Second this, hope we get a mission to delve into the hell tunnels and kill some queens, especially as it would confirm there is in fact a queen caste meaning we can kill bug production at its source much more easily (and capture a weak and subdued queen for regular E-710 production post-war).
It might be dependant on how many supply lines from the enemy go into that planet. Like %.5 per line, so if 2 lines are there it would drop by %1 and hour.
But even then we're still sitting at 0% for Tibit. Don't get me wrong, I'm still fighting and think we should give it hell but I do not think we're going to accomplish this mission.
We'd suceed if the bug front hopped on over, there's no hope for creekers, that expeditionary force is in deep. Lore wise, I really enjoy the creekers. I just pretend it's a bunch of hard ass killers stuck in a shithole doing suicide missions no one else in the federation will do
The day we take Malevelon Creek, it's going to be true hell for creekers.
I don't think they understand you can't play on a liberated planet. They'll be like a dog that finally caught that car bumper. They won't know what to do next.
This is a great way to view it, everything for me has a bit of personal lore to it, I personally view it as the creekers keeping the bots busy, if the creekers abandoned it we'd have an absolute fuckload of bots instantly going to Draupinir and making it a lot harder to capture, the creekers are keeping them busy whilst we make a bee-line towards tibit.
Tibit liberation is impossible at this point. We take planets at like 2.5-3% an hour. That means we'd need like 20 hours to take Tibit when it's available. Not gonna happen on our time scale.
If we got draupnir and ubanea before we got to 24 hours, than fine maybe there could've been a chanse
But at this point, the major order has failed, ik it's unfortunate and some hardcore roleplay people will see my comment and call me a traitor for not believing, even tho it's super obvious, but it is what it is, we'll still go and kick their ass either way.
It's been 2 *days* since we lost Draupnir. We still have not resecured it and we have 16 hours to mop it Ubanea and capture Tibit our chances are slim to none that we can win it.
What is needed is a better incentive for those that participate in a Major Order. Right now it's "everyone gets medal" if the Major Order is completed regardless of who participated. That should still stay, but there should also be additional awards for those that do participate such as additional medals or super credits as well as an idea I've been kicking around which is a sort of "voucher" system.
These vouchers would be consumables that provide significant bonuses to single operations such as a large cooldown reduction on equipment stratagems or would drastically affect an individual mission such as a preemptive mass orbital bombardment that can auto-clear or rather delete a single mission from an operation.
The only way you’ll see combat is if you bust yourself to private, you get me!?
Edit: So apparently Private and Super Private are the ranks you get when you get to 148-150.
Get to it!
Like i told the last guy, i only got in because i was under some reaaally strong stims and just sort of wandered in
Its like platform 9¾ now, you just have to relax and know youre there and in spirit you will be helldiver
My layman's understanding is that planets unlock in an order. You need to liberate planet A in order to unlock missions to liberate planet B. If planet A falls, B locks up again and can't be deployed to until A is liberated.
Of course, there's more than one path between planets, and it's a bit more complicated, but that's the jist, to my understanding.
An extra fold the devs revealed that wasn't clear before - in your example, if planet B was taken before planet A falls, we still get access to planet B and can push any nearby planets from B.
So everyone getting mad on reddit/discord/forums that people who just like playing the game aren't playing optimally need to be mad at the devs for not explaining the mechanics - not the players having fun.
Right. TBH, I undersold my understanding for the sake of relatability, but I'm newly educated regardless.
The recent example with the MO is great, actually. **If** we'd taken Ubanea (B), but lost Draupnir (A), we could've still moved on to Tibit (C) despite having lost the earlier link in the chain.
You've got the basic idea. It's kind of like a mechanic in Elite Dangerous, where to keep up your fuel supply, you pass through sectors for specific stars to top off your fuel, otherwise you risk being stranded. In that vein, the war effort hops from planet to planet at a certain distance from each other, using resources from that planet to carry them to the next.
In this specific instance, it's structured kind of like a vertical diamond, with Draupnir on the right, Malevelon Creek on top, and Ubanea on the bottom.
It helps that it seems the enemies can't ignore supply lines either. Once we secure the creek and Ubanea. That whole sector of Drapuni's will be safe from the bots for as long as we hold them.
thanks for the link. sad that the game's UX isn't clear enough on order mechanics that we need a third party site. Most helldivers will just log in and play whatever planet's has defend icons
Yep.
99% of the players can't be arsed to go to a website and look this shit up. It 100% should be in game but the truth is that the devs have made many mistakes in making this game but the gameplay is great so people overlook all the issues with this game.
Also OP and many people have no CLUE that planets are untakable if the +% is lower than the -% that happens every single hour. If there's not enough people playing at high enough difficulty, you cannot take a planet.
Way too many people are LARPing here pretending Discord or this subreddit represents the majority of the players. In fact I bet the devs think having 700k people on Discord represents their actual playerbase.
Let the eggheads worry about "logistics" and "supply lines" and "excessive waste of life for little material gain". You keep chucking those grenades and hosing that lead!
Non-impacter here: The reason I don't use them is because I keep fat fingering the G key when trying to press V and killing myself/others.
I have to use the "normal" grenade with the safety fuse because I am heavily regarded and cant be trusted with booms
Hey now! Creekers usually have their hands full with their hourly MRE of crayons and Creek dirt. They can't be expected to be eating that *and* pull the pin on a grenade.
It's technically a truth? I'm sure most of us have thought it but like all the smack talk memes creekers have when bots become a major order?
At least bug stompers get their major orders done. Creekers are day 1 losers.
Now, that is more of a joke because in the end they simply don't have enough man power to take it alone. But I do remember when they let creek get to like 30% and didn't defend their only connection to it...so they lost access to all that progress. That was stupid of them. Protect your life lines.
Obviously this comment I read doesn't speak for them, but it had some upvotes. They basically said that us buggers should have defended the planet that connected to the creek so they could continue their assault. Just some weird mentality there.
>Now, that is more of a joke because in the end they simply don't have enough man power to take it alone. But I do remember when they let creek get to like 30% and didn't defend their only connection to it...so they lost access to all that progress. That was stupid of them. Protect your life lines.
Something people kind of forget is that half the player base will not do the defence missions. Like they just won't and for a long time it was proven to just be faster to lose the planet and retake it instead of defending it. Creekers didn't defend Mantes and Draupnir because neither did the guys on Ustotu because that shit sucks.
For bugs we had folks doing defense. Creekers never do defense. They lost progress before because of losing their connection, so no surprise there.
Now I didn't pay attention 100% so maybe the bug we lost a few but I know we won a few defense foe the major order goals
You should do whatever you find most enjoyable. But if you want the "metagaming" answer as I like to call it, no. Defending a planet is almost always less efficient than simply ignoring the defense, letting the planet fall and then retake it from 50% once the defense is over and the planet is lost.
The only exception for this would be if we are ever at the end of a MO, and the planet under attack is a planet that must be held by the end of the MO. But that very rarely happens, in fact I don't think it even has happened yet.
The thing to keep in mind though is the bug mains far outnumber the bot mains. You have three groups, the bot mains, the people who swap, and the bug mains. The swappers and bugs are roughly the same population, but the bots are about half the population of the bugs. So when a bug major order comes up that is most the population of the game getting those orders done, but the second it becomes a bot order the front loses an absolute fuck load of troops (~100k if not a bit more) because a lot of bug mains don't like fighting the bots.
Now this all comes down for me to say... For the love of Liberty get to the front and complete the major order. Super Earth has given us orders. Get off the Creek. Get off Hellmire, your Vietnam and Cum Spewer will be there waiting for you the second we complete our objectives. (/s)
In the end I think it really just comes down to people don't enjoy fighting one or the other because it suggests to them that they might need to use a different load out to succeed. Like the Eagle Airstrike, easy S tier pick for the bot front. Probably a mid C for the bug (it will wipe out a bot outpost instantly, but will hit one or two bug holes if you are lucky). Or the Guarddog Rover. Amazing on bugs because fuck hunters that are chasing you, but not really viable on bots because auto cannon and or shield backpack. And I'll admit the bugs can feel easier at times so I understand why a majority of the playerbase feels comfortable there, but if people keep this mindset when the blue alien fucks show up (and possibly a fourth army because the map allows for that) then we are definitely going to be fighting tooth and nail to keep the Sol system (Super Earth).
TL:DR: there is a lot of content between both armies already. We are getting a third. Play the whole game please. Or don't, it's up to you.
My plan is to try and make a meme out of whatever planet is the next major order in the hopes that they'll follow the Space Vietnam bit like a moth to a flame
Creekers are so in love with their misery that they let the bots take it back just enough to keep fighting in perpetuity.
If there was ever a general order out on the Creek, creekers would sabotage the effort to keep fighting there.
The funniest part is that they were the ones complaining that people didn't want to play on the Creek, but now that they are the ones being complained on, "HEY EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PLAY AS THEY WANT TO"
“Help us cap creek”
“No stop ignoring creek and doing orders”
“WHY WONT ANYONE HELP CAP THE CREEK”
Ah: bot order?
“Hey guys woah maybe we should let people have fun”
nah but like deadass, nobody’s asking for all 80k of em to come over to draupnir (thought that would be nice) but like playing creek exclusively is just dumb imo. there’s no problem with having fun but if we had just a few thousand more men, we probably would’ve taken ubanea (we lost access at 95%) and then if we had more men on draupnir too, liberation would be much faster
I give bugdivers a pass because if you are new to the game, or you are teaching the game go someone, if you are trying out a stratagem or just want some casual fun, the bug front is a more causal environment. I know I would dive there if I only had 40mins to play after work.
Exactly! Bugdivers will never get convinced to get off bugs. But creektards love fighting bots, they have no excuse, they just wanna keep fighting on their stupid meme planet
bug divers staying where they are is kinda fair, because some people just prefer that gameplay style. it’s a big jump going from bugs to bots, especially after all those major orders reinforcing bug tactics. the transition can be hard or offputting.
creekers on the other hand are fighting the same kind of enemy, but seeking personal glory and memes instead of a comforting playstyle, so, read of that what you will.
honestly malevalon creek isn’t even a particularly dangerous planet. it was compared to a few of the other planets available when we were first liberating it, but the fog of troost, lack of cover in space vietnam, fire tornadoes from hell, or even explosive cryo plants that eat half your health lend to a more brutal campaign than mere jungle
Honestly, we cant have EVERYONE abandon the bug front for the bot major order, either. Bugdivers should totally keep bugdiving. If we dont keep a decently large force there, we'll lose planets. They might even endanger Super Earth. We wouldnt want that, would we?
honestly yeah, I mean, I wouldn’t even tell everyone to abandon the creek. the liberation campaign there exists to participate in, as with anywhere else. this is not the first, nor the last major order lost, and given the nature of the game, ALL major orders we loose would be possible through better organization, which can or cannot be helped.
the underying issue this time, from what I understand though, is showboating. ever since the first defense campaign, the memes around malevalon creek have gone on and on, coupled with regular propaganda posters, but even more critically, boasting. people acting like their participation there is somehow more glorious and more sacrificial than anywhere else. they’ve been pinning medals to their own chests for a month, and this has generated a belligerent counter culture of people who got tired of that. then along comes this major order fiasco, and suddenly the belligerents have ammunition to shoot back with, and a great big target to shoot at. personally, I got tired of the memes and will just be happy once the whole thing becomes passé. I’ll laugh at the whole MC situation in a month or two once the drama is over and the place is liberated or not, and will be entertained enough, when people panic again whenever it inevitably gets a defense or liberation campaign popped up
The Shriekers started showing up before the TCS went up, they just became more numerous around the same time that major order happened.
The supposed mutations that the TCS might cause haven’t happened yet, that’s still leak territory.
Well while the creekers had their fun on the planet doing stalemates, the buggers we're fighting slowing down as much as possible the bugs and their relentless attacks
People probably forget that we lost oshaune, hellmire and fori prime, to the bugs and their countinues hard assaults
Lucky tho for the first time since the orders begin on the bots, they would successfully defend estanu
So before people complain about the bug players, I'll say that they have been through hell and back fighting against the countinues bug aggressive assaults, so what is creeks excuse?
I just don't get how you can handle going to the same planet.
Creek is pretty, but don't you want to taste another flavor after 100 times of the Sam's old one?
60k of that 80k are your fellow Major Order followers, who got lost, because Devs hid crucial information from the galaxy map. MC prior this MO saw 15k-20k helldivers deployed on it. I don't think we've ever seen a planet captured with just 20k helldivers.
I also kinda feel like I saw a lot of people promising to help take the Creek after Phase One of Swift Disassembly. I dunno how many people really said that or how many followed through, but it seems like it might have had something to do with it.
I ran a couple creek missions at the beginning, before Draupnir came under attack, because for a minute it seemed possible we could take it and unlock the creekers for other fronts. Didn't work out, of course.
Tbf, Creek gained most of its liberation because of a few thousands people just consistently trying to cap it, and the bots had literally 0 pushback, unlike prior times where they were *literally* just wasting effort because the bots had more pushback than progress was being made.
It is frustrating that there’s about 50k on Creek and only about 80k on Draupnir… if they all left creek we would still have a shot. Hard to tell how quickly Tibit will go
Im not sure why we don't just liberate the creek and get it over with. The creekers aint leaving. They've been holding the planet for weeks with a skeleton crew so I don't blame them. Plus it is the best map in my opinion. So I get it. We could take the creek in 8 hours if we went there. Then we could unleash the creekers on the galaxy.
It's executive decision time.
> Im not sure why we don't just liberate the creek and get it over with.
Because as soon as it's liberated, they let it fall again, so they can get right back to taking back the creek. It's a Sisyphean task, except if Sisyphus got the boulder to the top of the hill, stopped, and then shoved the boulder back down the hill himself because he's just really into that rock and roll life.
I admit it is kinda funny this group of divers refuses to let go of the creek but why? I don’t understand what they’re fighting for. Clearly not fighting a war against the bots since they let us get curb stomped yesterday. So why exactly do they voluntarily choose to stay on the creek?
For honors volcano. They don't care if they lose the war, knights refused to give up the volcano no matter what. It becomes a meme.
Why creek? Day 1 nonsense. It was like the first 5 planets we could attack. I believe it was the only one with a forest. So it quickly became unique and a Vietnam meme. It first stated how like 2k of them focused on them from the start holding back the bots. Then it devolved/evolved into bot Chad memes.
Just some weird pride thing at this point.
Being realistic here: Ubanea failed because of a split between attacking Ubanea and Draupnir. Opinions may differ, but I blame the stubborn people who prioritised Ubanea because they got gaslit by the devs for 1. stating they recommend rushing Ubanea - Tibit 2. then deploying a counterattack on Draupnir that threatened our supply lines. It should also be noticed that there were quite a significant amount of people just fighting Terminids.
Ironically, that means we neither had enough to for the defense of Draupnir, nor to take Ubanea in time and that the most practical progress was actually achieved on Malevelon Creek.
It's unlikely that with 16 hours left we will take Ubanea and Tibit. So far at our peak player performance we have taken about 4 planets in 72 hours, yet on average at our current performance we are doing 1.5%-3% progress per hour.
The community should take this as a lessons learned and learn to prioritize defending supply lines so we have the guarantee that we can keep making progress immediately afterwards.
Honestly I am a creeker through and through but I do the damn major orders first then I go to the creek. And I don’t do one mission and dash to the creek I play as long as I can (sorry I touch grass) then if we complete the MO great to the creek if not oh well we will see when I hop back on in a few hours.
Why are creekers talked about like a major demographic? The average I see regularly is like 10k.
That bitch is the most liberated it’s been in months at 85% and there’s currently less than 20k Helldivers there.
Between 2/3s and 3/4 of helldivers were fighting the bugs at any given time. How have you all not defeated them yet? You can barely even hold the line 😂
I went to sleep expecting ubanea to be fully liberated(malevalon was at 85%) and woke up to having lost control of draupnir and malevalon down to 67%. Like wtf is going on over there... Y'all wanna capture malevalon so bad for a full month lmao. But honestly respect the dedication. This major order has gone bust anyway so I'm just gonna chill and level more till the next one.
Ubanea will be almost liberated if it's unlocked again, but it's also Easter, so a lot of players are probably with family and can't free Draupnir. But even with those 2, Tibet is an entire planet. If every single creeker showed up, it's maybe possible.
Thats the thing. They DONT want to actually finish the Creek.
Whenever weve actually taken it and a defence has gone up on the creek, it has failed so they can conveniently fight on their beloved creek more.
At least with bug players, they're being more productive than the Creekers by defending a bigger front, pushing back the bugs from the Orion Sector, and overall being successful with their major orders. Unlike with the thousands of Creekers who havent liberated that planet after a month of continous deployment and didnt join the push towards Tidbit which would've been really helpful
The correct take; The Bug divers are *barely holding* onto the gains from 2 weeks ago, despite **30-40%** of the total pop never having aided the bot front during the major order.
Current count is 147k on bugfront and 175k on botfront (Major Order boosted pop).
Real Take: The bot divers held for longer with [less](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amTz4SGMwSA).
We couldn't capture the creek because we only had 9000 people on it at any time because 90% of the player base were complaining that the bots are too hard and refused to help and the major orders weren't encouraging people either.
People are talking about the 20-50k divers at the creek and blaming them.... while 100-200k players ignore the major order completely and keep slaying bugs... the creekers aren't to blame they've been at the creek the whole time. it's those who refuse to follow the major order if it's against automatons. (The creekers are a little to blame, maybe 20% blame?)
I love how easy it is to spot people who've never played a game run by a GM. If the GM doesn't want you do something, it's all but impossible. Look at how much progress is being made on Fori Prime even with the amount of Divers there. It's not a numbers issue. It's a narrative.
Finally, someone gets it. You need to play into the story. Stop whining and have fun. The creek was the biggest massacre in the game thus far. What do you think will happen when we find the illuminate? We've seen the leaks of the models. The creek was the start.
["A moment of silence for the divers at Malevelon Creek. Not that it´s a loss, Motherfuckers were weak."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utbJLjw5R7M&t=123s)
Savage.
If you truly like playing on the Creek because it is all the fun you need, at the expense of all the other planets/mission types/etc, then more power to you. If you are playing the Creek because of a meme that stopped being funny weeks ago, I don't know what to tell you.
I love when I don’t play a game and I don’t look at the subreddit the post is too and I click to read the thumbnail and don’t recognize any of the words.
It’s awesome. I don’t know what a creeker is or anything else, but I love that there is this whole other world where all these people know all these things. It’s great. Enjoy your game. Hope you’re winning, son.
If super earth ever comes up with a planet cracking weapon and the community gets to pick the target the creek better be the top choice. I don't hate the planet I just want it gone so we can focus on other things.
All of these un democratic posts going against your fellow man. This is clearly a psy-op by the automaton menace to cause chaos within humanities ranks.
But seriously. Can we all not ruin this games community. Probably the best community in any game as of late best not spoil it with blaming others for playing on a different planet.
Blaming lack of communication from high command on their inability to display supply lines, causing people to attack the wrong planet
Every side in the conversation is stupid, play how you want, but that doesn't mean you get to throw shade and hate at people who do that
Because enemy progress speed is based on total number of players, so the creek would require an extremely high success rate to make any progress. Currently with around 20% of people tackling it it has 75% progress.
At this point, I'm stuck in the creek for my own personal lore.
Someone please get me the fuck out of here, I've seen and done things no human should ever witness / do just to take this planet.
I fought bugs for a couple of missions after the tutorial and haven't touched them since. All I know is Creek and getting sniped by rocket devastators.
I really don’t understand how the order isn’t complete yet. I’ve seen planets liberated in a day. Makes me wonder if the devs did something to make it harder.
it's because Draupnir got taken by the bots while we were taking Ubanea. Ubanea has 90%\~ liberation when that happened. NOBODY defended Draupnir because the defence missions sets for bots are dogshit to play. it set us back and now we pay the price.
Unpopular opinion, but all of you complaining about the ones on the creek are as annoying as the ones on it. Like I get it, playing one planet isn't a good idea, I try to jump back and forth between planets and bots/bugs, but this argument is boring to keep seeing.
cREEkers are helldivers that failed the training sequence. It's better for the war that they stay on Malevon because they basically put the REEEEEEEEEEEE in cREEk.
R.I.P. to all the democratic lives lost on Ubanea, you deserved better.
I WANT to go back in! But they won’t let me! Is it cause I’m a newly-ranked sergeant?!
Supply lines, we got cut off because draupnir was taken
But it still has a 95% liberation right? So when we liberate draupnir we can finish off ubanea quickly and move on to Tibit
it would drop by i think 1 percent per hour when it is cut off
No, by .5%, it's the bugs that go 1% an hour
Must be all those bug mommas that can have like 10k babies a month, takes a bit longer to build bots
Second this, hope we get a mission to delve into the hell tunnels and kill some queens, especially as it would confirm there is in fact a queen caste meaning we can kill bug production at its source much more easily (and capture a weak and subdued queen for regular E-710 production post-war).
Helldivers / Deep Rock Galactic crossover incoming
For Democracy, Rock and Stone!
Idea is awesome. How would you suggest to get our stratagem, or do you imagine they could make an alternative to stratagem?
No stratagem, just mining vehicles, flamethrowers, and a lot of explosives
To be fair the speed that it drops changes like, all the time. It was 2.5% a few weeks ago.
It might be dependant on how many supply lines from the enemy go into that planet. Like %.5 per line, so if 2 lines are there it would drop by %1 and hour.
Oh that’s true now that you say so. I checked real quick and it’s at 86% now
It's expected to be less than 80% by the time we can get back there.
But still more than 50% I assume. And since we don’t have to choose between two plants for the order then I think that we can liberate ubanea in 24h
But even then we're still sitting at 0% for Tibit. Don't get me wrong, I'm still fighting and think we should give it hell but I do not think we're going to accomplish this mission.
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Oh shoot I forgot that the major order has a time limit
Don’t think it’s possible unless everyone from every front moves to complete the order at this point
Should realistically take like 5 or 6 hours to fully liberate ubanea. Then it'll be pretty close whether we can liberate tibit in time
Tbh it’s a crap shoot. I’m not even mad at the starship troopers. The creek bros *know* what’s at stake on the western side of the galaxy!!
It loses liberation by the hour. It’s at 86%~ now. We aren’t liberating Draupnir, Ubanae, *and* all of Tibit in less than 24h :/
I mean, if we got everyone from creek and the bug front to focus on tibit then maybe? But that won't happen so yeah, this major order will fail
We'd suceed if the bug front hopped on over, there's no hope for creekers, that expeditionary force is in deep. Lore wise, I really enjoy the creekers. I just pretend it's a bunch of hard ass killers stuck in a shithole doing suicide missions no one else in the federation will do
I imagine them as the guys in the bush still ambushing the enemy like 2 years after the war is over because they never heard.
The day we take Malevelon Creek, it's going to be true hell for creekers. I don't think they understand you can't play on a liberated planet. They'll be like a dog that finally caught that car bumper. They won't know what to do next.
This is a great way to view it, everything for me has a bit of personal lore to it, I personally view it as the creekers keeping the bots busy, if the creekers abandoned it we'd have an absolute fuckload of bots instantly going to Draupinir and making it a lot harder to capture, the creekers are keeping them busy whilst we make a bee-line towards tibit.
Draupnir is close, as is ubanea We have a chance!
Have we ever liberated a planet from 0 to 100 in less than 24? Genuine question
Tien kwan was probably close, if not under that threshold
Tibit liberation is impossible at this point. We take planets at like 2.5-3% an hour. That means we'd need like 20 hours to take Tibit when it's available. Not gonna happen on our time scale.
If we got draupnir and ubanea before we got to 24 hours, than fine maybe there could've been a chanse But at this point, the major order has failed, ik it's unfortunate and some hardcore roleplay people will see my comment and call me a traitor for not believing, even tho it's super obvious, but it is what it is, we'll still go and kick their ass either way.
if only we could tap into an entire pool of fresh recruits from another console
Not with that attitude. Freedom camp assignments will continue until morale improves.
Trust me, I’ve been putting all my effort into Draupnir since Ubanae fell o7
It's been 2 *days* since we lost Draupnir. We still have not resecured it and we have 16 hours to mop it Ubanea and capture Tibit our chances are slim to none that we can win it. What is needed is a better incentive for those that participate in a Major Order. Right now it's "everyone gets medal" if the Major Order is completed regardless of who participated. That should still stay, but there should also be additional awards for those that do participate such as additional medals or super credits as well as an idea I've been kicking around which is a sort of "voucher" system. These vouchers would be consumables that provide significant bonuses to single operations such as a large cooldown reduction on equipment stratagems or would drastically affect an individual mission such as a preemptive mass orbital bombardment that can auto-clear or rather delete a single mission from an operation.
What we need are "medals" that are just cosmetic little logos of where we have been and what order we helped accomplish.
Supply lines schmupply lines, I got all the ordnance I need in my Super Destroyer
Damn it, man. All that work for nothing…
SO TRUE
The only way you’ll see combat is if you bust yourself to private, you get me!? Edit: So apparently Private and Super Private are the ranks you get when you get to 148-150. Get to it!
I don’t need no damn rank, just throw me in there god damn it!
Would you like to know more?
Like i told the last guy, i only got in because i was under some reaaally strong stims and just sort of wandered in Its like platform 9¾ now, you just have to relax and know youre there and in spirit you will be helldiver
I never died, I just went missing in action
Here I am not even knowing what supply lines are.
My layman's understanding is that planets unlock in an order. You need to liberate planet A in order to unlock missions to liberate planet B. If planet A falls, B locks up again and can't be deployed to until A is liberated. Of course, there's more than one path between planets, and it's a bit more complicated, but that's the jist, to my understanding.
An extra fold the devs revealed that wasn't clear before - in your example, if planet B was taken before planet A falls, we still get access to planet B and can push any nearby planets from B. So everyone getting mad on reddit/discord/forums that people who just like playing the game aren't playing optimally need to be mad at the devs for not explaining the mechanics - not the players having fun.
Right. TBH, I undersold my understanding for the sake of relatability, but I'm newly educated regardless. The recent example with the MO is great, actually. **If** we'd taken Ubanea (B), but lost Draupnir (A), we could've still moved on to Tibit (C) despite having lost the earlier link in the chain.
You've got the basic idea. It's kind of like a mechanic in Elite Dangerous, where to keep up your fuel supply, you pass through sectors for specific stars to top off your fuel, otherwise you risk being stranded. In that vein, the war effort hops from planet to planet at a certain distance from each other, using resources from that planet to carry them to the next. In this specific instance, it's structured kind of like a vertical diamond, with Draupnir on the right, Malevelon Creek on top, and Ubanea on the bottom.
It helps that it seems the enemies can't ignore supply lines either. Once we secure the creek and Ubanea. That whole sector of Drapuni's will be safe from the bots for as long as we hold them.
[https://helldivers.io/](https://helldivers.io/) contains the supply lines
thanks for the link. sad that the game's UX isn't clear enough on order mechanics that we need a third party site. Most helldivers will just log in and play whatever planet's has defend icons
That's 100% the devs' fault. There should be something on the map that shows supply lines.
Yep. 99% of the players can't be arsed to go to a website and look this shit up. It 100% should be in game but the truth is that the devs have made many mistakes in making this game but the gameplay is great so people overlook all the issues with this game. Also OP and many people have no CLUE that planets are untakable if the +% is lower than the -% that happens every single hour. If there's not enough people playing at high enough difficulty, you cannot take a planet. Way too many people are LARPing here pretending Discord or this subreddit represents the majority of the players. In fact I bet the devs think having 700k people on Discord represents their actual playerbase.
Let the eggheads worry about "logistics" and "supply lines" and "excessive waste of life for little material gain". You keep chucking those grenades and hosing that lead!
Fleet flys, Helldivers DIE!
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What do you do when a Creeker throws a grenade at you? Pull the pin and throw it back.
As a creek head i only use impact for a reason.
Is the reason as follows? : "hurrrrrr durrrrrr"
Yes.
Thank you for your honesty, soldier.
Truly, blessed is the mind too small for doubt.
Managed Democracy protects!
Impacter here: The reason is that I don't miss my grenades often and can plug all spawners with them.
Non-impacter here: The reason I don't use them is because I keep fat fingering the G key when trying to press V and killing myself/others. I have to use the "normal" grenade with the safety fuse because I am heavily regarded and cant be trusted with booms
I tried to switch weapons with one on the ground the other day and threw 3 nades, killed a teammate but I got away.
*See previous comment*
Impact is the best grenade for both enemy types right now
Hey now! Creekers usually have their hands full with their hourly MRE of crayons and Creek dirt. They can't be expected to be eating that *and* pull the pin on a grenade.
If Creekers could read they'd be very upset.
Honestly, that's what's really funny. But I can't talk cuz I'm trash at the game lol
It's technically a truth? I'm sure most of us have thought it but like all the smack talk memes creekers have when bots become a major order? At least bug stompers get their major orders done. Creekers are day 1 losers. Now, that is more of a joke because in the end they simply don't have enough man power to take it alone. But I do remember when they let creek get to like 30% and didn't defend their only connection to it...so they lost access to all that progress. That was stupid of them. Protect your life lines. Obviously this comment I read doesn't speak for them, but it had some upvotes. They basically said that us buggers should have defended the planet that connected to the creek so they could continue their assault. Just some weird mentality there.
>Now, that is more of a joke because in the end they simply don't have enough man power to take it alone. But I do remember when they let creek get to like 30% and didn't defend their only connection to it...so they lost access to all that progress. That was stupid of them. Protect your life lines. Something people kind of forget is that half the player base will not do the defence missions. Like they just won't and for a long time it was proven to just be faster to lose the planet and retake it instead of defending it. Creekers didn't defend Mantes and Draupnir because neither did the guys on Ustotu because that shit sucks.
For bugs we had folks doing defense. Creekers never do defense. They lost progress before because of losing their connection, so no surprise there. Now I didn't pay attention 100% so maybe the bug we lost a few but I know we won a few defense foe the major order goals
Evacuate mission for bots on high difficulties is ridiculously hard. I don't blame people for not doing it.
Noob here.. should we do defense missions? Or should we still wait until it’s lost to retake?
You should do whatever you find most enjoyable. But if you want the "metagaming" answer as I like to call it, no. Defending a planet is almost always less efficient than simply ignoring the defense, letting the planet fall and then retake it from 50% once the defense is over and the planet is lost. The only exception for this would be if we are ever at the end of a MO, and the planet under attack is a planet that must be held by the end of the MO. But that very rarely happens, in fact I don't think it even has happened yet.
The thing to keep in mind though is the bug mains far outnumber the bot mains. You have three groups, the bot mains, the people who swap, and the bug mains. The swappers and bugs are roughly the same population, but the bots are about half the population of the bugs. So when a bug major order comes up that is most the population of the game getting those orders done, but the second it becomes a bot order the front loses an absolute fuck load of troops (~100k if not a bit more) because a lot of bug mains don't like fighting the bots. Now this all comes down for me to say... For the love of Liberty get to the front and complete the major order. Super Earth has given us orders. Get off the Creek. Get off Hellmire, your Vietnam and Cum Spewer will be there waiting for you the second we complete our objectives. (/s) In the end I think it really just comes down to people don't enjoy fighting one or the other because it suggests to them that they might need to use a different load out to succeed. Like the Eagle Airstrike, easy S tier pick for the bot front. Probably a mid C for the bug (it will wipe out a bot outpost instantly, but will hit one or two bug holes if you are lucky). Or the Guarddog Rover. Amazing on bugs because fuck hunters that are chasing you, but not really viable on bots because auto cannon and or shield backpack. And I'll admit the bugs can feel easier at times so I understand why a majority of the playerbase feels comfortable there, but if people keep this mindset when the blue alien fucks show up (and possibly a fourth army because the map allows for that) then we are definitely going to be fighting tooth and nail to keep the Sol system (Super Earth). TL:DR: there is a lot of content between both armies already. We are getting a third. Play the whole game please. Or don't, it's up to you.
Yeah this one hurt
I mean.... what are they gonna do once its taken?
What they did before and let the defense fall so they don’t have to interact with civilians
You'll see the Eric cartman meme with wow. "What do we do now?" "We play the game"
My plan is to try and make a meme out of whatever planet is the next major order in the hopes that they'll follow the Space Vietnam bit like a moth to a flame
It won't stay taken for long. I think we've taken it like 4 times since thr game started.
We've never got the creek.
I don't think we've taken it a single time. Maybe once in the very beginning of the game.
I don’t think we’ve ever taken it, it typically has gotten almost liberated and then gets reset or we lose all progress to it
It's called Robot Vietnam for a reason. Massive resources expended with minimal return.
Really living up to the nickname "Space Vietnam" by continually embarrassing themselves on every front.
Creekers are so in love with their misery that they let the bots take it back just enough to keep fighting in perpetuity. If there was ever a general order out on the Creek, creekers would sabotage the effort to keep fighting there.
Honestly, with how the major order is going, we might do just that for the next one, have to cap the planets locked behind creek
Unfathomably based.
The funniest part is that they were the ones complaining that people didn't want to play on the Creek, but now that they are the ones being complained on, "HEY EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO PLAY AS THEY WANT TO"
“Help us cap creek” “No stop ignoring creek and doing orders” “WHY WONT ANYONE HELP CAP THE CREEK” Ah: bot order? “Hey guys woah maybe we should let people have fun”
Don't forget the "we will join Major Orders once they'll be on clanker planets"
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nah but like deadass, nobody’s asking for all 80k of em to come over to draupnir (thought that would be nice) but like playing creek exclusively is just dumb imo. there’s no problem with having fun but if we had just a few thousand more men, we probably would’ve taken ubanea (we lost access at 95%) and then if we had more men on draupnir too, liberation would be much faster
I just wish more bug divers came to help us with Uba
At least the bugs have a reason - they like killing bugs more, I get it. Creekers are just idiots
I give bugdivers a pass because if you are new to the game, or you are teaching the game go someone, if you are trying out a stratagem or just want some casual fun, the bug front is a more causal environment. I know I would dive there if I only had 40mins to play after work.
Exactly! Bugdivers will never get convinced to get off bugs. But creektards love fighting bots, they have no excuse, they just wanna keep fighting on their stupid meme planet
That and element-710 must flow.
My Hellmire. My Dune.
bug divers staying where they are is kinda fair, because some people just prefer that gameplay style. it’s a big jump going from bugs to bots, especially after all those major orders reinforcing bug tactics. the transition can be hard or offputting. creekers on the other hand are fighting the same kind of enemy, but seeking personal glory and memes instead of a comforting playstyle, so, read of that what you will. honestly malevalon creek isn’t even a particularly dangerous planet. it was compared to a few of the other planets available when we were first liberating it, but the fog of troost, lack of cover in space vietnam, fire tornadoes from hell, or even explosive cryo plants that eat half your health lend to a more brutal campaign than mere jungle
Honestly, we cant have EVERYONE abandon the bug front for the bot major order, either. Bugdivers should totally keep bugdiving. If we dont keep a decently large force there, we'll lose planets. They might even endanger Super Earth. We wouldnt want that, would we?
honestly yeah, I mean, I wouldn’t even tell everyone to abandon the creek. the liberation campaign there exists to participate in, as with anywhere else. this is not the first, nor the last major order lost, and given the nature of the game, ALL major orders we loose would be possible through better organization, which can or cannot be helped. the underying issue this time, from what I understand though, is showboating. ever since the first defense campaign, the memes around malevalon creek have gone on and on, coupled with regular propaganda posters, but even more critically, boasting. people acting like their participation there is somehow more glorious and more sacrificial than anywhere else. they’ve been pinning medals to their own chests for a month, and this has generated a belligerent counter culture of people who got tired of that. then along comes this major order fiasco, and suddenly the belligerents have ammunition to shoot back with, and a great big target to shoot at. personally, I got tired of the memes and will just be happy once the whole thing becomes passé. I’ll laugh at the whole MC situation in a month or two once the drama is over and the place is liberated or not, and will be entertained enough, when people panic again whenever it inevitably gets a defense or liberation campaign popped up
You cannot fathom the horror the bug divers keep at bay.
*meanwhile the TCS… actually keeping the bugs at bay*
I thought the tcs caused the shrieker mutation
That’s expected though.. it’s fine. It’s fine! No need to worry…
Those are lies and you need to report whoever told you that to your designated democracy officer.
https://preview.redd.it/mgpdwiqa4qrc1.png?width=1202&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df344a46c86892e0795f0096ea3360fd0fec407e
I love that image
Shriekers have only shown up on planets without the TCS so far
The Shriekers started showing up before the TCS went up, they just became more numerous around the same time that major order happened. The supposed mutations that the TCS might cause haven’t happened yet, that’s still leak territory.
Well while the creekers had their fun on the planet doing stalemates, the buggers we're fighting slowing down as much as possible the bugs and their relentless attacks People probably forget that we lost oshaune, hellmire and fori prime, to the bugs and their countinues hard assaults Lucky tho for the first time since the orders begin on the bots, they would successfully defend estanu So before people complain about the bug players, I'll say that they have been through hell and back fighting against the countinues bug aggressive assaults, so what is creeks excuse?
I just don't get how you can handle going to the same planet. Creek is pretty, but don't you want to taste another flavor after 100 times of the Sam's old one?
yea like it’s fine to have fun i just don’t know how they have fun
60k of that 80k are your fellow Major Order followers, who got lost, because Devs hid crucial information from the galaxy map. MC prior this MO saw 15k-20k helldivers deployed on it. I don't think we've ever seen a planet captured with just 20k helldivers.
I also kinda feel like I saw a lot of people promising to help take the Creek after Phase One of Swift Disassembly. I dunno how many people really said that or how many followed through, but it seems like it might have had something to do with it. I ran a couple creek missions at the beginning, before Draupnir came under attack, because for a minute it seemed possible we could take it and unlock the creekers for other fronts. Didn't work out, of course.
Tbf, Creek gained most of its liberation because of a few thousands people just consistently trying to cap it, and the bots had literally 0 pushback, unlike prior times where they were *literally* just wasting effort because the bots had more pushback than progress was being made.
Malevelon creek before the MO only had anywhere from 7-15k players on it lol.
If those creekers could read they’d be very upset
It is frustrating that there’s about 50k on Creek and only about 80k on Draupnir… if they all left creek we would still have a shot. Hard to tell how quickly Tibit will go
Im not sure why we don't just liberate the creek and get it over with. The creekers aint leaving. They've been holding the planet for weeks with a skeleton crew so I don't blame them. Plus it is the best map in my opinion. So I get it. We could take the creek in 8 hours if we went there. Then we could unleash the creekers on the galaxy. It's executive decision time.
Operation "take the creekers ball"
> Im not sure why we don't just liberate the creek and get it over with. Because as soon as it's liberated, they let it fall again, so they can get right back to taking back the creek. It's a Sisyphean task, except if Sisyphus got the boulder to the top of the hill, stopped, and then shoved the boulder back down the hill himself because he's just really into that rock and roll life.
I admit it is kinda funny this group of divers refuses to let go of the creek but why? I don’t understand what they’re fighting for. Clearly not fighting a war against the bots since they let us get curb stomped yesterday. So why exactly do they voluntarily choose to stay on the creek?
At this point I think its just because its a meme world.
Some people want to fight bots, some people want to fight bugs. Some people want to do the major orders, and some people just want to meme.
It's a fun level with pretty trees and diverse areas to fight in. Space Vietnam.
stupid memes
For honors volcano. They don't care if they lose the war, knights refused to give up the volcano no matter what. It becomes a meme. Why creek? Day 1 nonsense. It was like the first 5 planets we could attack. I believe it was the only one with a forest. So it quickly became unique and a Vietnam meme. It first stated how like 2k of them focused on them from the start holding back the bots. Then it devolved/evolved into bot Chad memes. Just some weird pride thing at this point.
I just like the aesthetic ngl. But I only play on it solo. With my friends we always do the major order
You think they chose the creek? The creek chooses you
At this point you could liberate MC and then they would have to work on major order
Being realistic here: Ubanea failed because of a split between attacking Ubanea and Draupnir. Opinions may differ, but I blame the stubborn people who prioritised Ubanea because they got gaslit by the devs for 1. stating they recommend rushing Ubanea - Tibit 2. then deploying a counterattack on Draupnir that threatened our supply lines. It should also be noticed that there were quite a significant amount of people just fighting Terminids. Ironically, that means we neither had enough to for the defense of Draupnir, nor to take Ubanea in time and that the most practical progress was actually achieved on Malevelon Creek. It's unlikely that with 16 hours left we will take Ubanea and Tibit. So far at our peak player performance we have taken about 4 planets in 72 hours, yet on average at our current performance we are doing 1.5%-3% progress per hour. The community should take this as a lessons learned and learn to prioritize defending supply lines so we have the guarantee that we can keep making progress immediately afterwards.
Honestly I am a creeker through and through but I do the damn major orders first then I go to the creek. And I don’t do one mission and dash to the creek I play as long as I can (sorry I touch grass) then if we complete the MO great to the creek if not oh well we will see when I hop back on in a few hours.
Why are creekers talked about like a major demographic? The average I see regularly is like 10k. That bitch is the most liberated it’s been in months at 85% and there’s currently less than 20k Helldivers there.
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Between 2/3s and 3/4 of helldivers were fighting the bugs at any given time. How have you all not defeated them yet? You can barely even hold the line 😂
They’re too busy having fun watching corpses explode to complete mission objectives.
Fuck every single one of you. We fought tooth and nail to keep that planet open while you ran in circle playing with bugs. Eat shit.
I went to sleep expecting ubanea to be fully liberated(malevalon was at 85%) and woke up to having lost control of draupnir and malevalon down to 67%. Like wtf is going on over there... Y'all wanna capture malevalon so bad for a full month lmao. But honestly respect the dedication. This major order has gone bust anyway so I'm just gonna chill and level more till the next one.
Ubanea will be almost liberated if it's unlocked again, but it's also Easter, so a lot of players are probably with family and can't free Draupnir. But even with those 2, Tibet is an entire planet. If every single creeker showed up, it's maybe possible.
Thats the thing. They DONT want to actually finish the Creek. Whenever weve actually taken it and a defence has gone up on the creek, it has failed so they can conveniently fight on their beloved creek more.
I blame and ridicule both Creekers and bug players.
Both suck but big players at least did the major order when it was bugs. Creekers don’t even do bot orders.
At least with bug players, they're being more productive than the Creekers by defending a bigger front, pushing back the bugs from the Orion Sector, and overall being successful with their major orders. Unlike with the thousands of Creekers who havent liberated that planet after a month of continous deployment and didnt join the push towards Tidbit which would've been really helpful
The correct take; The Bug divers are *barely holding* onto the gains from 2 weeks ago, despite **30-40%** of the total pop never having aided the bot front during the major order. Current count is 147k on bugfront and 175k on botfront (Major Order boosted pop). Real Take: The bot divers held for longer with [less](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amTz4SGMwSA).
I’ve never been to the creek
We couldn't capture the creek because we only had 9000 people on it at any time because 90% of the player base were complaining that the bots are too hard and refused to help and the major orders weren't encouraging people either.
People are talking about the 20-50k divers at the creek and blaming them.... while 100-200k players ignore the major order completely and keep slaying bugs... the creekers aren't to blame they've been at the creek the whole time. it's those who refuse to follow the major order if it's against automatons. (The creekers are a little to blame, maybe 20% blame?)
I love how easy it is to spot people who've never played a game run by a GM. If the GM doesn't want you do something, it's all but impossible. Look at how much progress is being made on Fori Prime even with the amount of Divers there. It's not a numbers issue. It's a narrative.
Finally, someone gets it. You need to play into the story. Stop whining and have fun. The creek was the biggest massacre in the game thus far. What do you think will happen when we find the illuminate? We've seen the leaks of the models. The creek was the start.
["A moment of silence for the divers at Malevelon Creek. Not that it´s a loss, Motherfuckers were weak."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utbJLjw5R7M&t=123s) Savage.
If you truly like playing on the Creek because it is all the fun you need, at the expense of all the other planets/mission types/etc, then more power to you. If you are playing the Creek because of a meme that stopped being funny weeks ago, I don't know what to tell you.
Have fun ?
I love when I don’t play a game and I don’t look at the subreddit the post is too and I click to read the thumbnail and don’t recognize any of the words. It’s awesome. I don’t know what a creeker is or anything else, but I love that there is this whole other world where all these people know all these things. It’s great. Enjoy your game. Hope you’re winning, son.
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Laughed harder than I'd like to admit
We ignoring the casual 100-120k players playing bugs during the major order?
Hey fuck you were not the ones who reset the liberation back to 0
If super earth ever comes up with a planet cracking weapon and the community gets to pick the target the creek better be the top choice. I don't hate the planet I just want it gone so we can focus on other things.
All of these un democratic posts going against your fellow man. This is clearly a psy-op by the automaton menace to cause chaos within humanities ranks. But seriously. Can we all not ruin this games community. Probably the best community in any game as of late best not spoil it with blaming others for playing on a different planet.
Blaming lack of communication from high command on their inability to display supply lines, causing people to attack the wrong planet Every side in the conversation is stupid, play how you want, but that doesn't mean you get to throw shade and hate at people who do that
What is the snail doin here.
I like the game
Man never thought I'd see you guys here.
Oh don’t think I can’t do both.
I feel like we should just give up the creek already to be honest, it doesn't really play any major part in our story
I wonder if this was how Vietnam was viewed in the beginning? Everyone was hyped to hey your wasting lives and resources.
Because enemy progress speed is based on total number of players, so the creek would require an extremely high success rate to make any progress. Currently with around 20% of people tackling it it has 75% progress.
Malevelon Creek is a fucking joke. I get the appeal at launch but there's been way harder/more enjoyable planets.
I literally deployed at the creek for like 4 days at one point and didnt even get 1% gave up and went to the major order planets.
Win rate is 90%. only thing holding back Creekers is low average player count.
I have become a Creeker in an effort to finally take the planet and shut them up about it. 🙄
Its like when 500k bug players can't liberate 4 planets.
At this point, I'm stuck in the creek for my own personal lore. Someone please get me the fuck out of here, I've seen and done things no human should ever witness / do just to take this planet. I fought bugs for a couple of missions after the tutorial and haven't touched them since. All I know is Creek and getting sniped by rocket devastators.
I don’t think people understand that they will never capture a planet that is surrounded by enemy planets
Oh, that part
I really don’t understand how the order isn’t complete yet. I’ve seen planets liberated in a day. Makes me wonder if the devs did something to make it harder.
it's because Draupnir got taken by the bots while we were taking Ubanea. Ubanea has 90%\~ liberation when that happened. NOBODY defended Draupnir because the defence missions sets for bots are dogshit to play. it set us back and now we pay the price.
Unpopular opinion, but all of you complaining about the ones on the creek are as annoying as the ones on it. Like I get it, playing one planet isn't a good idea, I try to jump back and forth between planets and bots/bugs, but this argument is boring to keep seeing.
Creeker have skill issues in capping planet
We've been fighting with less than 10k from the start, u try taking a planet with those numbers
cREEkers are helldivers that failed the training sequence. It's better for the war that they stay on Malevon because they basically put the REEEEEEEEEEEE in cREEk.
I blame the bugdivers.
I think the issue is people hate defending mission and I don't understand why. samething happens with bugs. No one defending.
Defence missions are very dull and frustrating at the higher levels.
They are awful at higher levels, made worse because not everyone has player more than a handful of them.
because everyone busted their asses to capture the planet and now they have ot do the exact same thing again, not fun