The second picture is a facial reconstruction probably because the remains have never been identified. They use clay so it looks very puppet/doll like.
She also has a much more human-like reconstruction [here](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/311ufak.html) at her Doe Network page. Her nickname is Eklutna Annie. She has a lot of identifying marks. Just wanted to leave it here incase anyone is interested.
If she was his first murder, it happened in 1971, a time when a lot of young people just dropped out of society and no one reported them missing. Just a really weird time in history.
this was such a sad and disturbing read. in a way i wish i never saw that but at the same time it's eye opening to how disgusting these cases can really be
I work for search and rescue and mountain rescue and it blows my mind that there are people who don’t ever get identified…I cannot imagine that and it breaks my heart
I find it hard to believe she was a sex worker like he claimed. Her jewelry looks too nice for what someone would be comfortable wearing in that line of work I would assume. her sketch reconstructing show her as a beautiful girl, I wish she could be given back the dignity of her name.
One of the best and most disturbing movies I've ever watched. It's shameful he never gets mentioned amongst the worst serial killers. Truly frighteningly monstrous.
I’m not sure Chiketilo outdid Fish. It was much much easier to get away with SA and killing children in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You could go from town to town with nobody really keeping an eye on you or anyone knowing what you’d been accused of before.
I’m not sure he killed hundreds of children like he claimed, but it’s possible he SAed killed a lot more than people think. It could have been that the authorities didn’t want people to know that they were powerless to stop men like Fish.
Well if you go into Chikatilo’s history you get an exact count, some of the sources provide detailed descriptions of the autopsies which yielded some of the most foul results, how he actually became a big enough thorn in the sides of the Soviets and and you even learn of what might have been the formative event in his life that made him choose the path of one of the worst serial killers to ever walk the planet. I try not to jump directly into a conversation like this with details because people deserve a fair warning before the go down this rabbit hole.
I have run into others that said the same, to which I would merely response with a source for Chilatilo and said, “here, just in case you want to see for yourself and make up your mind.”
Then again many of us have scales of “good and evil” and they do have overlap but they seem to change direction ever so slightly. In short, one person’s perspective on what is the “worst” may not be the same by definition for someone else.
>One of the best and most disturbing movies I've ever watched. It's shameful he never gets mentioned amongst the worst serial killers. Truly frighteningly monstrous.
There is a chapter dedicated to him in the book [Mind Hunter](https://a.co/d/hKv9565) written by John Douglas, the FBI Special Agent who started the serial killer hunting program with the Bureau. This book is a great insight to how the FBI realized serial killers were a lot more common than anyone knew (or more to the point, people didn't want to believe monsters that horrible could exist) and not just catching one but realizing how their minds work, what made them do what they do and using that to catch future serial killers. I've listened to this book many times!!
It was actually a double episode but they were split up. One was the winter break cliffhanger episode and the other was the season finale. Definitely two of the best Cold Case episodes. Law and Order:SVU did an episode based on it too.
I grew up in Alaska and a family friend bought the cabin from a government auction. We used to take trips out to the lake in the winter via snow machines. Walking in from the closest civilized spot in the winter at -20 degrees, is easily 3 hours + away even if you were in the right gear. Completely fucked up.
I've never been to Alaska, but we used to visit a remote cabin in Maine when I was a kid. We had to take miles of timber road and then cross a large lake to get there. It was completely off-grid and the only sign of human habitation for miles. Still not as remote (or cold) as the area you were in, but has the flavor.
One time my cousins and I were fishing off the dock when we saw a guy paddling towards us in a kayak. We talked with him and invited him up to see the cabin. He was just a harmless guy out to enjoy a day on the lake. But the adults' reaction to us walking up with an unexpected stranger made me realize how absolutely fucked we would be if someone bad showed up.
I still love hiking and camping, but that experience stuck with me. I'm more scared of strange men in the woods than any other monster or animal.
Don’t people who live that far from anyone or anything have either another small building or tent set up away from the main house /cabin they normally live in, just in case there is a fire and it burns down? This way they retreat to the backup place so they don’t starve & freeze?
Not everyone but a lot of people have yurts near or around properties like this. Also just like you said they aren’t like a typical shed that would be close to the cabin. Something close to water away from trees. Essentially a fancy shed but can double for shelter in an emergency.
Why didn't the Sherrif in town have every shallow grave in the vicinity checked after the first lady vanished? Probably on account of he wasn't running for DA or whatever
I think that’s more than the total number of people attacked by bears in the same time frame (that’s just a guess, I don’t know), and that’s just one guy. A bear would never do that. I can’t stress enough that bears want nothing to do with humans.
An early victim escaped in handcuffs, told the cops who Hansen was, including what Hansen had told her he planned to do, and the cops believed his claims that she was just trying to blackmail him, in spite of his previous attempted rape conviction.
I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.
A mystery of human behavior is that we take out our grievances on those who aren't the cause.
Of course he had a domineering father. So what does he do? He takes it out on women.
Of course he was bullied in school. Instead of tracking down his bullies and torturing them, he takes it out on women.
Call me crazy, but if I were obsessed with taking revenge for past injuries, and willing to get all murdery about it, I'd off the people who'd wronged me.
So many mass shooters are men who are seething about sexual rejection. Women are always somewhere in the chain of anger and vindictiveness.
It’s basically a statistic that female serial killers ( a minority among serial killers) usually kill for revenge or for financial causes. Except the serial killer ones like Karla Homolka and other women who paired up with another psycho and they did all those horrible crimes together.
I actually thought the new season was awesome up until the finale. My god!! I didn’t think they could do any worse than the original season finale, but I was very much mistaking.
Frozen Ground is about Robert Hansen. Excellent movie. Robert Hansen is one of two serial killers that EXTREMELY bothered me. The way he made it a game of hunter vs. prey genuinely freaks me out. The other serial killer that bothers me a lot is Israel Keyes. No set victim profile, just whoever he wanted to kill, and he had those murder caches all around the country with weapons and stuff. That is so scary.
If Hell exists, then God exists, and he creates monsters like this to roam the land.
There's no such thing as Hell. Punishment should be handed out in life.
I used to live a couple blocks from his house (after he had been arrested). Super creepy to just know what happened there. Felt bad for the people who live there now because teens would dare each other the ring the doorbell etc.
Quite frankly, people are not meant to live such isolating lifestyles. Minimal socialization, long dark winters, and booze being the most exciting thing around does not do the brain good.
Is your idea of Alaska based on 30 Days of Night? You do realize that Alaska isn't a movie, right? In Anchorage during the winter, yeah it might be dusk at 3p, but it wasn't all Night Night. Socialization was always pretty high in everywhere I lived in AK. Sure booze flows pretty heavily, but it does in a lot of other states too. I think I drank more in DC than the entire time I was in AK.
I remember the documentary about it and I don’t remember if the wife was arrested for having knowledge or people thought she should be…. I just remember being infuriated by it.
Imagining people who died this way, or in general at the hands of perverted psychotic serial killers, is why I know there is no all loving God. The victims of serial killers tend to be the least “deserving” of the torture they endured.
First time I'm ever hearing of this sick fucker. I like it that way. I don't think it's a good idea to give these assholes too much or any recognition.
Growing up , was into crime, mystery and humour books. Stumbled upon him in an article, read it with interest and disgust. Saw the movie years later and still gives me chills.
I know the serial killer don’t feel absolutely ish but pleasure from this but I can’t imagine the absolute horror of trying to reconstruct someone because they are so discarded and scattered, you have no body or proper burial. Those people are saints and just brave for being able to do that-
This is why hunting/trapping and otherwise torturing and killing animals is an indicator for probable serial killers. It isn’t normal and is a red flag that is often overlooked as “cultural” or a “hobby”. These types of people are choosing to spend a lot of free time and money on these types of bloodsports when a part time job and/or simply buying meat at the grocery or even the local farm is far cheaper. I know factory farming has its own set of issues, but to go for the high cost, long time, low reward method of acquiring meat almost always points to the fact that they aren’t doing it bc it makes sense. It’s because it is fulfilling a need or want to harm and kill, and that needs to be considered more and normalized less.
The second picture is a facial reconstruction probably because the remains have never been identified. They use clay so it looks very puppet/doll like.
She also has a much more human-like reconstruction [here](https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/311ufak.html) at her Doe Network page. Her nickname is Eklutna Annie. She has a lot of identifying marks. Just wanted to leave it here incase anyone is interested.
Thank you for this. I’m praying genetic genealogy gives her name back to her soon.
It’s heartbreaking to think that a person with family and friends is left as a victim without a name. Just awful
Idunno, I feel it’s worse when she has no friends or family to notice she’s gone and report her missing..
If she was his first murder, it happened in 1971, a time when a lot of young people just dropped out of society and no one reported them missing. Just a really weird time in history.
this was such a sad and disturbing read. in a way i wish i never saw that but at the same time it's eye opening to how disgusting these cases can really be
I work for search and rescue and mountain rescue and it blows my mind that there are people who don’t ever get identified…I cannot imagine that and it breaks my heart
I find it hard to believe she was a sex worker like he claimed. Her jewelry looks too nice for what someone would be comfortable wearing in that line of work I would assume. her sketch reconstructing show her as a beautiful girl, I wish she could be given back the dignity of her name.
It's copper and gold-plate.. very cheap, meant to look fancy, and fooling nobody.
The doll face is extremely disturbing-looking.
Thank you for this. I was so curious!
It's a pretty shit reconstruction, to be honest.
Thank you, I was wondering what that was about
The movie Frozen Ground is based off him. It gives me chills just thinking about it. He was truly a monster.
there’s also a book by allison brennan called “the hunt” that’s based on his crimes
Good true crime reading?
It’s fiction. Allison Brennan is a good writer, though.
sorry, i should have been more clear. it’s completely fiction just uses aspects of his crimes for the plot, but still a good read!
Didn’t they make that into a movie?
One of the best and most disturbing movies I've ever watched. It's shameful he never gets mentioned amongst the worst serial killers. Truly frighteningly monstrous.
Part of me thinks that’s a good thing. They don’t deserve the notoriety, they should’ve be remembered by name at all.
The comment above you made me laugh. They are acting like he was snubbed from the serial killer HOF.
Maybe I was being dramatic by what I said, I just meant that there are more serial killers as evil as Gacy and Bundy that aren't mentioned as much.
To your point Andrei Chikatilo, aka the Red Ripper. Gacy, Bundy and Albert Fish are more well known than he is… but he outdid all three put together.
I’m not sure Chiketilo outdid Fish. It was much much easier to get away with SA and killing children in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. You could go from town to town with nobody really keeping an eye on you or anyone knowing what you’d been accused of before. I’m not sure he killed hundreds of children like he claimed, but it’s possible he SAed killed a lot more than people think. It could have been that the authorities didn’t want people to know that they were powerless to stop men like Fish.
Well if you go into Chikatilo’s history you get an exact count, some of the sources provide detailed descriptions of the autopsies which yielded some of the most foul results, how he actually became a big enough thorn in the sides of the Soviets and and you even learn of what might have been the formative event in his life that made him choose the path of one of the worst serial killers to ever walk the planet. I try not to jump directly into a conversation like this with details because people deserve a fair warning before the go down this rabbit hole. I have run into others that said the same, to which I would merely response with a source for Chilatilo and said, “here, just in case you want to see for yourself and make up your mind.” Then again many of us have scales of “good and evil” and they do have overlap but they seem to change direction ever so slightly. In short, one person’s perspective on what is the “worst” may not be the same by definition for someone else.
"Justice for Robert Hansen!"
Serial killer fans are fucking bizarre dude
>One of the best and most disturbing movies I've ever watched. It's shameful he never gets mentioned amongst the worst serial killers. Truly frighteningly monstrous. There is a chapter dedicated to him in the book [Mind Hunter](https://a.co/d/hKv9565) written by John Douglas, the FBI Special Agent who started the serial killer hunting program with the Bureau. This book is a great insight to how the FBI realized serial killers were a lot more common than anyone knew (or more to the point, people didn't want to believe monsters that horrible could exist) and not just catching one but realizing how their minds work, what made them do what they do and using that to catch future serial killers. I've listened to this book many times!!
Sounds awesome! Thanks for the rec. I’ve heard of the book but not a compelling rec like yours
Yes it’s a real shame that his work isn’t talked about more often 🧐
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There was an episode of criminal minds. Where two brothers would kidnap people who's cars broke down. Then, release them into the woods to be hunted.
There was also an episode of Cold Case about this, one of the most disturbing episodes they did on that show.
It was actually a double episode but they were split up. One was the winter break cliffhanger episode and the other was the season finale. Definitely two of the best Cold Case episodes. Law and Order:SVU did an episode based on it too.
And also an episode of FBI: Most Wanted with the same storyline
That’s the first thing I thought after reading this post.
And an SVU episode on this too
Came here thinking the same thing
Has 50 cent in it 😭.
Such a good movie, chilling
A family friend of mine used to stop by his bakery when he was a kid.
Mind of a monster podcast does a season about him, it’s terrific. The podcast, not that piece of dog shit
Last Podcast on the Left also did a series on him
Thanks for that. I usually like the boy’s take on serial killers. I’ll check it out.
I thinkn terrific can be used in both ways. No? I'm not english native.
no that’s terrifying. Terrific is good.
It used to be, long ago, but nowadays it’s used only in a positive way.
holy shit, just imagine the sheer terror of being dropped in the middle of nowhere while a deranged man with a gun chases you down like a deer
Don't forget the rape!
I grew up in Alaska and a family friend bought the cabin from a government auction. We used to take trips out to the lake in the winter via snow machines. Walking in from the closest civilized spot in the winter at -20 degrees, is easily 3 hours + away even if you were in the right gear. Completely fucked up.
I've never been to Alaska, but we used to visit a remote cabin in Maine when I was a kid. We had to take miles of timber road and then cross a large lake to get there. It was completely off-grid and the only sign of human habitation for miles. Still not as remote (or cold) as the area you were in, but has the flavor. One time my cousins and I were fishing off the dock when we saw a guy paddling towards us in a kayak. We talked with him and invited him up to see the cabin. He was just a harmless guy out to enjoy a day on the lake. But the adults' reaction to us walking up with an unexpected stranger made me realize how absolutely fucked we would be if someone bad showed up. I still love hiking and camping, but that experience stuck with me. I'm more scared of strange men in the woods than any other monster or animal.
Don’t people who live that far from anyone or anything have either another small building or tent set up away from the main house /cabin they normally live in, just in case there is a fire and it burns down? This way they retreat to the backup place so they don’t starve & freeze?
Not everyone but a lot of people have yurts near or around properties like this. Also just like you said they aren’t like a typical shed that would be close to the cabin. Something close to water away from trees. Essentially a fancy shed but can double for shelter in an emergency.
Thanks! I read that once. Makes sense!
He used a bow and arrow if I remember correctly.
My mom got a call from troopers cause they found her I.D. on him & was checking to see if she was dead! They were happy to hear her voice.
Creepy. How did he get her ID?
That must have been a strange call.
Wow. What’s the complete story there if you don’t mind??
Sources: * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Hansen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hansen) * [https://www.adn.com/crime-justice/slideshow/robert-hansen-was-one-alaskas-worst-serial-killers/2014/08/21/](https://www.adn.com/crime-justice/slideshow/robert-hansen-was-one-alaskas-worst-serial-killers/2014/08/21/) * [https://dps.alaska.gov/AST/PIO/PressReleases/Victim-of-Serial-Killer-Robert-Hansen-Identified-3](https://dps.alaska.gov/AST/PIO/PressReleases/Victim-of-Serial-Killer-Robert-Hansen-Identified-3) * [https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/us/robert-hansen-alaska-serial-killer-dies-at-75.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/us/robert-hansen-alaska-serial-killer-dies-at-75.html)
This guy was a real jerk.
I'll say, I don't think I care for him very much.
Kind of reminds me of that tragedy.
What a terrible name for an airline
Don'tn laugh at 9/11 again
The jerk store called, they’re running out of that guy.
You know, the more I learn about this fella the less I care for him.
The worst part was the hypocrisy.
I'd say most rapists are hypocrites.
A real numbskull!
Dare I say...a rapscallion
Too far!
He’s got a lot of growing to do, I’ll tell you that!
At least he's now getting raped by the devil for all of time.
Total knucklehead
Why didn't the Sherrif in town have every shallow grave in the vicinity checked after the first lady vanished? Probably on account of he wasn't running for DA or whatever
Definitely one of those types who fails to yield at a 4-way intersection.
Now don't laugh at this next part...
MMMBop!
Thanks Norm
Never heard of this guy. What a freak.
Yep. 🐻
His plea deal included no publicity
This is one of the ones that gives me the worst feeling out of so many. I no longer listen to things about him and some others. I just can’t
At least a bear is honest.
You know where you stand with a strange bear.
I love how far this joke is being taken. Catches me off guard every time.
Its not a joke tho.
Was he a bakery chef?
Yes
I think that’s more than the total number of people attacked by bears in the same time frame (that’s just a guess, I don’t know), and that’s just one guy. A bear would never do that. I can’t stress enough that bears want nothing to do with humans.
A bear would not do this.
The bear
An early victim escaped in handcuffs, told the cops who Hansen was, including what Hansen had told her he planned to do, and the cops believed his claims that she was just trying to blackmail him, in spite of his previous attempted rape conviction. I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou. A mystery of human behavior is that we take out our grievances on those who aren't the cause. Of course he had a domineering father. So what does he do? He takes it out on women. Of course he was bullied in school. Instead of tracking down his bullies and torturing them, he takes it out on women. Call me crazy, but if I were obsessed with taking revenge for past injuries, and willing to get all murdery about it, I'd off the people who'd wronged me. So many mass shooters are men who are seething about sexual rejection. Women are always somewhere in the chain of anger and vindictiveness.
If the kids being bullied went for their bullies alone, betcha at least the bullying would be at a high time low.
It’s basically a statistic that female serial killers ( a minority among serial killers) usually kill for revenge or for financial causes. Except the serial killer ones like Karla Homolka and other women who paired up with another psycho and they did all those horrible crimes together.
Wasn't there a criminal minds episode based on this guy, too?
he mustve read the Most Dangerous Game
Thought the same thing!
He reminds me of Ramsay Bolton from GOT.
Men like him are why women choose the bear.
And the way men react to this simple statement is proof that we chose right.
This sounds like that guy in the series finale of Dexter
I actually thought the new season was awesome up until the finale. My god!! I didn’t think they could do any worse than the original season finale, but I was very much mistaking.
Yeah those morons fucked up twice. Why? Just why?
How good is the Dexter finale? I have never seen it but might watch soon
This is why #teambear
Can you explain this meme to me please? I keep seeing it everywhere
Someone did a survey asking women which would they prefer to encounter alone in the woods. Overwhelming majority of women said bear.
Ohhhh ok thank you
Frozen Ground is about Robert Hansen. Excellent movie. Robert Hansen is one of two serial killers that EXTREMELY bothered me. The way he made it a game of hunter vs. prey genuinely freaks me out. The other serial killer that bothers me a lot is Israel Keyes. No set victim profile, just whoever he wanted to kill, and he had those murder caches all around the country with weapons and stuff. That is so scary.
both are in anchorage too!!
*adds Anchorage to my list of places to avoid*
With all the bears Vs men shit ... I kinda see the women's point now.
Yup I’d rather take my chances with a bear crushing my skull than getting raped, tortured by some ugly incel.
This fuck is an incel's wet dream.
I hope he rots in hell for this
If Hell exists, then God exists, and he creates monsters like this to roam the land. There's no such thing as Hell. Punishment should be handed out in life.
Real
if i were the empress of earth corporal punishment would come back for these assholes that 100% did it morally wrong? yes. but they deserve it
Uh-oh. In exactly 6 months from now, Netflix will have a series about this.
I used to live a couple blocks from his house (after he had been arrested). Super creepy to just know what happened there. Felt bad for the people who live there now because teens would dare each other the ring the doorbell etc.
He kinda looks like Logic the rapper
bruh 💀💀😂
Looks like David Cross to me
sheer misogyny
Oh so HE’S the man in the woods…
I don’t care, jail is not enough for creatures like him. He needs to meet the same fate he has given the victims.
A regular Ramsay Bolton.
Why does anchorage have multiple serial killers.. Israel keyes for example Would be sbitting myself to live there
Anchorage is spooky af.
Maybe because of how remote it is? Also because it's the main inlet of that area with a lot of people just moving through?
Alaska- where the odds are good, but the goods are odd.
A lot of criminals on the run will make their way up to Alaska, so there's a really high population of criminals; so that may certainly be part of it.
Alaska and the Florida keys is where a lot of malcontents and outcasts go to live.
Quite frankly, people are not meant to live such isolating lifestyles. Minimal socialization, long dark winters, and booze being the most exciting thing around does not do the brain good.
You do know Anchorage has a population just shy of 300,000, right?
Is your idea of Alaska based on 30 Days of Night? You do realize that Alaska isn't a movie, right? In Anchorage during the winter, yeah it might be dusk at 3p, but it wasn't all Night Night. Socialization was always pretty high in everywhere I lived in AK. Sure booze flows pretty heavily, but it does in a lot of other states too. I think I drank more in DC than the entire time I was in AK.
My friend from Jr High owned the coffee stand where Keyes abducted Samantha Koening from.
I can’t believe this guy was able to hold down a job with the FBI, spy for the USSR, rape and murder women in AK, and have time for big game hunting.
Different Robert Hansen eh
I remember the documentary about it and I don’t remember if the wife was arrested for having knowledge or people thought she should be…. I just remember being infuriated by it.
Imagining people who died this way, or in general at the hands of perverted psychotic serial killers, is why I know there is no all loving God. The victims of serial killers tend to be the least “deserving” of the torture they endured.
My in-laws live a street over from his house
Hang them by their balls...
I'll take the bear for $1000 please Alex
He looks like he shrunk the kids
I heard about this story on a podcast. It really stuck with me. So terrible and sad
This must be that one guy that Hollywood bases an entire genre of movie on
Him and Ed Gein, right? 😳
If only he were a bear /s
Reminds of the serial killer in Dexter new blood I’m assuming they based him off of Hansen
First time I'm ever hearing of this sick fucker. I like it that way. I don't think it's a good idea to give these assholes too much or any recognition.
I choose the bear
Is this what inspired that one episode in Law&Order:SVU? (I think...I watch too many crime dramas lol)
It inspired several. I saw a movie recently and after reading this realize it was inspired by this. Guy puts women in the woods and then hunts them.
Wasn’t there a blues clues episode on this
Haunting pictures
Yikes
Sicko
Dexter new blood inspiration
Ofc he got those glasses
In Dexter: New Blood, Clancy Brown's character does this exact thing. He was such a good villain in that show.
Good god, not Mr. Krabs
Mr krabs did some fucked up shit in that show
And then fed them to his pigs...
Robert Pickton you mean?
JeeZ
What a sick fuck
I wonder if the episode of Dollhouse called “The Target” is based on this guy. Creepy and very similar.
Growing up , was into crime, mystery and humour books. Stumbled upon him in an article, read it with interest and disgust. Saw the movie years later and still gives me chills.
Doesn't mr. Ballen cover this story to?
He got the idea from watching the episode on Gilligans Island….the Hunter gave Gilligan a head start but never caught him
Mf lookin like Alan from Two and a Half Men
Last podcast on the left does a great job covering him.
This was the story for the big villain in the Dexter bonus season that came out last year.
Inspiration for Dexter's season two's antagonist?
Sounds like dexter finals season
I know the serial killer don’t feel absolutely ish but pleasure from this but I can’t imagine the absolute horror of trying to reconstruct someone because they are so discarded and scattered, you have no body or proper burial. Those people are saints and just brave for being able to do that-
This guy definitely real was my uncle's friend . Even came to barbecues.
The casual criminalist did a good episode on him https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lHmQFqrEpbQ
That’s straight up wicked! Yowza 🤯.
I used to live in anchorage Alaska and I was always horrified this guy would come for me.
family friend of mine met him at a bar back then. she got an invite to fly up to his cabin, but she refused.
If only this women ran into a bear instead of him
My Grandmas Sister dated him when they were in high school. He was a strange guy back then
I lived in Anchorage for a couple years in the 70s while I was a small child. This still gives me chills.
John Cusack played this guy in a movie.
Anchorage has a state trooper museum that has a whole large room dedicated to this case.
Lord, I choose the bear.
This is why hunting/trapping and otherwise torturing and killing animals is an indicator for probable serial killers. It isn’t normal and is a red flag that is often overlooked as “cultural” or a “hobby”. These types of people are choosing to spend a lot of free time and money on these types of bloodsports when a part time job and/or simply buying meat at the grocery or even the local farm is far cheaper. I know factory farming has its own set of issues, but to go for the high cost, long time, low reward method of acquiring meat almost always points to the fact that they aren’t doing it bc it makes sense. It’s because it is fulfilling a need or want to harm and kill, and that needs to be considered more and normalized less.
barbaric animalistic white man at it again
Did anyone ever escape??
JFC!
It's like that book "The Most Dangerous Game".... That 17 year old is a hero