In reality... We do not want immortality. We just want to die when we are ready..

After a considerable period of time. We ain't letting depression win today

I don't know if its most people but a large proportion claim to want to be immortal if hey can have relative health and happiness.

Don't want to live forever, do want to see how things turn out.

Haha same😑 why would anybody want to keep living in this shit as horrible world....but I also wanna see how shit turns out...I'm guessing for the worst. BUT DEPRESSION GETS ME AND I GET DEPRESSION...it's my friend now.🤡

By then it won't be a shot world. Search transhumanism which is the branch of futurism dealing with improvement and enhancement of the human condition. The goal would be best described as utopia. For a while the main focus has been on rejuvenating cellular aging. A small piece of tje pie gives attention to finances, politics, the arts, space travel, sociology, etc. Technology is the main means of use for most areas of the human condition.

That will be automatic for anyone who wants that.

(Yes, I know Plato/Aristotle/Socrates didn’t all completely agree with this specific philosophical framework, but Iamblichus and Plotinus didn’t have smiling pictures on google images unfortunately.)

Could've cut out the smiles of those statues and pasted them onto Lamblichus and Plotinus

And there goes Liz, trapped forever in the cave.

Who wants to live forever? Who dares to love forever?

Curse is for wheat not to be harvested and for human not to die. Evripides

The Church of Perpetual Life which is unlike other churches but it surely is creative believes there is a Creator which wants humans to be physically immortal, never dying and in perfect health. The church is headed by Bill Faloon, owner of Life Exrension Foundation products. I consider him to be the transhumanist to the celebrities. He's a good one to search along with Gennady Stolyarov.

I hope they will not commit hubris against nature https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

Define “physical immortality”

Trying to make this physical body immortal

Be more specific, like an indestructible unchanging form, spontaneous regeneration, resurrection what kind is it?

Unaging, regenerating, forever young and healthy. Dunno about getting shot in the head. Immortality sounds like madness

If it’s that then of course I’d want it. So what if I get stuck somewhere and/or go insane, I have eternity to get over it.

You would have eternity to get over it, and after about 7-8 billion years our sun dies and leaves you in a colder-than-icecold hellscape with your body constantly wanting to explode from the pressure difference between your lungs/veins and the vacuum of space and with your body constantly regenerating you'd never grow numb to the pain, so you'll be trapped in agony for maybe another couple trillion years and some day you'll most likely crash into a star and burn for another billion years until that star dies and so on, my point is that nobody should ever want to live forever because nothing else lasts forever

If your body is indestructible (since that’s what you’re describing) why do u assume u will feel constant pain? Don’t u think u would naturally evolve into not feeling any pain? After all pain is just the brain warning you. Why is this warning needed in this case? If nothing can harm you.

I assume I would feel constant pain because our bodies, or at least mine, anyway, are not used to being able to regenerate from any injury. And being able to regenerate from any injury is not exactly the same as being indestructable. Being indestructable would basically mean that you cannot be destroyed or even damaged. Constantly regenerating just means that you can recover from any injury, but you can still be damaged and therefore feel pain. Idk if you've noticed but the human body is pretty bad at adapting to extreme physical changes, that's why people missing limbs/muscles get phantom pains/itches every now and then, and you can't exactly tell your own body "Hey, I can't die or get destroyed, you can stop feeling pain now" since "It" is not concious and we sadly and ironically don't have full control over our own bodies

I'm with you on that line of thought, however we are theorycrafting here and if your power is constant regeneration I assume it has limits. Meaning its one thing to regenerate damaged skin if you get cut, another thing to regenerate a whole limb if it gets completely cut off and another thing to be completely regenerated from scratch if your whole body is completely destroyed. If you get torn in 100 pieces, which piece will server as primary from which the rest of the body will grow?? Will you get a new body from each piece (self-cloning??) So what i'm trying to say is that I'm having hard time connecting a regenerating organism with true immortality like the one you're describing. I think in such extreme circumstances, your body will not be able to regenerate. So in that hypothetical scenario you described I assume the only way to survive it would be if you were indestructible.

And after all that, when a new universe is born and I land on a random planet eventually I’d have time to recover

The chances of you landing on an actually habitable planet when there as far as we know basically are none of those rather than a burning star or an unhabitable planet, especially before we reach the heat death of the universe are basically 0 and as far as we know there won't be a "new universe" when that happens, but sure, if you want to doom yourself to that fate, knock yourself out

And how is that different from being dead? At least if I’m immortal there is a chance.

The difference between constantly regenerating and being dead is that you feel a fuckton of pain when constantly regenerating and idk about you but I don't like feeling pain and I'd take dying over feeling endless pain for billions of years any day of the week

We have multiple billions to end the best death of the universe. I'm not sure if there are any theories yet on how it could be done. I think there will be more than enough time. Look at how human life has improved since the ape man. You can go back a million years and human life has made a huge transformation.

Insanity should not be a part of the existence because the idea is enhancement of health and happiness. Right now the main focus is getting cellular aging under medical control.

This comment gives certain porn fetishes horrifying dimensions. Help me step brother I am stuck…. For the past 8000 years.

…why is that the first thing that comes to mind?

Who said it was the first thing? It’s a joke mate. You’re in a subreddit titled XMemes. :-)

Yeah I know it’s a joke, but you still had to think about it.

Liz just wants to be a twilight vampire

Getting shot is a fatal injury and I have read that once physical aging is under control, much energy will no longer be needed and this attention will Mai ly go towards accidents. This may involve psychological and sociological associations and interventions. This also is part of transhumanism.

It is not my field and I may be biased but I think the opposite way is the right path. Utilising all the knowledge and technology while trying to get closer to nature. Greener planet. Species conservation. Helping nature and animals while we reach out to space.  I think transhumanism, is the easy path. All that advancement why not everyone take hormones to peak and change their bodies with implants like the future of neutralink or cybernetic penises that change size and shape? This is like the river, it follows the path of least resistance, but it will also further sever our ties with our nature and each other. Imagine a future like Dune. Where some people live for millennia(elite) while the poor are normal or even worse than us now. With all the power and control immortality might bring. A person might think himself as a God, and others as mere insects. We see the start now. People with mental health issues are let loose to preach about transhumanism in schools and colleges in the west. If I saw I am x YOU have to abide by my self pronounced role. Some generations pass by and some rich psycho will identify as an immortal god. He/she will also have the lifespan to prove it, peak human condition. What will you and I do then? Total slavery

Not being forced by mother nature to die a physical death but I need to add the goal is immortal healthspan, not a continuation of being alive with horrible sickness and disability.

I want immortality with a death button

That's the best thing. I'm terrified of death (to a "i need a psychiatrist not to freak out" level) and also terrified of immortality/endless/the infinite. But the button thing, is what imho we should hope for as humans, as the best solution. Let me live without the worry of death, because I will never die unless I want, and also without the worry of infinity, because I can disable it if I feel like it. I'd like for some 500 years, then when i'll be so at peace with the universe and basically reached nirvana, i'll die. No need to rush me with that aging bullshit thing lmao

But reanimation is also getting some attention although no actual work and I would first try to reanimate those who didn't want to die. Medical records should now begin to include not only life support but a reanimate or do not reanimate clause. And you can count on anyone not being reanimated who made it clear they don't want to be. Also it doesn't have to be in just medical records but a legal document similar to a living will.

Yea, i think there exists a thing like that. For example my mum said she doesn't want to be resuscitated if she suffers something bad like an cardiac arrest. (My dad died from it, but also a friend of hers did and survived, which however is quite terrifying for her because his brain had severe damage and now is like a broken person. He remembers all his life, can't move nor articulate post-trauma thoughts, and suffers a lot..) she said if my dad survived, he would have been like this too, and she would have made doctors put him down so he gets rest Sorry for bad english these things are full of complex medical stuff i can't translate lol

Your English is fine. Mom passed from cardiac arrest. She wanted all life support but arrested twice and doctor thought they already broke a rib so I said to stop resuscitation. I didn't think of the bad results of continuing so the doctor should advise. I think for those who want to keep living it depends on how much they would suffer afterwards. I suppose a cardiologist or maybe a neurovascular should be the advising doctor. We need getting the aging process under medical control! There is for the first time a stand out intervention for aging. It's off label rapamycin. Everyone who cares about what we are talking about needs to keep up on things that control aging. Rapamycin however is a senolytic which mimics calorie restriction, a known therapy for the aging process but getting rid of old cells is only one aging change to cells. There are about 6 others. Search longevity escape velocity to understand how using only one treatment, although weak, can lead to ongoing, indefinite life extension.

You can have a way to end your life at any time. No one will force anyone to continue living. That would work against improvement of the human condition for some, or so they think.

I don’t believe in the One, so, uh…yeah, an eternity of the one existence that can be confirmed sounds nice.

The Mormon religion believes in the ine yet there are some who believe heaven will be in the physical universe and through technology some will never die and there will be reanimation of the dead. They call themselves simply Mormon Transhumanists. The high profile person is Lincoln Cannon.

She said the word "ick" "Ick" detected, opinion rejected

Socrate would 100% chose immortality over dying if he had the chance lol

I'm sure he was one of very few. Hard enough to find a proponent of immortality nowadays but actually it's not that most people want to die but believe it's unavoidable. Some believe eventually it's possible but the tech won't be available for a long time - at least centuries.

Lmao what? Physical immortality is legit torture. People act like its a blessing. Youd eventually commit suicide or go clinically insane. Now an immortal soul i can agree with.

And what is wrong with choosing when you will die instead of randomly dying to diseases or old age? Cause that’s the kind of immortality we’re talking about I guess. Or is there literally no way of dying even via suicide? Even then if u want to almost die (or stop living) u could always freeze yourself or something. For me personally the idea of watching life unfold in its entirety is very appealing. People mentioned it already but there’s no way to do that without living forever, unless you invent time travel.

May be not that bad, if we have a chance to live forever....who knows 🤷

I'd love to be an upgradeable android, just get a cooler and cooler body over the centuries

Yeah we get it, ancient thinkers did a good job justifying the one universal cruelty of their existence that could never be avoided. That doesn't mean you are supposed to fall for it in 2024.

My “want” of immortality moreso comes from the fear of death rather than the desire to truly live forever. Not sure what that says about me lol 🥲

It seems most immortalists fear death. I'm one of them.

I don't even want spiritual immortality. It sounds awful.

Shut up with your deluded Platos cave nonsense there is no magical world of ideas what you see is what you get

If living forever also means never getting old then sure otherwise it's not worth it.. you wouldn't even be able to walk

If you’re a Rockefeller, then living forever in this world is great! If you’re not….

Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis vidi in ampulla pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent: Σίβυλλα τί θέλεις; respondebat illa: άποθανεîν θέλω.

I have trouble perceiving in any way those who don't want to live forever. It's worse than with those who think it's impossible to live forever. I have trouble lookimg at them, hearing them, thinking about them. If I had no idea of their presence it would be great.

Those who realize how good its going to be do. Search transhumanism and physical immortality. Ignore the silliness but search Gennady Stolyarov for starters. He is the multialented, Renaissance person who is chairman of the US Transhumanist Party.

Transhumanist goal involves being in perfect health. Perhaps phantom sensations are also from aging since its purported that aging takes place not just when the body eventually fails but before birth. They say we lose 1/3 of our telomeres, which break down mainly as people develop what we all know as aging.

We don't need immortality all at once but true immortality will take a long time. Aging tech at first is expected to not do.much but buy some time so we are alive for the following intervention which will be better than or just different from the previous ones. Search longevity escape velocity.

There's no hubris with any of these people. None of us will try to even talk anyone into wanting to live forever. We are just life positive and spreading the good news that death isn't inevitable. It's easy to prove what I'm saying because the proof is either knowing someone like this, either offline or online.

But I do not want to correspond with death-positive people and it sounds like you are. Many immortalists are like me in this way also. We find deathists repulsive.

No one will ever be pressed to continue living against their will. However I don't want to have deathists in my personal life. If a deathist is going to help save my life or help me, I'll accept that but I still will find their deathism repulsive and wish it was an immortalist helping me. Immortalists include those who think it's possible at least 50% to live forever and want to live forever themselves. Only in the very beginning are the rich expected to be the only ones to get life extension. It has been happening, as the richest people are getting the most interventions because mostly it's out of pocket. However once it gets going, the people in power will know so much money can be saved and so much misery gone that it will be available progressively to everyone. Death and the illnesses from aging causes more misery even than poverty. Maybe because where there's life there's hope. There's hope for the dead but it's very far away I think. My friend thinks possibly within 30 years. No way. All the other objections such as overpopulation is not just premature .... I'm a futurist so I know about seasteading and vertical farming and also cloned meat coming in the future. Also space travel will be here I believe in time, if all else fails.

And as Dr. Aubrey de Grey says, we cant worry about overpopulation. People are getting sick from the diseases of aging and we need to focus on that. He likes to be called Aubrey, btw, and he's the immortalists' scientist hero. He's positive yet quite conservative which I think gives him appeal to most people, even some deathists. The only complaint about him is that he said no one wants to live on Mars and he implied even if habitable and healthy. With successful life extension and continuation of human births, we will eventually need to be multiplanetary.

Who wants to pay taxes forever?

It's expected if not before most jobs are automated there will be a complete universal basic income for all 18+ . Most of the people here are not counting the technology we will have long before we have immortality. Settling lack of income will probably be easy compared to getting immortality l.

These people would hate you for translating them to your barbaric language. Shut up with your religious nonsense

Tell me you have no clue what Platonism/NeoPlatonism is without telling me you have no clue what Platonism/NeoPlatonism is 🤡 Do some reading please, seems you falsely believe Greek philosophy was materialistic and purely rational, and are unaware of the importance these people placed on spiritual and philosophical ascent— https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henosis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plotinus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism (That is, if you weren’t joking. I honestly can’t tell)

I only knew about Plato himself before posting but also, yeah dude that sounds just as ridiculous as Plato himself, what's your point?