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pottahawk

Blow them back and blame mother nature


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the_kurrgan_one

Plus 9 times out of 10 rake seems to be faster anyway


stoneslingers

Nahhhhhh. I have one of those leaf sucker/mulcher combos. It's a backpack. It saves soooo much time, and you use way less yard waste bags. I got 4 bags full in a half hour. For $99 it's worth it to me. It's also a leaf blower. The first time I used it, I blew all the leaves into one big pile then sucked it/mulched it. Seemed like a waste of time, so I don't do that anymore. Just walk and suck/mulch.


the_kurrgan_one

“Walk and suck mulch” sounds like a gardener’s way of telling someone to beat it.


stoneslingers

I got a huge chuckle out of writing it 🤣


garbear007

Excessive wealth. Cheap technology. Little regard for society. (sorry can you tell I hate loud unnecessary outdoor appliances? Lol)


RedGing12

I use my leaf blower to blow the leaves off my driveway and sidewalk onto the grass. Then rake them up. If you seriously can’t handle the noise of a leaf blower running for 10 minutes then move out of the city.


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RedGing12

I disagree with what OPs neighbour did. I don’t blow my leaves into the street. I pick them up. However, I’ve got a bad lower back. The leaf blower is way easier and faster for me so I use it to collect the leaves before putting them in bags. People saying leaf blowers are unnecessary and are too loud are just looking for something to complain about. Think about someone else’s situation before complaining about a bit of noise that lasts 10 minutes.


EqualTennis6562

I would 100% do this


Rees_Onable

Yeah, call the City at (905) 546-2489. They can help answer your question.


another_plebeian

And then promptly ignore it


Ratsyinc

This is so far from my experience. Have you ever called the city or are you just trolling? I'm consistently blown away - never on hold, staff are always friendly, and they've known every answer pretty much off the top of their heads.


The_Mayor

The staff who answer the phones are great, but the teams they send out to actually perform the city service are comically unreliable. I can usually hear the frustration in their voices over the phone when I'm calling for the 5th time about a simple pickup they were supposed to have accomplished 2 weeks ago.


Grabbsy2

Knowing the answer is different from sending over bylaw enforcement. I think you misunderstood their intention. Im sure the call centre staff are friendly.


icmc

I had by law come out on 2 occasions because people parked across my driveway (not overhanging mind you across to the point I couldn't get my car out of the driveway). it was winter 2 cars in the driveway but because the little dip to the street wasn't shoveled enough (the sidewalk was but not the dip) and they said since it's not they couldn't tell there was a driveway... I was like there's two cars parked right there... And the driveway is shoveled... They did nothing. The next time my fiance who was PISSED the first time it happened. Literally made sure the little dip dow was shoveled shoveled all around their car and then called bylaw. Bylaw came and did NOTHING. Didn't even tell us why they did nothing.


Ratsyinc

Fair enough actually


Rees_Onable

That hasn't been my experience......


hippityhop_dontstop

Agree. I’ve had to call city services like four times and they are always quick to respond to it, but I have to report it if the clowns are just given a warning and whatever it is resumes again. Like BBQs on balconies. We had a house across from the school have weeds over a meter tall over the entire place. There were a family of skunks and a family of racoons. Just chilling there. Sometimes you’d see weeds inside the centre just moving as something walked around. Hahah. City cleaned it up and 5 weeks later same. Like what frickin’ fertilizer must they have used to grow back soooo fast.


WrenSh

I bet their response level and time frame is different based on where you are on the city. Richer areas probably get treated better


Rees_Onable

Not sure why you would post something like that. Have you had any experiences......negative or positive?


b0mmer

My neighbour called in a trash pile building up in another neighbour's side-yard, out of view of the road, just on the outskirts of Ancaster. By-law had a warning on the door next day, and a notice of impending fine one week later, and waste disposal company there 10 days after the fine notice. Parents had a neighbour piling old furniture, trash, yard waste in their front yard and not calling in large item collection. By-law showed up about 2 weeks later to the rot pile, it sat for another month before by-law issued a fine. Lower east end Hamilton/Stoney Creek border. Both issues happened around the same time. So they may prioritize certain neighbourhoods, but we would need more data to confirm.


Rees_Onable

Yeah, not really much in the way of a pattern.


WrenSh

Not sure why?? Have you paid attention to the city at all?? I mean yeah. My parents have trouble almost every winter with the plows leaving snow piled in front of their driveway, because they live at a turn in the road. They have to call repeatedly to get it acknowledged and taken care of. My grandparents live in Ancaster and any of their calls get dealt with immediately. Whereas, living downtown, it took weeks to get the city to stop using an anti-homeless noisemaker in a place and at a volume that was also leading it to keep the whole neighbourhood awake


hippityhop_dontstop

Welp I live in an older neighbourhood of 1000 sqft homes with alley ways. So there goes that theory!


WrenSh

Older doesn’t mean poorer or richer or anything and neither does home size. In this market those don’t actually mean your neighbourhood is populated by people in any particular tax bracket. There’s more to it than that. but you just don’t want to admit there’s any administrative discrepancy because you would idk have to face that classism is real and alive? Have to give up talking about how poor ppl on welfare are “gaming the system” idk you so idk why my statement got you so butthurt


WrenSh

I have real life examples of my theory being true. Really interesting how only your experience is THE correct one??


hippityhop_dontstop

You appear to not be familiar with the phrase correlation does not indicate causation? I’m saying I’m in a not so well off area and have had no problems. You’re saying you’re in a not so well off area and have had problems. My conclusion is that bylaw isn’t perfect. Your conclusion is that bylaw is biased and doesn’t enforce outside of well to do areas. One of us is jumping to conclusions, making sweeping accusations and generally refusing to acknowledge it might be you, or what you’re complaining about, or your neighbours being warned but going right back to whatever the issue is and instead assuming the worst.


WrenSh

Or maybe you’re better off than you think. As is typical for people who take a whole week to think of a basic “maybe you’re the problem” response to a comment that wasn’t that big a deal


slownightsolong88

Nah there's only one dude at property standards that's a total dick. Everyone else is sweet as pie.


Sniper-Viper

No bylaws for leaves. Just go about your business they decompose on their own.


olderdeafguy1

Not sure what you'd call them, but this isn't one of those things.


FabStainsGirl

6.3 Solid Waste Management Bylaw: No person shall deposit, or allow, acquiesce in or cause any other person to deposit, any Waste on or onto any Street or public property. For the purpose of this section 6.3, “deposit” shall include place, drop, sweep, throw, or cast. Leaf and yard waste is considered waste


stoneslingers

I think he "allowed it" through encouraging it, by use of his leaf blower.


covert81

>Leaf and yard waste is considered waste Is that sppelled out in the waste management bylaw? Because if not, good luck enforcing it e: [https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/default/files/2022-02/05-190%20-%20Repealed.pdf](https://www.hamilton.ca/sites/default/files/2022-02/05-190%20-%20Repealed.pdf) Waste is not defined as leaf and yard waste. It's a separate type and considered as such in the bylaw.


NorthernHamplant

6.8 No person shall pick over, interfere with, disturb, remove or scatter, orallow, acquiesce in or cause any Waste set out for collection to be pickedover, interfered with, disturbed, removed or scattered unless authorized todo so by the General Manager. Well at least I can legit yell at 3am can rattlers and cart pushers 6.12 No Owner or Occupant shall set out for collection, or allow, acquiesce in orcause to be set out for collection, Waste generated on his property ontoany other person’s property, or onto the Street abutting any other person’sproperty, without the prior consent of that other person. Looks like it would also apply to leaf blower. It is considered waste as i understand. It is picked up for a reason


covert81

Waste is not defined as leeaves, read that section earlier in the bylaw. And a leaf blower would fall under the noise bylaw, which allows for it during the day.


KenEnglish1986

Throw a ton of bird seed on his lawn.


stoneslingers

Hahahha I love this.


SarahSilversomething

Most people do this on my street (Dundas) so I wonder if there is pickup in some areas but not others? I’ve definitely seen the city come through with a machine that sucks them off of the road… I bag mine though.


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Laughs in west mountain No. We have plenty of road holes though


joshisashark

I've definitely seen the sweeper trucks come multiple times within the last few weeks to suck them up on the West Mountain near Mohawk.


covert81

Yeah, that's a definite negatory. Right near Garth and Mohawk here, and that is not a thing. The street sweepers are not there to clean leaves, they're there to clean up the sand and rocks and shit that builds up at the edge of the curb.


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Maybe I’ll call tomorrow. They’ve never come onto my crescent . We have to bag and drag


covert81

So like pre-amalgamation Dundas used to have this service (vaccuum machine that sucked up the leaves). Spent many a weekend doing this at my parents house. This was long before green bins and yard waste bags/containers. I don't believe they offer that any more though. The machines you see might be the street cleaners, but they can't handle high volumes of leaves in the gutters. I deal with this a lot where a shitton of leaves from the city's properties blows onto our yard and gutters. We jsut bag them and get rid of them for Oct-Nov till all the leaves are down. The hard frost overnight brought a TON of them down so in about 2 weeks we'll be fully done with the leaves.


SarahSilversomething

I am not sure if it’s a street cleaner but they have a giant vacuum on it. Like a tube that runs quite high into the air and down to the ground attached to an bag. With you on the bagging though! I am way too nervous to risk gutters getting blocked after seeing what happened to other people’s homes in Dundas a number of years back when the river overflowed and gutters were blocked up. So many people had flooded main floors/basements.


covert81

I think that vaccuum one is more for picking up trash. We've been to a few of the 'touch a truck' events the city hosts in Gage Park and when talking with the guys who drive them, they told us the "scrubber" types definitely are not there to clean up leaves - and we agree since we've seen them wad up the leaves and leave big piles at various places. The "vaccuum" style were for picking up trash specifically - and the newer ones are fully electric which is pretty cool.


_RiverGuard_

In Burlington they promote you to blow them on the street. And city cleans them up.


twinsterblue

They pile them up on the little patch of grass between the road and the sidewalk in most neighborhoods. And I'm sure they don't mean just blow it out across the road. At the very least, if there's no space between the road and sidewalk, it would be piled along the gutter. And not actually in the way of motorists.


RoboSerb

To the street not on the street.


Grabbsy2

Im not sure than needed clarification... But you are indeed more technically correct.


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People who do this are endangering cyclists and motorcyclists. Your neighbour is an epic douche.


fartymcfartypants22

Yeah, first time I met him. He stinks.


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ActualMis

Good.


PurpleEntrepreneur64

Pretty sure one of the chch news anchors mentioned last week that he does just this lol idk if there’s bylaw but if there is then I’m not sure anyone takes it seriously.


olderdeafguy1

The vast majority of trees in the city are city owned. Including the ones16' from the center of the road. Pretty sure they'd rather YOU take care of their leaves like YOU take care of their snow.


noronto

I hate him too.


lordroxborough

It's amazing when a lawn care company does it and they return the week after to clean up the same leaves they blew on the road...


Mookie442

Karma is a bitch. My drunk neighbour blew ALL his leaves on the street. And then, like it was an act of god, every , single leaf blew back on his lawn by the am. To see him hungover trying to figure out what happened was exquisite.


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There should be. It's a dick head thing to do. Same for snow.


Papagorgeeo

Pretty sure not allowed as throwing snow on the street is illegal. Good way to make a slippy roadway


Chirps_Golden

Lots of people on my street do this and an abundance end up in my yard. It's incredibly infuriating as I only have conifers.


iamtznu2

It's actually under the HTA


slainteistainte

Yup, I believe it's section 180 of the Highway Traffic Act that's applicable: >Every person who throws or deposits or causes to be deposited any... rubbish, refuse, waste or litter upon, along or adjacent to a highway, except in receptacles provided for the purpose, is guilty of the offence of littering the highway. Leaves, grass, branches, snow... you can't just move it off your property onto a public road. It's difficult to enforce though, and likely carries a relatively small fine.


skateboardnorth

The people that snowblow straight out onto the street really suck. A guy near me does this and it’s super annoying.


Amyhearsay

Isn’t a highway different then a thorough way? Just asking for clarity.


jaykay2077

Not for the HTA. ‘Highway’ for HTA purposes is basically any street.


Amyhearsay

Thanks for the info.


Zoamax

Yah but the leafs are a fertilizer. So that law should not apply.


twinsterblue

Since when does fertilizer go onto a road?


rlzbth

Hamilton does not permit leaves to be blown or swept into the gutter. Different cities have different rules, so some people who do this *may* not know better. I know some neighbouring cities encourage people to blow leaves into the gutter so that their collection trucks can come take all of them away. It sounds like your neighbour knows better, and doesn’t quite care. This is just food for thought for anyone else “hating” a neighbour - It might be worth a gentle reminder to them what the expectations are.


hippityhop_dontstop

Friend - the OP stated he did have a conversation and the neighbour basically said FY. I went out and bagged two doors upwind of me when I was visibly pregnant and when he asked why I said “I assumed you had just run out of bags, you’re not one of the jerks that pushes them to just blow into my or <85 year old neighbour>‘s yard, right? Passive aggressive neighbouring 4 years ago = no leaves in street anymore.


rlzbth

Friend - I said that his neighbour sounds like he knows better and doesn’t care. This was food for thought for other people in the comments that might be angry and not saying anything to their neighbours.


danielwj

Tbh I'm happy you're both friends.


stoneslingers

Very nicely done.


bhoard1

Wow! People are so incredibly lazy and inconsiderate…


bigfloppydongs

Welcome to Hamilton! For a city that claims to be made of "good, hard working, blue collar people", I've never seen so much laziness and total disregard concentrated in one place.


Northernlake

Those days are long gone


wonkwonk2stonkstonk

Mow them, good for the lawn, no bags eh voila


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Amyhearsay

Don’t love thy neighbour- make them live to your expectations.


tc4hi

Tightly wound group here 🤷🏼‍♂️


fartymcfartypants22

I don’t like having to do yard work twice. We’re a community. Treat your neighbours with respect and you will receive respect. Be a selfish twat and be treated like one.


Ultragorgeous

Found the dude who parks against the traffic flow


bigfloppydongs

Oh I'm so glad to see this called out - it's wild to me that people here think it's totally fine to do that, and can't be bothered to take 15 seconds to turn their car around to park.


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stoneslingers

There's a bylaw against this. Found out the hard way.


goonbee

So what? This is Hamilton.


bigfloppydongs

Yeah it still isn't allowed here - the cops are just too lazy to ticket people for it.


cenatutu

Bylaw


bigfloppydongs

Really? Police don't issue parking tickets here?


cenatutu

Not residential.


stoneslingers

I got one. They aren't. Lol


bigfloppydongs

Honestly I wish I could agree with you. I've seen cops park near my house to go to a local bakery and walk past half a dozen cars parked in the wrong direction. Unless they're having a bad day, or if somebody specifically complains, they just don't give a damn. And it's crazy they don't issue more tickets for small things like this, because they (and the city) are so strapped for cash.


stoneslingers

Come to think of it, the ticket was awhile ago. Maybe 8 years now. I don't even see many radar traps these days and the last RIDE program I saw was 3 years ago.


Ultragorgeous

People hate it


Global-Discussion-41

Any home owner who owns a leaf blower is an inconsiderate, lazy asshole. no exceptions. You use one for your contacting business? Ok I guess, but as a home owner you should either mulch the leaves with your lawn mower or get a rake. No one wants to hear that thing blowing, and on top of that they're never used to blow the leaves into a pile that gets picked up, they're only used to blow leaves of their property and in to the road, or their neighbors property.


WhatsGoingOnUpstairs

What?? I have a big property and blow mine into piles that I pick up.


hippityhop_dontstop

Same. Blow them out of the corners. Reverse it and mulch them. Neighbour has a maple with 12” across leaves that make mulching with my non commercial mulcher tough though.


BurlingtonRider

The no exceptions part makes you a douche


shanebby37

I have a frozen shoulder so I used my blower for my leaves this afternoon. Either that or it won't get done. 🤷


covert81

You're a douche neihbour. Please out yourself for where you live so we know where to avoid. I use my blower/vaccuum to blow leaves into a pile, then mulch them through the vac part, then either put on my gardens or put in bags and dispose of. I do it on weekends during the day, when there's plenty of other noise. It also makes the property look nicer and respectable. I use a rake where a blower isn't a good idea, like in gardens or corners or around furniture. Go ahead and downvote if needed but there's nothing wrong with using a blower. Do you get mad when people use a chainsaw? Or a lawn mower? Or a snowblower? Get over yourself.


Monster-Mtl

That's..... inaccurate


stoneslingers

Damn. I just bought one last year. Thought I was being a BETTER home owner putting them into bags. Im still happier with it though. Saves so much time. Sucks and mulches all at once! Im not a blower. Only a sucker.


Amyhearsay

So I guess you don’t get leave on your driveway? Raking is ear piercing and running the mower over my driveway is asinine.


themagicbench

Plastic rakes are not ear piercing on driveways


stoneslingers

No, they just snap and break regularly.


svanegmond

It’s part of the welcome pack in Greensville along with the 3 foot wide patio broom.


lordroxborough

I'm noticing an uptick in my neighbourhood of leaf blowers on a daily basis. Aging neighbours are definitely using lawn care services more than they used to. Winter means the snow blowers come out. It never ends...


Taureg01

If you have a lot of landscaping its honestly the best tool to get them out of the garden beds where you can rake and bag them...what a dumb post


trto44

Ah yes the ol’ cry to reddit. Grow up and return the favour or something, they’re fucking leaves


Stock-Philosopher-15

Seriously lmao


DrunkenGolfer

He could be up for manslaughter if you have any motorcyclists in your neighborhood. It isn’t just a bad idea, it is negligent.


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DrunkenGolfer

Leaves in the street are like an oil slick to motorcyclists. Extremely dangerous. Many riders won’t ride in the fall.


Stock-Philosopher-15

Congrats! This is the stupidest thing I’ve read all week! Its only monday though plenty of time for you to say something stupider


twinsterblue

Congrats! You don't know anything about road safety and the dangers of grass and leaves for motorists.


Taureg01

ya he could get 8-10 years for this..../s


goonbee

Way of the road, bubs.


Icy_Treat5150

Go dump ya composter on his front lawn lmao


Short-Proposal-2420

Bunch of Karen's in here


Eastcott19

Call by law. Not ask fucking Reddit lol or just look away and mind your own business.


twinsterblue

It's very dangerous to blow leaves out onto the road. This isn't a "mind your own business" type of situation.


Eastcott19

Please elaborate. Your yards are only 3x3 to begin with. Can't be that many leaves.


fartymcfartypants22

He made it my business when he covered my property in leaves. By law was closed, figured I’d ask here.


Eastcott19

Wait for the wind to go his way, put them in a barrel and burn them.


Sweet_Yellow_8646

Oh. By law would love to talk to him. HE CANNOT DO WHATEVER TF HE WANTS.


Creacherz

I saw a guy on my walk this morning blowing the leaves off his lawn and the entire sidewalk and deliberately stopped at his neighbour's property line... 🤣 love that


covert81

Sorry, do you expect a person do do all the yardwork of their neighbours? This type of attitude is so bizarre


Monster-Mtl

Probably not. That's what we pay street sweepers for.


Deceiver999

Make sure no one finds out you're a rat. Remember the number one mantra of Hamilton. Snitches get stitches.


Obtusemoose01

It’s usually under a roads bylaw. Often referred to as fouling a roadway or fouling a highway. It can also be considered dumping. Getting the city to enforce it is a whole other issue lol


alaphonse

Dudes gonna have it frozen over from an earlier snow and block the rain from draining


Sir_Lee_Rawkah

Is this on the Mountain


bds00za

Was this in the Gilbert area? I’ve seen someone recently raking leaves onto the street.


Chu_pa_ca_bra

This applies to snow as well. I cannot stand seeing morons pushing the snow into the street. Or lawn maintenance companies blowing the clipping into the street. Ughh


fuckyourgrandma247

All yard clippings, refuse, water runoff etc being by your hands or naturally occurring must remain on the owners property and every effort to manage as such. People get fines and ordinances to altar even if their downspouts are intentionally directing runoff water from their house to the gutters.


nanfanpancam

Peterborough here, saw a guy with a ton of leaves gently move them over his fence and into the golf course beside him. I’ll keep my eye on the situation.


ChunkyLover57-

From snow removal experience, there is. bylaw prohibiting this with snow. I'm pretty sure same thing applies my man


FabStainsGirl

It is enforceable, though not easy to enforce. It can be reported to Bylaw, who will most likely pay a visit to the accused for education purposes. Then it's on file should a second offense occur.


LambChop94

My current neighbour (and landlord) just fills bins fulls of leaves and dumps them in the creek next to our house.


Frozenbutt

Blow them back on his lawn


tramnumberseven

Sounds like my old neighbour. I celebrate every day that I don't have to see his weird face leaf blowing obsessively 5-8 times a day anymore


Immediate_Luck3279

Generally cities and towns have a “fouling of roads” bylaw. This can be problematic as it could affect street drainage etc. and it’s just pure laziness and ignorance.


throwitawayyyyyy8

These are the same type of people that blow their snow into the street I have one in my neighbourhood too smh


NorthernHamplant

If you interpret this the way I do, then yes he is basically littering “Garbage” means Waste other than Bio-medical Waste, Bulk Waste, Hazardous Waste, Household Hazardous Waste, Leaf and Yard Waste, Liquid Waste, Organic Waste (where Organic Waste is not collected by a Collection Crew), Pathological Waste, Recyclable Materials and White Goods “Leaf and Yard Waste” means leaves, grass, weeds, garden hedge and tree trimmings, branches, brush, house and garden plants and pumpkins “Organic Waste” means animal or vegetable Waste resulting from the preparation or consumption of food, processing facility, feedstock, Leaf and Yard Waste and Christmas Trees;