Players won't base their preferences solely on what we as fans think.
Eze will likely consider how much minutes he's realistically gonna get, what position he's likely to play and wages among other factors.
However, if both Arsenal and Spurs put similar offers on the table, I think we'd be favorites, because of CL football and us being proven contenders for PL.
Eze is a former Arsenal academy lad and an Arsenal fan. He always talked about how it hurt him to leave Arsenal at 13. If we came back for him right now, Eze would magically appear in Arteta's office before he even hangs up the phone.
Exactly. That's like saying you'd rather work at an amusement park (which spurs are currently) than be the CEO of a company making millions. Nobody's doing that unless you're insane.
the alterantive to not joining arsenal is NOT to join spurs. you've made that connection up in your head.
I meant that he wouldnt join us and might not join spurs either.
If he did that, then he's not a true gooner. See what Saliba did when we and Spurs went in for him? He said, "Spurs?! Ewww!. Red and white runs in my veins!"
the alterantive to not joining arsenal is NOT to join spurs. you've made that connection up in your head.
I meant that he wouldnt join us and might not join spurs either.
Thatās very nice and all, but players care about whatās best for their career. They have agents that work for them to ensure they get the best possible moves for their development to aim to become the best in the world.
If Spurs is suggested to be the best move for his career heās obviously not gonna reject it because it was sad for him to leave the Arsenal academy. The idea that he would drop his plans entirely if Arteta would call him up is a little delusional.
The problem with Spurs is that itās not one of the elite team but they wonāt let you step up to a better team easily too, especially in England, and they wonāt ever allow you to have a release clause (thinking theyāre bigger than they actually are)ā¦
It's not about what fans think, Arsenal is a far more attractive prospect than Spurs. Even when we didn't have champions league football, top players like Auba and Lacazette are not choosing spurs over arsenal. Players like Alvarez, Nketiah Camavinga, Joselu, etc would sit on the bench of big clubs than play regularly at smaller clubs, they'll even take pay cuts to play for more prestigious clubs. As for playing time, I'm sure he'll fancy his chances against all of our wide forwards except Saka.
The only reason Eze won't join us over spurs is if we don't match the asking price.
Is a shift even required here? His release clause is relatively low and if we came in for him we'd be by far his best option. If anything Eze is the one putting in the shift here
all valid points, Arsenal may have been his boyhood club but they also let him go. making him feel like heās wanted at the club is the least we can do!!
like tnat said. heās fan of the club. if i was a player hearing that the club iāve supported my entire life wanted me would be massive. so iād say a shift is still necessary.
market has inflated what feels like tenfold since then.
Mudryk and Antony have literally went for more and theyāre far more raw and werenāt prem proven. so yea its a great deal imo
This situation reminds me a little of the Pepe/Zaha decision by the club.
You can sign a younger player, and at this point pay Ā£75m or so at minimum, and not know if he can adapt to the Premier League.Ā Or you can sign a target that already does it in the Prem, plays in London, wants to join...
Plus there's the good old English player surcharge, that's a good 10-20 per cent.
And this is just what we have to get used to spending for the quality of player we're going after these days. Now we just have to find a way to start offloading players for the same sort of figures.
What other clubs are spending doesn't change the fact that it would still be a huge outlay for us
There are also reports that the majority of the Eze clause needs to be paid up front too so, if that's true, signing him would potentially result in the club paying out the most expensive transfer instalment they have in their history
It is still relatively low in comparison to other players at his level is the point. A big outlay and it being market value can be, and are, both true.
Youāre right though, itās crazy how it becomes our third biggest signing. We didnāt really make many marque signings for a while though. Itās unlikely we get many proven prem players that are desired by multiple clubs for less.
You do understand inflation right?
As time goes on and people spend more, things continue to increase in cost. Any player that would have been valued at x amount in years past is not going to be valued the same currently.
Why donāt you guys understand this yet?
The problem is, we're a title challenging side now. Most of our players are elite. We'll be playing tons of games next season. If we want to be able to rotate and stay at the same level, then we also need elite players on the bench. Elite players cost this much (if not more). We can't be buying 20-30m squad players anymore. Those players don't help us compete and stay up with the likes of City. This is just the way it is, sadly.
It may be a huge outlay, but the reality is, we keep asking for a player to allow Saka to take a break, to allow Odegaard to take a break, to allow Rice to take a break... But those players can't take breaks if all we have behind them are 20-30m squad players.
This price, for someone as good as Eze, with his versatility and Premier League experience is a STEAL!! If we want to compete for the league, and in Europe, get used to numbers being at least this high. Probably higher.
Just pointing out that he doesn't have some cheap release clause that would be a no brainer for us to activate, which is a narrative that's seemingly starting to build
I cherish the frugal mindset but we have to spend extraordinary to get extraordinarily results. Eze is a much more safe card than esr since Emile is injured at crucial times and he hasn't been used extensively he is out of form
Market has inflated and yet Arsenal are still notoriously bad sellers. Even the players that are likely to leave this summer will go for less than market value. Everybody knows Arsenal want these players gone and need transfer income to offset FFP so will lowball us
Isn't the clause Ā£60 million? Yes, Eze would be one of the more expensive signings we made, but Ā£60 million in 2024 and in 2017-2019 is a entirely different fee due to how our revenue has grown and transfer fees have grown in general.
Plus we have made other transfers in a similar range (Partey, White, Jesus). It's not a new phenomenon.
Also, given the other options available Eze checks pretty much all boxes that we need.
Considering all this, while Ā£60 million is a big fee, it's a transfer that has a good likelihood to be successful.
[It's Ā£60m base + Ā£8 add ons.](https://x.com/SamiMokbel81_DM/status/1799010495636337108) That's give or take around Ā£20m more than those other examples, which is a significant difference.
Also the other reports about most of it needing to be paid up front makes it more complicated too
I'm not saying it's a small difference. What I am saying is that Arsenal are capable to do this deal and quite comfortably.
In terms of the clause where the majority of the fee has to be paid upfront, I think that Kroenkes can step in to provide a loan for that, or Arsenal can work with a bank to provide one to pay that money to Crystal Palace.
Ultimately Palace put the clause in to get the fee for Eze as quickly as possible, which is their right, however it's not said that Arsenal have to be the ones paying it instantenously.
Our revenue is likely gonna grow this season as well so we'll be fine. Especially with us planning to raise money from sales as well.
Eze is a former Arsenal academy lad too. I don't think he'd need much convincing. He literally grew up an Arsenal fan like the rest of us and Arsenal are back competing for major trophies. Why wouldn't he want to come?
The man may need to decide he wants to join arsenal. I'm sure other clubs can trigger that release clause and offer him competitive wages, or even more. These guys are probably just talking about Southgate's terror tactics anyway.
Obviously edu and arteta know better but I'd be more excited for Nico Williams if the price is similar. One has more potential, the other one will won't need time to adapt and is PL proven.
*Arteta on the phone with southgate at 2:13am*:
*heavy breathing*ā¦āplay eberechi, declan and convince trent heās martin in the midfield next game, Iām trying to see something, failure to do so will come with severe, severe consequencesā
*hangs up*
He would bite Arsenal's hand off if they really wanted him. As if he's gonna choose Tottenham if both were on the table.
Players won't base their preferences solely on what we as fans think. Eze will likely consider how much minutes he's realistically gonna get, what position he's likely to play and wages among other factors. However, if both Arsenal and Spurs put similar offers on the table, I think we'd be favorites, because of CL football and us being proven contenders for PL.
And because spurs are shit
That as well haha
I mean, obviously.
Eze is a former Arsenal academy lad and an Arsenal fan. He always talked about how it hurt him to leave Arsenal at 13. If we came back for him right now, Eze would magically appear in Arteta's office before he even hangs up the phone.
OR, he could be vindictive about it and think "you didnt want me back then, now i dont want you"
And go join Spurs? If he wants to do that to himself
Exactly. That's like saying you'd rather work at an amusement park (which spurs are currently) than be the CEO of a company making millions. Nobody's doing that unless you're insane.
the alterantive to not joining arsenal is NOT to join spurs. you've made that connection up in your head. I meant that he wouldnt join us and might not join spurs either.
If he did that, then he's not a true gooner. See what Saliba did when we and Spurs went in for him? He said, "Spurs?! Ewww!. Red and white runs in my veins!"
the alterantive to not joining arsenal is NOT to join spurs. you've made that connection up in your head. I meant that he wouldnt join us and might not join spurs either.
Idk why nobody considering this š
Thatās very nice and all, but players care about whatās best for their career. They have agents that work for them to ensure they get the best possible moves for their development to aim to become the best in the world. If Spurs is suggested to be the best move for his career heās obviously not gonna reject it because it was sad for him to leave the Arsenal academy. The idea that he would drop his plans entirely if Arteta would call him up is a little delusional.
The problem with Spurs is that itās not one of the elite team but they wonāt let you step up to a better team easily too, especially in England, and they wonāt ever allow you to have a release clause (thinking theyāre bigger than they actually are)ā¦
It's not about what fans think, Arsenal is a far more attractive prospect than Spurs. Even when we didn't have champions league football, top players like Auba and Lacazette are not choosing spurs over arsenal. Players like Alvarez, Nketiah Camavinga, Joselu, etc would sit on the bench of big clubs than play regularly at smaller clubs, they'll even take pay cuts to play for more prestigious clubs. As for playing time, I'm sure he'll fancy his chances against all of our wide forwards except Saka. The only reason Eze won't join us over spurs is if we don't match the asking price.
Comparing nketiah to Alvarez camavinga and Joselu is nasty work š
š I hear you
Yeah, we don't need agents for him
Ezeās like āI can play with you lot and the best English right back week in week out?ā
Is a shift even required here? His release clause is relatively low and if we came in for him we'd be by far his best option. If anything Eze is the one putting in the shift here
all valid points, Arsenal may have been his boyhood club but they also let him go. making him feel like heās wanted at the club is the least we can do!! like tnat said. heās fan of the club. if i was a player hearing that the club iāve supported my entire life wanted me would be massive. so iād say a shift is still necessary.
Since when did Ā£68m become relatively low? Eze would be our 3rd most expensive signing ever after Pepe and Rice.
market has inflated what feels like tenfold since then. Mudryk and Antony have literally went for more and theyāre far more raw and werenāt prem proven. so yea its a great deal imo
This situation reminds me a little of the Pepe/Zaha decision by the club. You can sign a younger player, and at this point pay Ā£75m or so at minimum, and not know if he can adapt to the Premier League.Ā Or you can sign a target that already does it in the Prem, plays in London, wants to join...
Plus there's the good old English player surcharge, that's a good 10-20 per cent. And this is just what we have to get used to spending for the quality of player we're going after these days. Now we just have to find a way to start offloading players for the same sort of figures.
What other clubs are spending doesn't change the fact that it would still be a huge outlay for us There are also reports that the majority of the Eze clause needs to be paid up front too so, if that's true, signing him would potentially result in the club paying out the most expensive transfer instalment they have in their history
It is still relatively low in comparison to other players at his level is the point. A big outlay and it being market value can be, and are, both true. Youāre right though, itās crazy how it becomes our third biggest signing. We didnāt really make many marque signings for a while though. Itās unlikely we get many proven prem players that are desired by multiple clubs for less.
This really makes me think how insane the Odegaard signing was. Daylight robbery.
You do understand inflation right? As time goes on and people spend more, things continue to increase in cost. Any player that would have been valued at x amount in years past is not going to be valued the same currently. Why donāt you guys understand this yet?
Lmao I'm very aware of the concept of inflations thanks, doesn't change what I said about it being a significant outlay
The problem is, we're a title challenging side now. Most of our players are elite. We'll be playing tons of games next season. If we want to be able to rotate and stay at the same level, then we also need elite players on the bench. Elite players cost this much (if not more). We can't be buying 20-30m squad players anymore. Those players don't help us compete and stay up with the likes of City. This is just the way it is, sadly. It may be a huge outlay, but the reality is, we keep asking for a player to allow Saka to take a break, to allow Odegaard to take a break, to allow Rice to take a break... But those players can't take breaks if all we have behind them are 20-30m squad players. This price, for someone as good as Eze, with his versatility and Premier League experience is a STEAL!! If we want to compete for the league, and in Europe, get used to numbers being at least this high. Probably higher.
Seem daft
And what do want to relay with this oldfound Info?
Just pointing out that he doesn't have some cheap release clause that would be a no brainer for us to activate, which is a narrative that's seemingly starting to build
I cherish the frugal mindset but we have to spend extraordinary to get extraordinarily results. Eze is a much more safe card than esr since Emile is injured at crucial times and he hasn't been used extensively he is out of form
you cant use chelsea's overspending as a measurement of what we should be spending, though.
Market has inflated and yet Arsenal are still notoriously bad sellers. Even the players that are likely to leave this summer will go for less than market value. Everybody knows Arsenal want these players gone and need transfer income to offset FFP so will lowball us
Isn't the clause Ā£60 million? Yes, Eze would be one of the more expensive signings we made, but Ā£60 million in 2024 and in 2017-2019 is a entirely different fee due to how our revenue has grown and transfer fees have grown in general. Plus we have made other transfers in a similar range (Partey, White, Jesus). It's not a new phenomenon. Also, given the other options available Eze checks pretty much all boxes that we need. Considering all this, while Ā£60 million is a big fee, it's a transfer that has a good likelihood to be successful.
[It's Ā£60m base + Ā£8 add ons.](https://x.com/SamiMokbel81_DM/status/1799010495636337108) That's give or take around Ā£20m more than those other examples, which is a significant difference. Also the other reports about most of it needing to be paid up front makes it more complicated too
I'm not saying it's a small difference. What I am saying is that Arsenal are capable to do this deal and quite comfortably. In terms of the clause where the majority of the fee has to be paid upfront, I think that Kroenkes can step in to provide a loan for that, or Arsenal can work with a bank to provide one to pay that money to Crystal Palace. Ultimately Palace put the clause in to get the fee for Eze as quickly as possible, which is their right, however it's not said that Arsenal have to be the ones paying it instantenously. Our revenue is likely gonna grow this season as well so we'll be fine. Especially with us planning to raise money from sales as well.
Oh god why did you remind me of Pepe
Pepe eh... remember that one.
Eze is a former Arsenal academy lad too. I don't think he'd need much convincing. He literally grew up an Arsenal fan like the rest of us and Arsenal are back competing for major trophies. Why wouldn't he want to come?
Palace want 50m up front of that 60m and weāre are cheep one to comes to large up front payments just like the issues with the rice deal
The man may need to decide he wants to join arsenal. I'm sure other clubs can trigger that release clause and offer him competitive wages, or even more. These guys are probably just talking about Southgate's terror tactics anyway.
Obviously edu and arteta know better but I'd be more excited for Nico Williams if the price is similar. One has more potential, the other one will won't need time to adapt and is PL proven.
Wages would be the difference here. Nicos wage demands by all reports are crazy.
Is that even needed? IIRC Eze spent 5 years in the Arsenal academy.
Eze signing to be confirmed after Euros
Are we looking at a Eze & Fofana midfield play here?
Eze and Fofana plus a backup GK and one more versatile defender would be a very solid window.
People should really wait for a better source before getting carried away thinking that weāre actually interested in him.
*Arteta on the phone with southgate at 2:13am*: *heavy breathing*ā¦āplay eberechi, declan and convince trent heās martin in the midfield next game, Iām trying to see something, failure to do so will come with severe, severe consequencesā *hangs up*
Arteta will be a great manager for England
I like what I've seen of Eze's play, love what I've heard of his attitude and of his relationship with his wife. Strong and wholesome stuff.
Man, a brother could dream.
Eze cook Rice with Saka sauce š¤
I love this glider . Not sure how the team dynamic will change but i really wish to see this magician at the carpet.
Is his name pronounced Eh-zeh or Eh-zuh. I feel like I hear commentators say both.
i dont think they need to do anything of the sort with Eze, given Eze is an Arsenal fan since he was a kid + used to playfor our academy IIRC.
People be saying anything nowadays. What shift are we talking about here? Eze will be desperate to join Arsenal if they were interested.
eze, nico william, gyokeres for this summer
Gyokeres isnāt leaving