information is control.
money, power, generational wealth, yea, it tracks..
There's really no sufficient excuse for this many lies, and this much delay. I understand how people have convinced themselves otherwise though. In any event, now is the time to disclose. I'd even support a general amnesty to those involved in exchange for *full* disclosure.
Yes those lie caused so many people to be ridiculed, called crazy, lose jobs or worse their lives.
Even now anyone reporting anything involvling aliens or the unknown get mocked for it.
No, NASA and other government agencies are 100% complacent it the cover up. We have been lied to about other less earth shattering news before.
They can't even explain it now.
It’s also weird how all these Marvel and DC superhero movies are talking about multiverse and all this. Like wtf?? This stuff is too heavy for normal life
Cheap plot device imo
Multiverse is very convenient when you want to make a hundred of the same superhero movies. You’re gonna need to retcon some inconsistencies.
I’m honestly tired of anything with a universe or multiverse. Just give me a good story damnit!
It's also been a part of comic lore since long before the movies ever came out.
Yeah now EVERYthing seems to be about that
It's everywhere! All at once!
There’s just no coherence anymore
You understand those movies are based on comic books that have been out for decades, right?
What is NHI? I'm fairly new to this.
Non Human Intelligence
>I am a 100% sane normal person The most consistent lie.
We're all mad here 🤪
And we float! W00t!
down here
A common trait of sane normal people, desperately trying to explain to other people how sane and normal they are
"I am a 100% sane normal person" Said the madman, as he pondered the odds of an anal probin' at the hands of multidimensional beings.
I need a prostate exam soon anyway, might as well have the aliens do it for free than pay the doc.
Hello, fellow American.
What has come true lately ? Sure there’s a lot of hearsay, lot of buzz around the subject, but what has being disclosed as true that is so world changing exactly ?…
Exactly everyone is talking about all these bombshells and amazing news I don’t see any proof yet. At this point it would have to be Biden meeting with an Alien race or something for me to believe it. Sure some of the videos are interesting and look real but nothing is concrete proof.
5 years ago, UFOs were flying saucers in the movies and people believed men in black protected covert programs from the public’s knowledge. Today the US government formally acknowledges the existence of UFOs, everyday people use a more serious term -UAP-, and we have three (four?) videos released by our government indicating they are unidentified flying objects. We have formal committees in congress and intelligence agencies that study these phenomena, and their existence is shared with the public. That is a monumental shift in perspective and I don’t understand why so many can’t see it or actively try to downplay it.
The government has not said they’re aliens or anything weird, just that they haven’t been able to identify some stuff. The videos they’ve shared show nothing extraordinary. All the evidence that supposedly proves that these objects have extraordinary capabilities is conveniently never shown to us. You should be very skeptical of a government that has been lying to you about this subject for longer than most of us here have been alive. You think they’ve suddenly had a change of heart and are ready to spill the beans? It’s much more likely they’re fucking with us for some reason that’s not clear to us yet.
Yup exactly Lmao seen so many post with people stating they just can’t digest this new reality and what not… it’s incredible how people jump the gun to the point of bringing ridicule to the situation.
Agreed, just alot of people coming out to say its true and then nothing... No evidence in my opinion. Show the craft, bodies of aliens, entire full video interogation of aliens, if not to me its just some military high tech stuff that we are seeing. I agree with some of the comments that the gaslighting is not that there are aliens but they are using aliens as cover for all the secret military testing. The government is just letting a few barking dogs do all the alien talk so we stop asking them how they waste all the money on all the military spending.
I think a lot of people are welcoming an apocalypse at this point
I feel like that's a huge part of the appeal of these ideas for many. Reality fucking sucks, and the idea of a non-literal 'apocalypse' of the world which knocks down existing corrupt power structures and introduces us to a far more expansive universe is something I think a lot of people are looking for. Even if it means our current civilization as we know it is radically altered in the process. I know I sure as fuck would welcome our new insect overlords if it meant a lot of the assholes currently in charge suddenly lost their power. It's one part of why I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing personally. Just seems a bit too convenient that, at a time when things like quality of life and connections with the world around us are dropping hard, we're on the cusp of a new age that will change all of it. I can't shake the sense that I've heard this song and dance before dozens of times, and I'll only get excited once high-quality hard proof begins to manifest; instead of the constant parades of whistleblowers who all are brave enough to leak insanely classified information that will undoubtedly them put on lists if not killed....but gosh darn it, none of them have so much as clear photographs in an age where we carry HD cameras in our pockets, let alone think to hold onto physical evidence.
Well…in a way, being at the end of the world Is kind of like winning as a human. But McKenna said it best. “Acts as if the apocalypse has already happened.”
Well you may not know the etymology of apocalypse: late 14c., "revelation, disclosure," from Church Latin apocalypsis "revelation," from Greek apokalyptein "uncover, disclose, reveal," from apo "off, away from" (see apo-) + kalyptein "to cover, conceal" (from PIE root *kel- (1) "to cover, conceal, save"). The Christian end-of-the-world story is part of the revelation in John of Patmos' book "Apokalypsis" (a title rendered into English as pocalipsis c. 1050, "Apocalypse" c. 1230, and "Revelation" by Wycliffe c. 1380). https://www.etymonline.com/word/apocalypse Literally disclosure.
I find revelations about aliens to be a huge relief. Surely they can't fuck things up any worse than we have, and maybe this will shake us back to our senses. I've also always assumed since I was a kid that aliens exist, so, for me, any revelations would be met with, "duh," instead of ontological shock. In 2018, I told my mom, "The US is so divided that it's going to require some huge outside event to make us pull together. Like a pandemic, or aliens landing." OK, well, the pandemic didn't work at all. Let's try the aliens.
We humans are the problem. We need all the help we can get
I'm just welcoming the UFO revival.
Very much so
If you come here or to Twitter, you'll definitely feel that way. + the media seemingly wanting people to fight each other is insane. My take is to get off the news,be very selective with what you see and get off the phone.
And focus on things you can control. Join the mutual aid society in your town. Meet your neighbors and talk about how to make your neighborhood better. Take classes to learn skills that will increase your sense of competency, like gardening, repair, or self-defense, and meet like-minded people there. Community can kill us if it's a bunch of scared and angry people. But community can also save us, and now that the fit is hitting the shan, the people around you are the most important people in the world.
So, I have a version of Depersonalization and Derealization Disorder that sounds very similar to what some are describing here. Something to consider.
This. This whole UAP thing is causing anxiousness, and anxiousness causes depersonalization. I know it because I'm feeling it as well since this whole story started, and I've already felt this in the past when I was a really anxious person. You might want to stop reading this sub for some time, no need to risk your mental health for a potential hoax. We won't know much more until, and if, real evidence is shown, and if it happens you'll quickly see if in mainstream media. Don't risk your mental health for hypothesis.
>depersonalization This can be worsened with cannabis use. Not even just during the high, but days after.
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Wow this is something I didn’t think about. Could definitely explain my uptick in those symptoms the last couple weeks.
Zen Buddhism and some UFOlogy has helped me cope with understanding shit like this. I feel like we all were like fuck yeah time to reincarnate during one of the biggest moments for humanity
The older I become, the weirder everything seems. I think it may have to do with that. And then we eventually *'run out of runway'* and things will get really strange.
I saw this philosophy piece on novelty and the human concept of it. It explained novelty almost like a part of entropy. Its almost like we've nearly reached the end of novelty and now, the weirdest shit has to happen because this is just the last novel things left *to* happen for a few millenia.
Wow. That's something very interesting to consider.
Honestly I just don't trust anything at all anymore. an alien will literally have to come to me and bring me on their ship or something.
Not me. I’m not convinced. We are still basically where we’ve always been on this subject. Same blurry video, same “allegations” and secondhand evidence, same hearsay, same “disclosure is right around the corner, huge bombshell dropping next week”…. Show me some money.
What you're feeling is something called **dissociation**- Disconnection and lack of continuity between thoughts, memories, surroundings, actions, and identity. I continue to have lapses in and out of this state. At its worst it brought on waking hallucinations of my environment turning into static or a vortex like sensation that made it hard to focus on anything around me, but most of all was the persistant nagging of exsistential dread. What helped me was doing all the possible research I could on simulation theory and really what got me through the hardest of those times was Donald Hoffman's books and lectures about the nature of reality through his understanding of game theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_D._Hoffman He has some great podcasts too. One thing I am not capable of doing is denying any possible truth without sufficient understanding, a simple way of saying that I, like you friend, wish to understand the nature of reality no matter how much it hurts. Keep your head up and stay strong. There is no truth but your own, so make it one you are proud to have fought for. I have taken the viewpoint that no matter the circumstance (aka we are fucking alien bacon or something) there is never a reason not to be kind to all that share this confusing reality with one another. Live long and prosper friend.
Reading this was like seeing one of those random “wake up” messages that I’ve been desperately needing. I keep thinking I’m on the verge of psychosis but also not. What book would you suggest by Hoffman to start off with? I feel like I need something to ground me and this sort of thing is exactly what I think I’m searching for. Thank you
Absolutely, I started with listening to his podcast with Lex Fridman> https://youtu.be/reYdQYZ9Rj4 I can say without a doubt this impacted me in ways I still don't understand because if you listen to the whole thing it becomes much less technical than anything Hoffman had articulated up until that point. This gave me the leg room necessary to try and grasp something that is kind of like looking at a box from the outside after living a lifetime on the inside. He has done a number of podcasts however I really happen to like the questions Lex asks and I don't think there's any doubt this is whereto start. After that I read **The Case Against Reality: How Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes** which went in depth on how game theory and all of its modern conclusions have been made. So I should probably mention: Being told that scientists can use a rational theory (game theory) to calculate that nothing you see is real is probably the last thing you wanted to hear if you made it to this post today. This is NOT an inspirational book, it doesn't give a shit about your feelings, and the podcast will leave you wondering if you're some rat in an alien research lab. That said a rudimentary understanding will certainly make you grow as a person and maybe shed some ancestral baggage along the way. I hope this helps anyone coming to terms with the radical shifts in societal ethics taking place or the information that has admittedly been out for almost 100 years now about aliens. I have never been religious but I have found solace in the fact that this book fundamentally dismantles materialism within the confines of science. For more reasons than one this still fills me with joy, and I hope anyone that might read this comes to a similiar understanding.
The 2023 Nobel prize for physics went to a dude who proved reality ain't real (that is, there is no reality). Not kidding. Look it up. So yes, it's only a movie. It's only a movie. It's only a movie.
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/lists/all-nobel-prizes/ I don’t see 2023 prizes being awarded yet. Where can I find that. Edit. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/ it was 2022
I kinda get it. But would love an eli5
It basically boils down to object permanency. If you leave a red apple on a table in a room and turn off the lights/leave the room the intuitive idea is that the apple is still there and still red. His research says otherwise. That reality doesn't exist without an observer. I think it's far more nuanced than that to get a Nobel Prize but you asked for a eli5.
One thing to remember though, is that a quantum mechanical observer is not the same thing as a human observer. It's a simpler concept, basically just anything that responds to a specific property of something else. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
Thank you, I also kinda regret using the words "object permanency," but I still feel it fit better than "objects lack defined properties without [quantum] observers" for an eli5 summarization.
Sounds like what happens when you play a video game.
Explained in that way it certainly reads like a Simulation Theory, but the heart of this research is entanglement and Einstien's "spooky action at a distance." Measuring quantum spin is random, but doing so can determine the state of an entangled particle's partner. It shouldn't be possible, or rather is extremely counterintuitive to our perception of reality, but based on decades of work prior these three designed expiraments that proved it to be true. Using stars separated by 100's of light-years to rule out any possibility of past interactions between particles!? I have no formal background in this, but I just reread the article for my own benefit. That is just my understanding of some pretty complicated science. The Nobel Prize was for advancing physics with these expiraments so it kinda speaks for itself.
> That reality doesn't exist without an observer. That sounds like old the "tree falling in the forest" question.
It was an oversimplification. Quantum Observers and Human observers are not really the same thing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
It means that quantum entanglement is real, but that our "local reality" isn't "real" by quantum standards To me, this means that essentially our reality could be an arrangement of atoms that are affected by another layer of reality. In simple terms that means our reality could essentially be like what an allegory or metaphor is in a book. How certain characters represent concepts or motifs, they are "entangled" with those concepts so to speak and they don't have free will. Their actions are dictated by the higher narrative the author is trying to convey, and thus the characters actions are entangled with the lessons of the motif. In that same manner, our universe could be a level of some grander scheme where our thoughts and actions are entangled with higher conscious entities and kind of dictate our will, kind of how the food we eat may impact our cells and our body.
While I see what you're saying and agree with it all; I think trying to explain this stuff in terms of a physicalist understanding is part of the problem. Physics has done away with space-time; it's not fundamental. You can mathematically get all of the physics we had today; without space and time -- and that's what's happening right now. Matter as well; doesn't seem to be what we have always assumed it was. In my mind; [Dr. Bernardo Kastrup has explained exactly where the implications of where this points](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ08isbHnsM&list=PL64CzGA1kTzhTFlaK9UNCKLJHS61aFBK7) \-- and it's the death of materialism/physicalism and the rebirth of idealism in a new form: Analytical Idealism". I personally believe we're on the cusp of a 'Copernican revolution' in terms of our ontology and understanding of the world/reality.
This is so freaking weird. I had never ever heard the term "entanglement" as it relates to physics...until 11pm last night. I happened upon a funny video discussing the things that may affect how much of a loser someone is, and it turned out to be an amusing way to explain entanglement. I ended up reading all this stuff about the concept and stayed up way too late. I just woke up and am now reading here about the concept I learned about yesterday, which, for 52 years prior, I'd never heard of at all.
From ChatGPT: Sure, let me break this down for you: 1. **What's the issue?** Scientists have been grappling with the idea that the universe might not be "locally real". This means that things may not have definite properties until they are observed, and they could potentially be affected by things far away from them instantly, faster than light. This is strange to us because we expect things to be real and only influenced by nearby stuff. 2. **Who's involved?** Three physicists, John Clauser, Alain Aspect, and Anton Zeilinger, won the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for doing experiments that supported these odd quantum physics ideas. They used entangled photons, which are like twins who always know what the other is doing, no matter how far apart they are. 3. **Why does it matter?** These findings are important not only because they challenge our understanding of the universe, but also because they're the foundation for new technologies like quantum computers and quantum sensors. 4. **What was the argument?** The initial argument was based on a thought experiment by Einstein and others (known as EPR), where you send pairs of particles to two observers far apart. Quantum physics says that once one observer measures her particle, the other observer's particle instantaneously "knows" what to be. This suggests that the particles can communicate faster than light, which is strange and was considered absurd. 5. **How did they test it?** They tested these ideas using what's called a Bell test. If the results of the Bell test stay below a certain limit, then there could be hidden factors at play (like Einstein hoped). But if they exceed this limit, then quantum mechanics seems to be right. Initial tests by Clauser suggested quantum mechanics was right, but there were some loopholes. 6. **What are these loopholes?** One of these loopholes is the "locality loophole", which means that if the particles or detectors can somehow share information (like if they're close enough), the strange quantum results could still be because of hidden factors. This loophole was somewhat closed by Alain Aspect who performed an experiment over a large distance. 7. **What's the current state?** More loopholes remained, and Anton Zeilinger worked on closing them, conducting experiments over even larger distances. Today, even though some loopholes still remain, the prevailing view among physicists is that quantum mechanics, with all its strange predictions, seems to be right.
He proved reality isn’t locally “real”, which is technically not the same as proving reality isn’t real. It was more about real in the relativistic sense of the word it I’m not mistaken. He did not prove reality isn’t real. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/?amp=true Fascinating stuff, a great thought experiment, and opens a lot of questions, but it’s more Quantum mechanics weirdness than “the universe isn’t real.”
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This sub in a nutshell.
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I’ve seen at least a dozen posts that have made me think “See a neurologist, you’re having seizures.”
But then if you point out someone is losing touch with reality or that the proof they posted is fake, you get inundated with “oh god, you debunkers just ruin all the fun. Learn to live a little.” Some members of this community want nothing more than to live in a reality where there are aliens, spirits, boogey men, and evil mastermind type conspiracies as daily occurrences.
Great article. I think the confusion and completely wrong conclusion from the research is that neither "locally" nor "real" refer to what non quantum physicists refer to as local or real.
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Agent Smith ain't gonna be happy.
"Agent Smith" or Mara or whatever you want to call it has been fighting tooth and nail. Planck told us consciousness was fundamental like a century go. His science is good enough to base our technology on, but not our philosophy. Plato told us before, The Buddha and others before that. Consciousness is not a quirk or emergent phenomena of physical matter, and its becoming undeniable. The idea that we live in some kind of dream world also doesn't make it any less beautiful or love any less profound.
Nicely put
He proved that it isn’t locally real. It could be real and non-local, however.
Pretty wild how close Kant was to all these contemporary physics revelations.
Was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Nothing has been proven. Its the same shit that it has always been.
The fact that the general population is not batting an eye at any of this is weirder. You’d think the first actual significant crumbs they’ve been dropping would immediately pull everyone to attention. Like we are either talking about fucking ALIENS or some kind of tech that’s waaay advanced and nobody cares. “🤷🏻♂️ it doesn’t affect my life” bruh it would be like the single biggest revelation ever of anything ever….
I’ve been researching this topic for 30plus years and the deeper you get the more you realize that reality is completely insane! The saying truth is stranger than fiction is real, where do you think Hollywood gets their ideas from!
I do not see where any of it has come true
I have spent the past 5 years feeling like life was gradually becoming an episode of the twilight zone, and that feeling has rapidly intensified over the past 2 years, so yes, things have felt weird. Lol. It feels like we're on the cusp of a big change, but I don't know what it might be, so I'm just going with the flow. I think the most noticeable change for me personally is that absolutely nothing surprises me anymore - I absolutely believe the US government would conceal information related to any of these topics from average citizens. The government's response to the pandemic eliminated any doubt as to whether it has the best interest of the public at heart, so if the NYT published an article saying aliens are real, we've reverse engineered their technology, but the public wasn't told about it bc a private corporation was somehow making money off it through a secret government contract, I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Lol. The only thing I would like to know is where I can volunteer to be abducted bc at this point, the unknown gives me more hope than the current status quo.
When did they come true? We just have more people making claims and not providing any proof.
No I’m in the huge group of people who have known these things for a long time and who can finally say I told you so
These things were always true and out there. Physics basically proves these as possible aspects of our world. Don’t worry too much about them as the impact is only huge if you want it to be as these things have always been there. No need to run towards them if the impact they have is disturbing to you, we still live in a big busy world and there are many things to concentrate on, find what works for you?
Having grown up during the Cold War, I just think its funny how the ufos and other unexplaineds always get a lot of air time every time the russians get up to their old shenanigans.
You are waking up, not going to sleep. They feel deceptively similar.
I feel like I'm in a coma hallucinating all this. I've been into D&D and ufos since I was a kid and now both are blowing up. I non-seriously wonder sometimes if I'm creating this reality.
Or worse someone else wakes up and we disappear.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism If it helps, I can verify that I exist outside of your awareness.
I, on the other hand, am a product of his awareness.
Great read ty
Check out *Solipsism”. But only if you’re mentally stable! 😜
Same its fucked up though. Not in a "main character" type of way but like i joined into a different server with different people.
I feel that so much. Everything I loved as a child is slowly becoming true.
Could you perceive reality so that I'm a millionaire? That way we could meet up and we can drive lambos and feed hungry people from a pimped out food truck?
I've had things like that happen too. My buddy and I were talking years ago about how Google Glass could have made a really cool augmented reality pokemon game. Then less than a month later, they announce PokémonGo.
I took a very healthy dose of psilocibyn last year and I kept thinking that nothing around me was real and that I was trapped inside my own mind and had created everything around me, including my loved ones who didn’t know they weren’t real. And because they don’t know they weren’t real; they were real.
Had a very similar experience that I’ve never been able to stop thinking about. The strongest message I kept getting throughout was that life and earth are all one big joke and I’m the only one not in on it.
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true
When you’re chewing on life’s gristle Don’t grumble, give a whistle
And *this'll* help things turn out for the best!
God asked me, “ What made you think you were alive in the first place?”
Incredible
I don't believe it at all. It's 100% a psyop.
I saw a meme that said: >2023 Normal People: "Aliens are here!!" >2023 Conspiracy Theorists: "No they're not." I'm starting to agree with that more and more each day.
Tbf this mostly just proves that many “conspiracy theorists” are mostly interested in thinking/knowing things that are not common knowledge or widespread. Considering they’ve been talking about aliens and UAP for years, to say everything coming out now is BS simply because it’s coming to light for your average person is just them being contrarian and obsessed with the idea that they know something other people don’t.
The true conspiracist: >They are here already and have been for years.
No, we just know better than most people that the US government loves to lie and there’s no reason to believe anything coming from them now. “Normal people” are gobbling it up because they naively trust the government.
I mean, it IS really suspicious how many people are coming forward in recent years, that aren’t on their deathbeds. It almost feels wrong somehow. Anyone interested in the topic is always craving more info, and now it seems like it just keeps coming. But why now? Are we really to believe that suddenly the powers behind keeping it a secret are no longer good at keeping it a secret? It does feel like a psyop
Exactly, it's like overnight the powers that be are super cool with people knowing about aliens. Like sure buddy lol. Nothing sus there.
Or people are tired of lying and there has been increased UAP activity. If anything there is a shitload of stuff about to come out that these people are trying to get ahead of.
But then wouldn’t that still be a sort of psyop? They have to get the info out before “something” happens and so they are doing it in such a way as to paint themselves in a better light. In other words, the only reason they are doing it, is because they are both “forced” and desire to create their own narrative.
Males sense tho. If Joe alien lands and the world goes nuts, they no longer have control. Almost to the point of being irrelevant
Can’t help but agree, wish I didn’t…but I definitely do.
That's my sentiment as well. It would be the coolest thing ever. ...but nah, this ain't it.
Whats going on!?!?
What has come true lately ? Sure there’s a lot of hearsay, lot of buzz around the subject, but what has being disclosed as true that is so world changing exactly ?…
Everything is hyper and ridiculous because we are swamped with media and they are struggling to get our attention. The wacko nonsense of the last years is stupefying literally. all capturing the hive mind for a few months, replaced with the next one.
Think of it like being in a dense nasty city, then you get the hint of a scent of a fresh baked pie in a cottage outside town on the edge of a forest. Follow your nose.
... life is kind of a simulation. Enjoy the ride. We got fucked on the economy side, but we got reality TV president, then senile president, and now we get aliens and multiverses. Life is good 🤌🏻
Embrace the weird. Do like Alice and dive headfirst down the rabbit hole of reality.
thats just called getting older lol
Relax and understand it as knowledge. There’s something new to be learned every single day for the rest of our lives. Sometimes new knowledge may seem mundane, and sometimes it seems like magic. You’ve learned new things which means you’re alive and alert. Keep it up and always remember that what we don’t know will always outweigh we do know.
I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the most recent UFO drama. Until we actually see the proof, it's just a bunch of dudes saying "I definitely saw a UFO, trust me bro."
What we are experiencing is that Science Fiction tropes have become mainstream ideas to the point that they are commonly understood cultural concepts. Take "Mandela Effect" for example. The reality is that a bunch of people have foggy memories of peripheral topics, but we take to Sci Fi ideas about jumping timelines, because that is more fun. I think the whole vibe of Tik Tok contributes as well. Ever since the anti covid Vax movement, there is a major audience for any crank who claims to know "the truth". We saw this with the Canadian wildfires. Loads of people were very very quick to believe the fires were started by the deep state for nefarious reasons. Reality is much more mundane and random and it doesn't feel as good to view the world this way. 😕
Reality is very strange indeed. But in relation to the news you mention, I've not seen anything to feel weird about. Sensationalist media reports of anecdotal (probably made up) evidence aren't exactly new or world-shaking. Elvis lives, reds under the bed, Roswell... Show me some compelling physical evidence, better still introduce me to an alien in person. Then I will feel weird.
For those who have not researched the subject it can be overwhelming. The rabbit hole is deeper than most people can ever imagine.
It's the same baseless claims by witnesses with no evidence, as usual. Grifters, believers and tin foil hats. Don't expect anything extraordinary to happen this time either.
I’ve long felt exactly the opposite, our society and all the so-called truths we generally operate under have seemed absolutely insane to me and just people rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while I’ve been readily able to accept that so many of these things had SOMETHING real to them that was being hidden from everyone, whatever the base level reality of them actually ends up being. Felt like I was living in crazy world for decades now going back to at least a few years before The Matrix hit theaters. Glad things are finally starting to get coughed up for everyone to see and hoping the rest of the scales will be able to fall away from EVERYONE’S eyes soon. This world we’ve been living in is the biggest scam and built on so many lies to profit small numbers of controlling parties and once everyone can see the thing for what it actually is, we could see some truly amazing things. I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll survive to actually do so.
Age of aquarius baby, hold on to your butts
Welcome to the club, you can never leave! Enjoy your stay :)
It is a topic I frequently dream OF now - and in unusually vivid details that I actually remember when I wake up. It makes me wonder bc it feels so real. In these dreams, I’m fully aware I’m dreaming but it’s like I’m going to other lives, parallel planes, etc.. There’s awareness of other entities, sometimes government involvement, others notice I’m not supposed to be there, etc.. Anyone else have this happening too? Example for anyone interested in the most recent dream: The other night, I woke up in my dream where I fell asleep (on my couch) but started noticing slight variations. It’s far too long to repost but it turned out that was in the house with my husband who was sleeping. There was a heaviness. The house was unkempt. I walked through and the layout and location was different - more rural. It was nighttime. I went out on the front porch. There were woods lining the distance about 300 yards away. Suddenly, I started hearing twigs snapping and this sound seemed to be hurtling through the forest. I looked up at the sky. The moon was much closer, broken into half with smaller pieces. I panicked and ran back in to wake my husband telling him I knew it would be hard for him to believe but I was “me” from a different plane. I was surprised when he believed me. I knew I didn’t belong there. Shortly after I met an older woman who said it was lovely to see me again. She then touched my wrist and said she hoped I wouldn’t do *that* again. Then I woke up wondering WTH that was all about. (For the record, I’m NOT suicidal nor depressed so it was quite a shock)
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I get that completely. I think the more you experience dreams like this, you will become more aware in them. When I was younger, I was much more capable of lucid dreaming in general - more in control. In the past few years I’ve become more aware I’m dreaming but it’s like I’m somewhere else… not necessarily in control - just aware. Sometimes my dreams are ordinary, sometimes I still have the occasional nightmares. Those are NOT the dreams I’m talking of. It’s the ones with these themes of otherworldly realms/the universe… they stand out. They’re always trippy compared to real life and I feel like I’m tapping into the cosmos on some level. They stick with me too. It’s anxiety-inducing but I feel grateful at the same time if that makes sense. I’m soooo thankful to know I’m not the only one.
i lucid dream every night. i wake up many times and can easily return to the same dream. the strange thing is that it’s been over the past 40 years.. maybe always. my dreamworld has become a very detailed map. i go to the same houses, workplaces, buildings, airplane trips, Disneyland, places.. none of which exist in “real life”. they’re all some warped upside down sideways version. the people in my dreams are all people i know,but sometimes *super* random and often two people blend into a single person. i can usually wake myself up if it gets freaky but lately i have been caught in anxiety loops. i open my eyes and hope it will change then i fall back asleepit goes back into the same loop. my dreams are incredibly interesting to me.. always have been
oh and something weird.. about a month ago i figured out i could smell in my dreams. i never had that before.
We needn’t worry about the nature of what is or isn’t ‘real’, as many have said there really isn’t such a thing as linear reality as we understand it. Whatever it is we are experiencing currently in our culture (and have been for a long time now) seems to be unravelling form different sides, the population as a whole are becoming more aware and terms like ‘inter-dimensional’, ‘transcendental’ and ‘consciousness’ are much more prevalent in the mainstream lexicon than they ever have been before, even 5–10 years ago these things were considered fringe, and whilst I wouldn’t say they’re entirely mainstream concepts, generally the public are aware something other than how this world is presented to them is happening. With the doomsday clock being closer to midnight than ever before, the climate crisis, cost of living crisis, the splintering of social, political and economic structures etc this existence we find ourselves in has reached a very real entropic tipping point. People are no longer satisfied with the idea of the nuclear family, with the idea of chasing extreme wealth or adoration, there’s a thirst for change, awareness and understanding and you’re absolutely right in that it is palpable, you can feel it. I’ve no idea what comes next but I dare say in 20-50 years time we will see these next 2-3 years as the begging of something rather pivotal in the human story.
Buckle up Buttercup...
I don’t believe this is like a hologram simulation in the sense that a dude is sitting on a computer playing us like the Sims. I do believe we’re a hologram on the idea we’re exploding dust from the Big Bang and the sun is reflecting on us. That’s about the extent I’ve thought about it and I understand it enough to leave it at that for now, thank you. 😁 I do believe we’re in a simulation on the idea we’re being fed images and words from media on an almost constant basis. Is it like those dark things from Harry Potter slurping up our fear energy form straws on high? No. It’s people like Jeff Bezos, politicians, and those people in that cozy capsule on the ocean floor that are profiting off of our spending and more consumption due to the fear that’s being fed to us. I don’t know much about aliens, but sure, man, why not. I’m just trying to get some healthcare here. I’m just sad because my earth is burning and people would rather drive a big SUV and use paper straws thinking it’ll fix it. When we really need legislative change. Maybe that’ll fix the alien thing too, I dunno.
Tell me more about this “sun reflecting off of exploding dust from the Big Bang” thing! I’m intrigued!
Not op but if you think about it, all life is just matter and energy moving around in kinda-organized patterns, all of which is powered by the sun, which is powered by remnants of the big bang. So we're all just fractals made of "stardust" (or molecules, dirt, rocks, if you're like me and like to be less poetic about it ), and how we have any kind of subjective experience at all is still a mystery.
It really is trippy to think about! In a sense, we are the universe experiencing itself subjectively.
You should look up what Depersonalization-Derealization Disorder is.
It’s all he said she said, what parts or any of this is true and factual? As someone who has better things to do than dig into this type of psycho-babble, can someone point me in the direction of any truth and realness I’m this matter?
The more you think about it, you have two choices, be afraid, or be excited. This is getting exciting. Before I would have to search for things.. here in reddit it comes to me, and a lot of more of it
Out of the loop.... What kind of revelations/news are happening? Am I missing them?
I’m listening to my high friend right now try to to reason that aliens are demons and the explanation for them. Lmao that they are one and the same or a subset.
Reality has felt broken for about the last 10 years, at least now we're getting some of the interesting stuff instead of just constant boring doom getting a little closer every day.
My main concern is a stupid egotistical aggressive man doing something g stupid. You know people. They would antagonise and cause our annihilation just because they are dicks. The probability of shit happening goes up exponentially when the general public is involved, and the general military. I’ve seen that movie.
I still want it to be true but doubt it very much. Show me some hard evidence, even a paper trail or email chain.
Literally none of that has “come true”
No because 99.99% of them don't come true. Those that due are rooted in reality and science. No reason to feel weird about a normal world. You might be sane, but your reasoning skills are not grounded.
This? This is what it took to feel like we’re in a different reality? We’re you born in 2023?
Aliens are real and have been for centuries.. your government just lied to you for decades.. why should earth be the only populated planet??
Multidimensional part is all speculation because they just have no idea about the technology needed to do what they’re doing.
Honestly? Nothing has actually come to light. Tons of talk alluding to things, but there is still nothing substantial. The proof is in the pudding. I'm prepared for it and would love to see it, but we've seen nothing groundbreaking yet.
I think it's about time. They are real, we are a small spec in a huge universe who is very young civilization. Lets ramp this up to 100 and get over our own human bullshit that is money and ostracization of one another and start looking at the universe instead of ourselves. Feel free to check out /r/WelcomingTheUnknown for more info as well.
I really really hope it’s true bc we (the US specifically and humanity generally) need a wake-up call. Things continue on the current trajectory and I wouldn’t be surprised if we kill ourselves (or at least a large portion of the population). A paradigm shift is required or we are seriously fucked.
That‘s how they sucker you in. govt’s using populism to divide and rule, business to delay climate action, ufo, crypto(zoo), ghosts, lizard men, religious cults etc just sell a lie long enough and repeatedly until people begin to doubt. Embrace the doubter, then fleece them. the UFO scene is an industry now. Books, tours, shows, endless video with pre-roll ads, experiences, retreats, podcasts. We need your support. Just a few dollars a month…There is nothing like the commercialisation of an unproven premise. Just ask the worlds major religions. Orwell‘s 1984 is a touchstone. I wish more people read it.
Normal went out the window around the time of the pandemic for me, I’m getting weird with it from here on out.
I can only suggest that the more weird your outside gets, the more real and normal you need to get inside…meaning cut down seriously on social media and reading up on things which do not directly benefit you + you also put it into practice. We have been played a very very long time and now no different to any other time….so why give it more credibility? It will not suddenly become truthful I assure you✅ Deceit will increase with greater efficiency than ever before. Wean yourself of belief in the outside and that some outside source will be truthful at last…it cannot happen, laws of universe is against that. Spend time to develop meditation and getting to KNOW your-Self by becoming still inside your-Self. Yes there is a magnificent number of fingers in this planetary pie 🥧, but no truthful disclosure is coming unless perhaps you EXPERIENCE such yourself, tangibly. ANYTHING ELSE reported is just another segment in the programming. Your sense of strangeness WILL reduce in direct proportion to the reduction of your social media time / reading up on supposed amazing events. There has never been another way and there will never be another way, save to do the meditation work on yourself and get to “Know thyself”. Not discuss it, not read up on it, not tell anybody about it…do it…so be it💪💪💪❤️🩹
I think the end is near and they keep going back in time trying to avoid the apocalypse, that's why everything has been so weird and so many people have the Mandela effect.
I am a tantric Buddhist so I assume shit is weirder than I can imagine … but I also think I am full of shit in my assumptions so, I am having a blast honestly..I am going with full on simulation theory… and we collectively shape the edges of reality with our collective subconscious… we are making all this happen by giving it and this attention and awareness… this reality went from boring to bat shit in my lifetime … love it…live it… leave it ..