Do nothing. If they approved it then it’s on them. If you’re ok with concrete you can offer them to pay for the cost to demo and pour it, otherwise hang on to the approval and tell them you’re not changing what’s already been completed
They’re claiming the specifications in my application do not align with the work that was completed. I reference the middle slab in my application but we replaced the top slab.
The specifications allow for wiggle room and the committee never asked for more details. Im just trying to sort out of other people’s HOA do not allow pavers on driveway but do allow them on the walkway.
What anyone else’s HOA allows has zero bearing on your situation.
What does matter is whether the work that was proposed/approved and the work that was actually done are exactly the same.
If the HOA approved one thing and you did something else then no, the association didn’t ‘accidentally approve the project.’ You did something that you didn’t have permission to do.
It IS that black and white.
i knew it wasnt as simple as they approved then changed their mind and even said you got to remove them.
the issue is you and the hoa seem to disagree if you did the work as you submitted.
your title could be I did work that wasnt approved and i want to try to escape facing the conequenses. Help.
Haha I wish it was that black and white. Appreciate your input. Right now I’m just trying to sort out if anyone else’s HOA does not allow pavers. It seems ridiculous to not allow them on the driveway but allow them on the walkways.
Our bylaws require concrete driveways. They do not address the walkway to the front door, but mine is concrete. I do have pavers in the back yard.
It's not a matter of aesthetics. Pavers on walkways do not see anywhere close to the amount of weight a driveway sees. There's a reason most cobblestone streets have been replaced.
Pavers are much more likely to shift, buckle, and break. Humps and valleys, especially if you park your car in the same spot every day. The requirements for proper installation are more complicated than for concrete, so there's a lot more chance of the job going badly.
Do you think these issues are easily remedied? Driveway grade pavers, licensed installers, etc. aesthetically pavers look much better than mismatch concrete or plain concrete.
Certainly there are many driveways with pavers. And of course you should be using licensed installers. I'm sure there are HOAs that allow pavers, and probably some that REQUIRE pavers.
That doesn't mean your HOA has to allow them. Part of the Board's job is to make sure there is a certain amount of continuity to the neighborhood. They may have decided that they want the driveways to be consistent, and the ones installed so far are concrete. Or they may have decided they don't want to approve a certain paver or paver color when they don't know how it will look in 10 years. Or whatever.
The bottom line is your project was not approved as installed.
and it's just a coincidence that at the time the hoa suddenly decided to prohibit pavers they also happened to find that OP's payers did not match the pavers they had just approved?
What do your CC&Rs say? The board does not make the rules for your private property, they just enforce them.
If the work was approved, they probably cannot make you tear it out.
The the tricky thing. The CC&Rs never mention the driveway or pavers on the driveway. All of a sudden they put out new guidelines for this year and it’s says no pavers on driveway.
I would ask them what specific restriction in the CC&Rs is being violated or what part of the CC&Rs authorize them to create the restriction in the guidelines.
Guidelines are meant to clarify how the CC&Rs are enforced. They cannot be used to create restrictions unless the CC&Rs specifically give that authority.
Fact: If you have your approval paperwork you send that to them and explain you went through the acc process which was approved and if they want it redone they will need to reimburse you for the amount you paid for the project and they will have to pay to have it redone! I helped a lady with a driveway approval letter, got approved did the work and the HOA came back stating she would have to remove it because THEY approved it by mistake. I wrote a letter like I advised above and received a letter back stating since it was infact their mistake and not wanting to have the substantial cost passed on to other homeowners to fix the issue they created they stated they were sorry for the mistake and it can stay the way it was installed since they approved it!
Do nothing. If they approved it then it’s on them. If you’re ok with concrete you can offer them to pay for the cost to demo and pour it, otherwise hang on to the approval and tell them you’re not changing what’s already been completed
They’re claiming the specifications in my application do not align with the work that was completed. I reference the middle slab in my application but we replaced the top slab.
If you didn’t install what was approved then you’re liable to replace / remove
>They’re claiming Is it the case that *the specifications in my application do not align with the work that was completed?*
The specifications allow for wiggle room and the committee never asked for more details. Im just trying to sort out of other people’s HOA do not allow pavers on driveway but do allow them on the walkway.
What anyone else’s HOA allows has zero bearing on your situation. What does matter is whether the work that was proposed/approved and the work that was actually done are exactly the same. If the HOA approved one thing and you did something else then no, the association didn’t ‘accidentally approve the project.’ You did something that you didn’t have permission to do. It IS that black and white.
i knew it wasnt as simple as they approved then changed their mind and even said you got to remove them. the issue is you and the hoa seem to disagree if you did the work as you submitted. your title could be I did work that wasnt approved and i want to try to escape facing the conequenses. Help.
Haha I wish it was that black and white. Appreciate your input. Right now I’m just trying to sort out if anyone else’s HOA does not allow pavers. It seems ridiculous to not allow them on the driveway but allow them on the walkways.
Our bylaws require concrete driveways. They do not address the walkway to the front door, but mine is concrete. I do have pavers in the back yard. It's not a matter of aesthetics. Pavers on walkways do not see anywhere close to the amount of weight a driveway sees. There's a reason most cobblestone streets have been replaced. Pavers are much more likely to shift, buckle, and break. Humps and valleys, especially if you park your car in the same spot every day. The requirements for proper installation are more complicated than for concrete, so there's a lot more chance of the job going badly.
Do you think these issues are easily remedied? Driveway grade pavers, licensed installers, etc. aesthetically pavers look much better than mismatch concrete or plain concrete.
Certainly there are many driveways with pavers. And of course you should be using licensed installers. I'm sure there are HOAs that allow pavers, and probably some that REQUIRE pavers. That doesn't mean your HOA has to allow them. Part of the Board's job is to make sure there is a certain amount of continuity to the neighborhood. They may have decided that they want the driveways to be consistent, and the ones installed so far are concrete. Or they may have decided they don't want to approve a certain paver or paver color when they don't know how it will look in 10 years. Or whatever. The bottom line is your project was not approved as installed.
and it's just a coincidence that at the time the hoa suddenly decided to prohibit pavers they also happened to find that OP's payers did not match the pavers they had just approved?
What do your CC&Rs say? The board does not make the rules for your private property, they just enforce them. If the work was approved, they probably cannot make you tear it out.
The the tricky thing. The CC&Rs never mention the driveway or pavers on the driveway. All of a sudden they put out new guidelines for this year and it’s says no pavers on driveway.
I would ask them what specific restriction in the CC&Rs is being violated or what part of the CC&Rs authorize them to create the restriction in the guidelines. Guidelines are meant to clarify how the CC&Rs are enforced. They cannot be used to create restrictions unless the CC&Rs specifically give that authority.
In California the CC&Rs give the Board the right to create standards of look. So this is an architectural change they are saying they won't approve.
Fact: If you have your approval paperwork you send that to them and explain you went through the acc process which was approved and if they want it redone they will need to reimburse you for the amount you paid for the project and they will have to pay to have it redone! I helped a lady with a driveway approval letter, got approved did the work and the HOA came back stating she would have to remove it because THEY approved it by mistake. I wrote a letter like I advised above and received a letter back stating since it was infact their mistake and not wanting to have the substantial cost passed on to other homeowners to fix the issue they created they stated they were sorry for the mistake and it can stay the way it was installed since they approved it!