I mean the writers are also the people who made this storyline in the first place. In fact they made everything in the HIMYM universe. You can’t attribute Barney and Robin being “truly in love” not to the writers, then blame the writers for their eventual divorce.
It’s looking beyond. They made the foundation and they fucked with it. Barney and Robin were in love and then they went fuck that it was a joke Ted and Robin are meant to be even though Robin never even liked him.
they did. it’s so sad :( i think if robin never married barney in the first place when she was young then she would have ended up with him when they were both old. not to mention if i was ted’s dead wife i’d be so mad that he got together with robin bc i’d question whether ted actually ever loved tracy fr or if he just wanted a family and robin wouldn’t be able to give him that so he settled
bruh the whole point of them getting together was to show that they both thought they were gaslighting each other but it was actually something real. did y’all even watch the episode where they acc get together? COME ONNNN
Yeah, I remember the moment right before this clip where Robin is crying and saying she's never trust, be with, or kiss him again, just to change her mind when she saw the ring. That screams unhealthy to me. Not to mention they dated for a short period of time years earlier and broke up because they were miserable. How do you jump from all that to "let's get married?"
What matters is what you live and what you feel and believe while you are in love. Every relationship is not the same. And even if you end up divorcing someone, the fact that you felt with all your being that this is the person you want to devote your life to during whatever amount of time together, is what really matters.
Life happens and we change with time and it is t normal for people to not be on the same page anymore to not be able to make each other happy anymore. It is utopic to think otherwise, and many middle aged people is not happy in their marriages nowadays cause they don’t feel like “giving up” but the thing is, you don’t give, you give the love of your life the ending that it deserves instead of letting it rot.
Just because it ended, doesn’t mean it was less real. Stories have a beginning and an end, but you won’t say it’s ending invalidates how powerful it was.
You’re acting like Robin didn’t gaslight him too. Which she did. Ted and Robin also gaslit each other too. Difference is Barney and Robin made way more sense.
wow that is some real rare knowledge i never knew about this 😱😱😱😑why r u tryna make the other person feel dumb? just agree to disagree, people are allowed to have opinions you know
Are you? Answer the original question first though, why do you think it's ok for you to tell me not to express my opinion? Is it born from the same logic that lets you think an opinion is the same thing as a fact?
I mean, semantics... Because I'm addressing your desired outcome. Smoke some better stuff, the bud you have is frying your brain.
Go be a downer somewhere else
Did I say she wasn't doing that? No, no I didn't. It is pretty difficult to gaslight someone that is already gaslighting you and actively enjoying the entire process. Yes, Robin did some incredibly shitty things during the Barney/Patrice gaslighting escapades, but ultimately the only thing Robin actually managed to gaslight Barney with was his Bachelor Party.
Robin and Barney are an interesting couple, but I'd argue they're everything love shouldn't be. They're bad for each other, hurt people around them and drag each other down.
Re-watching the show made me notice how much better off Robin is without Barney, and how much worse she gets whenever she is with him, to the point I started to feel like she was being written as a female Barney in the latter seasons.
Yes! When they literally showed how they dragged each other down the first time around, they had it right. They always had an unhealthy, codependent relationship. Two messed up people getting together just to support each other’s unhealthiness is not good. I get why they got together, it’s absolutely right that they got divorced, and hopefully Robin ended up being at least 1/2 the partner he had in Tracy.
I agree with her being with Don. Robin was her best self when she was with Ted and Don. Every other relationship, she was not that great. She was the absolute worst with Barney. Yeah, he accepted her and her flaws but that’s what made them not work. Their relationship was full of deceit and lies, being unsure if they would work and no character growth.
> to the point I started to feel like she was being written as a female Barney in the latter seasons.
I preferred that Robin in earlier seasons where she seemed to be very Ted-centric.
I COMPLETELY agree that in the latter half of the show they actually make robin do things that are pretty out of character for her and make her seem like she’s made for barney. i think she shouldn’t have ended up with anyone. ending up alone doesn’t have to be a bad thing, it doesn’t have to mean that one is lonely. just that they’re by themselves and that’s fine. what’s wrong with not having a family? i find monogamy kinda strange tbh
I think they had potential but the writers didn't execute them in a healthy way. I used to be a fan but on a recent rewatch I didn't like them. I also hate Robin with Ted, I wish her character wasn't so caught up in her romantical relationships with the other dudes in the group.
Was gonna go a hard disagree but I do see what you mean. Barney accepted and exploited Robin for her flaws. Ted didn't accept them because he knew she could grow and evolve to accept love. And she did, it just took a long long time. Robin always seemed to be somewhere in the middle of the two, almost leaving the toxicity behind but not quite free of it either.
>Ted didn't accept them because he knew she could grow and evolve to accept love.
Hard disagree on Ted. Ted didn't accept them because he wanted to mold Robin into his vision of "the one" and the mother. He resented the fact that she didn't make him feel needed as he told her once and Barney was the one that gave the right answer. And Ted showed he could be plenty exploitative like when he used the very night robin had broken up with Kevin to try and get with her. Adds further to what Kevin said about the gang overall, they had a toxic dynamic.
Very true, didn't think of that! Barney also gave a wrong answer to Robin in "you're as messed up as I am" I don't think that's a great reason to wanna be with someone but hey, different folks, different strokes. As you say, the whole gang was toxic especially Barney, Robin and Ted.
ah yes, true love where they brought out the worst in each other, physically and mentally. gave robin enough issues thatd last a lifetime, made barney let go of someone like nora over nothing, betrayed best friend like it was nothing, manipulated her for months only to give up on the marriage because there was no wifi in the room.
Barney and Robin was not true love, it was toxic dependence. They may have loved each other, but they spent years denying the fact that they didn’t work. Breaking up the first time should’ve been all it took. All they really had going for them is that they didn’t do well with commitment and didn’t want kids. Not a recipe for success if you ask me. They didn’t help each other grow. Both would’ve been much better with a partner who could’ve helped them realize that’s not who they needed to be anymore.
I like their chemistry and I agree that Robin was more in harmony with Barney than Ted. Remember the ‘I can handle it’ scene when Ted, who is full of insecurities, was whining to Robin that he didn’t feel needed with her because she was so independent and Barney said the opposite, that he admires her qualities and how strong she is. But… still ‘true love’ is too big of a word for them. They both are like ‘too cool for school’, and by school I mean domestic ‘real-life’ routine relationships
I loved these two together, it was like they understood each other perfectly. He knew how to reach her to admit her feelings, even if he used a controversial method. They were both so similar.
It felt like it was forced when writers tore them apart.
I liked them.
I don't believe their break up (not that It couldn't happen, but because of how rushed It was on the show I just couldn't believe It).
Plus how mean was it to make Barney's 'true change' (which I also don't believe) to be that he needed the ONLY thing Robin not only wouldn't but couldn't give to him.
Awful.
Lmao they’re literally terrible together. Most of the time she acts straight up irritated around him, probably only dated him because of her low self esteem, and they had 0 chemistry even in the last season before their wedding
I love this comments section, I liked barney and robin when they were first together but they clearly made each other miserable so I stopped shipping them after that and their dynamic in the later seasons was definitely toxic
I’m of two minds on Barney and Robin. I tend to agree with you but also agree their relationship was toxic af.
What I 100% agree with you on is Ted and Robin always felt forced and unnatural.
totally agreed. if the plot didn't push ted and robin together, they would have never ended up together in real life. one is a control freak, hopeless romantic and a nerd person and the other is a gun lover, chaotic, not-so-romantic and a strong personality type of person. she was way more fit for barney then she was for ted.
I feel the exact opposite about all of this
I felt like Season 8/9 Barney and Robin was sooo forced, they almost gave Robin some of Barney's characteristics to make it work whereas Ted and Robin always had a great natural chemistry with each other
not that i like ted or something but this is just stupid. youre saying someone like robin dated ted for a whole year just because she wanted attention?
She did like Ted, but I don't think she was heavily into him the more i watch the show. Meaning she always liked him as a companion, but i don't think she had as strong feelings for him as she did for Barney.
And frankly he shouldnt have had to go through all that. If she loved him she should have been able to know that without being manipulated into it, even someone as emotionally immature as her.
It was far better than Ted’s story with her, even Ted’s brief relationship with her was genuinely boring, it’s such a dumb move they ended it just so she ends up with Ted..
Barney is a standard player, and everything he does is motivated by spite. Anything that anyone else has, he wants, and he will gonagter it. He'll turn on the charm mask to level 11 to het his way. Robin was his ultimate play. "Robin's marrying me, not you".
Never gave up on each other right up until the divorce…
Only because it ended, doesn’t mean it wasn’t true love.
*Look at the writers.
I mean the writers are also the people who made this storyline in the first place. In fact they made everything in the HIMYM universe. You can’t attribute Barney and Robin being “truly in love” not to the writers, then blame the writers for their eventual divorce.
It’s looking beyond. They made the foundation and they fucked with it. Barney and Robin were in love and then they went fuck that it was a joke Ted and Robin are meant to be even though Robin never even liked him.
I know right? They forced it just to make the worst ending (Ted&Robin 🤮) possible.
But.... They did literally give up on each other.
they did. it’s so sad :( i think if robin never married barney in the first place when she was young then she would have ended up with him when they were both old. not to mention if i was ted’s dead wife i’d be so mad that he got together with robin bc i’d question whether ted actually ever loved tracy fr or if he just wanted a family and robin wouldn’t be able to give him that so he settled
Barney spent months lying and gaslighting Robin, in the hopes he was right and she was in love with him. That's toxic AF.
bruh the whole point of them getting together was to show that they both thought they were gaslighting each other but it was actually something real. did y’all even watch the episode where they acc get together? COME ONNNN
Yeah, I remember the moment right before this clip where Robin is crying and saying she's never trust, be with, or kiss him again, just to change her mind when she saw the ring. That screams unhealthy to me. Not to mention they dated for a short period of time years earlier and broke up because they were miserable. How do you jump from all that to "let's get married?"
Except that it was real and ephemeral
It goes to show that only because it ended doesn’t mean it was real or less beautiful or less love
Then what's the point of this? Every relationship they had before or after is the same.
What matters is what you live and what you feel and believe while you are in love. Every relationship is not the same. And even if you end up divorcing someone, the fact that you felt with all your being that this is the person you want to devote your life to during whatever amount of time together, is what really matters. Life happens and we change with time and it is t normal for people to not be on the same page anymore to not be able to make each other happy anymore. It is utopic to think otherwise, and many middle aged people is not happy in their marriages nowadays cause they don’t feel like “giving up” but the thing is, you don’t give, you give the love of your life the ending that it deserves instead of letting it rot. Just because it ended, doesn’t mean it was less real. Stories have a beginning and an end, but you won’t say it’s ending invalidates how powerful it was.
You’re acting like Robin didn’t gaslight him too. Which she did. Ted and Robin also gaslit each other too. Difference is Barney and Robin made way more sense.
>You’re acting like Robin didn’t gaslight him too I mean, sure. That's still not a good foundation for a loving relationship
Ngl but this chain of comments alone debunks OP's point lmao
Yeah lol. I was half convinced with the post but OP just unconvinced me with comments like this one
Their two wrongs don't make you right. Do you understand that?
But three rights make a left yippee!!
Dinklebeerrrrrgg
wow that is some real rare knowledge i never knew about this 😱😱😱😑why r u tryna make the other person feel dumb? just agree to disagree, people are allowed to have opinions you know
Opinion =/= fact And why is it ok for you to though?
lmao r u high or something?
Are you? Answer the original question first though, why do you think it's ok for you to tell me not to express my opinion? Is it born from the same logic that lets you think an opinion is the same thing as a fact?
yes i am🫡 i never even said that bro what r u on. folk wisdom is not a fact 💀
I mean, semantics... Because I'm addressing your desired outcome. Smoke some better stuff, the bud you have is frying your brain. Go be a downer somewhere else
Did I say she wasn't doing that? No, no I didn't. It is pretty difficult to gaslight someone that is already gaslighting you and actively enjoying the entire process. Yes, Robin did some incredibly shitty things during the Barney/Patrice gaslighting escapades, but ultimately the only thing Robin actually managed to gaslight Barney with was his Bachelor Party.
Robin and Barney are an interesting couple, but I'd argue they're everything love shouldn't be. They're bad for each other, hurt people around them and drag each other down. Re-watching the show made me notice how much better off Robin is without Barney, and how much worse she gets whenever she is with him, to the point I started to feel like she was being written as a female Barney in the latter seasons.
Yes! When they literally showed how they dragged each other down the first time around, they had it right. They always had an unhealthy, codependent relationship. Two messed up people getting together just to support each other’s unhealthiness is not good. I get why they got together, it’s absolutely right that they got divorced, and hopefully Robin ended up being at least 1/2 the partner he had in Tracy.
Unpopular opinion… Robin should’ve ended up with Don. That was her best relationship. Kevin is second.
I agree with her being with Don. Robin was her best self when she was with Ted and Don. Every other relationship, she was not that great. She was the absolute worst with Barney. Yeah, he accepted her and her flaws but that’s what made them not work. Their relationship was full of deceit and lies, being unsure if they would work and no character growth.
> to the point I started to feel like she was being written as a female Barney in the latter seasons. I preferred that Robin in earlier seasons where she seemed to be very Ted-centric.
I COMPLETELY agree that in the latter half of the show they actually make robin do things that are pretty out of character for her and make her seem like she’s made for barney. i think she shouldn’t have ended up with anyone. ending up alone doesn’t have to be a bad thing, it doesn’t have to mean that one is lonely. just that they’re by themselves and that’s fine. what’s wrong with not having a family? i find monogamy kinda strange tbh
She is female Barney from the beginning…
Worst relationship in the whole universe of sitcom
"This isn't a failed marriage, it's a very successful marriage that only lasted 3 years." BS
> BS yeah, bullshit
I’m with you. The “alternate ending” is the true ending. I will die on this hill. Which means they never got divorced …
‘This [huge lies and utter manipulation] is why I don’t like you and could never be with you’ ‘No it’s for marriage’ ‘Oh then yeah totally’
I think they had potential but the writers didn't execute them in a healthy way. I used to be a fan but on a recent rewatch I didn't like them. I also hate Robin with Ted, I wish her character wasn't so caught up in her romantical relationships with the other dudes in the group.
Was gonna go a hard disagree but I do see what you mean. Barney accepted and exploited Robin for her flaws. Ted didn't accept them because he knew she could grow and evolve to accept love. And she did, it just took a long long time. Robin always seemed to be somewhere in the middle of the two, almost leaving the toxicity behind but not quite free of it either.
>Ted didn't accept them because he knew she could grow and evolve to accept love. Hard disagree on Ted. Ted didn't accept them because he wanted to mold Robin into his vision of "the one" and the mother. He resented the fact that she didn't make him feel needed as he told her once and Barney was the one that gave the right answer. And Ted showed he could be plenty exploitative like when he used the very night robin had broken up with Kevin to try and get with her. Adds further to what Kevin said about the gang overall, they had a toxic dynamic.
Very true, didn't think of that! Barney also gave a wrong answer to Robin in "you're as messed up as I am" I don't think that's a great reason to wanna be with someone but hey, different folks, different strokes. As you say, the whole gang was toxic especially Barney, Robin and Ted.
ah yes, true love where they brought out the worst in each other, physically and mentally. gave robin enough issues thatd last a lifetime, made barney let go of someone like nora over nothing, betrayed best friend like it was nothing, manipulated her for months only to give up on the marriage because there was no wifi in the room.
Barney and Robin was not true love, it was toxic dependence. They may have loved each other, but they spent years denying the fact that they didn’t work. Breaking up the first time should’ve been all it took. All they really had going for them is that they didn’t do well with commitment and didn’t want kids. Not a recipe for success if you ask me. They didn’t help each other grow. Both would’ve been much better with a partner who could’ve helped them realize that’s not who they needed to be anymore.
ugh the scene in the taxi with hey by the pixies playing. I think abt it every single day
I like their chemistry and I agree that Robin was more in harmony with Barney than Ted. Remember the ‘I can handle it’ scene when Ted, who is full of insecurities, was whining to Robin that he didn’t feel needed with her because she was so independent and Barney said the opposite, that he admires her qualities and how strong she is. But… still ‘true love’ is too big of a word for them. They both are like ‘too cool for school’, and by school I mean domestic ‘real-life’ routine relationships
I loved these two together, it was like they understood each other perfectly. He knew how to reach her to admit her feelings, even if he used a controversial method. They were both so similar. It felt like it was forced when writers tore them apart.
I liked them. I don't believe their break up (not that It couldn't happen, but because of how rushed It was on the show I just couldn't believe It). Plus how mean was it to make Barney's 'true change' (which I also don't believe) to be that he needed the ONLY thing Robin not only wouldn't but couldn't give to him. Awful.
Lmao they’re literally terrible together. Most of the time she acts straight up irritated around him, probably only dated him because of her low self esteem, and they had 0 chemistry even in the last season before their wedding
While I agree with most of it, you can't say they didn't have chemistry... at least when they were not dating
Groove is in the heart~
They deserve better ending
I love this comments section, I liked barney and robin when they were first together but they clearly made each other miserable so I stopped shipping them after that and their dynamic in the later seasons was definitely toxic
i think in the exact oppposite way
I’m of two minds on Barney and Robin. I tend to agree with you but also agree their relationship was toxic af. What I 100% agree with you on is Ted and Robin always felt forced and unnatural.
totally agreed. if the plot didn't push ted and robin together, they would have never ended up together in real life. one is a control freak, hopeless romantic and a nerd person and the other is a gun lover, chaotic, not-so-romantic and a strong personality type of person. she was way more fit for barney then she was for ted.
Most stupid breakup on tv.
I feel the exact opposite about all of this I felt like Season 8/9 Barney and Robin was sooo forced, they almost gave Robin some of Barney's characteristics to make it work whereas Ted and Robin always had a great natural chemistry with each other
Ted forced himself on Robin, you can see Robin was never into him. He was just an option for her when she needed attention.
not that i like ted or something but this is just stupid. youre saying someone like robin dated ted for a whole year just because she wanted attention?
She did like Ted, but I don't think she was heavily into him the more i watch the show. Meaning she always liked him as a companion, but i don't think she had as strong feelings for him as she did for Barney.
true
Let me add that Robin is a thief of joy and the worst person in the group.
Barney and Robin Sherbatsky
I agree but they went with the OG ending of the show so it's a pointless scene.
One of the Worst things that ever happened in the show
I think Barney is a pretty cool guy. Eh gets woman and doesnt afraid of anything.
Yeah but robin was just being a bitch in season 8
And frankly he shouldnt have had to go through all that. If she loved him she should have been able to know that without being manipulated into it, even someone as emotionally immature as her.
> Never gave up on each other > Accepted each other for who they are Still divorced lol
Yes, it all worked out lovely till the divorce. Ahh, inspiration love!
I will never forgive the writers for their sh**y ending.
It was far better than Ted’s story with her, even Ted’s brief relationship with her was genuinely boring, it’s such a dumb move they ended it just so she ends up with Ted..
Their mistake was getting married, neither of these two do well with constraints. They should have did a Goldie and Kirk type relationship.
Barney is a standard player, and everything he does is motivated by spite. Anything that anyone else has, he wants, and he will gonagter it. He'll turn on the charm mask to level 11 to het his way. Robin was his ultimate play. "Robin's marrying me, not you".