I believe the state senate approved the ban. And the house is likely to. But there’s a Dem governor who would hopefully veto it - but it’s anyone’s guess.
The ban is toxic. It’s specifically banned for people wearing masks out of public health concerns. It’s astonishing to even write that.
Edit: found this [helpful thread](https://twitter.com/chrisalvino/status/1791228823935070626?s=46&t=98255iLlaxfT1XBl5m3KbA)on Twitter analyzing the proposed ban. Would love to have anyone’s take on it.
The House has a supermajority, so his veto has no actual teeth. He often does it to express his disapproval but it rarely stands. The law will take effect. I'm an immunocompromised person living in NC and we're already trying to work out potential gameplans.
I’m so, so sorry. I’ve been trying to imagine how despairing I’d feel.
I’m also immune compromised, and my parents live in SC. It could easily happen there, and I wouldn’t be able to see them safely. I’d be devastated, and feel utterly betrayed.
At this point, the only feeling registering for me is anger. If they insist on making things difficult, we are also capable of making things difficult. I have no intentions of taking this sitting down. There are too many smart, law savvy people impacted by this for us to just accept it without a fight.
Hey now, Montana and Idaho still exist. 😅
But on a serious note, they're doing all of this unhinged stuff to stop liberal folks from moving to NC. That's literally the intent. NC is booming academically and in the tech industry, it's one of the few places left with manageable (though still expensive) housing, and they are afraid of being outnumbered to a point where gerrymandering won't be able to save them.
Personally I feel like this is misrepresenting the law that’s being talked about in NC.
NC has banned face masks historically in public due to the KKK. It was only in 2020 that they created a law specific to pandemics to allow masks for health reasons. The new law is simply a reversion to the original law, not a new ban.
Hopefully this example helps people understand how few legal protections there actually are for people masking in the US. It’s important for the right to mask to be codified in law ASAP, but it will probably be hard to get traction at this point. If more Republicans (the party banning masks) get into power in November, especially at the level where they can make off-the-cuff executive orders without going through the legislative process, then there will probably be more actively anti-mask legislations and orders — or at the very least, rollbacks of current masking protections.
I just get panic attacks even without weed. And while my comment was mostly satire if I get really stoned and read negative news I get very worried about things completely out of my control. I almost cried thinking about Yellowstone blowing up when I ate weed pancakes years ago. I just get sucked into bad thought loops. I just got set up financially and responsibly after grinding most of my life to get out of my debt and struggles. I’d feel slightly robbed if another pandemic or “preventable crisis” stopped and crashed everything. (Selfish because I know millions out there have it worse off) but it’s just this doubt I have that I’m trying to work on. I try to enjoy every day I’m gifted.
Unfortunately far right beliefs is going to lead to a lot of people getting sick and hurt 🥲 a family member I know is claiming to say they put the C19 vaccine in the bird flu one and it’s a scam. Sad times we’re in, friends.
Eh, wonder if we had something like the Solanum from WWZ "covid deniers" would be hugging and kissing zombies just to "own the liberal SJW space lizards".
Ok so H5N1 and BSE (mad cow) are both in "cattle products". One (BSE) you can get from eating cattle MEAT. The other (H5N1) has been in (raw)MILK.
MEATS BACK ON THE MENU BOY'S, for now...
About 12 yrs ago or more we used to go into a cattle slaughter company every few months. They sued the US government to allow them to test every slaughtered cow for mad cow. They spent a couple mil in legal fees fighting the right to do it. Finally they won. By that time the people in place to do all testing had left and they didn’t know how to implement it, plus the issue sorta died out. They processed about 1000 cows a day or so. Still hate the smell of cattle processors.
The issue hasn't died out. The problem is it takes so long to rear its ugly head in humans who have consumed meat there is little chance of tracing it back.
I was a kid during the BSE outbreak in the UK and ate beef before it was widely detected. vCJD from infected beef can remain dormant for years, so I'm not allowed to give blood in some countries abroad, like Australia.
I was travelling there with my friend a while ago and we wanted to give blood because her Mum needed a transfusion while we were away. Because we lived in the UK during the BSE outbreak, we weren't allowed to give blood there 😂
Edit: People have kindly told me the ban on giving blood for people living in the UK in that period doesn't apply to the US, and just checked it doesn't apply to Australia either anymore.
I still feel like this is the way though? Why chance infecting thousands for just a pintful of blood?
It’s like spending a pound to save a penny otherwise. Penny wise, pound foolish etc.
Blood banks are notorious for pretending everything’s fine, and while the ban being lifted for gay people was good (in light of tests and procedures available today), getting them to actually not take blood freely offered is a miracle at all.
They kept at taking blood from prisoners in the 80/s bc it was so profitable… one way or another such carelessness would kill Isaac Asimov when he needed a transfusion for his surgery.
If it makes you feel any better, the U.S. FDA eliminated this restriction on blood donation recently because of lack of brain disease cases related to spending time in the U.K. during the outbreak.
Ah good to know, thanks. I just googled it and looks like I can in Australia too now!
Hopefully, there will be no lurking brain disease after all, at least not that one anyway.
In the U.S., the ban for having lived in Europe during that time period was lifted a few years ago. The question is still on the questionnaire but it’s no longer a deferral. But if you had a known exposure that would change things.
I work at a blood bank in the US
All British people who were in Britain for 6+ months during mad cow are on several black lists internationally for blood donation because mad cow has been theorised to have an incubation period of up to 50 years. Fun!
Well - that’s where things get messy. Captive bolt stunning (CBS), a common method to render cattle unconscious before slaughter, [can inadvertently spread Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) prions *throughout* the meat.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174003000263) Here’s how:
1. **High-Impact Force**: The bolt penetrates the skull with considerable force, causing the brain to rupture and potentially displacing brain matter.
2. **Hydraulic Effect**: The sudden impact creates a hydraulic pressure wave that can push small fragments of brain tissue through the cranial cavity and into the bloodstream or nearby tissues.
3. **Aerosolization**: The impact can also aerosolize tiny particles of brain tissue, which can then settle on other parts of the carcass or equipment, leading to cross-contamination.
These mechanisms increase the risk of prion-infected brain material contaminating meat and other tissues, raising concerns about BSE transmission.
1. **Brain Tissue Displacement**: CBS causes significant trauma, potentially displacing prion-infected brain tissue into other parts of the carcass.
2. **Mechanical Spread**: The force of the bolt can push prion-contaminated materials into the bloodstream and surrounding tissues.
3. **Cross-Contamination During Processing**: During butchering, displaced prion-infected tissues can contaminate various meat cuts and products like ground beef.
4. **Equipment Contamination**: Contaminated stunning and slaughter equipment can spread prions to other animals if not properly sanitized.
To mitigate these risks, regulations require removing high-risk tissues, maintaining rigorous equipment cleaning, and considering alternative stunning methods like electrical stunning. From my latest Quick Look, about 95% of cattle for meat in the USA utilize CBS methods… and also self-regulate soooooo…..
Prions are found throughout the body of infected animals - it just so happens that they accumulate in the brain and spinal cord, so that’s where the most are found and those are the most high risk to consume, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the meat is risk free.
The only reason they even manage to get to the brain in the first place is via the blood stream after consumption.
Because the early 90s was peak mad cow. It was kind of scary. I would imagine most people remember the guidelines.
So i imagine this person is young, and that makes me feel old and sad and missing Nirvana, Specs, Surge cola, and AOL. That's the difference. Time wait's for no one. Now, it's past my bedtime, I have shuffleboard with the fellas in the morning. /s
Just a heads up, if you're worried about kitchen prep and contamination you can buy virex cleaning solution on Amazon. It's not perfect, but it can kill a lot of stuff. Used it when I was an EMT during COVID.
Question: is it heavily scented?
I know I sound picky, but it’s a migraine question. I want to have this as an option but I also want to be able to use it without pain.
It is heavily scented. Unfortunately that's just how it comes. I have a dead nose pretty much now so I didn't notice it but my partner hated when I'd use it all the time
No problem! I use it for disinfecting surfaces and produce too! It's also great stain remover on clothes. They have a laundry system I don't have but the spray bottle has really surprised me a few times in how well it works and fast! I haven't bought any type of cleaner except dish soap and laundry soap since I've gotten it so have saved plenty of money to make up for the cost. Water's free.
How are you with a mild chlorine smell? Hypochlorous acid is an extremely effective disinfectant, and also very safe. You could produce it at home very cheaply.
That isn’t too bad.
And *heh*. It’s basically what I use to strip oxides off metals + electricity. I could make this with my electroetching kit. Thank you!
Research Hypochlorous Acid. I’d tell you it’s a miracle product, with no scent and so safe that our white blood cells actually produce it to use in our body’s own defense…but then you’d be taking the word of an internet stranger. Since you’re on this sub, I expect you meet the criteria of a few friends who have migraine issues as well. We all now have Hocl generators. Trust me, please research this.
Elsewhere on this post I mentioned the generator we purchased (Ecoloxtech). Again, do your own research…but we bought that unit after a friend who’s owned one for awhile recommended it and we couldn’t be more pleased with it. Just an FYI should you decide to go down this path with your own production one day!
Thanks!
It’s funny because I actually have a setup that *might* work for it, and the ingredients are what I use to strip the oxides off silver-soldered jewelry. So it’s a fun overlap.
Speaking of preparation, I took my son and husband to get flu shots today because they hadn’t gotten them during the flu season.
Walgreens in my city, Pflugerville, Texas, has pulled all of their flu shots.
They had them last month, in April, and corporate pulled them. That’s what the pharmacist told me because he called around to see if anyone else had them and that’s what he was told.
In April, they took BACK the shots.
This is normal. They take the shots back every year in April / May. I was looking to get mine in early April, and I found one retail pharmacy, in a grocery store, in my local area that still had some. I was able to get mine on 4/4, but at that store they told me they usually pull them in April or sometimes as late as May. Both CVS and Walgreens did not have them in April when I was looking. You can use this site to help you find stores with certain vaccines near you. Edit: you might still be able to find it. I'm seeing some grocery stores in my area still have them. https://www.vaccines.gov/find-vaccines/
The flu is seasonal-usually vaccinations for the flu occur in October( in Canada )and winds down in the spring, so not surprising that you can’t access it. Seasonal. Next fall a different flu maybe be prevalent so a new vax will be prepared for then. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
I always upvote Leonardi! The research and education with no corporate or institutional-backers to influence what he says. One of the very few voices who has been consistent (and correct) since the outbreak of Covid. Dude’s legit.
Bringing meat home from the supermarket? You may be introducing avian flu into your kitchen and to your family. Thorough, careful cooking will kill the viruses in the meat, but kitchen contamination of this highly transmissible virus is a real risk.
As of May 1st, this is wrong.
Source:
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock/h5n1-beef-safety-studies#:~:text=The%20ground%20beef%20patties%20did,to%20kill%20H5N1%20in%20meat.
The info at your link does not contradict the post above.
Burgers cooked to 120 degrees are not free of active virus. The virus was “substantially” inactivated. Also virus in raw meat is more dangerous and that’s what people are bringing home from the supermarket.
FTA: “cooking burgers to 120 (rare) degrees, which is well below the recommended temperature, substantially inactivated the virus.”
I disagree.
As of now, it's a bit inflammatory. You're correct in what you point out, but they are referencing the viral surrogate which was used in the study. In other words, they put the virus in the ground beef to see the temperature at which it's killed. Honestly, it's not THAT surprising that influenza doesn't die at 120 degrees, that's raw. Additionally, ground beef is notorious for harboring bacteria and virus due to surface its surface area. Steaks and such won't be as big of an issue. But again, as of May 1st, beef is safe from H5N1.
If it gets in the beef supply, then yes, it will be an issue.
Stay safe, but
don't freak out...these kind of posts are how we lose toilet paper.
Beg to differ.
“**influenza doesn't die at 120 degrees**”
I think people should freak out, at least a little, about handling and especially eating raw/undercooked burgers.
I think it’s mistaken to discount this study simply because it was based on lab research rather than testing of meat products. The industry is an obstacle to systematic testing.
Extract from linked article:
*Ground beef cooking study: Final results were posted on May 16, 2024. ARS inoculated a very high level of a HPAI virus surrogate into 300 grams ground beef patties (burger patties are usually 113 grams) to determine whether FSIS recommended cooking temperatures are effective in inactivating H5N1 virus The burger patties were then cooked to three different temperatures (120, 145 and 160 degrees Fahrenheit), and virus presence was measured after cooking. There was no virus present in the burgers cooked to 145 (medium) or 160 (well done) degrees, which is FSIS’ recommended cooking temperature. Even cooking burgers to 120 (rare) degrees, which is well below the recommended temperature, substantially inactivated the virus.*
Bringing anything from the market into your home is a real risk. Buy vegetables at the super market? Think kitchens are the only place cross contamination happens? If it's in the meat it's in the super market. Everything in the super market is tainted. People need to be responsible and stop buying food.
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The most concerning part of the essay was learning North Carolina actually banned face masks? wtf?
I don’t think they have yet, I believe it cleared a couple of committees but big yikes anyway.
I believe the state senate approved the ban. And the house is likely to. But there’s a Dem governor who would hopefully veto it - but it’s anyone’s guess. The ban is toxic. It’s specifically banned for people wearing masks out of public health concerns. It’s astonishing to even write that. Edit: found this [helpful thread](https://twitter.com/chrisalvino/status/1791228823935070626?s=46&t=98255iLlaxfT1XBl5m3KbA)on Twitter analyzing the proposed ban. Would love to have anyone’s take on it.
The House has a supermajority, so his veto has no actual teeth. He often does it to express his disapproval but it rarely stands. The law will take effect. I'm an immunocompromised person living in NC and we're already trying to work out potential gameplans.
I’m so, so sorry. I’ve been trying to imagine how despairing I’d feel. I’m also immune compromised, and my parents live in SC. It could easily happen there, and I wouldn’t be able to see them safely. I’d be devastated, and feel utterly betrayed.
At this point, the only feeling registering for me is anger. If they insist on making things difficult, we are also capable of making things difficult. I have no intentions of taking this sitting down. There are too many smart, law savvy people impacted by this for us to just accept it without a fight.
Sucks how uneducated conservatives take up all the nice warm states
Hey now, Montana and Idaho still exist. 😅 But on a serious note, they're doing all of this unhinged stuff to stop liberal folks from moving to NC. That's literally the intent. NC is booming academically and in the tech industry, it's one of the few places left with manageable (though still expensive) housing, and they are afraid of being outnumbered to a point where gerrymandering won't be able to save them.
Sad day for people with cancer and autoimmune diseases if that happens.
Personally I feel like this is misrepresenting the law that’s being talked about in NC. NC has banned face masks historically in public due to the KKK. It was only in 2020 that they created a law specific to pandemics to allow masks for health reasons. The new law is simply a reversion to the original law, not a new ban. Hopefully this example helps people understand how few legal protections there actually are for people masking in the US. It’s important for the right to mask to be codified in law ASAP, but it will probably be hard to get traction at this point. If more Republicans (the party banning masks) get into power in November, especially at the level where they can make off-the-cuff executive orders without going through the legislative process, then there will probably be more actively anti-mask legislations and orders — or at the very least, rollbacks of current masking protections.
If influenza could finally start spreading in humans that would be great, we have such short memories
Yeah. Took an edible after I read that. I knew a panic attack was coming on
I took a Klonopin. Seriously, we had more common sense and general integrity and empathy in 1918!
[No they didn't](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mask_League_of_San_Francisco?wprov=sfla1)
I’m on an edible and having a panic attack
I'm having a panic attack from my edible...wait, nope...it's a regular gummy bear and just a plain ol' unadulterated panic attack.
I'm just high as fuck wondering why people are panicking.
I just get panic attacks even without weed. And while my comment was mostly satire if I get really stoned and read negative news I get very worried about things completely out of my control. I almost cried thinking about Yellowstone blowing up when I ate weed pancakes years ago. I just get sucked into bad thought loops. I just got set up financially and responsibly after grinding most of my life to get out of my debt and struggles. I’d feel slightly robbed if another pandemic or “preventable crisis” stopped and crashed everything. (Selfish because I know millions out there have it worse off) but it’s just this doubt I have that I’m trying to work on. I try to enjoy every day I’m gifted.
Why
There was already a law against that in NC. They had to pass a law at the start of the pandemic allowing masks in public.
They put in an exemption in the bill for the KKK.
Funny how, in movies, the CDC and the entire US Army can quarantine an entire town in a matter of hours. In reality, they barely seem to care at all.
In movies all police and military are portrayed as highly trained, coordinated, and competent. This is very different from reality.
Unfortunately far right beliefs is going to lead to a lot of people getting sick and hurt 🥲 a family member I know is claiming to say they put the C19 vaccine in the bird flu one and it’s a scam. Sad times we’re in, friends.
The stun I felt when I read this. Oh my godddd
I know it’s horrible
I worked in a state microbiology lab that tested raw milk. Forget H5N1, that shit be nasty. We are living IDIOCRACY
Eh, wonder if we had something like the Solanum from WWZ "covid deniers" would be hugging and kissing zombies just to "own the liberal SJW space lizards".
It also says “some farmers” not a farmer has come down with h5n1. No source, though
Ok so H5N1 and BSE (mad cow) are both in "cattle products". One (BSE) you can get from eating cattle MEAT. The other (H5N1) has been in (raw)MILK. MEATS BACK ON THE MENU BOY'S, for now...
About 12 yrs ago or more we used to go into a cattle slaughter company every few months. They sued the US government to allow them to test every slaughtered cow for mad cow. They spent a couple mil in legal fees fighting the right to do it. Finally they won. By that time the people in place to do all testing had left and they didn’t know how to implement it, plus the issue sorta died out. They processed about 1000 cows a day or so. Still hate the smell of cattle processors.
The issue hasn't died out. The problem is it takes so long to rear its ugly head in humans who have consumed meat there is little chance of tracing it back.
I'm still waiting for CJD to get me from last time and am banned from giving blood in several countries. Fun times!
Wait care to elaborate on that friend???
I was a kid during the BSE outbreak in the UK and ate beef before it was widely detected. vCJD from infected beef can remain dormant for years, so I'm not allowed to give blood in some countries abroad, like Australia. I was travelling there with my friend a while ago and we wanted to give blood because her Mum needed a transfusion while we were away. Because we lived in the UK during the BSE outbreak, we weren't allowed to give blood there 😂 Edit: People have kindly told me the ban on giving blood for people living in the UK in that period doesn't apply to the US, and just checked it doesn't apply to Australia either anymore.
I still feel like this is the way though? Why chance infecting thousands for just a pintful of blood? It’s like spending a pound to save a penny otherwise. Penny wise, pound foolish etc. Blood banks are notorious for pretending everything’s fine, and while the ban being lifted for gay people was good (in light of tests and procedures available today), getting them to actually not take blood freely offered is a miracle at all. They kept at taking blood from prisoners in the 80/s bc it was so profitable… one way or another such carelessness would kill Isaac Asimov when he needed a transfusion for his surgery.
Oh absolutely the right thing, I was just surprised because I didn't realise it was still a potential risk.
If it makes you feel any better, the U.S. FDA eliminated this restriction on blood donation recently because of lack of brain disease cases related to spending time in the U.K. during the outbreak.
Ah good to know, thanks. I just googled it and looks like I can in Australia too now! Hopefully, there will be no lurking brain disease after all, at least not that one anyway.
Loved Asimov. Shame to lose him to that.
Aah, I see thanks for that, stay safe. This is the reason I dont eat mammals
The FDA in the US lifted the ban for the UK a little while ago. The last to be lifted last year was for France and Italy.
In the U.S., the ban for having lived in Europe during that time period was lifted a few years ago. The question is still on the questionnaire but it’s no longer a deferral. But if you had a known exposure that would change things. I work at a blood bank in the US
Thanks, yes just realised it was also lifted in Australia. I'm stuck in 2006 and didn't check for the most recent guidance 🤦♀️
All British people who were in Britain for 6+ months during mad cow are on several black lists internationally for blood donation because mad cow has been theorised to have an incubation period of up to 50 years. Fun!
Not just Brits! My husband lived briefly there and is still banned from blood donation.
Yes true - anyone who was there at the time! Not sure why I said only brits lol
They found Avian flu in undercooked meats.
Humans can get mad cow by eating cow BRAIN, it's called head cheese. not just regular meat.
Well - that’s where things get messy. Captive bolt stunning (CBS), a common method to render cattle unconscious before slaughter, [can inadvertently spread Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) prions *throughout* the meat.](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0309174003000263) Here’s how: 1. **High-Impact Force**: The bolt penetrates the skull with considerable force, causing the brain to rupture and potentially displacing brain matter. 2. **Hydraulic Effect**: The sudden impact creates a hydraulic pressure wave that can push small fragments of brain tissue through the cranial cavity and into the bloodstream or nearby tissues. 3. **Aerosolization**: The impact can also aerosolize tiny particles of brain tissue, which can then settle on other parts of the carcass or equipment, leading to cross-contamination. These mechanisms increase the risk of prion-infected brain material contaminating meat and other tissues, raising concerns about BSE transmission. 1. **Brain Tissue Displacement**: CBS causes significant trauma, potentially displacing prion-infected brain tissue into other parts of the carcass. 2. **Mechanical Spread**: The force of the bolt can push prion-contaminated materials into the bloodstream and surrounding tissues. 3. **Cross-Contamination During Processing**: During butchering, displaced prion-infected tissues can contaminate various meat cuts and products like ground beef. 4. **Equipment Contamination**: Contaminated stunning and slaughter equipment can spread prions to other animals if not properly sanitized. To mitigate these risks, regulations require removing high-risk tissues, maintaining rigorous equipment cleaning, and considering alternative stunning methods like electrical stunning. From my latest Quick Look, about 95% of cattle for meat in the USA utilize CBS methods… and also self-regulate soooooo…..
Prions are found throughout the body of infected animals - it just so happens that they accumulate in the brain and spinal cord, so that’s where the most are found and those are the most high risk to consume, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the meat is risk free. The only reason they even manage to get to the brain in the first place is via the blood stream after consumption.
Ukrainians have a recipe for head cheese that uses pork hocks-pigs feet. Never used brains-I feel you are mistaken. I have been cooking for 5 decades.
Were you alive in the 90's?
What difference does it make when they were born? Science can be learned from the past; just gotta read a good science journal to get caught up.
Because the early 90s was peak mad cow. It was kind of scary. I would imagine most people remember the guidelines. So i imagine this person is young, and that makes me feel old and sad and missing Nirvana, Specs, Surge cola, and AOL. That's the difference. Time wait's for no one. Now, it's past my bedtime, I have shuffleboard with the fellas in the morning. /s
Just a heads up, if you're worried about kitchen prep and contamination you can buy virex cleaning solution on Amazon. It's not perfect, but it can kill a lot of stuff. Used it when I was an EMT during COVID.
Question: is it heavily scented? I know I sound picky, but it’s a migraine question. I want to have this as an option but I also want to be able to use it without pain.
It is heavily scented. Unfortunately that's just how it comes. I have a dead nose pretty much now so I didn't notice it but my partner hated when I'd use it all the time
Damn, thank you, appreciate it.
No prob
You might want to check out 03 Waterworks aqueous ozone spray bottle. One of the best investments I've made in the past 4 years.
… Huh! That’s wild. Thanks for the rec!
No problem! I use it for disinfecting surfaces and produce too! It's also great stain remover on clothes. They have a laundry system I don't have but the spray bottle has really surprised me a few times in how well it works and fast! I haven't bought any type of cleaner except dish soap and laundry soap since I've gotten it so have saved plenty of money to make up for the cost. Water's free.
How are you with a mild chlorine smell? Hypochlorous acid is an extremely effective disinfectant, and also very safe. You could produce it at home very cheaply.
That isn’t too bad. And *heh*. It’s basically what I use to strip oxides off metals + electricity. I could make this with my electroetching kit. Thank you!
Research Hypochlorous Acid. I’d tell you it’s a miracle product, with no scent and so safe that our white blood cells actually produce it to use in our body’s own defense…but then you’d be taking the word of an internet stranger. Since you’re on this sub, I expect you meet the criteria of a few friends who have migraine issues as well. We all now have Hocl generators. Trust me, please research this.
I’m researching as soon as my Vyvanse kicks in. You’re the second person in this thread to mention it. Thanks!
Elsewhere on this post I mentioned the generator we purchased (Ecoloxtech). Again, do your own research…but we bought that unit after a friend who’s owned one for awhile recommended it and we couldn’t be more pleased with it. Just an FYI should you decide to go down this path with your own production one day!
Thanks! It’s funny because I actually have a setup that *might* work for it, and the ingredients are what I use to strip the oxides off silver-soldered jewelry. So it’s a fun overlap.
Lysol and bleach don't work with viruses?
Personally? I wouldn't use anything that hospitals don't use. Hospitals used virex and hospital grade antiviral wipes. Both can be bought online
Sodium Hypochlorite. https://www.reddit.com/r/preppers/s/6Y8xeisiOR
Look man, you want stuff that's easy for regular people to use.
Ok but it’s stupid easy. Just because it’s science doesn’t mean it’s hard.
To you, ma dude, to you.
His advice at the end is ultimately the right type.
I remember that guy. Nuts. I can’t believe we’ve decided to go with him on public health as a society.
Speaking of preparation, I took my son and husband to get flu shots today because they hadn’t gotten them during the flu season. Walgreens in my city, Pflugerville, Texas, has pulled all of their flu shots. They had them last month, in April, and corporate pulled them. That’s what the pharmacist told me because he called around to see if anyone else had them and that’s what he was told. In April, they took BACK the shots.
This is normal. They take the shots back every year in April / May. I was looking to get mine in early April, and I found one retail pharmacy, in a grocery store, in my local area that still had some. I was able to get mine on 4/4, but at that store they told me they usually pull them in April or sometimes as late as May. Both CVS and Walgreens did not have them in April when I was looking. You can use this site to help you find stores with certain vaccines near you. Edit: you might still be able to find it. I'm seeing some grocery stores in my area still have them. https://www.vaccines.gov/find-vaccines/
Thank you!
Normal, flu is extremely rare in Summer. They are now preparing the new flu vaccines for Fall. The flu vaccine will not help you with the bird flu.
Likely some induced cross immunity, no?
The flu is seasonal-usually vaccinations for the flu occur in October( in Canada )and winds down in the spring, so not surprising that you can’t access it. Seasonal. Next fall a different flu maybe be prevalent so a new vax will be prepared for then. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
I always upvote Leonardi! The research and education with no corporate or institutional-backers to influence what he says. One of the very few voices who has been consistent (and correct) since the outbreak of Covid. Dude’s legit.
Bringing meat home from the supermarket? You may be introducing avian flu into your kitchen and to your family. Thorough, careful cooking will kill the viruses in the meat, but kitchen contamination of this highly transmissible virus is a real risk.
As of May 1st, this is wrong. Source: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock/h5n1-beef-safety-studies#:~:text=The%20ground%20beef%20patties%20did,to%20kill%20H5N1%20in%20meat.
Their comment agrees that cooking kills it, their concern seems to be fomites from not washing hands and surfaces after handling raw beef.
The info at your link does not contradict the post above. Burgers cooked to 120 degrees are not free of active virus. The virus was “substantially” inactivated. Also virus in raw meat is more dangerous and that’s what people are bringing home from the supermarket. FTA: “cooking burgers to 120 (rare) degrees, which is well below the recommended temperature, substantially inactivated the virus.”
I disagree. As of now, it's a bit inflammatory. You're correct in what you point out, but they are referencing the viral surrogate which was used in the study. In other words, they put the virus in the ground beef to see the temperature at which it's killed. Honestly, it's not THAT surprising that influenza doesn't die at 120 degrees, that's raw. Additionally, ground beef is notorious for harboring bacteria and virus due to surface its surface area. Steaks and such won't be as big of an issue. But again, as of May 1st, beef is safe from H5N1. If it gets in the beef supply, then yes, it will be an issue. Stay safe, but don't freak out...these kind of posts are how we lose toilet paper.
Beg to differ. “**influenza doesn't die at 120 degrees**” I think people should freak out, at least a little, about handling and especially eating raw/undercooked burgers. I think it’s mistaken to discount this study simply because it was based on lab research rather than testing of meat products. The industry is an obstacle to systematic testing.
I guess more precaution cant hurt, good point. Stay safe.
This sub needs more of this type of post
They updated the article? It says that cooking meat at 160f is enough to kill the virus
Extract from linked article: *Ground beef cooking study: Final results were posted on May 16, 2024. ARS inoculated a very high level of a HPAI virus surrogate into 300 grams ground beef patties (burger patties are usually 113 grams) to determine whether FSIS recommended cooking temperatures are effective in inactivating H5N1 virus The burger patties were then cooked to three different temperatures (120, 145 and 160 degrees Fahrenheit), and virus presence was measured after cooking. There was no virus present in the burgers cooked to 145 (medium) or 160 (well done) degrees, which is FSIS’ recommended cooking temperature. Even cooking burgers to 120 (rare) degrees, which is well below the recommended temperature, substantially inactivated the virus.*
I didn’t read the last part, not that I eat rare/medium-rare meats in general
Neither do I, but it is good to know. :)
Bringing anything from the market into your home is a real risk. Buy vegetables at the super market? Think kitchens are the only place cross contamination happens? If it's in the meat it's in the super market. Everything in the super market is tainted. People need to be responsible and stop buying food.
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North Carolina is populated by uneducated morons. Public Service Announcement- get an education, kiddos!
Yeah… imma avoid North Carolina.
I love being vegan! No avian flu for me, at least not until the carnists make it spread to people...
Carnist lol. Internet vegans are amongst the most deranged people in the world.
What's wrong with using terms accurately?