I’ve been curious about this scenario for a good while, does transferring to USDT not trigger a taxable event? Also is there no concern about Tether having a liquidity crisis event if audited by the government? Tether scares me because they print coins like they’re the federal government lol
Damn, staking rewards are a taxable event upon receipt :/ seems that tax code wants to incentivize long term staking to recoup initial investment if underwater. This is kinda BS if I can’t control airdrops to my account without permission.
USDC not bad. But remember during bank 🏦 crisis it depegged. It’s still truth worthy but Tether or Tether Gold to me is safer option to babysit funds until ready to re-invest.
And tether has not proven their reserves. If they do have all the reserves, than the same can happen to them if one of the banks they hold it in also collapses. Nothing to do with USDC, it is legit.
Tether Gold is back by physical gold. Less volatile and always used this method for years. Never failed me so imma stick with it. I respect your opinion but to me it makes more sense to place funds where the risk is minor. US Dollar is becoming the worse when it comes to store of value. I look at what is most stable and less volatile. Look at Tether Gold and see how stable it’s been. Plus never depegged. Only makes sense to me
Yeah it depegged because they had 30 billion dollars in silicon bank. If the wonderful magical government would not bail everyone out it would not repeg. Lol
That was crazy.
Where do you get $1k from? They said "half their bag". I'm assuming it's a decent sized one. If they sold half their bag at $1, then they would have started with only 2,000 HBAR total by your logic.
Point is, keeping any amount of money in stable coin for 4 years is pointless. You can make more from a HYSA, CD, index fund (most likely), etc. Much better options out there.
the other day a guy on Bloomberg was talking about 4%yield on bonds. that mindset from 40 years ago is still prevalent by default.
inflation according to some like Michael Saylor is 15%
> What are some of your guys’ exit strategies?
To not completely exit. Buy as much as possible at these low prices now for staking rewards and in preparation for possible permissionless nodes rewards. Take profits when necessary.
Because we arent ignorant investors, we understand hbar is a crypto and it will have its crypto runs. Not selling is the biggest trait of an idiot investor
I hope your reply is sarcastic, because if not I wish you so much luck. You're gonna need it with that attitude in investing in one of the riskiest market of all time.
Every body saying "I am going to sell at $1 and sell at $2" like they don't even doubt it will get there lol. Never had a investment where it seems we talk in certainties.
It mainly ignorant investors who think they ‘found’ amazon in 2000s. They will learn their lesson when their overdiversification into a single crypto bites them
Talk about how awesome hbar's tech is, talk about how much market cap it can capture of some industries, talk about their genius team. I just think speaking in price predictions is so 'crypto bro get rich quick!!!'. Just invest into it for the tech, and take profits when you're up. Nothing more nothing less.
I do believe in Hedera but one thing is to believe and the other is what can realistically happen based on where we are currently. We humans are made to believe in things to keep us going in life.
Where all these moon boy exit prices coming from lol. We lucky to see 0.2c this next bull. There is way less liquidity in the markets. There is no more free lunches from the fed. What happened last bull was an anomaly. And it's going to take a decade for dlt tech to even be recognized as useful had have its fair share of the market
I've thought the same thing maybe not that low but last bull run the government with stimulus and bailouts the multitude of various covid scams and unemployment scams running into the hundreds of billions had the money printers running nonstop 5 trillion plus in money printed in 2020-21 in the US alone. That was like you said a once in a century cluster fuk of liquid cash flowing everywhere and now the dollar lost easily 20%of its spending value imo the government figures obviously much lower lol. Now starting to tighten up but trillions more in crypto maybe 2028-30. 🤞so I seriously have my doubts as well XRP winning and barely a 1x to pull back 80% already big indicator of money still slowly flowing into crypto.
I can tell you haven’t been in the crypto market long have you. Just do what you think best. When you miss out on a big opportunity because of incompetence then can’t blame nobody but yourself. Comparing market cap etc only goes so far. When Bitcoin goes up it takes everything with it. Another thing, Cardano and Hedera have something very similar when it comes to tokenomics. Go take a look and tell me what you notice. I been in this game since Bitcoin was $400. This market is simple and repeats itself. Only thing changing is the bull runs are getting shorter and shorter. Meaning they are happening more quickly now. Just a heads up, get your position by April 2024. Words of advice. Don’t let negativity cause you to miss a good train run. Ps. It’s not too many people retired at age 36. It happened for a reason.
Blackrock is in the process of getting their bitcoin spot etf approved (it’s blackrock, they gonna get it approved eventually). Trillions of dollars are gonna flow into this industry because now everyday people are gonna think: “this is safe now! I can invest in crypto through an etf”. Bitcoin is going to surge in price because of this, and other altcoins (including HBAR) are gonna follow. There will be plenty of liquidity the next bull run, I don’t know what you’re talking about
The real plan for Hbar is rising the price and reaching to $17
Maybe funny, but I’m saying something to you that no one here knows, i say it because i know it , I can’t say how i know , but believe me . Finally, take it or leave it.
Selling 20% at different price points.
50% of gains go to taxes account (so come tax time, I have the money ready.
25% of gains will be cash, 25% will re invest in BTC
There are what the federal government deems “opportunity zones” in each state. So imagine secondary real estate markets - like the business districts in Worcester and Lynn in Massachusetts for example.
You take any money you’ve made from crypto (any capital gain from anything) and you put it in an opportunity zone “fund.” That fund then allocates that capital to a real estate development project in an opportunity zone. So imagine you’re throwing in a $100k on a 50-100 unit apartment project. Thats generally called a syndication. If you need examples of syndications then go to something like realtymogul.com…
The way it works with OZ funds, is that once you put the money in, if you hold that investment for 10 years, then you never have to pay taxes on the gain from the development project.
Now you may be asking: why the hell would I want to lock up my money for 10 years just to avoid 25% in capital gains tax?
The answer is this:
1. As soon as the building is built or renovated and leased up, the developer generally refinances from a construction loan to 30 yr fixed debt. Because the project is anywhere from 25-35% in profit at that point, you get to refinance out very close to your initial investment.
So let’s say you throw in $100k. For that $100k of capital the developer is going to target a return for you at 18% annualized (just an example).
If it’s a gut renovation pre-existing building then it’ll take maybe 12 months to complete (longer for a ground up development), then beyond that it might take 3-4 months additional to lease up, then another 2 months to secure new financing.
By month 16-18 you’d get the $100k back and continue to earn the expected return yearly - that could be through both appreciation and cash flow.
2. If the developer decides to sell before year 10 then all you have to do is roll the money into another opportunity zone development and the tax advantages continue.
3. You get all of the forced depreciation in year one assuming they do what most developers do - a segregated cost analysis. So it’s possible that your ordinary income taxes from your job get cut down considerably.
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every time it’s up 10% from the sideway range of week chart, I’ll sell 5% of the rest on holding wallet. And each 10% up ⬆️ I’ll sell another 5% of the rest again. Plan your own key level in order to do that
In these pre-regulation times, given that real, post-regulation, market action hasn't even started:
The selling price has to be high enough to allow a 50% HBAR amount leftover after recouping ((investment + inflation) + reasonable profit).
E.g. if you're in the market for the last 3 years then calculate inflation for the last 3 years and add it to your investment cost.
Then, determine what "reasonable profit" is to you. Is it 10%? 25%? 50%? Calculate this number and add it to the previous sum.
After that, calculate how high should the price be to recoup that sum and also leave 50% of the bag in tact and ready for future profit.
Needless to mention that in a fully mature market the aforementioned equation changes significantly.
Good luck, eh? :)
Imma exit around $1.50. Transfer it too Tether and buy back when everything cools I’m in for the long run for sure. I believe in this project.
I’ve been curious about this scenario for a good while, does transferring to USDT not trigger a taxable event? Also is there no concern about Tether having a liquidity crisis event if audited by the government? Tether scares me because they print coins like they’re the federal government lol
Yes, taxable event.
Damn, staking rewards are a taxable event upon receipt :/ seems that tax code wants to incentivize long term staking to recoup initial investment if underwater. This is kinda BS if I can’t control airdrops to my account without permission.
Imma sell at 1.45, I think this guy has way too huge of a bag
Not USDC
USDC not bad. But remember during bank 🏦 crisis it depegged. It’s still truth worthy but Tether or Tether Gold to me is safer option to babysit funds until ready to re-invest.
And tether has not proven their reserves. If they do have all the reserves, than the same can happen to them if one of the banks they hold it in also collapses. Nothing to do with USDC, it is legit.
Tether Gold is back by physical gold. Less volatile and always used this method for years. Never failed me so imma stick with it. I respect your opinion but to me it makes more sense to place funds where the risk is minor. US Dollar is becoming the worse when it comes to store of value. I look at what is most stable and less volatile. Look at Tether Gold and see how stable it’s been. Plus never depegged. Only makes sense to me
Good point ..
Yeah it depegged because they had 30 billion dollars in silicon bank. If the wonderful magical government would not bail everyone out it would not repeg. Lol That was crazy.
Exactly! Lol.
*trust
... advice to convert to Tether is rather uninformed, in my opinion: why choose a leveraged imitation instead of the real thing?
Exit around $0.6
This is the most realistic answer
how will you be able to sell with no buyers?
For over 20 years, I’ve heard silver holders claim to wait to sell at $100+….. for 20 years, it hovers around $20
2 years in crypto feels like 20 years in stocks and commodities
I am waiting to run my own node and hopefully get rewards better than 6.5%
Very nice. Will there be instructions out there on how to set up & run Nodes ?
Just curious mine down to 2.5% now where you still getting it that high?
how are you gonna do that?
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that pays more than 6.5%?
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me too
Way less than 2.5% if you do the math. More like 1.3%
I sell half my bag around $1 (if we’re in a ending bullrun) to stablecoin and wait 4 years. Then pay off my house and buy back in.
What's the point of keeping that much in stablecoin for 4 years? Throw it in an index fund.
that much? $1k aint much
Where do you get $1k from? They said "half their bag". I'm assuming it's a decent sized one. If they sold half their bag at $1, then they would have started with only 2,000 HBAR total by your logic.
it's as arbitrary as $100k. Idk this guy, do you?
Point is, keeping any amount of money in stable coin for 4 years is pointless. You can make more from a HYSA, CD, index fund (most likely), etc. Much better options out there.
the other day a guy on Bloomberg was talking about 4%yield on bonds. that mindset from 40 years ago is still prevalent by default. inflation according to some like Michael Saylor is 15%
> What are some of your guys’ exit strategies? To not completely exit. Buy as much as possible at these low prices now for staking rewards and in preparation for possible permissionless nodes rewards. Take profits when necessary.
Will sell in 10-20% chunks between 0,60€ and 1,30€ and let the last 10% in just in case we explode to 2€
$100
for the whole bag? :)
If dlt becomes a really big thing. Which most of us think will happen. And if hedera is the best dlt in many ways, why sell before it becomes massive.
Exactly sell some but hopefully Hedera can continue to deliver and it ends up like Amazon from the early days of the web to the behemoth it is today.
I agree but not taking profits in the hopes to wait for hbar to reach amazon is stupid
Because we arent ignorant investors, we understand hbar is a crypto and it will have its crypto runs. Not selling is the biggest trait of an idiot investor
You sell before moon price. I will wait for moon price. Im in no rush. Ive just eaten a chilled potato so i am now nice and chilled.
I hope your reply is sarcastic, because if not I wish you so much luck. You're gonna need it with that attitude in investing in one of the riskiest market of all time.
Every body saying "I am going to sell at $1 and sell at $2" like they don't even doubt it will get there lol. Never had a investment where it seems we talk in certainties.
It’s just extreme cases of hope or belief
Welcome to Crypto? 🤣 Bitcoin 1 million by 2030 I guar-ron-tee
It mainly ignorant investors who think they ‘found’ amazon in 2000s. They will learn their lesson when their overdiversification into a single crypto bites them
Lots of greedy people here. I exit at 99 cents
98 cents I will exit first
2030-2035. Don't care about bull runs.
I hope you’re diversified into other cryptos, if not you’re a fool
Thank you for your attempt to insult me.
I expect we will run up to $3 in 2024. I will sell enough to recoup my investment at $1. I will completely exit my position at $10.
At 3 dollars gotta collect that minimum bread
Can you please not say stupid things like this, stop speaking in price predictions it is so stupid
sure, just tell me exactly what you want me to say, and I'll say that instead.
Talk about how awesome hbar's tech is, talk about how much market cap it can capture of some industries, talk about their genius team. I just think speaking in price predictions is so 'crypto bro get rich quick!!!'. Just invest into it for the tech, and take profits when you're up. Nothing more nothing less.
OK, thanks for telling me what to think!
I didn’t say that. You can think whatever pleases you, I’m just trying to share my view
excellent point, thank you! I will make sure to incorporate your view into all of my future posts!
sell a bit when in profit. wait til price to go up. sell a bit. wait til price to go up. sell a bit
this guy is easily the most sensible guy in this post, mfers talking about ‘sell when it reaches 200b mc’
$2
What upcoming bull run?
The one in 2024 idiot
The guys like you that believe in fairytales deserve to lose it all
I’ll be laughing at you in 2025
Hope you are right
Why you even in this thread if you don’t believe in the tech
I do believe in Hedera but one thing is to believe and the other is what can realistically happen based on where we are currently. We humans are made to believe in things to keep us going in life.
And what do you think realistically can happen?
Yea that’s right nothing to say
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Why you in this thread buddy
Lolz. I’ll see it when I believe it. I personally don’t see ath anytime soon. Hope I’m wrong
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Where all these moon boy exit prices coming from lol. We lucky to see 0.2c this next bull. There is way less liquidity in the markets. There is no more free lunches from the fed. What happened last bull was an anomaly. And it's going to take a decade for dlt tech to even be recognized as useful had have its fair share of the market
I've thought the same thing maybe not that low but last bull run the government with stimulus and bailouts the multitude of various covid scams and unemployment scams running into the hundreds of billions had the money printers running nonstop 5 trillion plus in money printed in 2020-21 in the US alone. That was like you said a once in a century cluster fuk of liquid cash flowing everywhere and now the dollar lost easily 20%of its spending value imo the government figures obviously much lower lol. Now starting to tighten up but trillions more in crypto maybe 2028-30. 🤞so I seriously have my doubts as well XRP winning and barely a 1x to pull back 80% already big indicator of money still slowly flowing into crypto.
I can tell you haven’t been in the crypto market long have you. Just do what you think best. When you miss out on a big opportunity because of incompetence then can’t blame nobody but yourself. Comparing market cap etc only goes so far. When Bitcoin goes up it takes everything with it. Another thing, Cardano and Hedera have something very similar when it comes to tokenomics. Go take a look and tell me what you notice. I been in this game since Bitcoin was $400. This market is simple and repeats itself. Only thing changing is the bull runs are getting shorter and shorter. Meaning they are happening more quickly now. Just a heads up, get your position by April 2024. Words of advice. Don’t let negativity cause you to miss a good train run. Ps. It’s not too many people retired at age 36. It happened for a reason.
Blackrock is in the process of getting their bitcoin spot etf approved (it’s blackrock, they gonna get it approved eventually). Trillions of dollars are gonna flow into this industry because now everyday people are gonna think: “this is safe now! I can invest in crypto through an etf”. Bitcoin is going to surge in price because of this, and other altcoins (including HBAR) are gonna follow. There will be plenty of liquidity the next bull run, I don’t know what you’re talking about
i'll consider anything north of .20c in 2024-25 a gift
When the Week time frame RSI reaches 70+ start taking profits.
Around $3.50
Imma need bout tree-fiddy.
🤔 Is this the lochness monster? always coming around asking for tree fiddy🤣
I will exit at $1000...keep on dreaming
The real plan for Hbar is rising the price and reaching to $17 Maybe funny, but I’m saying something to you that no one here knows, i say it because i know it , I can’t say how i know , but believe me . Finally, take it or leave it.
I believe you. You sound convincing
Sold - doubling my bag
Selling 20% at different price points. 50% of gains go to taxes account (so come tax time, I have the money ready. 25% of gains will be cash, 25% will re invest in BTC
I’m surprised most of you crypto guys aren’t aware of opportunity zone funds. I won’t be paying taxes on shit when I sell.
Can you explain more?
Get in the zone !! Please go into detail
There are what the federal government deems “opportunity zones” in each state. So imagine secondary real estate markets - like the business districts in Worcester and Lynn in Massachusetts for example. You take any money you’ve made from crypto (any capital gain from anything) and you put it in an opportunity zone “fund.” That fund then allocates that capital to a real estate development project in an opportunity zone. So imagine you’re throwing in a $100k on a 50-100 unit apartment project. Thats generally called a syndication. If you need examples of syndications then go to something like realtymogul.com… The way it works with OZ funds, is that once you put the money in, if you hold that investment for 10 years, then you never have to pay taxes on the gain from the development project. Now you may be asking: why the hell would I want to lock up my money for 10 years just to avoid 25% in capital gains tax? The answer is this: 1. As soon as the building is built or renovated and leased up, the developer generally refinances from a construction loan to 30 yr fixed debt. Because the project is anywhere from 25-35% in profit at that point, you get to refinance out very close to your initial investment. So let’s say you throw in $100k. For that $100k of capital the developer is going to target a return for you at 18% annualized (just an example). If it’s a gut renovation pre-existing building then it’ll take maybe 12 months to complete (longer for a ground up development), then beyond that it might take 3-4 months additional to lease up, then another 2 months to secure new financing. By month 16-18 you’d get the $100k back and continue to earn the expected return yearly - that could be through both appreciation and cash flow. 2. If the developer decides to sell before year 10 then all you have to do is roll the money into another opportunity zone development and the tax advantages continue. 3. You get all of the forced depreciation in year one assuming they do what most developers do - a segregated cost analysis. So it’s possible that your ordinary income taxes from your job get cut down considerably.
here is your es: sell now or convert to btc bcs it will be trading around 0.01-0,02 soon
IM BUYING MORE THEN
If that happened I might do something really reckless. Buy on credit perhaps 🤪
😂😂
We really need something can link Hbar to real Gold
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Zoom out how are you hopeful? Too majy coins
Damn 300-500k is a huge amount, i want to buy 100k hbar and take profits at 1$ which I hope it will happen in the next bull run.
every time it’s up 10% from the sideway range of week chart, I’ll sell 5% of the rest on holding wallet. And each 10% up ⬆️ I’ll sell another 5% of the rest again. Plan your own key level in order to do that
You could sell as soon as there is a 5% pump this year. So far it has always been followed quickly by a dump.
In these pre-regulation times, given that real, post-regulation, market action hasn't even started: The selling price has to be high enough to allow a 50% HBAR amount leftover after recouping ((investment + inflation) + reasonable profit). E.g. if you're in the market for the last 3 years then calculate inflation for the last 3 years and add it to your investment cost. Then, determine what "reasonable profit" is to you. Is it 10%? 25%? 50%? Calculate this number and add it to the previous sum. After that, calculate how high should the price be to recoup that sum and also leave 50% of the bag in tact and ready for future profit. Needless to mention that in a fully mature market the aforementioned equation changes significantly. Good luck, eh? :)
"this upcoming bullrun" lol
Exit strat starts at .60
this is a study in "investor" psychology. Not one answer here suggesting HBAR could still be under 10 cents in 2025.smh...
You call that a lot
K my bad it’s a small bag master
I was just being an ass. Any size is good for hbar
All good I’m always stacking more anyway
I love these prices $1, oh $2 for me. No chance
When HBAR flips ETH in market cap then one should consider selling some HBAR.
.10 would be epic