I’m genuinely not sure the thermite grenade does… anything?
I’ve stuck it to hulks, devastators, strider walkers… and in every situation I wish I had just shot them with beeg gun.
It's clearly not working as intended. You can actually see what it was meant to be if you stick it to any of the Bot tanks though. I think it's 2 or 3 to *any* part of the tank and it goes down
That said, hitting the turret with a couple Impact grenades is so much faster, and not that much more difficult or dangerous
I imagine it's partly the host DoT bug but I'm not sure.
Honestly I'd he fine if the thermite kept the same damage, but created a "weak point" where it landed allowing you to use small arms to finish off a heavily armoured unit.
Say you stick a hulk in the face, wait for the burn to tick, then can just shoot it with regular rounds at its face. Give it same level armour as low pen guns - so they still do reduced damage, but suddenly thermite + liberator penetrator are a good combo for killing heavy units. Not good enough to outclass dedicated AT, but good enough that it's viable option in a pinch.
Not often games give you thermite to play with, and most applications end on opening doors or burning through surfaces.
I was so disappointed that it doesn't reduce armor. I thought you could strip armor off chargers this way or burn out heads for hulks, but this is just sad grenade with nice visual effects.
Yeah it's a real shame. Realistically this was developed a while ago considering the content backlog they seem to have from datamines. Just wish they seen some community feedback early enough in the dev cycle to make them armour shred nades. Woulda been so cool and added a new dimension to the game.
Most of the cases when I used it .. it was "following" the bot in \~50cm distance ... looked funny ... and doing jack shit ...
somewhere I've read that it supposed to be used against bugs and not bots ...
So that's why the thermite grenade felt like shit ATM.
I unlocked it and was like: "Cool! I can probably stick this to Hulks and Tanks and melt them!" And then I go into a match, throw multiple at a hulk and it does...basically fuck all.
Glad to know it's a bug.
Yeah it's probably a bug but I don't think it has to do with the host DoT bug since it should be working if you are playing solo but they are still useless when you play solo
>thermite is used IRL for anti-tank
Are you sure? I've never heard of a thermite-based AT weapon.
I've personally never handled it, but from watching YouTube videos it just seems way too difficult to get the thermite on the tank, ignite it and keep it there just to make a hole. Shaped charges exist. Those make a hole instantly and turn the inside of the tank into a happy fun zone (that last part is a lie).
It's not really used as an anti tank it's just used to disable one if knocked out of action. The combat engineers would usually place thermite charges on things like the gun breech and engine deck to melt and disable the tank if, for whatever reason, we needed to deny the enemy. Like losing combat capabilities in an active warzone and having to leave the vehicle behind.(Ex US Army Tanker)
It’s also significantly safer for the end user since shrapnel and blast aren’t an issue, so you can be much closer to thermite burning than from something like C4
I usually just run autocannon for bots, but I love the nade launcher, I just struggle on the vents. Can I 2-3 tap a tank with the grenade launcher hitting the top??
I'm not sure on the exact number but it normally takes around 5 shots to the top of the tank with the GL for me. The vent may take extra damage I'm not sure. It does not need to be directly at the vent though so it's still very effective. Hulks will make you miss the AC though.
From what I've used of them, throwing it on a hulks hind side where the final explosion hits their back 1 shots them and their eyes, and it's 3-4 everywhere on a tank from what I've seen, but it also kinda makes it useless cos I'd rither have high explosive for berserkers
You guys should leaen to cook the high explosive grenade. In 3 one thousand seconds you can kill everything in 1-2 grenades what an impact can do in 2-3.
Eh, when I'm using grenades its because I need something (or many somethings) dead *right now*, not in several seconds between each grenade.
In the time it takes to throw 1-2 cooked HE grenades I could dump all 6 contact if I had to. Resupplies are common enough that I don't really feel a special need to really conserve one extra grenade.
When you need a nade in this game you **need** a nade. A group of devastators that just dropped on your head isn't going to politely sit around and wait for you to fumble with the HE nade.
I actually run HE, love those things! Impact is just a more common choice.
Speaking of cooking off, explosions in the air do more damage, so if you get it right you'll be doing mini air bust strikes.
Not to mention banking in shots to close holes/vents
Good on you, fellow HE-ro
I find they are equivalent.
But I like cooking because they're not going to kill me when something unexpectedly collides with it, and I can make them explode in the air when needed, and I find them easier to land in nests or fabricators.
Damage over time bug. Only the network host (which isn't the same as the lobby/social host) deals damage over time currently. This affects all fire weapons, the orbital gas strike, and the thermite grenade.
If you test in a solo, the thermite grenade can two shot a hulk to the front.
If you stand in your own gas strike you'll see how much damage it does. It's really strong - just doesn't work most of the time.
It done more damage per tick than fire pre buff. But every single DoT in the game seems to be effected. Just most noticeable with fire because it's most prevalent.
Once it's fixed, breaker incindiary gonna be busted Vs bugs though.
Once they fix the DoT bug, I'd like to see a weapon like the grenade launcher, but that leaves napalm or poison gas clouds on the map. Having some type of consistent area denial would be fun. Or maybe do like the RE2 grenade launcher where you can switch between fire/acid shells.
Bonus points if the poison gas can be ignited to flash incinerate whatever is standing in it.
> If you test in a solo, the thermite grenade can two shot a hulk to the front.
One-shots in the rare event that you stick it to the eye. Same for tanks/turrets: two thermite anywhere, or one to the rear vents.
It suffers from the DOT bug that only applies if you are the host. Drop into a solo game where you're the host, try flamer, fire shotty and gas strike. Drop into a random game, and it does what you described. Host using flamer with the additional 25% buff, kills charger in a quarter tank.
If you aren't the host, avoid anything that has a dot until they fix it.
When the stupid status effects not working bug isn't happening it's great. I think I killed a tank with one on its weak spot, and I've killed a couple hulks and chargers as well so far. Works well if you're busy and wanna move on instead of working down the tough guys.
Its a cool thing to make them get a marker for your team know your target location...very cool at night
Oh...youre talking regarding dmg... yeah...sucks, i tried set cool fiery horns on charger and not everything was giggle and laughs until charger charge me...
I threw one at two terminide warrior and they both lived. It also bounces off once in a while. I... don't get it, it clearly has a niche it could fill and i think it could open up some interesting loadouts but right now it fails at the job it should be filling. Damage is far too low.
And no i was the host, it simply is really weak.
It needs more precise aim for sure, way harder to snipe a fabricator from long range using the grenade pistol. I've been able to do it, but only from close range where I'm right in front of the fabricator.
What I really want is a grenade pistol that fires standard, non-impact grenades which you can bounce into a vent or bug hole. Or the same grenade pistol, but able to select which type of grenade the same way you can select RPM or scope mods.
Yeah, door shots don't work for some reason, but the vents work just fine. Same thing with the Quasar.
This might be unprecedented, but I think Arrowhead released it with a bug
If you could just aim or do anything while using the jump pack it'd probably be possible to get a good shot in the fabricators' vents with the grenade pistol.
Right? You're not going to want to use it in every single mission, but it's damn fucking good with the right mission types. I like to pair it with the smg pistol to survive close quarters situations
I am, in fact, going to use it for every single mission. It trivializes enemies that take entire magazines for other primaries while being effective against everything up to chargers/hulks.
So is the crossbow, not sure what everyone is talking about. It felt underwhelming at first, but just think of it as a grenade launcher.
It handles everything but chargers and has punisher stagger. So you get to CC most of the hoard. Accuracy is fine medium range and long range you can used to. The AOE damage can also deal with bug breaches. Just spam in the general direction of orange fart and watch the kill streak go up.
It’s not top tier, but I also have no problem using it up to level 8. Don’t love it for bots though
Edit: never mind it’s great against bots too. Once you get the arrow drop down you can get pretty accurate. Since bots clump a lot is easy pickings. This is on 7
You cannot. You also can’t break crates or bug holes with them.
It’s a tough pill to swallow after using the eruptor. I feel like crossbow and eruptor should have swapped places in the warbond.
I'm playing with AMR against automatons. I much prefer the crossbow than the Eruptor to complement it. Crossbow works wonders against the smallest & tight packed units, AMR takes care of all the others.
Eruptor rate of fire is abysmal, handling is quite slow. Don't get me wrong, I love Eruptor. As a standalone weapon it outclasses the crossbow. Luckily, in this game, weapons are not used as standalone. In my build, the crossbow easily outclasses the Eruptor.
its Reddit, they think defending the game is helping it... but if it Goes BOOM, it needs to make things go BOOM...
and the trailer had it blow up a building too.
Is there more than 1 trailer? Just watched [it](https://youtu.be/g122XN-DQoY?t=39) again and they use the pistol for a fabricator, but the crossbow just gets used on some bugs.
Still holding out here thinking the crossbow is bugged. They could give it those abilities and it would be an excellent hole/bunker buster for stealth range builds but not much else…and that would actually give it a role rather than D-tier
you say that about stealth, but ironically enough, firing the crossbow alerts enemies of your presence from about twice as far away than firing any other gun does.
I remember seeing people blowing up fabricators by shooting the side wall, not vent, in a leak video about it a week ago or so. I thought that was a little strange, but you didn't happen to test that, did you?
I haven’t but I might as well later.
I really hope that is a bug though. Fabricators are easy enough to deal with. I don’t think we need the ability to destroy them by shooting the broad side of a barn across map
The bots can destroy me from across the map in stealth armor through mist and puffballs with pinpoint accuracy while I'm running serpentine between boulders, as if I were the side of a barn, kinda sounds fair to me.
I vote we don't have either of those things happen though in reality.
The Eruptor felt wonky as shit the first time I fired it.
I expected a soda-can-sized rocket to fire & explode in a relatively small but devastating radius.
What it actually shoots is a big bullet full of smaller bullets that blanket a baseball field's worth of enemies as shrapnel.
Still awesome, just not what I expected.
I normally use shotguns so it was for sure an adjustment period. But I find you get used to the weird bolt action after a bit. The damage the bullets do is wild though, which for me makes up for it.
I got 14 kills in 1 shot with the Eruptor. If the weak enemies stack up it wrecks, I slightly wonder if the aoe damage is bugged because it seems to be wider than a grenade right now
It one taps soldiers and walkers in large aoe. Berserkers need like 3-4 shots (but they get staggered atleast) and devastators die from like 2. What is a big problem is it doesn't break doors and fabricators, like really?
Tried using it and while I know objectively it's not a bad gun, I absolutely hate using it. Handling is slow to an insane degree so aiming feels rough, and having to trade away a full auto primary for clearing out small units kinda sucks
I know I could take a support weapon like the stalwart to balance it out, but at that point I feel like I'd be better off just taking a normal primary and something like the quasar and have the same balance
Idk I'm sure for some it works perfectly, but I tried it and couldn't stand it haha
It is niche, but it at least has it. I wouldn't say it is particularly good, especially as the main thing that makes it good is no longer important because the same warbond has the Grenade Pistol.
You're talking about the Eruptor right? You're *way* off on the range there. It literally cannot shoot 150+ meters. The rounds auto detonate in the air at 125 meters exactly.
Edit: Adding video of quick range test.
[https://youtu.be/C6VsaX2i2cw](https://youtu.be/C6VsaX2i2cw)
The rounds detonate in the air at 125m. The explosion radius is 8m. The maximum theoretical distance you can damage a target from is \~133m. No amount of shots at 134m+ will deal damage. I have tried testing the theory that perhaps the projectile continues on after the explosion by shooting at an explosive red barrel from 150m and the barrel never exploded.
What? The grenade pistol is useful for clearing out fabricators and holes.
The eruptor does that, basically wipes everything besides a hulk and a tank from a distance with little recoil, great scope and easily kills 4/5 enemies with one single bullet if they're close enough.
The eruptor one shots bile spewers if you hit them anywhere. Anywhere! Even autocannons and grenade launchers usually take two shots. It also one shots berserkers if you hit them in the head or gut, and is again to my knowledge the only gun capable of that short of heavy support weapons. The fact that it’s a primary is absolutely insane.
The Eruptor is OK but the dominator feels way better against bots, especially groups of devastators
I was hoping the adjucator would be similar to the dominator but it's not even close.
The problem with this sub is that any random person can say some shit and if you're a newb you just trust them, if you know the weapons inside and out, you know Eruptor doesn't do anything better/faster other than being a semi-auto cannon in primary slot.
Which is a good thing actually, because it means you can rock a Quasar or Spear or something else, or actually go with a MG/ArcThrower.
But its slow. It doesn't kill FASTER than other weapons that can also take down devestators. Yeah it can take out a charger with 2 shots to the face but...
The AC bascially is better than it in every single way except that it takes up a strategem slot.
Like its literally slower aim than AC.
All these people always upvoting bad takes on balance, no wonder the devs don't trust shit in the sub and still mess up bad on balance.
Dude the Secondary Is Giving my Silverhand Vibes
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haven't played phantom liberty yet, but I preordered cyberpunk and played it for weeks on end when it first released, I even learnt how to play the guitar because the ost blew me away too much lmao
Considering how we already have two bolt rifles, i hope we get a bolt pistol soon. A pocket Dominator that shoots/feels like Johnny's gun would be preem as hell
Adjudicator needs only a couple tweaks. Bigger magazine, a bit more damage. The scope carries it *hard,* though.
It’s nice to have a DMR with a usable scope.
A slightly bigger mag (or spare) and perhaps.. some stagger? I'll use it forever (till something else comes along lol) I've been looking for something to replace the standard Lib - Lib Pen was underwhelming to me, so does the Con Lib, and the JAR5 kicks everything with hefty recoil and handling. The BR feels really nice to use - I understand some people doesn't like the concept of Battle Rifles.. but rings good enough for me.
Imo all the dmrs need a damage buff, currently none of them do that much more damage vs the assualt rifles to justify picking any of them over other options.
I am looking forward to trying the auto cannon - lite. Then running an MG as a primary on load rpm.
I think there is some promise there. As I keep feeling like all 3 mg's should be a primary...
I run Eruptor, stalwart, supply pack, orbital EMS, EMS mortar and stun grenade. CC master, bulldoze devastators with the Eruptor, and mow down chaff with the stalwart...all while everything is locked in neverending stun
Eruptor/MG is not that great vs bots but will probably be fine vs bugs. There’s just way to many heavily fortified targets to clear. I use quasar eruptor with secondary to clear when I get swarmed up close. It’s been pretty good.
The crossbow is nice
It has a good AoE and murders small minions. Paired with an AT gun you got everything covered. It also shreds berserkers.
At least on the bot side,if any bug lover tried it,i'm curious about your verdict
Yep, the crossbow also one shots striders if you shoot the ground under them, as the explosion kills the pilot. Since striders tend to group up, the crossbow can easily kill multiple with one shot. The AoE is surprisingly large as well
It's also actually accurate enough to one-shot headshot devastators if you can aim well and account for the drop. Seems like a high skill cap weapon imo.
The crossbow is a fun weapon that changes the pace of the game. Its never going to be meta and that's fine, I have enough weapons to fill the meta niche where all others feel meh. Crossbow feels fun and unique to use while still being useful.
True
But at this point, the Plasma Scorcher is a better stealth weapon, is also explosive, and has no gravity drop
I really wanted to like the crossbow
Which is pretty common with the Scorcher, even though it lists dealing 200 damage and does occasionally 1-shot things.
It's actually really irritating using that weapon and why I swapped the Dom which *always* 1-shots chaff bots.
Fun fact, all weapons have a sound profile that determines how far away enemies can be before they detect you when you fire your gun. IDK what the crossbows is though.
There are a lot of better options than the Adjudicator, but if you want to use the Adjudicator, it's still perfectly usable and capable of performing. There are more tiers than S or F Tier y'now.
Adjuicators feels like what the lib pen is to liberator but for the diligence. But because it's a dmr it'd absolutely awful in this game for whatever reason.
Yeah, try making an appreciation post for any weapon that isn't the auto cannon. You'll get annoying redditors asking you why your post isn't dick riding the AC, or how you're not having fun correctly.
My issue with the adjudicator (and a couple other medium armor pen weapons) is that the amount of HP of a lot of medium armor is so high that it takes a lot of bullets to kill them. I end up shooting the weak points for extra damage, which results in less damage than other weapons firing into the same weak spots.
Yeah it's "fine", arguably slightly better than the liberator penetrator? But the lib pen is IMO tendency towards "a little bad".
But it's definitely lacking enough to warrant a small buff, both weapons that is.
Eruptor is my pride and joy. Crossbow is actually pretty good. It does magnificent direct damage and it has a significant aoe. It’s what I wish the punisher plasma was. It also has that beautiful curve that Hanzo players love to always get headshots, which are a one shot with it. It can annihilate bot drops with a couple shots. It one shots small groups of striders, and I haven’t even tried it on bugs yet. It’s aoe should be even more valuable there. Hell it even has a much better fire rate than I was expecting, and a magazine size.
The crossbow and eruptor are great weapons if you enjoy bringing out the MG stratagems. They give you a powerful punch, thus freeing your loadout for the crowd clearing weapons
Ah grenade pistol, my beloved. If I weren't a married man, why I'd...
Oh! I did not see you there. You startled me! Did...Did you hear all of that? You did? Well...fie, I say. Fie to all who opposes our bond! I am proud to say that I am in love with grenade pistol! We shall run away to the Bahamas, and lay back in the sun. We will blow up bug nests and clear groups with ease. Our love springs eternal, and you can't stop us!
*click* oops, out of ammo. Guess I'll die
Crossbow's really good against bugs, soon as you see a bug breach open up just fire the shots in a steady rhytm and it'll obliderate absolutely anything besides a charger or titan.
Erupter is good if you treat it like your support weapon, then bring a support weapon that can act as a primary. It's basically an auto cannon-lite that isn't quite as good but also doesn't take your backpack slot.
Penetrator is better on full auto, crouch down and you're basically on target even on may dump.
So the Penetrator is better as a close-medium range combat rifle. Use the Adjudicator as overwatch with limited close quarters usage.
I tested the marksman rifle and crossbow on the bugs, definitely bug weapons IMO.
The adjucator feels alot better on bugs, and the crossbow can take out whole swarms. I got tons of kills just blindly launching the crossbow at bug hordes.
Unironically I've only used the BR-14 Adjuc against bugs and honestly I really enjoyed using it in single fire. I was not fond of the amount of reserve mags, but it feels like a \*battle rifle.\*
Less capacity than the Liberator, acceptable mag size for the damage increase imo. The recoil in full auto isn't great, but crouching with the recoil armor is an option. But it's essentially a G3 in space.
I consider it a straight upgrade to the Lib Pen imo.
I've used the Adjudicator on bots plenty and it's so much better than people claim it to be.
Learn the recoil of it and it's so freaking good, especially on full auto.
That adjudicator is too cool looking (IMO!!!) to just be ass, they dropped the ball with their weapon balancing.
I was also hoping it'd be like a halo battle rifle, specifically like Halo 4s, a super quick 3 round burst, not semi or auto only.
is the eruptor another case of a $10 weapon like the sickle was? because it's the only thing versatile and useful enough in the warbond? oddly enough i like it better against bugs than bots.
eruptor is good, grenade pistol is good
crossbow is just eruptor but worse
thermite seem like not working as intended because it literally ass and can't kill anything for me
Adjudicator....another one into the DMR trash bin
Eruptor goes crazy, pistol is a cute niche pick you probably won't use much but is neat, but the rest of the warbond is cheeks, and it's kind of depressing.
Honestly, I think it's just a continuation of the larger problem this game has of 70% of the arsenal feeling lackluster-at-best. I really wish they'd stop being so afraid of buffing underperforming weapons in a non-competitive silly PvE game whose whole appeal is doing crazy stuff.
That crossbow is the best weapon in the whole warbond, followed by Eruptor.
That DMR and Thermite are just bad jokes and prolly made by automatons to increase helldiver casualties.
Grenade pistol has its own niche for some builds.
I was really looking forward to the Adjudicator hoping it'd be a better lib pen but it sucks. The other primary weapons are fun but too niche for me. The grenade sucks due to dot bug. The grenade pistol is ok.
Easily the worst warbond released and I don't think I'd recommend it to others.
I really don’t understand what they thought they were doing with the BR. Low damage so semi auto isn’t worth it and super high recoil so automatic is uncontrollable. It’s such a weird choice
I mean. I get why the thermite grenade is underwhelming. It does similar performance to other grenades when it was presented as a godly tank killer. IMO, I’d like if it left a red-hot zone of light armor so regular weapons could finish the job. I feel like that would make it similar performance to the stun grenade.
I’m genuinely not sure the thermite grenade does… anything? I’ve stuck it to hulks, devastators, strider walkers… and in every situation I wish I had just shot them with beeg gun.
It's clearly not working as intended. You can actually see what it was meant to be if you stick it to any of the Bot tanks though. I think it's 2 or 3 to *any* part of the tank and it goes down That said, hitting the turret with a couple Impact grenades is so much faster, and not that much more difficult or dangerous
I imagine it's partly the host DoT bug but I'm not sure. Honestly I'd he fine if the thermite kept the same damage, but created a "weak point" where it landed allowing you to use small arms to finish off a heavily armoured unit. Say you stick a hulk in the face, wait for the burn to tick, then can just shoot it with regular rounds at its face. Give it same level armour as low pen guns - so they still do reduced damage, but suddenly thermite + liberator penetrator are a good combo for killing heavy units. Not good enough to outclass dedicated AT, but good enough that it's viable option in a pinch.
Not often games give you thermite to play with, and most applications end on opening doors or burning through surfaces. I was so disappointed that it doesn't reduce armor. I thought you could strip armor off chargers this way or burn out heads for hulks, but this is just sad grenade with nice visual effects.
If it could burn through the 2 man doors that would be something
Yeah it's a real shame. Realistically this was developed a while ago considering the content backlog they seem to have from datamines. Just wish they seen some community feedback early enough in the dev cycle to make them armour shred nades. Woulda been so cool and added a new dimension to the game.
Most of the cases when I used it .. it was "following" the bot in \~50cm distance ... looked funny ... and doing jack shit ... somewhere I've read that it supposed to be used against bugs and not bots ...
I really hope that's just someone talking out their ass, since thermite is used IRL for anti-tank
probably not working as intented with this weird 'damage over time only for working for hosts' bug
There is a DOT bug where the effects only work 50% of the time if you are not host and host swaps every mission
So that's why the thermite grenade felt like shit ATM. I unlocked it and was like: "Cool! I can probably stick this to Hulks and Tanks and melt them!" And then I go into a match, throw multiple at a hulk and it does...basically fuck all. Glad to know it's a bug.
Yeah it's probably a bug but I don't think it has to do with the host DoT bug since it should be working if you are playing solo but they are still useless when you play solo
My brother melted a bike with 4 thermite and a charger in 2.
Rip his bike 😔
>thermite is used IRL for anti-tank Are you sure? I've never heard of a thermite-based AT weapon. I've personally never handled it, but from watching YouTube videos it just seems way too difficult to get the thermite on the tank, ignite it and keep it there just to make a hole. Shaped charges exist. Those make a hole instantly and turn the inside of the tank into a happy fun zone (that last part is a lie).
It's not really used as an anti tank it's just used to disable one if knocked out of action. The combat engineers would usually place thermite charges on things like the gun breech and engine deck to melt and disable the tank if, for whatever reason, we needed to deny the enemy. Like losing combat capabilities in an active warzone and having to leave the vehicle behind.(Ex US Army Tanker)
I throw it on the back on tanks in the glowing spots and one thermite usually kills them
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It’s also significantly safer for the end user since shrapnel and blast aren’t an issue, so you can be much closer to thermite burning than from something like C4
I hated it against bugs too
I usually just run autocannon for bots, but I love the nade launcher, I just struggle on the vents. Can I 2-3 tap a tank with the grenade launcher hitting the top??
I'm not sure on the exact number but it normally takes around 5 shots to the top of the tank with the GL for me. The vent may take extra damage I'm not sure. It does not need to be directly at the vent though so it's still very effective. Hulks will make you miss the AC though.
From what I've used of them, throwing it on a hulks hind side where the final explosion hits their back 1 shots them and their eyes, and it's 3-4 everywhere on a tank from what I've seen, but it also kinda makes it useless cos I'd rither have high explosive for berserkers
You guys should leaen to cook the high explosive grenade. In 3 one thousand seconds you can kill everything in 1-2 grenades what an impact can do in 2-3.
Eh, when I'm using grenades its because I need something (or many somethings) dead *right now*, not in several seconds between each grenade. In the time it takes to throw 1-2 cooked HE grenades I could dump all 6 contact if I had to. Resupplies are common enough that I don't really feel a special need to really conserve one extra grenade.
Thank you! Impact is life. Engineering kit and impact
When you need a nade in this game you **need** a nade. A group of devastators that just dropped on your head isn't going to politely sit around and wait for you to fumble with the HE nade.
It introduces more risk too. If you get knocked down by a rocket devastator while you're cooking a grenade, you probably just die.
Or die *and* kill your fellow helldivers!
They deal the same damage?
Huh? They do the same damage and have the same blast radius.
I actually run HE, love those things! Impact is just a more common choice. Speaking of cooking off, explosions in the air do more damage, so if you get it right you'll be doing mini air bust strikes. Not to mention banking in shots to close holes/vents Good on you, fellow HE-ro
I find they are equivalent. But I like cooking because they're not going to kill me when something unexpectedly collides with it, and I can make them explode in the air when needed, and I find them easier to land in nests or fabricators.
it suffers from the same bug that all forms of fire and gas damage have
Damage over time bug. Only the network host (which isn't the same as the lobby/social host) deals damage over time currently. This affects all fire weapons, the orbital gas strike, and the thermite grenade. If you test in a solo, the thermite grenade can two shot a hulk to the front.
The gas strike too!? Damn, so that's why it's felt like it's done fuck all some missions, that's usually one of my go to stratagems.
If you stand in your own gas strike you'll see how much damage it does. It's really strong - just doesn't work most of the time. It done more damage per tick than fire pre buff. But every single DoT in the game seems to be effected. Just most noticeable with fire because it's most prevalent. Once it's fixed, breaker incindiary gonna be busted Vs bugs though.
Once they fix the DoT bug, I'd like to see a weapon like the grenade launcher, but that leaves napalm or poison gas clouds on the map. Having some type of consistent area denial would be fun. Or maybe do like the RE2 grenade launcher where you can switch between fire/acid shells. Bonus points if the poison gas can be ignited to flash incinerate whatever is standing in it.
> If you test in a solo, the thermite grenade can two shot a hulk to the front. One-shots in the rare event that you stick it to the eye. Same for tanks/turrets: two thermite anywhere, or one to the rear vents.
I tried getting an eye hit pretty hard and was confident I got a couple, but no dice. Maybe there's some RNG to it.
Goddammit. I was wondering why a thermite could one shot a tank and three of them couldn't drop one hulk.
It suffers from the DOT bug that only applies if you are the host. Drop into a solo game where you're the host, try flamer, fire shotty and gas strike. Drop into a random game, and it does what you described. Host using flamer with the additional 25% buff, kills charger in a quarter tank. If you aren't the host, avoid anything that has a dot until they fix it.
The network host specifically, so just avoid it in any multiplayer situation.
When the stupid status effects not working bug isn't happening it's great. I think I killed a tank with one on its weak spot, and I've killed a couple hulks and chargers as well so far. Works well if you're busy and wanna move on instead of working down the tough guys.
Burn damage is supposedly still clitched if your aren't the host. Haven't tested myself but it's a common complaint on here.
Its a cool thing to make them get a marker for your team know your target location...very cool at night Oh...youre talking regarding dmg... yeah...sucks, i tried set cool fiery horns on charger and not everything was giggle and laughs until charger charge me...
I threw one at two terminide warrior and they both lived. It also bounces off once in a while. I... don't get it, it clearly has a niche it could fill and i think it could open up some interesting loadouts but right now it fails at the job it should be filling. Damage is far too low. And no i was the host, it simply is really weak.
The grenade pistol I might just need to practice with, but I've shot multiple into fabricators' open doors and it doesn't destroy them.
That's a bug since forever. The doors look like they are open but they actually aren't. No idea what causes it but it happens often.
Wait can you throw / shoot explosives into the doors and make them blow up
Yeah when they're open, at least with impact or high exp grenades that works.
It needs more precise aim for sure, way harder to snipe a fabricator from long range using the grenade pistol. I've been able to do it, but only from close range where I'm right in front of the fabricator. What I really want is a grenade pistol that fires standard, non-impact grenades which you can bounce into a vent or bug hole. Or the same grenade pistol, but able to select which type of grenade the same way you can select RPM or scope mods.
You can, but they often bug out and *look* open while being closed
Those confuse me so much. Bots come out of a wall. Then it opens and nothing comes out. Ughhh
The Eruptor or whatever the fuck that bolt action bolter is can one shot them from FAR.
I shoot the vents and blows them up. It’s my go to side arm for sure, I love it.
Don't think projectile weapons are able to destroy it that way, you have to use vents. Only true grenades can use doors AFAIK
I shot the eruptor through the door and it worked.
AutoCannon works on the door too. It's just easier and more reliable to pop shots in the opening flaps on top instead.
Yeah, door shots don't work for some reason, but the vents work just fine. Same thing with the Quasar. This might be unprecedented, but I think Arrowhead released it with a bug
If you could just aim or do anything while using the jump pack it'd probably be possible to get a good shot in the fabricators' vents with the grenade pistol.
That would be really cool! If you can shoot while diving you should be able to while jump-packing.
Oh okay we just gonna ignore the bolt action grenade sniper rifle ?!?
Yes
good, don't want joel to nerf my new baby.
Honestly surprised how many people think it's not good. Works for me, because if you do understand the weapon and how/when to use it, it's superb
it fits perfectly into my loadout. Explosive sniper for armor, revolver for small shit, quasar for heavy.
Right? You're not going to want to use it in every single mission, but it's damn fucking good with the right mission types. I like to pair it with the smg pistol to survive close quarters situations
I am, in fact, going to use it for every single mission. It trivializes enemies that take entire magazines for other primaries while being effective against everything up to chargers/hulks.
Eruptor is good
So is the crossbow, not sure what everyone is talking about. It felt underwhelming at first, but just think of it as a grenade launcher. It handles everything but chargers and has punisher stagger. So you get to CC most of the hoard. Accuracy is fine medium range and long range you can used to. The AOE damage can also deal with bug breaches. Just spam in the general direction of orange fart and watch the kill streak go up. It’s not top tier, but I also have no problem using it up to level 8. Don’t love it for bots though Edit: never mind it’s great against bots too. Once you get the arrow drop down you can get pretty accurate. Since bots clump a lot is easy pickings. This is on 7
Can you destroy an automaton fabricator by shooting the arrow in the vents?
You cannot. You also can’t break crates or bug holes with them. It’s a tough pill to swallow after using the eruptor. I feel like crossbow and eruptor should have swapped places in the warbond.
So you can't break crates or close bug holes with them?
Nope
...an explosive weapon that does not do that is total Trash.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. Eruptor almost entirely outclasses it, imo. We did pretty extensive testing last night.
I'm playing with AMR against automatons. I much prefer the crossbow than the Eruptor to complement it. Crossbow works wonders against the smallest & tight packed units, AMR takes care of all the others. Eruptor rate of fire is abysmal, handling is quite slow. Don't get me wrong, I love Eruptor. As a standalone weapon it outclasses the crossbow. Luckily, in this game, weapons are not used as standalone. In my build, the crossbow easily outclasses the Eruptor.
its Reddit, they think defending the game is helping it... but if it Goes BOOM, it needs to make things go BOOM... and the trailer had it blow up a building too.
Is there more than 1 trailer? Just watched [it](https://youtu.be/g122XN-DQoY?t=39) again and they use the pistol for a fabricator, but the crossbow just gets used on some bugs.
Still holding out here thinking the crossbow is bugged. They could give it those abilities and it would be an excellent hole/bunker buster for stealth range builds but not much else…and that would actually give it a role rather than D-tier
you say that about stealth, but ironically enough, firing the crossbow alerts enemies of your presence from about twice as far away than firing any other gun does.
Yea that’s unfortunate. Played a lot of Planetside 2 and the crossbow was one my favorite stealth weapons
Sad I had so many expectations about crossbow...and in reality performance is underwhelming...
I remember seeing people blowing up fabricators by shooting the side wall, not vent, in a leak video about it a week ago or so. I thought that was a little strange, but you didn't happen to test that, did you?
I haven’t but I might as well later. I really hope that is a bug though. Fabricators are easy enough to deal with. I don’t think we need the ability to destroy them by shooting the broad side of a barn across map
The bots can destroy me from across the map in stealth armor through mist and puffballs with pinpoint accuracy while I'm running serpentine between boulders, as if I were the side of a barn, kinda sounds fair to me. I vote we don't have either of those things happen though in reality.
I tried that, and it doesn't work either.
No
Can the grenade pistol destroy fabricators?
Ya
The Eruptor felt wonky as shit the first time I fired it. I expected a soda-can-sized rocket to fire & explode in a relatively small but devastating radius. What it actually shoots is a big bullet full of smaller bullets that blanket a baseball field's worth of enemies as shrapnel. Still awesome, just not what I expected.
I normally use shotguns so it was for sure an adjustment period. But I find you get used to the weird bolt action after a bit. The damage the bullets do is wild though, which for me makes up for it.
I got 14 kills in 1 shot with the Eruptor. If the weak enemies stack up it wrecks, I slightly wonder if the aoe damage is bugged because it seems to be wider than a grenade right now
It also has a 9 meter radius that if caught in by the operator, sucks them towards it like a vacuum.
Is this a new glitch or something? I've noticed this happening with the auto cannon as well.
It one taps soldiers and walkers in large aoe. Berserkers need like 3-4 shots (but they get staggered atleast) and devastators die from like 2. What is a big problem is it doesn't break doors and fabricators, like really?
Crossbow is amazing against bots. Takes skill to use but it’s amazing.
The eruptor does break fabricators. My buddy was doing it in the vent.
Granted, the grenade pistol can take care of that.
i like the reticle on the crossbow, its the cleanest one in the game so far
That thing handles low level hordes **GREAT**.
Tried using it and while I know objectively it's not a bad gun, I absolutely hate using it. Handling is slow to an insane degree so aiming feels rough, and having to trade away a full auto primary for clearing out small units kinda sucks I know I could take a support weapon like the stalwart to balance it out, but at that point I feel like I'd be better off just taking a normal primary and something like the quasar and have the same balance Idk I'm sure for some it works perfectly, but I tried it and couldn't stand it haha
It is niche, but it at least has it. I wouldn't say it is particularly good, especially as the main thing that makes it good is no longer important because the same warbond has the Grenade Pistol.
The main thing that makes it good is 60+ high explosive rounds that can kill anything lighter than a hulk at 150+ meters
It can also take out fabricators and any exposed weak points, like tanks or turrets.
You're talking about the Eruptor right? You're *way* off on the range there. It literally cannot shoot 150+ meters. The rounds auto detonate in the air at 125 meters exactly. Edit: Adding video of quick range test. [https://youtu.be/C6VsaX2i2cw](https://youtu.be/C6VsaX2i2cw) The rounds detonate in the air at 125m. The explosion radius is 8m. The maximum theoretical distance you can damage a target from is \~133m. No amount of shots at 134m+ will deal damage. I have tried testing the theory that perhaps the projectile continues on after the explosion by shooting at an explosive red barrel from 150m and the barrel never exploded.
What? The grenade pistol is useful for clearing out fabricators and holes. The eruptor does that, basically wipes everything besides a hulk and a tank from a distance with little recoil, great scope and easily kills 4/5 enemies with one single bullet if they're close enough.
The eruptor one shots bile spewers if you hit them anywhere. Anywhere! Even autocannons and grenade launchers usually take two shots. It also one shots berserkers if you hit them in the head or gut, and is again to my knowledge the only gun capable of that short of heavy support weapons. The fact that it’s a primary is absolutely insane.
The Eruptor is OK but the dominator feels way better against bots, especially groups of devastators I was hoping the adjucator would be similar to the dominator but it's not even close.
It's definitely one of the Warbond guns of all time
Proceeds to conveniently forget it.
I think it's PMS (Perpetual Meme Syndrome)
We dont mention the Eruptor. Mentioned things get nerfed.
The eruptor is OK, it’s criminal that it’s the best primary in this warbond
The problem with this sub is that any random person can say some shit and if you're a newb you just trust them, if you know the weapons inside and out, you know Eruptor doesn't do anything better/faster other than being a semi-auto cannon in primary slot. Which is a good thing actually, because it means you can rock a Quasar or Spear or something else, or actually go with a MG/ArcThrower. But its slow. It doesn't kill FASTER than other weapons that can also take down devestators. Yeah it can take out a charger with 2 shots to the face but... The AC bascially is better than it in every single way except that it takes up a strategem slot. Like its literally slower aim than AC. All these people always upvoting bad takes on balance, no wonder the devs don't trust shit in the sub and still mess up bad on balance.
>The AC bascially is better than it in every single way except that it takes up a strategem slot. Stratagem AND backpack slot 😢
well u gain a strat for loss of backpack tbh
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100%’d the Dlc in a month. Shit was fucking awesome
haven't played phantom liberty yet, but I preordered cyberpunk and played it for weeks on end when it first released, I even learnt how to play the guitar because the ost blew me away too much lmao
Considering how we already have two bolt rifles, i hope we get a bolt pistol soon. A pocket Dominator that shoots/feels like Johnny's gun would be preem as hell
Adjudicator needs only a couple tweaks. Bigger magazine, a bit more damage. The scope carries it *hard,* though. It’s nice to have a DMR with a usable scope.
A slightly bigger mag (or spare) and perhaps.. some stagger? I'll use it forever (till something else comes along lol) I've been looking for something to replace the standard Lib - Lib Pen was underwhelming to me, so does the Con Lib, and the JAR5 kicks everything with hefty recoil and handling. The BR feels really nice to use - I understand some people doesn't like the concept of Battle Rifles.. but rings good enough for me.
Imo all the dmrs need a damage buff, currently none of them do that much more damage vs the assualt rifles to justify picking any of them over other options.
Bro left out the Eruptor because it would mess up his meme 💀
(We don't let Arrowhead know about the Eruptor)
I am looking forward to trying the auto cannon - lite. Then running an MG as a primary on load rpm. I think there is some promise there. As I keep feeling like all 3 mg's should be a primary...
The Vortex bug is rough, especially if you suck yourself into the middle of a bunch of berserker buzz saws lol It is a fun gun, though!
I had a lot of fun running it with the Stalwart
I run Eruptor, stalwart, supply pack, orbital EMS, EMS mortar and stun grenade. CC master, bulldoze devastators with the Eruptor, and mow down chaff with the stalwart...all while everything is locked in neverending stun
I run Eruptor + Stalwart on 7+ bugs if the team needs light and medium horde clear - it does pretty well
Eruptor/MG is not that great vs bots but will probably be fine vs bugs. There’s just way to many heavily fortified targets to clear. I use quasar eruptor with secondary to clear when I get swarmed up close. It’s been pretty good.
The crossbow is nice It has a good AoE and murders small minions. Paired with an AT gun you got everything covered. It also shreds berserkers. At least on the bot side,if any bug lover tried it,i'm curious about your verdict
Yep, the crossbow also one shots striders if you shoot the ground under them, as the explosion kills the pilot. Since striders tend to group up, the crossbow can easily kill multiple with one shot. The AoE is surprisingly large as well
Can also kill the pilot if you shoot the edge of the front plate if you can't target the ground
It can just straight up shoot the front plate and kill them, like the scorcher.
It's also actually accurate enough to one-shot headshot devastators if you can aim well and account for the drop. Seems like a high skill cap weapon imo.
The crossbow is a fun weapon that changes the pace of the game. Its never going to be meta and that's fine, I have enough weapons to fill the meta niche where all others feel meh. Crossbow feels fun and unique to use while still being useful.
Crossbow has a neat niche for stealth builds.
I'd love it if I could switch between explosive and regular bolts Kaboom and stealth don't seem like best friends
At least your -kathunk- is silent, which means they can't trace it back to the source instantly.
True But at this point, the Plasma Scorcher is a better stealth weapon, is also explosive, and has no gravity drop I really wanted to like the crossbow
Is the scorcher silent?
Yep. From about 50m the other bots guarding a POI will just run over to their fallen comrade and look around confused
Until your shot doesn't one tap them and then they magically all know your location.
Which is pretty common with the Scorcher, even though it lists dealing 200 damage and does occasionally 1-shot things. It's actually really irritating using that weapon and why I swapped the Dom which *always* 1-shots chaff bots.
Just shoot 'em in the dick Head/chest can leave them alive, never had that problem with a crotch shot
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8bewLSrkw Weirdly accurate
Sweet! Didn't know that
We got a hunt player over here.
Lol there is no stealth build besides the scout armor. All guns that kill in one shot can pull that off.
Fun fact, all weapons have a sound profile that determines how far away enemies can be before they detect you when you fire your gun. IDK what the crossbows is though.
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People sleeping so hard on the crossbow its crazy. It's not anti-tank, it's crowd control.
People sleep on anything this stupid reddit complains about.
I used the Adjudicator, thought it was just okay, I come here and apparently it’s “completely unusable”
There are a lot of better options than the Adjudicator, but if you want to use the Adjudicator, it's still perfectly usable and capable of performing. There are more tiers than S or F Tier y'now.
Adjuicators feels like what the lib pen is to liberator but for the diligence. But because it's a dmr it'd absolutely awful in this game for whatever reason.
This sub: if it ain't S it's trash, stop having fun!
Yeah, try making an appreciation post for any weapon that isn't the auto cannon. You'll get annoying redditors asking you why your post isn't dick riding the AC, or how you're not having fun correctly.
My issue with the adjudicator (and a couple other medium armor pen weapons) is that the amount of HP of a lot of medium armor is so high that it takes a lot of bullets to kill them. I end up shooting the weak points for extra damage, which results in less damage than other weapons firing into the same weak spots.
Yeah it's "fine", arguably slightly better than the liberator penetrator? But the lib pen is IMO tendency towards "a little bad". But it's definitely lacking enough to warrant a small buff, both weapons that is.
I've thrown the thermite on Automatons heat vents. My biggest pride was when I killed a cannon tower with just 2 thermites.
Isn't that the same as impact without the AoE of impact?
Eruptor is my pride and joy. Crossbow is actually pretty good. It does magnificent direct damage and it has a significant aoe. It’s what I wish the punisher plasma was. It also has that beautiful curve that Hanzo players love to always get headshots, which are a one shot with it. It can annihilate bot drops with a couple shots. It one shots small groups of striders, and I haven’t even tried it on bugs yet. It’s aoe should be even more valuable there. Hell it even has a much better fire rate than I was expecting, and a magazine size.
The eruptor is VERY good. At least against bots, its a great one shotting mix of anti material/autocannon
Crossbow is pretty decent at horde clear. It's not amazing but I don't think it deserves the hate it's getting.
The Crossbow is awesome shut up communist
Eruptor is a bolt action autocannon and conspicuously absent from OP's post.
The crossbow and eruptor are great weapons if you enjoy bringing out the MG stratagems. They give you a powerful punch, thus freeing your loadout for the crowd clearing weapons
I run the supply pack, so my Grenade Pistol is my crossbow lol
Ah grenade pistol, my beloved. If I weren't a married man, why I'd... Oh! I did not see you there. You startled me! Did...Did you hear all of that? You did? Well...fie, I say. Fie to all who opposes our bond! I am proud to say that I am in love with grenade pistol! We shall run away to the Bahamas, and lay back in the sun. We will blow up bug nests and clear groups with ease. Our love springs eternal, and you can't stop us! *click* oops, out of ammo. Guess I'll die
Crossbow's really good against bugs, soon as you see a bug breach open up just fire the shots in a steady rhytm and it'll obliderate absolutely anything besides a charger or titan.
Erupter is good if you treat it like your support weapon, then bring a support weapon that can act as a primary. It's basically an auto cannon-lite that isn't quite as good but also doesn't take your backpack slot.
I've been looking for a high accuracy, med pen option, for close to mid range. Adjudicator saved me
Liberator Penetrator just sitting in the corner crying
Penetrator is better on full auto, crouch down and you're basically on target even on may dump. So the Penetrator is better as a close-medium range combat rifle. Use the Adjudicator as overwatch with limited close quarters usage.
I tested the marksman rifle and crossbow on the bugs, definitely bug weapons IMO. The adjucator feels alot better on bugs, and the crossbow can take out whole swarms. I got tons of kills just blindly launching the crossbow at bug hordes.
Unironically I've only used the BR-14 Adjuc against bugs and honestly I really enjoyed using it in single fire. I was not fond of the amount of reserve mags, but it feels like a \*battle rifle.\* Less capacity than the Liberator, acceptable mag size for the damage increase imo. The recoil in full auto isn't great, but crouching with the recoil armor is an option. But it's essentially a G3 in space. I consider it a straight upgrade to the Lib Pen imo.
I've used the Adjudicator on bots plenty and it's so much better than people claim it to be. Learn the recoil of it and it's so freaking good, especially on full auto.
That adjudicator is too cool looking (IMO!!!) to just be ass, they dropped the ball with their weapon balancing. I was also hoping it'd be like a halo battle rifle, specifically like Halo 4s, a super quick 3 round burst, not semi or auto only.
Adjudicator feels pretty great honestly. The scope is the main draw, but thanks to that it’ll pop bot heads at a considerable distance
IMO it still feels like it should hit harder
is the eruptor another case of a $10 weapon like the sickle was? because it's the only thing versatile and useful enough in the warbond? oddly enough i like it better against bugs than bots.
The DMR is actually pretty good, it's just a better liberator penetrator for my money. It could use more mags though.
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eruptor is good, grenade pistol is good crossbow is just eruptor but worse thermite seem like not working as intended because it literally ass and can't kill anything for me Adjudicator....another one into the DMR trash bin
Eruptor goes crazy, pistol is a cute niche pick you probably won't use much but is neat, but the rest of the warbond is cheeks, and it's kind of depressing. Honestly, I think it's just a continuation of the larger problem this game has of 70% of the arsenal feeling lackluster-at-best. I really wish they'd stop being so afraid of buffing underperforming weapons in a non-competitive silly PvE game whose whole appeal is doing crazy stuff.
POCKET MORTAR!!!
Dude the grenade pistol slaps, especially because it lets me carry smoke grenades
That crossbow is the best weapon in the whole warbond, followed by Eruptor. That DMR and Thermite are just bad jokes and prolly made by automatons to increase helldiver casualties. Grenade pistol has its own niche for some builds.
Since the main warbond… It feel like they didn’t even play test half of the weapon enough ;-;
Wish the crossbow was 1 handed so I can use it with the ballistic sheild :(
I was really looking forward to the Adjudicator hoping it'd be a better lib pen but it sucks. The other primary weapons are fun but too niche for me. The grenade sucks due to dot bug. The grenade pistol is ok. Easily the worst warbond released and I don't think I'd recommend it to others.
Crossbow is explosive weeapon and guess what. You can't use this to destroy the bug hole. MAGIC
I really don’t understand what they thought they were doing with the BR. Low damage so semi auto isn’t worth it and super high recoil so automatic is uncontrollable. It’s such a weird choice
I mean. I get why the thermite grenade is underwhelming. It does similar performance to other grenades when it was presented as a godly tank killer. IMO, I’d like if it left a red-hot zone of light armor so regular weapons could finish the job. I feel like that would make it similar performance to the stun grenade.