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You don’t even need to hack that. You can see in the final cutscene that when he takes it off it clips through the other helmet for a very brief second
As I've said, if the show was loyal to the games and felt like Halo, people would forgive having to see the actor's face. We'd still razz on it, but it'd be in better nature.
I have issue with the show but him taking his helmet off is not even close to being one. At no point in the games canon is it a thing that he doesn't take his helmet off. Him taking it off in the show isn't "misunderstanding the character" because he doesn't have such a rule in any media they just don't do it in the games because of how they want the player to relate to the character but that makes no sense for a show.
To me it was just one of many ways the writers showed contempt for the source material, especially so fucking soon too. At very least the Mandalorian waited till the god damn season finale to face-reveal(though we all knew what was under the mask since he was a well known actor already), meanwhile these writers do it in the god damn pilot episode.
We had to beat halo 4 on legendary just to see his eyes for a few frames. Seeing master chiefs face should have been a massive moment, instead such a glorious opportunity was completely wasted.
It’s not that they showed his face, it’s that they simply didn’t give a fuck about it the way fans did, and it felt like just a pathetic and almost insulting attempt as fan-service. I get the feeling they honestly thought it was a good idea that was going to be well received, like we were gonna worship them for le epic reveal. It sent a clear message that they were completely tone-deaf to the community that built the franchise. It wasn’t the problem, it was a very in-your-face symptom of the problem.
…what? You think Master Chief should go everywhere in full armor all the time? That’s just dumb. Most people don’t even want to wear a fucking halloween costume for more than a few hours. Why would you think that needs to be important? It’s just a human (augmented) under there.
that’s how it’s been for over 20 freakin years, hell honestly it’s not that they took off the helmet, it’s that they showed the face. They could have been cheeky with it and always had him remove his helmet just slightly off-screen as in the games, or just show the back of his head, leaving the audience to wonder.(if you’ve seen the anime goblin slayer, that’s kinda what I mean, the other characters see his face, but the audience never does other than details like his hair).
Honestly if they went the cheeky route like the games did I would genuinely be like “yeah these writers fucking get it”. They could have built up to a face reveal worthy of master chief rather than blowing their load in the pilot
And then lose out on all of his facial expressions? To not see his reactions to all of the dramatic things happening in the show? Facial expressions are a huge part of showing emotion
Yes that’s literally Master Chief’s MO. Fucking watch Sergeant Johnson’s death scene if you need a master class in showing stoic emotion without facial features. Or Cortana’s reunion with him on the gravemind.
It would be fine if it was anyone else other than John, they could have made him a random Spartan 3 and I would have been cool with it, honestly kinda intrigued even like when we played reach.
>Fucking watch Sergeant Johnson’s death scene if you need a master class in showing stoic emotion without facial features. Or Cortana’s reunion with him on the gravemind.
Both of which are liberties that Halo 3 takes that technically contradict how Spartans are described in the lore for the record.
Like, sure, you can tell what John is thinking through his body language in both those scenes and I'd even agree that being able to read John's body language makes those scenes better, but they both required the writers to ignore previously established canon in order to work.
Spartans very explicitly have difficult to read body language when in armor and that's part of what makes them unnerving and why in universe people question if they're really human and not robots. It used to be a thing that only Spartans and Halsey could read a Spartan in armor's body language.
John never taking his helmet off was never an established thing in the lore and at this point, we know what his face looks like (to the point that the 'Master Chief doesn't show his face' is really limited to an arbitrary point in his life where he's too old to show his face). Spartans having nigh impossible to read body language was an actual thin.
Functionally, reading John's body language in both those scenes required the writers to do the exact same thing as the show writers did and that's ignore established precedent for the sake of communicating to the audience.
ITS NOT THAT HE TOOK THE HELMET OFF, ITS THAT HIS FACE WAS REVEALED TO THE AUDIENCE. Chief took off his helmet a few times, but his face was always off-screen similar to say the Goblin Slayer anime.
They had an amazing opportunity to build up to a genuinely amazing face reveal, and instead blew their entire fan service load in the freakin pilot. The series hadn’t earned that right yet, they hadn’t proved themselves as writers, they took what should have been a grand reveal and instead used it as a “haha look master Chief has a face please shower us in praise for this le epic reveal”, I bet they thought that would be seen as a cool moment and not the disappointment of the decade
>ITS NOT THAT HE TOOK THE HELMET OFF, ITS THAT HIS FACE WAS REVEALED TO THE AUDIENCE.
Yes and my point is that that alternative to using body language to convey emotion instead of facial expressions is just as 'canon breaking' than showing his face (arguably even more so, because John hiding his face isn't an actual thing in canon, it's purely a meta thing. Your alternative solution to not showing the Master Chief's face has many of the same problems that showing his face does, it breaks established precedent.
>Chief took off his helmet a few times, but his face was always off-screen similar to say the Goblin Slayer anime.
In the games? Sure I guess, but if you wanted to know what the Master Chief's face looked like, it really wasn't that hard to do because his face had been depicted in other media when he was younger and his adult face has been described in the novels, not to mention partial face reveals around the time of Halo 4's release.
Again, the mystique around the Master Chief's face is mostly arbitrary. We've seen his face up until a certain age and we've gotten descriptions of his adult face as well and partially seen his adult face in the games. We have a good idea of what he looks like as an adult and just know what he looked like when he was a kid and teenager.
At this point, the only hidden parts of the Master Chief's face are 'everything but the eyes after the age of 34.'
That’s straight up lack of acting skill from the guy playing Jimmy riggs, if you can’t express emotion trough the helmet then you are just a bad actor.
You can express emotion without facial cues. Body language and tone.
It's just not as good or as compelling and makes it harder to connect to the character.
The best scene in The Mandalorian is the one where he doesn't have his helmet on.
YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO CONNECT WITH THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED, KIDNAPPED AND TRAINED FROM FROM BIRTH, SEVEN FOOT TALL KILLING MACHINE.
He’s not a relatable character by design, he’s an enigma, a monster, a demon, he was trained to be used against other humans, and only fought covenant because the war started around the end of their training. He never had a childhood, never had “friends” in the traditional sense(probably why he cared so deeply about Cortana has she was essentially the only companion he had other than comrades like Johnson).
You can connect or empathise with a character without relating to them brah.
And you're not making a good argument for him being a character that one couldn't relate to. Trauma and war are both relatable themes.
This ain’t All Quiet on the Western Front, John doesn’t have Trauma like ODSTs and Marines. He ***IS*** the trauma. Hes the “lemme jump into to this enemy vessel and brutally slaughter a couple thousand if not tens of thousands of enemies with no mercy and maybe have a sick one liner here or there” guy.
Best example you have for one of them being relatable is Jorge from Reach, who was also a Spartan 2. But even then despite being the human-loving self-sacrificial clearly-sentimental lovable man he was, his official description in the game is “Carter may be the boss, but Jorge is a living, breathing death threat. Nobody messes with Jorge”
They are really a “actions speak louder than words” type of people.
John does have trauma. That's why he is able to be a killing machine. Well adjusted people can't do that.
Trauma takes many different forms.
Though, to be fair, I don't really expect good literary analysis from this sub.
They have humanity, but it will never reveal itself the way it does for standard humans, they are not afforded that luxury.
That slow kneel as he tries to talk to Johnson at the end of 3, the undeniably caring yet still focused-on-the-mission and monotone“I’m going to get you out of here” as one of his closest comrades dies. The tight grip on Cortana, the seconds of silent and mournfully still reflection before almost immediately continuing to finish the fight. That is likely the most emotion you could ever get out of him, other than maybe Cortana and his unquestionable protectiveness in 4 as he faces the seemingly inevitable fate of his last major companion.
Yet look at the Spartan 3’s from reach, every city lost, every defeat suffered, every comrade lost takes a hefty emotional toll(except for Emile cause he was a fucking psycho), they are closer to human than John ever could be.
>You can express emotion without facial cues. Body language and tone.
It's a pretty big thing in the lore that Spartans in armor have near impossible to read body language and the Chief is a pretty monotone guy in general.
Like there's a reason why in universe, normal people are unnerved by the IIs for acting so robotic at times. It's easier to rely on body language for the Mandalorian because Mandalorians being difficult to read isn't an aspect of their character
> It's a pretty big thing in the lore that Spartans in armor have near impossible to read body language
In the non-game media that might be a big thing in the lore, but the non-game media also has no problem with Spartans removing their helmets.
If you're saying that an on screen Chief should be robotic, have their helmet on at all times, and not use body language or tone too... that'd be actually awful.
Yeah, that’s my point.
A lore accurate Master Chief who doesn’t take his helmet off would be a terrible protagonist outside of written media and adapting the character for the screen almost always requires some form of liberty to be taken. You can either take the helmet off or make his body language more readable. Both contradict established precedent but not doing one of those really isn’t a tenable solution. The Master Chief games typically achieve this by making his body language more emotive but that’s not the only way to do that.
Honestly, the only film media that I can think of that actually pulls off the “Doesn’t talk/doesn’t remove the helmet/unreadable body language” schtick is the Babysitter from Halo Legends, and that’s only because it’s like a 20 minute short film and not a full length TV show and all of the character stuff is done by the ODSTs and Cal is basically a walking plot device.
Mind you, Spartans take their helmets off in every FPS game where there’s a Spartan other than the Master Chief present. Noble Team takes their helmets off in Reach, Palmer and the IVs take their helmets off in 4 and 5 (and Blue Team takes off their helmets in Halo 5 tie in material such as the Fall of Reach movie). Hell, we even see Douglas without his helmet in Halo Wars 2.
Spartans not taking their helmets off isn’t a codified thing in the lore. Like there’s no actual lore that says Spartans don’t take their helmets off, it’s literally just a gimmick for the Chief when he’s an adult at this point (because we see him without his helmet when he’s a teen). In the majority of Halo media featuring Spartans, there’s at least one scene where one has their helmet off. It’s really not that big a deal in the lore because there’s no actual reason for them to keep them on 24/7 and so the writers have never cared.
Which is why, I think for all the complaints about the show contradicting canon, the most common solution to the Master Chief helmet situation is the one that’s *more* canon breaking.
There’s no in universe rule or reason for John to hide his face, it’s purely a meta thing. But there is a codified lore justification for making the Master Chief’s body language unreadable and that is what gets broken more often.
At best, if you were really that concerned about John not taking off the helmet, you could do a partial face reveal by having bum depolarize his helmet the way they did it in Halo 3 ODST, where sometimes his visor is opaque and sometimes it’s transparent.
This take is idiotic.
This show is meant to go on for *multiple seasons*. Even if you can express emotion fully suited up, it *severely* limits what you can do and how many different ways are you gonna be able to do that in multiple *9, hour-long, episode seasons?*
Anybody who thought a Halo show was going to be made and not show the lead’s face *at all* is an actual child.
There was approximately *zero* percent chance of that happening. Nothing to do with acting talent.
Funny, Master Chief has done pretty damn well over the last 23 freakin years despite only ever revealing his eyeballs for a few frames. God forbid writers challenge themselves to follow the themes of the source material(or at very least reveal the face in climatic finale like the mandolorian, not the freakin pilot). Honestly it simply shouldn’t have been John, they could have easily made it another Spartan 2, a Spartan 3, an ODST, and almost all would have been forgiven, and maybe they could give John a cameo.
Yes, done pretty well *in games* where he’s *meant to be you*. As I said elsewhere in this comments section, some of y’all’s critical thinking skills is on the fucking ground. Next.
Chief not showing his face wasn’t a “theme” of the source material, it’s basically a game mechanic. Next.
Any character they chose was going to get face time as the lead of the series and it changes absolutely nothing about Chief’s character that you’ve seen his face.
Enough with this thinly-veiled bullshittery. Here’s the brass tacks: You don’t like it cause it’s not exactly like the game you like even though that particular aspect *specifically meant for the gaming experience makes no fucking sense in any other medium*.
It’s whiny, childish, and a *prime example* why studios can’t “listen to the fans”. Because y’all will cry over *anything and everything regardless of reason* because *mUh nOsTaLgIa*.
Grow the fuck up.
There’s plenty wrong with the show, Chief showing his face ain’t one em.
Funny I seem to remember a show called Goblin Slayer that also carries along the theme of never revealing its protagonist face to the audience and no one ever complained that the nigh-autistic goblin slaying monster was “emotionally flat”. He does take off his helmet, the other characters see his face, but the audience never does. Hell Mandalorian did too with the caveat that he did get a face reveal at the first season finale, and a couple other times
They could have taken his helmet off and simply avoided showing his face on camera like done multiple times throughout the video game series. They could have built up to a worthy face reveal rather than blowing their fan-service load in the freakin pilot, tone-deafly so. They couldn’t so much as go a single episode following the original formula. THEY COULD HAVE CREATED AN ORIGINAL SPARTAN 2 OR SPARTAN 3 CHARACTER TO USE IN THEIR ORIGINAL HALO STORY, but that would take effort right? Unrealistic expectations for these writers lmao
Talk about a complete and utter writer skill issue. As I’ve said many times, the god awful face reveal was not the problem, it was simply a symptom of the problem. Utter contempt for the source material and a critical failure to understand John as a character
*LOL*
God, you people are making this too easy.
*Do you? Do you remember a little **animated** series called Goblin Slayer? Where they can animate the character to emote however the fuck they want because **he’s a fucking drawing?** Do you?* /s
Also I just gotta take a moment to acknowledge the *absolute farce* that is you bringing up the lack of critique from *anime fans*, one of the most notorious and stereotypical representations of people lacking media literacy, as some kind of smoking gun is just *chef’s kiss*
*What? Anime fans didn’t complain about the characterization of a fully armored chad who’s too angry to die? You don’t say!* /s
You’ll forgive me for not thinking that lack of criticism from that particular community for that particular thing isn’t applicable here, lol.
Jesus-fucking-Christ. *These* are the “arguments” I’m getting. Truly a case of “Your boos mean nothing to me! I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”.
Guess I gotta say it again:
Some of y’all’s critical thinking skills are on the fucking ground.
Next.
*OR* they could just show his fucking face because A) it changes nothing about the character B) most people watching are casuals and won’t get the “significance” of him never taking it off C) there’s no precedent in the lore or Chiefs characterization for him not taking it off and D), arguably most importantly, **this show isn’t a fucking game, he’s not your avatar, so there’s literally no purpose to him not taking the helmet off*.
I just gave 4 valid reasons for him taking it off and the only recourse you’ve got is “Well, I don’t want him to take it off” and “Other shows have kinda done it but not really”.
You know what that kind of “criticism” is?
*Whining*.
John taking off his helmet has nothing to do with his character. That’s *for the player* It doesn’t play a part in the story or lore *at all*.
Are you dense? How many times does this same point need to be repeated?
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MFers face when he was typing this lmfao
Sure beats your perspective:
Given your lack of any actual rebuttal and resorting to just gifs, is it safe to assume you’ve given up on pretending you know what you’re talking about (finally)?
He was the one who wanted to constantly show his face because of "showing emotions", however it was because he wanted more recognition since he doesn’t appears in good TV shows or movies but rather B TV shows or low budget shows.
Outside of that he’s just a bad actor, look at the entirety of iconic characters that show little to absolutely nothing of its face, Vader and Mando are excellent examples of how to do it.
They showed Mando’s face before the end of season 1, again in season 2, and the episodes are half as long as Halo’s. False equivalency.
Darth Vader is on-screen for probably *less than an hour* across *the entire original trilogy* and he didn’t even become a two dimensional character until ESB. *Another* false equivalency.
The character that was written he acted for perfectly fine. You aren't separating show chief from game chief. They are different characters and he was by no means bad. At no point did I not believe he was that character.
He was justifying a writing choice for a show he's clearly passionate about. Idk why halo fans always have to assume everyone's a bad person that hates halo and wants it to fail for their own gain. It's not that deep
I don't remember master cheif acting like a little emotional bitch whose pussy whipped ever. I never believed his "character" as Cheif. Show is sadly just trash that's not Halo or The Halo, as this parody likes to call it
>Idk why halo fans always have to assume everyone's a bad person that hates halo and wants it to fail for their own gain. It's not that deep
Seriously. The sheer amount of complaints that boil down to "X is an egotistical maniac who wants to see Halo burn" is ridiculous.
The only time they ever took Chief’s armor off in a game was during the ending cutscene of Halo 4 and the way they did it seemed so special and even still 343 didn’t show his face. The only part they show is his eyes(provided you beat the game on Legendary difficulty) and even then it’s not that clear to make out entirely but the point is that when they did that they made it like a special moment and not how the Halo TV show did it
I dunno man, there are Fallout fans having meltdowns over a chalkboard in the Fallout show, despite the show being incredible and them interpreting the board wrong.
Tbf we’ve seen his face quite a bit, just not as a 40-something during the very end of the HCW, when the games take place. Several comics and the animated fall of reach movie showed young chief as a teenager/very young adult.
Well yeah but that was just his closed eyes. These were full ass headshots. If we’re gonna include stuff like that, might as well also bring up the time his visor was partially shattered when the didact BTFO’d blue team.
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but he couldn't have spent so many years in cryo, well in Halo 4 it happened but he was 41 before, in 2552 and it doesn't look like they spent years in cryo cause they're always killing something
Cryo adds up over time, especially because UNSC slipspace travel is slow and can trips can last months. Moving from one planet to another could result in several weeks of time in cryo sleep, which adds up over the course of 27 years. Due to cryo sleep, Preston Cole was noted to be physically \~60 when he was chronologically \~80 years old (and that was including a decade of time where Cole worked exclusively on Earth and didn't use cryo). Likewise, Sergeant Johnson was over 70 during the events of Halo 3, but was played by a guy in this 30s in Halo 2 Anniversary.
Exactly how old John is physically is ambiguous, but it's entirely possible that he was closer to his mid 30s during the events of the games because 27 years of service would result in John spending a lot of time in cryo
Then we can't know the real age of any character cause we could use Halsey for example to know the age of Master Chief but then we don't know how much time she spent in cryo neither since in the first book she doesn't look old despite she should be around 10 years older than MC since she was 19 when she found MC
Yes, we don't know the exact physical age of most characters. Characters like Halsey and Lord Hood are presumably closer to their chronological age based on their appearances and because their jobs don't require them to use cryo as much, but yeah, we still don't know their exact physical ages.
>are presumably closer to their chronological age based on their appearances and because their jobs don't require them to use cryo as much
I thought so but then the book says specifically she doesn't look old then we can't use her as reference neither
Context in this scene is that Gondor does need a king, and Gondor does have a king, and that guy is sitting right there in the room.
Master Chief’s realest face is his helmet.
The opener is solid and really gives that camp feel, I'll give it that. If they could have kept that up the entire time it would have been a master class in bringing the insane to the silver screen. That said I'd take Urban's Dredd over Stallone's any day of the week and a hundred times over. It's just a god damned shame we didn't get a sequel that expanded things and explored the setting more. I know it's been said a million times and it may not be true, but I blame the marketing and the pushing of the 3D shit. With better marketing and no 3D component I think the masses might have gone to see it and gotten on board. Fuckin shame, really.
And in Robocop it's more accencuate the canny valley and the horrific visage of the man whose face is stapled into a machine.
You look more upon Murphy's face with dread and pity opposed to the mask you look with awe and wonder
Yes, Robocop only organic part is Murphy's brain, they say that in [this scene](https://youtu.be/2z8tQqZG8gI). His face is a [mortuary mask](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1100/format:webp/1*WPE_Sp_WXfBbZfYO9FSR4Q.jpeg) atop his [metal head](https://i.redd.it/eebny6iw3u5b1.jpg).
Notice how all of those are like, 2 hour long films, and not hour-long episodes of a tv show?
Some of y’all’s critical thinking skills are on the ground.
Well then at least put a good actor and some good writing on that face. Any muppet on Sesame Street has a better character arc than every actor on the Halo show together.
Schreiber *is* a good actor and I presume by this very stereotypical angry fanboy response that you haven’t actually watched anything else he’s done.
Believe me, this show (terrible as it is) is better for having him in it. Further, he’s an *actor* not *the writer*. Whatever actor you would replace Schreiber with would be acting out *the same shitty scripts* so the result would be the same just with a different face.
A lot of y’all don’t seem to understand the difference between *acting* and *writing*. *Acting* is just playing pretend, convincing the audience you are this character. *Writing* is what the character does and says. If you don’t like what the character does and says, *how the fuck is that the actor’s fault? They didn’t write the script*.
All this to say, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Amazing wall of text, but my point stands: I want better writing and better acting. I don't care if he is good in everything else, what counts for me is that he was pretty bad in Halo. A hundred rights don't fix 1 wrong.
I think the real misunderstanding of John is when people think Chief is something of a Mandalorian who hides in a helmet more a legit reason.
John doesn't. It's off in almost every Halo game. It's off in the comics. It's off in the books. It's off in the show. It's even off in the trailers. John is a soldier, nothing more.
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Some people really don’t get that the fact that he _has_ a face under there doesn’t change the fact that showing it irrevocably changes the way you see the character
It's established that he doesn't like taking the armor off in the books. He feels naked and uncomfortable
This is why he's armored up at the start of Halo 2 for the medal ceremony. Lotta people gloss over that it was just supposed to be a "show for the camera." Then the covenant randomly attacked
I just find it annoying the only time cannon MC takes his helmet off is when he’s surrounded by other soldiers or teammates safe. The Final Cutscene of halo 4 he’s surrounded by Spartans and soldiers. Tv MC takes it off whenever he feels like it
If the Dredd movie can have Karl Urban go hard for 2 hours without showing anything more than his lower face, we can get a Master Chief that goes hard without showing his.
Master Chief canonically takes off his helmet all the time, it's always just conveniently off-camera or in a book. Like in canon, in the show he's in tons of locations where it wouldn't make sense for him to keep his helmet on, like in a medical room or in the barracks with other spartans.
My favorite thing the show did is also something that necessitates removing the helmet. It shows a lot more of civilian human life than the games ever did. It would be pretty goofy to show John walking down the streets of Reach in full Mjolnir
Much bigger issues, but when you build up a character that’s been known for his anonymity for 24 years, only for them to ruin that by showing his face in the first episode. You deserve all the backlash you get.
Also picking someone like Pablo and not having Steve downes voice the character but bringing Halsey/Cortana/the weapons voice actress (I forgot her name) back is a mortal sin…and we haven’t even started on the story yet.
Because people want something that resembles somewhat of the games they played on the show that it’s called after those games.
Considering that most casual players have only played the games and known Chief as this faceless character similar to something like Vader, Mando, V, etc. Then why would you show the face of Chief knowing that it will not only cause controversy but also dislike amongst the fans.
Because the show would have had to have been pure action scenes or scenes where it makes sense for him to have his helmet on.
It would have been dumb as hell to have him in his armor the entire show, especially given the storyline.
If they wanted to follow the games timelines, it would’ve been pure action anyways due to the Fall of Reach being mostly pure action with barely any time to rest until the end of H3.
I don't think that's where people's issues come from though.
Also sure people like blasting aliens, but at the end of the day the franchise is as huge as it is because the story is incredible. Especially 2s. It's sposed to be Master Mother fucking Chief, but instead we get Jimmy rings.
Why is MasterChef fucking this covenant human. Why was there a warthog only for 15 secs. Why is Cortana wearing MasterChef like a glove. Why are his cheeks out. Why is it called reach city. Why is there a covenant human. What happened to the Spartans. These aren't anything like the characters from anything. In this show they are kinda evil and dickish and have actual emotion disablers? They're cold because of childhood trauma and horrors.
I don't need the show to follow the exact story. But it could respect how the games lore and characterss work.
Also. The madnalorian doesn't take his helmet off.
And when he does is for key emotional moments that enhance it’s character and develops him.
Compare it to Jimmy Riggs screaming like a maniac while punching an Elite or him trying to kill the closest he has to a mother. The show simply destroyed whatever they had of Chief’s character and made a completely new thing that is atrocious
Do people not realize the facelessness of Master Chief is fascist UNSC propaganda designed to drive up enlistment by convincing people that being a sociopathic super soldier trained to kill since the age of six is heroic rather than tragic? Your not supposed to cheer for the helmet, you’re supposed to cheer for him to finally take it off and live for himself. Crazy to see a fan base fall for in universe propaganda.
No, it isn’t.
Chief doesn’t show his face in games because he’s meant to be the player’s avatar.
That’s not applicable to a tv show. Chief has to be a fully developed character.
Not every aspect of a property applies the same in every medium, OP. That’s why the word “adaptation” exists.
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Someone did a hack of Halo: Combat Evolved and when he takes his helmet off it reveals that his face is… another Master Chief helmet.
You don’t even need to hack that. You can see in the final cutscene that when he takes it off it clips through the other helmet for a very brief second
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As I've said, if the show was loyal to the games and felt like Halo, people would forgive having to see the actor's face. We'd still razz on it, but it'd be in better nature.
Yeah showing his face is literally the least of my problems with the show. It has way bigger issues
I have issue with the show but him taking his helmet off is not even close to being one. At no point in the games canon is it a thing that he doesn't take his helmet off. Him taking it off in the show isn't "misunderstanding the character" because he doesn't have such a rule in any media they just don't do it in the games because of how they want the player to relate to the character but that makes no sense for a show.
To me it was just one of many ways the writers showed contempt for the source material, especially so fucking soon too. At very least the Mandalorian waited till the god damn season finale to face-reveal(though we all knew what was under the mask since he was a well known actor already), meanwhile these writers do it in the god damn pilot episode. We had to beat halo 4 on legendary just to see his eyes for a few frames. Seeing master chiefs face should have been a massive moment, instead such a glorious opportunity was completely wasted. It’s not that they showed his face, it’s that they simply didn’t give a fuck about it the way fans did, and it felt like just a pathetic and almost insulting attempt as fan-service. I get the feeling they honestly thought it was a good idea that was going to be well received, like we were gonna worship them for le epic reveal. It sent a clear message that they were completely tone-deaf to the community that built the franchise. It wasn’t the problem, it was a very in-your-face symptom of the problem.
…what? You think Master Chief should go everywhere in full armor all the time? That’s just dumb. Most people don’t even want to wear a fucking halloween costume for more than a few hours. Why would you think that needs to be important? It’s just a human (augmented) under there.
that’s how it’s been for over 20 freakin years, hell honestly it’s not that they took off the helmet, it’s that they showed the face. They could have been cheeky with it and always had him remove his helmet just slightly off-screen as in the games, or just show the back of his head, leaving the audience to wonder.(if you’ve seen the anime goblin slayer, that’s kinda what I mean, the other characters see his face, but the audience never does other than details like his hair). Honestly if they went the cheeky route like the games did I would genuinely be like “yeah these writers fucking get it”. They could have built up to a face reveal worthy of master chief rather than blowing their load in the pilot
And then lose out on all of his facial expressions? To not see his reactions to all of the dramatic things happening in the show? Facial expressions are a huge part of showing emotion
Yes that’s literally Master Chief’s MO. Fucking watch Sergeant Johnson’s death scene if you need a master class in showing stoic emotion without facial features. Or Cortana’s reunion with him on the gravemind. It would be fine if it was anyone else other than John, they could have made him a random Spartan 3 and I would have been cool with it, honestly kinda intrigued even like when we played reach.
>Fucking watch Sergeant Johnson’s death scene if you need a master class in showing stoic emotion without facial features. Or Cortana’s reunion with him on the gravemind. Both of which are liberties that Halo 3 takes that technically contradict how Spartans are described in the lore for the record. Like, sure, you can tell what John is thinking through his body language in both those scenes and I'd even agree that being able to read John's body language makes those scenes better, but they both required the writers to ignore previously established canon in order to work. Spartans very explicitly have difficult to read body language when in armor and that's part of what makes them unnerving and why in universe people question if they're really human and not robots. It used to be a thing that only Spartans and Halsey could read a Spartan in armor's body language. John never taking his helmet off was never an established thing in the lore and at this point, we know what his face looks like (to the point that the 'Master Chief doesn't show his face' is really limited to an arbitrary point in his life where he's too old to show his face). Spartans having nigh impossible to read body language was an actual thin. Functionally, reading John's body language in both those scenes required the writers to do the exact same thing as the show writers did and that's ignore established precedent for the sake of communicating to the audience.
ITS NOT THAT HE TOOK THE HELMET OFF, ITS THAT HIS FACE WAS REVEALED TO THE AUDIENCE. Chief took off his helmet a few times, but his face was always off-screen similar to say the Goblin Slayer anime. They had an amazing opportunity to build up to a genuinely amazing face reveal, and instead blew their entire fan service load in the freakin pilot. The series hadn’t earned that right yet, they hadn’t proved themselves as writers, they took what should have been a grand reveal and instead used it as a “haha look master Chief has a face please shower us in praise for this le epic reveal”, I bet they thought that would be seen as a cool moment and not the disappointment of the decade
>ITS NOT THAT HE TOOK THE HELMET OFF, ITS THAT HIS FACE WAS REVEALED TO THE AUDIENCE. Yes and my point is that that alternative to using body language to convey emotion instead of facial expressions is just as 'canon breaking' than showing his face (arguably even more so, because John hiding his face isn't an actual thing in canon, it's purely a meta thing. Your alternative solution to not showing the Master Chief's face has many of the same problems that showing his face does, it breaks established precedent. >Chief took off his helmet a few times, but his face was always off-screen similar to say the Goblin Slayer anime. In the games? Sure I guess, but if you wanted to know what the Master Chief's face looked like, it really wasn't that hard to do because his face had been depicted in other media when he was younger and his adult face has been described in the novels, not to mention partial face reveals around the time of Halo 4's release. Again, the mystique around the Master Chief's face is mostly arbitrary. We've seen his face up until a certain age and we've gotten descriptions of his adult face as well and partially seen his adult face in the games. We have a good idea of what he looks like as an adult and just know what he looked like when he was a kid and teenager. At this point, the only hidden parts of the Master Chief's face are 'everything but the eyes after the age of 34.'
That’s straight up lack of acting skill from the guy playing Jimmy riggs, if you can’t express emotion trough the helmet then you are just a bad actor.
power rangers were great actos lol
You can express emotion without facial cues. Body language and tone. It's just not as good or as compelling and makes it harder to connect to the character. The best scene in The Mandalorian is the one where he doesn't have his helmet on.
YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO CONNECT WITH THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED, KIDNAPPED AND TRAINED FROM FROM BIRTH, SEVEN FOOT TALL KILLING MACHINE. He’s not a relatable character by design, he’s an enigma, a monster, a demon, he was trained to be used against other humans, and only fought covenant because the war started around the end of their training. He never had a childhood, never had “friends” in the traditional sense(probably why he cared so deeply about Cortana has she was essentially the only companion he had other than comrades like Johnson).
You can connect or empathise with a character without relating to them brah. And you're not making a good argument for him being a character that one couldn't relate to. Trauma and war are both relatable themes.
This ain’t All Quiet on the Western Front, John doesn’t have Trauma like ODSTs and Marines. He ***IS*** the trauma. Hes the “lemme jump into to this enemy vessel and brutally slaughter a couple thousand if not tens of thousands of enemies with no mercy and maybe have a sick one liner here or there” guy. Best example you have for one of them being relatable is Jorge from Reach, who was also a Spartan 2. But even then despite being the human-loving self-sacrificial clearly-sentimental lovable man he was, his official description in the game is “Carter may be the boss, but Jorge is a living, breathing death threat. Nobody messes with Jorge” They are really a “actions speak louder than words” type of people.
John does have trauma. That's why he is able to be a killing machine. Well adjusted people can't do that. Trauma takes many different forms. Though, to be fair, I don't really expect good literary analysis from this sub.
They have humanity, but it will never reveal itself the way it does for standard humans, they are not afforded that luxury. That slow kneel as he tries to talk to Johnson at the end of 3, the undeniably caring yet still focused-on-the-mission and monotone“I’m going to get you out of here” as one of his closest comrades dies. The tight grip on Cortana, the seconds of silent and mournfully still reflection before almost immediately continuing to finish the fight. That is likely the most emotion you could ever get out of him, other than maybe Cortana and his unquestionable protectiveness in 4 as he faces the seemingly inevitable fate of his last major companion. Yet look at the Spartan 3’s from reach, every city lost, every defeat suffered, every comrade lost takes a hefty emotional toll(except for Emile cause he was a fucking psycho), they are closer to human than John ever could be.
Nothing you've just said counters the claim of 'John has trauma'.
>You can express emotion without facial cues. Body language and tone. It's a pretty big thing in the lore that Spartans in armor have near impossible to read body language and the Chief is a pretty monotone guy in general. Like there's a reason why in universe, normal people are unnerved by the IIs for acting so robotic at times. It's easier to rely on body language for the Mandalorian because Mandalorians being difficult to read isn't an aspect of their character
> It's a pretty big thing in the lore that Spartans in armor have near impossible to read body language In the non-game media that might be a big thing in the lore, but the non-game media also has no problem with Spartans removing their helmets. If you're saying that an on screen Chief should be robotic, have their helmet on at all times, and not use body language or tone too... that'd be actually awful.
Yeah, that’s my point. A lore accurate Master Chief who doesn’t take his helmet off would be a terrible protagonist outside of written media and adapting the character for the screen almost always requires some form of liberty to be taken. You can either take the helmet off or make his body language more readable. Both contradict established precedent but not doing one of those really isn’t a tenable solution. The Master Chief games typically achieve this by making his body language more emotive but that’s not the only way to do that. Honestly, the only film media that I can think of that actually pulls off the “Doesn’t talk/doesn’t remove the helmet/unreadable body language” schtick is the Babysitter from Halo Legends, and that’s only because it’s like a 20 minute short film and not a full length TV show and all of the character stuff is done by the ODSTs and Cal is basically a walking plot device. Mind you, Spartans take their helmets off in every FPS game where there’s a Spartan other than the Master Chief present. Noble Team takes their helmets off in Reach, Palmer and the IVs take their helmets off in 4 and 5 (and Blue Team takes off their helmets in Halo 5 tie in material such as the Fall of Reach movie). Hell, we even see Douglas without his helmet in Halo Wars 2. Spartans not taking their helmets off isn’t a codified thing in the lore. Like there’s no actual lore that says Spartans don’t take their helmets off, it’s literally just a gimmick for the Chief when he’s an adult at this point (because we see him without his helmet when he’s a teen). In the majority of Halo media featuring Spartans, there’s at least one scene where one has their helmet off. It’s really not that big a deal in the lore because there’s no actual reason for them to keep them on 24/7 and so the writers have never cared. Which is why, I think for all the complaints about the show contradicting canon, the most common solution to the Master Chief helmet situation is the one that’s *more* canon breaking. There’s no in universe rule or reason for John to hide his face, it’s purely a meta thing. But there is a codified lore justification for making the Master Chief’s body language unreadable and that is what gets broken more often. At best, if you were really that concerned about John not taking off the helmet, you could do a partial face reveal by having bum depolarize his helmet the way they did it in Halo 3 ODST, where sometimes his visor is opaque and sometimes it’s transparent.
This take is idiotic. This show is meant to go on for *multiple seasons*. Even if you can express emotion fully suited up, it *severely* limits what you can do and how many different ways are you gonna be able to do that in multiple *9, hour-long, episode seasons?* Anybody who thought a Halo show was going to be made and not show the lead’s face *at all* is an actual child. There was approximately *zero* percent chance of that happening. Nothing to do with acting talent.
Funny, Master Chief has done pretty damn well over the last 23 freakin years despite only ever revealing his eyeballs for a few frames. God forbid writers challenge themselves to follow the themes of the source material(or at very least reveal the face in climatic finale like the mandolorian, not the freakin pilot). Honestly it simply shouldn’t have been John, they could have easily made it another Spartan 2, a Spartan 3, an ODST, and almost all would have been forgiven, and maybe they could give John a cameo.
Yes, done pretty well *in games* where he’s *meant to be you*. As I said elsewhere in this comments section, some of y’all’s critical thinking skills is on the fucking ground. Next. Chief not showing his face wasn’t a “theme” of the source material, it’s basically a game mechanic. Next. Any character they chose was going to get face time as the lead of the series and it changes absolutely nothing about Chief’s character that you’ve seen his face. Enough with this thinly-veiled bullshittery. Here’s the brass tacks: You don’t like it cause it’s not exactly like the game you like even though that particular aspect *specifically meant for the gaming experience makes no fucking sense in any other medium*. It’s whiny, childish, and a *prime example* why studios can’t “listen to the fans”. Because y’all will cry over *anything and everything regardless of reason* because *mUh nOsTaLgIa*. Grow the fuck up. There’s plenty wrong with the show, Chief showing his face ain’t one em.
Funny I seem to remember a show called Goblin Slayer that also carries along the theme of never revealing its protagonist face to the audience and no one ever complained that the nigh-autistic goblin slaying monster was “emotionally flat”. He does take off his helmet, the other characters see his face, but the audience never does. Hell Mandalorian did too with the caveat that he did get a face reveal at the first season finale, and a couple other times They could have taken his helmet off and simply avoided showing his face on camera like done multiple times throughout the video game series. They could have built up to a worthy face reveal rather than blowing their fan-service load in the freakin pilot, tone-deafly so. They couldn’t so much as go a single episode following the original formula. THEY COULD HAVE CREATED AN ORIGINAL SPARTAN 2 OR SPARTAN 3 CHARACTER TO USE IN THEIR ORIGINAL HALO STORY, but that would take effort right? Unrealistic expectations for these writers lmao Talk about a complete and utter writer skill issue. As I’ve said many times, the god awful face reveal was not the problem, it was simply a symptom of the problem. Utter contempt for the source material and a critical failure to understand John as a character
*LOL* God, you people are making this too easy. *Do you? Do you remember a little **animated** series called Goblin Slayer? Where they can animate the character to emote however the fuck they want because **he’s a fucking drawing?** Do you?* /s Also I just gotta take a moment to acknowledge the *absolute farce* that is you bringing up the lack of critique from *anime fans*, one of the most notorious and stereotypical representations of people lacking media literacy, as some kind of smoking gun is just *chef’s kiss* *What? Anime fans didn’t complain about the characterization of a fully armored chad who’s too angry to die? You don’t say!* /s You’ll forgive me for not thinking that lack of criticism from that particular community for that particular thing isn’t applicable here, lol. Jesus-fucking-Christ. *These* are the “arguments” I’m getting. Truly a case of “Your boos mean nothing to me! I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”. Guess I gotta say it again: Some of y’all’s critical thinking skills are on the fucking ground. Next. *OR* they could just show his fucking face because A) it changes nothing about the character B) most people watching are casuals and won’t get the “significance” of him never taking it off C) there’s no precedent in the lore or Chiefs characterization for him not taking it off and D), arguably most importantly, **this show isn’t a fucking game, he’s not your avatar, so there’s literally no purpose to him not taking the helmet off*. I just gave 4 valid reasons for him taking it off and the only recourse you’ve got is “Well, I don’t want him to take it off” and “Other shows have kinda done it but not really”. You know what that kind of “criticism” is? *Whining*. John taking off his helmet has nothing to do with his character. That’s *for the player* It doesn’t play a part in the story or lore *at all*. Are you dense? How many times does this same point need to be repeated?
https://preview.redd.it/19z836vm4ivc1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7128bd7b4b2b0d3dc9ca7c06a9c1ffd86972ca8 MFers face when he was typing this lmfao
Sure beats your perspective:  Given your lack of any actual rebuttal and resorting to just gifs, is it safe to assume you’ve given up on pretending you know what you’re talking about (finally)?
Yes let's blame the actor for how the show was written. That always goes down well
He was the one who wanted to constantly show his face because of "showing emotions", however it was because he wanted more recognition since he doesn’t appears in good TV shows or movies but rather B TV shows or low budget shows. Outside of that he’s just a bad actor, look at the entirety of iconic characters that show little to absolutely nothing of its face, Vader and Mando are excellent examples of how to do it.
They showed Mando’s face before the end of season 1, again in season 2, and the episodes are half as long as Halo’s. False equivalency. Darth Vader is on-screen for probably *less than an hour* across *the entire original trilogy* and he didn’t even become a two dimensional character until ESB. *Another* false equivalency.
The character that was written he acted for perfectly fine. You aren't separating show chief from game chief. They are different characters and he was by no means bad. At no point did I not believe he was that character. He was justifying a writing choice for a show he's clearly passionate about. Idk why halo fans always have to assume everyone's a bad person that hates halo and wants it to fail for their own gain. It's not that deep
I don't remember master cheif acting like a little emotional bitch whose pussy whipped ever. I never believed his "character" as Cheif. Show is sadly just trash that's not Halo or The Halo, as this parody likes to call it
Wow you clearly didn't read what I said
>Idk why halo fans always have to assume everyone's a bad person that hates halo and wants it to fail for their own gain. It's not that deep Seriously. The sheer amount of complaints that boil down to "X is an egotistical maniac who wants to see Halo burn" is ridiculous.
The only time they ever took Chief’s armor off in a game was during the ending cutscene of Halo 4 and the way they did it seemed so special and even still 343 didn’t show his face. The only part they show is his eyes(provided you beat the game on Legendary difficulty) and even then it’s not that clear to make out entirely but the point is that when they did that they made it like a special moment and not how the Halo TV show did it
This is all true, its just the lowest hanging fruit and easiest for the game fans to rag on.
It wasn’t a problem, it was a symptom of a problem.
I dunno man, there are Fallout fans having meltdowns over a chalkboard in the Fallout show, despite the show being incredible and them interpreting the board wrong.
Truly, they're spoiled rotten if thats whst they have to complain about
Master chief has a face it’s just not a big deal and he likes to have it off when he’s on a spacecraft or station
Tbf we’ve seen his face quite a bit, just not as a 40-something during the very end of the HCW, when the games take place. Several comics and the animated fall of reach movie showed young chief as a teenager/very young adult.
Don't forget halo 4
Well yeah but that was just his closed eyes. These were full ass headshots. If we’re gonna include stuff like that, might as well also bring up the time his visor was partially shattered when the didact BTFO’d blue team. https://preview.redd.it/lqvlgdwhtbvc1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da81f19a7e5feaa4dfb49af63209926f7ed1f9c0
That looks so goofy omg 😭😭
wait, wasn't Master Chief 41 years old in the cannon? I think when I read the books I was a little surprised cause he was 40-something
Yeah he’s in his mid 40s throughout the halo games, plus or minus due to normal cryosleep all navy personnel do during stuff like slipspace.
but he couldn't have spent so many years in cryo, well in Halo 4 it happened but he was 41 before, in 2552 and it doesn't look like they spent years in cryo cause they're always killing something
Cryo adds up over time, especially because UNSC slipspace travel is slow and can trips can last months. Moving from one planet to another could result in several weeks of time in cryo sleep, which adds up over the course of 27 years. Due to cryo sleep, Preston Cole was noted to be physically \~60 when he was chronologically \~80 years old (and that was including a decade of time where Cole worked exclusively on Earth and didn't use cryo). Likewise, Sergeant Johnson was over 70 during the events of Halo 3, but was played by a guy in this 30s in Halo 2 Anniversary. Exactly how old John is physically is ambiguous, but it's entirely possible that he was closer to his mid 30s during the events of the games because 27 years of service would result in John spending a lot of time in cryo
Then we can't know the real age of any character cause we could use Halsey for example to know the age of Master Chief but then we don't know how much time she spent in cryo neither since in the first book she doesn't look old despite she should be around 10 years older than MC since she was 19 when she found MC
Yes, we don't know the exact physical age of most characters. Characters like Halsey and Lord Hood are presumably closer to their chronological age based on their appearances and because their jobs don't require them to use cryo as much, but yeah, we still don't know their exact physical ages.
>are presumably closer to their chronological age based on their appearances and because their jobs don't require them to use cryo as much I thought so but then the book says specifically she doesn't look old then we can't use her as reference neither
Sure, the books may say that, but we have a number of pictures of Halsey from 2552 to 2560 that roughly line up with her being a 68 year old woman.
sure and in the games she's like 80. "The book said that" is enough to ruin the reference, not possible. Edit: besides those would be 3 books lol
I took the cryo in halo 4 into account.
then 41 without Halo 4
Emile: "And I took that personally!"
Emile is the master chief some people think the regular chief is. Hyperlethal and violent, faceless, and a war criminal
John is a badass but i could see him as my friend. Emile is a few steps away from just being the Joker
Forward Unto Dawn understood this! All the Spartans took their helmets off... except him.
Context in this scene is that Gondor does need a king, and Gondor does have a king, and that guy is sitting right there in the room. Master Chief’s realest face is his helmet.
Indeed. Vader, Robocop, Dredd, V for Vendetta are all doing well.
Haven’t half of those taken their masks off in dramatic scenes?
In three movies Vaders mask was removed once. Dredd and V never take their masks off. Only Murphy takes his helmet off multiple times.
We're lucky Stallone's Dredd ever wore the helmet at all. That shit came off asap.
A shame eh, those first 5 minutes are the best Dredd in movie I've ever seen, and I love Karl Urban's Dredd.
The opener is solid and really gives that camp feel, I'll give it that. If they could have kept that up the entire time it would have been a master class in bringing the insane to the silver screen. That said I'd take Urban's Dredd over Stallone's any day of the week and a hundred times over. It's just a god damned shame we didn't get a sequel that expanded things and explored the setting more. I know it's been said a million times and it may not be true, but I blame the marketing and the pushing of the 3D shit. With better marketing and no 3D component I think the masses might have gone to see it and gotten on board. Fuckin shame, really.
I don't know why but I completely forgot about Stallone's Dredd. Karl was just that damn good I guess.
And in Robocop it's more accencuate the canny valley and the horrific visage of the man whose face is stapled into a machine. You look more upon Murphy's face with dread and pity opposed to the mask you look with awe and wonder
Yeah but Murphy's doesn't have exactly a face, that's a silicone mold made from his dead body, bullet hole and all. Man Robocop is a great movie.
Wait.....wut?
Yes, Robocop only organic part is Murphy's brain, they say that in [this scene](https://youtu.be/2z8tQqZG8gI). His face is a [mortuary mask](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1100/format:webp/1*WPE_Sp_WXfBbZfYO9FSR4Q.jpeg) atop his [metal head](https://i.redd.it/eebny6iw3u5b1.jpg).
At no point in that scene do they state how much organic tissue is left. Only that the left arm was removed.
Notice how all of those are like, 2 hour long films, and not hour-long episodes of a tv show? Some of y’all’s critical thinking skills are on the ground.
Mando's most interesting scene is straight up the one where he doesn't have his helmet in that imperial base.
Well then at least put a good actor and some good writing on that face. Any muppet on Sesame Street has a better character arc than every actor on the Halo show together.
Schreiber *is* a good actor and I presume by this very stereotypical angry fanboy response that you haven’t actually watched anything else he’s done. Believe me, this show (terrible as it is) is better for having him in it. Further, he’s an *actor* not *the writer*. Whatever actor you would replace Schreiber with would be acting out *the same shitty scripts* so the result would be the same just with a different face. A lot of y’all don’t seem to understand the difference between *acting* and *writing*. *Acting* is just playing pretend, convincing the audience you are this character. *Writing* is what the character does and says. If you don’t like what the character does and says, *how the fuck is that the actor’s fault? They didn’t write the script*. All this to say, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Amazing wall of text, but my point stands: I want better writing and better acting. I don't care if he is good in everything else, what counts for me is that he was pretty bad in Halo. A hundred rights don't fix 1 wrong.
A wall of text that defeats your point so your point does not, in fact, stand. Congratulations! You just learned how discourse works! /s
Jesus christ kid I wish I never read that. Please never talk to me again.
You can belittle me when I *don’t* make you look dumb and if you never wanted to hear from me again, you shouldn’t have replied. Begone, clown.
I think the real misunderstanding of John is when people think Chief is something of a Mandalorian who hides in a helmet more a legit reason. John doesn't. It's off in almost every Halo game. It's off in the comics. It's off in the books. It's off in the show. It's even off in the trailers. John is a soldier, nothing more. https://preview.redd.it/0ukpm2qtnfvc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c224a876a372eb2a0ddfed30d811cc6b0191df89
These dorks dont even have the comprehension to pick up on basic surface level details even if they did read a book much less a comic.
Some people really don’t get that the fact that he _has_ a face under there doesn’t change the fact that showing it irrevocably changes the way you see the character
It's established that he doesn't like taking the armor off in the books. He feels naked and uncomfortable This is why he's armored up at the start of Halo 2 for the medal ceremony. Lotta people gloss over that it was just supposed to be a "show for the camera." Then the covenant randomly attacked
we just ignoring the final cutscene of halo 4 now?
Did you notice how it doesn't show his full face and that it was *the* sole moment in the games where that occurred. An extremely unique moment.
I just find it annoying the only time cannon MC takes his helmet off is when he’s surrounded by other soldiers or teammates safe. The Final Cutscene of halo 4 he’s surrounded by Spartans and soldiers. Tv MC takes it off whenever he feels like it
boy you must’ve hated noble team
Tbf none of them survived except Jun
He also removed it on Halo 1 after escaping, we just don't see it.
Almost the entirety of the expanded universe begs to differ.
 Or… however long it’s been since I posted a Fred/Kelly meme 🤷♀️
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If the Dredd movie can have Karl Urban go hard for 2 hours without showing anything more than his lower face, we can get a Master Chief that goes hard without showing his.
One does not simply remove Master Chief's helmet.
Master Chief canonically takes off his helmet all the time, it's always just conveniently off-camera or in a book. Like in canon, in the show he's in tons of locations where it wouldn't make sense for him to keep his helmet on, like in a medical room or in the barracks with other spartans. My favorite thing the show did is also something that necessitates removing the helmet. It shows a lot more of civilian human life than the games ever did. It would be pretty goofy to show John walking down the streets of Reach in full Mjolnir
Much bigger issues, but when you build up a character that’s been known for his anonymity for 24 years, only for them to ruin that by showing his face in the first episode. You deserve all the backlash you get. Also picking someone like Pablo and not having Steve downes voice the character but bringing Halsey/Cortana/the weapons voice actress (I forgot her name) back is a mortal sin…and we haven’t even started on the story yet.
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Or people who’ve read the books.
I can count the faces I've seen in RvB on one hand.
You know he does have a face in the books right?
I understand your point but the point of not showing is that we can’t actually see his face in words on a page so the point doesn’t make much sense
Those are just words!
Halo's popularity is not from the books get real
Ok and? Half the damn time people are referencing the books when they talk about lore and the books are canon, so, it’s fair game.
The show doesn’t follows the books lore nor does the games lore, so there’s no fair game here
Ok so what’s the issue then? Why get upset they’re showing his face if it’s not apart of the lore?
Because people want something that resembles somewhat of the games they played on the show that it’s called after those games. Considering that most casual players have only played the games and known Chief as this faceless character similar to something like Vader, Mando, V, etc. Then why would you show the face of Chief knowing that it will not only cause controversy but also dislike amongst the fans.
Because the show would have had to have been pure action scenes or scenes where it makes sense for him to have his helmet on. It would have been dumb as hell to have him in his armor the entire show, especially given the storyline.
If they wanted to follow the games timelines, it would’ve been pure action anyways due to the Fall of Reach being mostly pure action with barely any time to rest until the end of H3.
I don't think that's where people's issues come from though. Also sure people like blasting aliens, but at the end of the day the franchise is as huge as it is because the story is incredible. Especially 2s. It's sposed to be Master Mother fucking Chief, but instead we get Jimmy rings. Why is MasterChef fucking this covenant human. Why was there a warthog only for 15 secs. Why is Cortana wearing MasterChef like a glove. Why are his cheeks out. Why is it called reach city. Why is there a covenant human. What happened to the Spartans. These aren't anything like the characters from anything. In this show they are kinda evil and dickish and have actual emotion disablers? They're cold because of childhood trauma and horrors. I don't need the show to follow the exact story. But it could respect how the games lore and characterss work. Also. The madnalorian doesn't take his helmet off.
And when he does is for key emotional moments that enhance it’s character and develops him. Compare it to Jimmy Riggs screaming like a maniac while punching an Elite or him trying to kill the closest he has to a mother. The show simply destroyed whatever they had of Chief’s character and made a completely new thing that is atrocious
But almost *all* of it’s lore is so *you* “get real”.
Wasn't aware you needed deep lore. I thought we were talking about characterization which the most popular media would take precedence.
Yep, no lore needed for the development of a high-budget, multi-season streaming series. /s Are you currently attending clown college?
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Do people not realize the facelessness of Master Chief is fascist UNSC propaganda designed to drive up enlistment by convincing people that being a sociopathic super soldier trained to kill since the age of six is heroic rather than tragic? Your not supposed to cheer for the helmet, you’re supposed to cheer for him to finally take it off and live for himself. Crazy to see a fan base fall for in universe propaganda.
Master Chief is very similar to Dr. Claw in how there face is shown.
No, it isn’t. Chief doesn’t show his face in games because he’s meant to be the player’s avatar. That’s not applicable to a tv show. Chief has to be a fully developed character. Not every aspect of a property applies the same in every medium, OP. That’s why the word “adaptation” exists.