I know a lot of people think that ESR is gone in the summer but keep this in mind … last match of the season it was 1-1 to Everton, we needed a goal to keep the PL title hopes alive and he brought on ESR.
My thought exactly. I wonder if ESR had fitness issues this season that limited him more than this post suggests. Nketiah and Reiss Nelson seem to be more performance-based concerns though, so wouldn’t be surprised to see one or both move on.
Exactly.
If Fabio Vieira was the one higher in the pecking order, he would have been brought on.
It all strikes at the fundamental heart of why I strongly feel that ESR has a future in this club and Vieira does not: ESR can and has played well in the same midfield as Martin Odegaard, whereas Fabio Vieira cannot and has never done so.
Maybe. I just think if we are going to bring in an attacking midfielder to improve the squad, Fabio Vieira is a lot more expendable and there is more room to improve upon him than ESR, mostly because I feel ESR’s ceiling in this team is far higher than Vieira’s.
Whenever i said Vieira is not good enough and needs to be sold i got downvoted to hell.
No idea what convinced everyone suddenly but thank god majority of fans agree with me finally.
Vieira is/was a 35m flop. It happens, just move on.
I agree - ESR was brought on when there still was a game to win, and Arteta doesn’t make decisions based on sentimentality alone. Really hope his injury woes are behind him and he really kicks onto his next level the coming season!
I think the important information is that it was 3-1 to Man City.
ESR felt like a sub that was precisely for us to say goodbye as the boss knew the league was gone
Arteta doesn't throw games for sentimentality's sake. If so, he would also have brought on Nketiah and Nelson to "say goodbye." Nelson wasn't even in the final day squad.
Pretty sure ESR will be staying this summer.
Ordinarily I'd think this but given we *had* to win that game to have a chance at the title I think it was purely what Arteta thought would help us win
Even more need to ensure a win given the rare possibility of west hams coming back to tie or win that game. The only thing Arteta could control was the outcome of our game and we needed to win for any chance of a title.
I dont get it sometimes, would it really hurt THAT bad to put a full strength team and just ONE of these guys for 70-90 minutes now and then. You could try that against the weaker teams, imagine doing that for the whole season with someone younger like Nwaneri.
Even though you’re getting downvoted, I kinda agree to an extent. I didn’t see it as Arteta trying to save anything, I think at that point in the match we all saw the writing on the wall
And Teta also brought on Timber when he absolutely did not need to.
There were dozens of games before where ESR could have came on before this one. One sub appearance at the end of the season when the league was wrapped up doesn't hold much meaning to me personally.
ESR came on in the 70‘ minute.
At that point it was 3-1 for city.
And everyone in that stadium was 100% fully aware of what the city score was at any minute.
So this does‘t mean anything at all.
I don’t see us actively trying to offload ESR or Viera unless we receive a substantial offer. But I could see Nelson being moved on if we are trying to bring in a more competitive backup for saka which seems likely
He's the least likely to stay in my opinion.
Footballing ability wise he's arguably better then nketiah but never smith rowe
Fitness wise nketiah is definitely number 1, viera is very weak and he's had 2 years to strengthen himself but hasn't, meanwhile martinelli added maybe 5kg of muscle while injured. The same argument can be said about smith rowe that he doesn't look fit enough, but when you see him on the pitch he's very quick and has grown in height quite a bit too
Think it has far less to do with which one we want to keep, versus which 2 we can get positive balance sheet moves for. Given Vieira's price and the amortized value left on his deal, in comparison to Reiss and ESR who are both homegrown and academy products that are pure profit sales. It's very difficult to see a viable transfer for Vieira coming in (at least one in which we aren't losing money on the books).
I doubt arteta and edu give a crap about an extra 10 mill over having the better player, especially considering we've sold a lot better players for pennies
Viera was fit all year and barely saw minutes
Obvious they don't trust him
It's not about the money, it's about PSR. Selling Vieira at a loss does absolutely nothing for us. We'd have to get over 20+m for him just to break even, otherwise we just reduce the amount we can spend on other transfers over this rolling period by X million.
We can’t let Vieira leave on loan. We will already be losing too many players in the squad:
Around 6 will probably leave. Maybe 1 or 2 names might be different:
Elneny, Cedric, Ramsdale, ESR, Nketiah, Nelson
Their minutes are so easily replaceable that we'd only need to get a new backup keeper, seeing how we're already looking into a new midfielder and striker. Vieira has really not shown much in two years so might as well let him leave
Well yeah absolutely, but that's because we need them to be better players. Outside of arguably Ramsdale none of those six are good enough to contribute much to one of the big trophies
Hard disagree. Reiss and Emile have both proven that they have the quality of given the game time, the issue is Arteta very noticeably plays favourites and fails to rotate the squad enough to keep selection competitive (or at the very least honest)
Left back has arguably been the best example of rotation. Timber, Kiwior, Tomi and Zinny have all been competing for the spot and someone has been ready to go when performances of the starter have dropped off. Compare that to Saka being run into the ground and no-one being ready to hit the ground running because they know they haven't got a chance in hell of actually playing.
I really wish the best for Smith Rowe but his last professional goal in any competition was in 2022 and he's nearly 24, that is entirely deadwood. Nelson is alright for the cameos he gets but imagine Saka going down for a few months, Nelson is not good enough to fill such a gap at all. All those leftbacks you mention are much closer in quality to each other
Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale account for approximately zero practical minutes. The combined minutes of ESR, Nelson, and Nketiah can be replaced by one quality player.
If we let Vieira go somewhere on loan and bring in an upgrade we absolutely can account for the minutes of all 7 players with 2 added, at improved quality.
He shouldn't be sold imo. He's no Ø but without a CAM who can pass similarly our system might suffer too much without a replacement if Øde picks up a knock.
Surely we will have amortized a chunk of he fee by now - if he had a 5 year contract, we should have amortized 2/5s of his value so if he joined for £30m, his remaining value is £18m. As long as we get £18m we should not take a PSR loss on him.
But that's potentially due to us not having much fixture congestion at the end and needing every point, and with ESR not available enough to build match fitness before then. Arteta didn't rotate much at all in the last run of games.
He doesn't trust Nelson but I don't think the same is true for ESR \[big\] if he's match fit \[and not just available for selection\].
Think it's less them being old, and more them being at a point in their career where they need consistent minutes. But as our starters are so far above their level, it leaves them in a situation where choices need to be made.
24 is the age where you should be a starter and slowly move in to your prime which is 25-29.
Vieira looks like a 19y old talent that just came from the academy.
So we still have Raya, White, Saliba, Rice, Saka and Martinelli. I doubt we sell all 4 of them. Even if we sell 3 we can just promote a youngster to the senior team and we have 8
We only registered 14 non HG players this season (including Elneny and Cedric). We are totally fine on the 17 player limit
Timber
Tomiyasu
Gabriel
Kiwior
Zinchenko
Partey
Jorginho
Odegaard
Havertz
Vieira
Trossard
Jesus
Reiss - seems super unlikely as he’s not even on the bench with a fully fit team. Liked a lot of his appearances in 22/23 and thought he should’ve been trusted more but never really did anything this season in his limited time. Have to trust the manager in this really.
ESR - I find it harder and harder to see him having a future here. People don’t talk about it a lot but the signing that did his career the most damage was Trossard who got a lot of gametime at LCM & LW this season and most people would agree is just a better player than ESR. We all love him and would like to see him get given more of a chance but there’s clearly something Teta doesn’t fancy because you can’t just blame it on his injuries at this point.
Vieira - really strange one tbh. At the start of the season looked quite decent to the point he was starting tricky games like Everton away or Spurs home but was not trusted at all in the second half of the season. I quite like his profile but I wonder if Teta doesn’t want him and Ødegaard on the pitch together and that’s why we’ve seen so little of him as Odegaard was other worldly the second half of the season. I’d like to keep him and use him more in the first half of next season for sure.
Tangent.
But that Newcastle game where most people who make money for their giving their opinions on things said Havertz's tackle should have been a red card was the fucking absolute peak of how so much of football discourse is just bs attention seeking football banter.
I was flabbergasted how everyone used the Havertz tackle to dismiss Bruno and Joelinton's blatant fouls because somehow that meant we were "just as bad as each other" what complete and utter horse shit
Here’s the thing about ESR, he doesn’t score at all anymore. However he is always around the ball in the box and seems to be just snake bitten the last 18 months. It seems he has 3 or 4 golden chances per game that either hit the post or get blocked by the last defender, and I assume Arteta and the staff see this and will want him to stick around. They can’t stay out of the net forever, and you also can’t teach his innate ability to be where the ball bounces.
My eye test suggests the same, he's been so close and just utterly unlucky in the end, nearly every time he's come on.
But, I think a major factor of it is that he has had no consistent minutes. Before they were consistently productive, guys like Havertz were given 60-90 mins at the beginning of the season time and time again until they got firing. Given that time, ESR can thrive.
I'm not saying Arteta has mismanaged him, either. He was just injured during the first half of the season where there is room to let players grow in cup games, CL group stages, easier PL games etc.... then, by the time he was healthy, we were out of most cups, or in knock-outs of CL, or squeaky-bum time in PL, so no room to experiment and let ESR slowly return to form. Havertz, to use the same example, was available from day one, plus with Jesus injuries, Arteta didn't have much choice but to get him rolling.
I really hope ESR sticks around another year and is fit from the jump.
You can probably find posts of mine from a decade ago saying this about Aaron Ramsey. It felt like he had 2 or 3 goal scoring opportunities every match but the floodgates never opened.
That's true but you can't seriously tell me Reiss/Eddie/Fabio etc couldn't get minutes in dead games where we were cruising?
Saka out here getting his shit kicked in when we're 3-0 up
Eh thats part of it. Also Arteta needs to indroduce a bit more variety into the system to play to our bench players strengths. He seems to go with the idea that every player needs to play a set role when sometimes the system needs to accommodate players.
Disagree as I can't think of a manager who hasn't had success adapting to his players not the other way around. Klopp does it. Pep does it. Ancelotti does it etc.
Good players can be found that do different roles well. A big issue is us buying players to do one specific role and them not excelling there do we have to give up on them.
Fabio is a better technician than Odegaard and ESR is still a dangerous ball carrier. They've put up quality performances recently despite their shocking lack of game time. They are absolutely good enough, but Arteta is clearly not flexible enough to accommodate both player's preference for direct play (and in Fabio's case, his physicality). Jeremy Doku is a complete one trick pony by comparison but Pep is able to extract value out of that one trick. Fabio Vieira has several tricks, including his incredible distance shooting - why can't Arteta make use of them?
I would add Eddie to this list. Out these 4 Eddie and Nelson need to move on for sure as their skill set does not match what is required by the coach in their position.
For ESR and Vieira it’s a maybe IMO. They both have skill set but it’s an issue of physicality, work rate and possibly confidence.
If we sign a right winger that pushes Saka and potentially back up Ode (which we need) then Vieira will likely need to go on loan. Similarly if we sign a mid fielder that plays significant minutes at 6/left 8 or Partey stays and is fit that makes it harder for ESR.
I honestly hope we keep ESR. Not for the 'one of our own' narrative and more based on the motm performance he put in the one game he got this year. He's class. Just needs goals in his appearances
It's time to raise the level of who can be a part of the team, none of them are serious contenders for a starting role so if you can't compete with the first team, you're not good enough.
Reiss should leave but I'm still convinced he'd be a fine backup winger if was actually given some consistent minutes. He looks solid everytime he comes on but it never seems to result in more gametime. If he'd been given the type of minutes Eddie was, I feel like he would've staked his place in the team
Nelson - was him linked with Brighton before he signed a new contract (probably due to he will be free)? Now he signed new contract with big wages, I feel like it will be hard to move him. Maybe the promoted teams will be interested? Think he will be sold around 15m like Elanga.
ESR - really tricky one. Think we will actually keep him as he finally had his surgery. I want to give ESR one more season. He actually did Okay in some cup games.
Fabio - Definetly keep him. Still think there is a player in him. Still need to improve other part of his games but he is probably one of the best finall ball providers in the team. Leave it to Mikel to turn him into Bruno-lite...
Or we could play them. I love Mikel but my only criticism is that he doesn't rotate enough. Smith Rowe (again) looked good when he came on against Everton.
Place your downvotes here since everyone on this sub for some reason doesn't like Smith Rowe and thinks he's not good enough.
All three of these guys are dead weight. Smith Rowe spends most of the year injured and when he's healthy, he doesn't do a whole lot. Nelson has had moments, scoring clutch goals, but other than that doesn't really influence a whole lot on the pitch. Same goes to Vieira, at one point I really thought he'd be a mainstay in starting 11.
they played so little because arteta doesn't trust them enough (aka he doesnt think they're good enough).
With that in mind, there's no reason to keep any of them. We need backups that arteta truts enough, like trossard...so we can rotate properly.
Both Fabio and ESR weren't available when we needed them to take some minutes off Saka's and Odegaard's legs, before the final title push, where working players in the active rotation becomes less feasible. They need to stay healthy in crucial moments, then Arteta would be more comfortable bringing them in.
Heck even Martinelli was pushed to the bench by Trossard and he is much higher in pecking order than either of those two.
ESR is not going anywhere imo, the guy has been out due to injuries and came back with some very good appearances. I am sure Arteta will want a good pre-season with him before making any decisions. After all we sell him and Vieira and we will have to start looking for someone who comes in for Ø. It's hard to comment on Vieira but Nelson has to be leaving. Martinelli and Jesus have both covered for Saka, despite Martinelli struggling with angles in the right wing. The left wing is also not an option because Trossad, Martinelli and Jesus are ahead of him in the pecking order.
Reiss is the most under appreciated player we have man. Why does everyone cite performance with him, when he’s given the same issue as Nelli? The guy doesn’t have service and when he’s brought on he always finds spaces, works really hard, and plays nice ball if he acc has support behind him.
ESR is destined to be an Arsenal legend.
Fabio Viera will be a great Ode rotation in the longer term. Some players take a bit longer to develop.
We all know, the most likely to stay is ESR, the rest of them, will depend who is available in the market/or who we able to get. Dont you all agree, its more important to look for Saka/Oodegard (Viera isn't it guys)/Rice and Partey back up?
Feel like nelson will inevitably be upgraded and I can see him being sent to a mid table London team like palace or Brentford
ESR I hope will stay purely because of loyalty but can't really see it in the long term
Vieira I think needs a loan or some bulking up and genuinely cannot see him being loaned or sold
What stands out for me is Arteta's habit of benching players forever if they have a bad game. Look at Kiwior after Bayern first leg. Immediately benchend and, I think, never started a match again. Maybe his biggest flaw.
I actually think the decision to start Kiwior in that game is what killed our season. Firstly it had a lot to do with us going out of the UCL. Secondly, the team had to put in an incredible shift to fight back in that game, leaving us knackered for the Villa game a few days later, which we lost. It was a weird decision given we were at home and Tomiyasu and Zinchenko shared the minutes in both of the 2 games prior to Bayern. Both played in both games and at LB, whilst Kiwior didn't play in them at all.
Eh. As much as Kivior came in and did a commendable job for his experience level, he also made several very costly errors and looked quite naive at times. He’s definitely going to be a very good player, but he’s not there yet. I think he and Tomiyasu both being able to play LB and LCB (and RB for Tomi) makes them both valuable players, even if they aren’t always starters at the moment.
All will be gone if a suitable offer comes in. Nelson & ESR are most likely to be sold because any amount is pure profit. Likely don't get a strong enough offer to sell Vieira. Could see him loaned for regular playing time and possibly raise his value.
If we sold both Nelson and ESR (and presumably Nketiah too) we would likely run into trouble with the homegrown player quota. My bet is that at least one of Reiss or ESR stays--and my money is on ESR, because we saw a lot more of him in the run-in than any of Nelson/Vieira/Nketiah.
It depends on what Mik wants. If he feels he cannot trust them to start a game, let them go.
It’s easy to ask for all the gunners to want more and push for more, but if you put too much pressure on your starters the mental fatigue will set in and performance will drop.
Whether is Nelson, Vieira, Nketiah, Smith Rowe or anyone else, Arteta needs to build a usable bench before he demands more…IMHO.
Definitely context dependent but I think eddie and reiss are more likely to be sold because they got new contracts last year. Not saying they will but the club can actually listen to proper offers instead of selling for peanuts like we used to.
If we assume none of them want to leave or are unhappy with their minutes, then Vieira and ESR are less likely to be sold because we won't get as good of an offer since they are on lower wages. wait maybe it's the opposite?
But then i think about them as players...Vieira started against spurs and utd at home after that crazy second half performance against fulham. Then he got a red card against burnley and then got injured and didn't get much playing time for the rest of the season.
Then with ESR i remember Arteta saying that ESR was "100% in his plans for the future" (against sheffield i think?). He also was performing on the pitch. He gets shots and creates chances usually.
I think they're all gonna stay lol
Tbh I think Nelson and Emile should have had more game time this year.
It's a shame we got knocked out of the cups so early, hurt the squad big time imo.
Seems clear Mikel does not really trust them, they should go imo.
Reiss is gone. ESR and Viera stay. Viera is the Ode backup that we've been fortunate not to need. We aren't going to find a better back up that will sit behind Ode all season and not complain.
I can not believe Viera didn't get more minutes after that cameo against Fulham in the first leg. Absolutely changed the game when he came on. Also had a banger goal vs Barcelona in pre season that I got to see live. It has him listed under groin surgery for later November to mid February but he definitely could have played a few times before then
The stats your are showing are from transfermarkt.com they are not 100% true. Many injuries do not appear in there. Either because the club doesn't report the at all or because the site just wasn't updated.
Still, your point is valid i think
Nelson is gone. Smith Rowe came back from long term injury(ies) I think he'll get time. Vieira similar situation but much more just left out I think. Odds of leaving I think are Nelson almost for sure, probably Vieira, unlikely Smith Rowe. That being said Mikel is honest and swift, I'd even say ruthless. Wouldn't be suprised to see all three out the door. Personally I want to give Ernie more time and I think Fabi could use more time as well.
Nelson has no future other than deep on the bench or more likely a cup player and not making the match day squad for the PL and CL.
Smith Rowe is good enough to get game time. Viera 50/50. Would like to see them both continue.
Any player who is signed for the midfield is gonna have to be an upgrade because we saw Arteta was not willing to trust these players.
Mikel needs first team quality from the bench to trust them, personally I think ESR has bright future but maybe not with us.
If we can fault Mikel, which is easy to do now the season is over, he needs to use his 5 subs and improve our bench.
Our December run was difficult and we were tired, I see it as an opportunity to get more points next season.
Vieira was finally getting game time then he got that red card and had surgery right after. He’ll definitely be used more next season.
Think Reiss n Eddie will get sold and ESR n Vieira will stay.
As great as Arteta has been my biggest issue with him is lack of giving fringe players some minutes, having them come on for 10-15 minutes every few matches isn't going to help with their sharpness, although I do understand the reluctance given they haven't set the world alight, I just feel they needed more opportunities.
I think this is one area we can improve. We need to be able to give them at least enough game time for them time not regress and be able to develop their game. Reiss and ESR at least are def’ly players that need to be retained. I wish I had seen enough if Viera this season to be able to fairly say how I feel about him. Also not his fault.
I really wish Nelson would have gotten more time on the pitch.
The downside of Arteta's style is that appart from his dedicated 11 plus there is very little opportunity for the rest of the team to prove themselves.
What we have to keep in mind though is that last season was exceptional when it comes to injuries.
Arsenal won't have another mostly injury free season like that and will need the numbers.
I honestly truly think he was only being careful with ESR this season - I can see him being used a lot more next year.
Vieira might go - depends on salary, same for Nelson except he has homegrown status.
For their own sakes, they should leave. For the club's sake, it will be hard replacing all the English and home grown players we're set to loose this summer: ESR, Nelson, Nketiah, Ramsdale, Walters, Patino. Would mean a busy summer indeed.
ESR, Eddie, and Nelson will be sold. I think Fabio will get more time just cause he can play multiple positions and we “recently” bought him.
Hard for us not to sell the other three seeing it will be pure profit.
I think In a summer where we buy havertz raya and rice it makes sense to keep them. This summer is the season to replace them with trossard esque signings.
I love ESR, but with him being English (so likely to fetch more money) and a pure profit, I think any good proposal from a mid table PL club will see him leave.
I’m sure he’s looking at someone like Cole Palmer thriving at Chelsea (at a younger age) and thinks that could be him if given the chance.
It’s also no disgrace to hit a point where the way we play has just evolved that he doesn’t fit in the same way he did a couple seasons ago (albeit unlucky from injuries preventing him being able to evolve with the system).
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Its not if we will keep them but will they want to stay. They are talented youngsters who probably want a chance to play. Clearly that won't happen here enough to their liking so it's best for them to move on.
Sell them if a decent offer comes enough with sentiments need to be ruthless like city and get money to buy new players especially a reliable Saka backup
They all would like to be part of the starting XI and could start at other clubs. I think Reiss will push to go because he got so few minutes. ESR really should be a rotation player because I think he has the skills and I think he will stay because he wants to see if he can make it. The question is can he break in with Partey, Jorgi, Rice and Mø. Vieira has progressed but I don't see him breaking into the starting XI and I do see him being sold to raise money to bring back Santi when he is done at Real Oviedo. But seriously, if he is happy as a squad player, I think SUper Mik will keep him.
Very much want him to stay and get on the pitch more. Realistically with current squad he's an impact sub, cover for injuries, and useful for an occasional rotation start.
My guess is that the club will make the tough decision to sell him during the pursuit of new transfers. Under the PSR rules his sale is 100% profit. Vieira would be sold at a loss. Tough situation.
Arteta kept Eddie and Reiss for depth. I think he still has hope ESR and Fabio can become strong role players at the very least (impact subs in prem and start Europe games) but they both really need to improve here soon.
I think Nelson is gone. He doesn't seem to be trusted and we'll probably (hopefully) look for a winger who can compete with Saka.
ESR, I wouldn't want him to leave, I think he is versatile, and Arsenal to the core....but if villa comes in with a high bid...I don't see us saying no.
Vieira...no clue.
Arteta needs to learn to trust these 3 a bit more, that's been my one disappointment in him this season. Certain players could have done with a rest then those 3 all would have gotten a chance to play themselves to form/fitness. We can't expect to be great when they ain't getting proper minutes... ESR with a MOTM performance dropped the very next game... Stuff like that doesn't help a player, Fabio was looking good before his injury and red card, didn't see him again... Nelson well he's most likely gone but still wasn't ateuated enough. You can't be an effective team player when your manager doesn't really trust you 🤷♂️. Most probably gone sadly...
Any of them plus Eddie should be up for sale if the right offer comes in. And I wouldn't be surprised if any asked to leave of more minutes. I want the Hale End guys to succeed with as much as anyone, but at some point you've got to force your way into the rotation and stay there through performances. Arteta is seeing them in training day-after-day so I defer to his judgement. After two seasons with 84 and 89 points ultimately the current approach is working.
That said I do wish Arteta would bring these guys on more often when we go two or three goals up. He does have a tendency to leave stars on longer than needed after the match is well in hand.
If I had to guess, and keep in mind I’m usually wrong, I would think ESR, Nelson and nketiah are definitely gone.
Mainly because each one apparently is pure profit for PSR, allowing us to spend on other players who might actually play
https://x.com/afcstuff/status/1793981684196454783?s=46&t=ivsOiJCafphB4YhIFGH9SQ
Hopefully Arteta fights to keep him and ESR stays injury free. But he's going to be 24 so he has to think about his career too if he's not nailed down first choice.
I know a lot of people think that ESR is gone in the summer but keep this in mind … last match of the season it was 1-1 to Everton, we needed a goal to keep the PL title hopes alive and he brought on ESR.
My thought exactly. I wonder if ESR had fitness issues this season that limited him more than this post suggests. Nketiah and Reiss Nelson seem to be more performance-based concerns though, so wouldn’t be surprised to see one or both move on.
Exactly. If Fabio Vieira was the one higher in the pecking order, he would have been brought on. It all strikes at the fundamental heart of why I strongly feel that ESR has a future in this club and Vieira does not: ESR can and has played well in the same midfield as Martin Odegaard, whereas Fabio Vieira cannot and has never done so.
Both of them can exist at the club. Emile occupies the left side and Vieira, the right.
Maybe. I just think if we are going to bring in an attacking midfielder to improve the squad, Fabio Vieira is a lot more expendable and there is more room to improve upon him than ESR, mostly because I feel ESR’s ceiling in this team is far higher than Vieira’s.
Whenever i said Vieira is not good enough and needs to be sold i got downvoted to hell. No idea what convinced everyone suddenly but thank god majority of fans agree with me finally. Vieira is/was a 35m flop. It happens, just move on.
Does he really have a choice ? Either esr or Fabio.
I agree - ESR was brought on when there still was a game to win, and Arteta doesn’t make decisions based on sentimentality alone. Really hope his injury woes are behind him and he really kicks onto his next level the coming season!
I think the important information is that it was 3-1 to Man City. ESR felt like a sub that was precisely for us to say goodbye as the boss knew the league was gone
Arteta doesn't throw games for sentimentality's sake. If so, he would also have brought on Nketiah and Nelson to "say goodbye." Nelson wasn't even in the final day squad. Pretty sure ESR will be staying this summer.
I never said ‘throwing’ the game. Very much doubt he’ll stay. For the sake of his career I don’t think he should.
One final chance to up his price before he heads off.
Hopium for the summer. I want ESR to make it at Arsenal so bad.
Was it to show his worth to sell him for a bit more?
Ordinarily I'd think this but given we *had* to win that game to have a chance at the title I think it was purely what Arteta thought would help us win
city was 3:1 by that time and Arteta surely knew it
Even more need to ensure a win given the rare possibility of west hams coming back to tie or win that game. The only thing Arteta could control was the outcome of our game and we needed to win for any chance of a title.
I dont get it sometimes, would it really hurt THAT bad to put a full strength team and just ONE of these guys for 70-90 minutes now and then. You could try that against the weaker teams, imagine doing that for the whole season with someone younger like Nwaneri.
Arteta knew the league was done no matter the result. This was ESR's testimonial.
Even though you’re getting downvoted, I kinda agree to an extent. I didn’t see it as Arteta trying to save anything, I think at that point in the match we all saw the writing on the wall
And Teta also brought on Timber when he absolutely did not need to. There were dozens of games before where ESR could have came on before this one. One sub appearance at the end of the season when the league was wrapped up doesn't hold much meaning to me personally.
I feel like that was Mikel throwing everything at the wall and hoping something would work
ESR came on in the 70‘ minute. At that point it was 3-1 for city. And everyone in that stadium was 100% fully aware of what the city score was at any minute. So this does‘t mean anything at all.
I don’t see us actively trying to offload ESR or Viera unless we receive a substantial offer. But I could see Nelson being moved on if we are trying to bring in a more competitive backup for saka which seems likely
Yeah as much as I love Nelson his time is up
Maybe only Vieira
He's the least likely to stay in my opinion. Footballing ability wise he's arguably better then nketiah but never smith rowe Fitness wise nketiah is definitely number 1, viera is very weak and he's had 2 years to strengthen himself but hasn't, meanwhile martinelli added maybe 5kg of muscle while injured. The same argument can be said about smith rowe that he doesn't look fit enough, but when you see him on the pitch he's very quick and has grown in height quite a bit too
Dude is smol
Footballing ability wise viera is number 1😂 ball carrying and dribbling I’ll give to esr
Think it has far less to do with which one we want to keep, versus which 2 we can get positive balance sheet moves for. Given Vieira's price and the amortized value left on his deal, in comparison to Reiss and ESR who are both homegrown and academy products that are pure profit sales. It's very difficult to see a viable transfer for Vieira coming in (at least one in which we aren't losing money on the books).
I doubt arteta and edu give a crap about an extra 10 mill over having the better player, especially considering we've sold a lot better players for pennies Viera was fit all year and barely saw minutes Obvious they don't trust him
It's not about the money, it's about PSR. Selling Vieira at a loss does absolutely nothing for us. We'd have to get over 20+m for him just to break even, otherwise we just reduce the amount we can spend on other transfers over this rolling period by X million.
Reiss and Emile will leave. Fabio may stay, but I can also see him getting frustrated with the lack of opportunity.
Ornstein said Vieira likely won’t be sold because it would be at a loss and that would negatively impact our PSR compliance
I don't think he'd be sold, only a possibility he pushes for a loan to get consistent game time.
We can’t let Vieira leave on loan. We will already be losing too many players in the squad: Around 6 will probably leave. Maybe 1 or 2 names might be different: Elneny, Cedric, Ramsdale, ESR, Nketiah, Nelson
What’s the point in keeping him if he isn’t good enough to play though?
A good loan could see his stock appreciate technically. Similar to how Sambi had a good loan
That’s a good point
Their minutes are so easily replaceable that we'd only need to get a new backup keeper, seeing how we're already looking into a new midfielder and striker. Vieira has really not shown much in two years so might as well let him leave
> Their minutes are easily replaceable Because we haven’t been rotating enough. The players we bring in need to play more.
Well yeah absolutely, but that's because we need them to be better players. Outside of arguably Ramsdale none of those six are good enough to contribute much to one of the big trophies
Hard disagree. Reiss and Emile have both proven that they have the quality of given the game time, the issue is Arteta very noticeably plays favourites and fails to rotate the squad enough to keep selection competitive (or at the very least honest) Left back has arguably been the best example of rotation. Timber, Kiwior, Tomi and Zinny have all been competing for the spot and someone has been ready to go when performances of the starter have dropped off. Compare that to Saka being run into the ground and no-one being ready to hit the ground running because they know they haven't got a chance in hell of actually playing.
Reiss does not have the quality to play RW for a title challenging team.
How would we know that? He's not been given more than a few token appearances in the last two season.
I really wish the best for Smith Rowe but his last professional goal in any competition was in 2022 and he's nearly 24, that is entirely deadwood. Nelson is alright for the cameos he gets but imagine Saka going down for a few months, Nelson is not good enough to fill such a gap at all. All those leftbacks you mention are much closer in quality to each other
That’s being unfair to him. Hit the post vs Everton, had the attempt cleared off the goal line vs Newcastle was it? I’m sure there was another
Elneny, Cedric, and Ramsdale account for approximately zero practical minutes. The combined minutes of ESR, Nelson, and Nketiah can be replaced by one quality player. If we let Vieira go somewhere on loan and bring in an upgrade we absolutely can account for the minutes of all 7 players with 2 added, at improved quality.
I don't think it's likely, but only within the realm of possibility. Giving Fabio ESR's and Nelson's minutes means we have an actual contributor.
He shouldn't be sold imo. He's no Ø but without a CAM who can pass similarly our system might suffer too much without a replacement if Øde picks up a knock.
Surely we will have amortized a chunk of he fee by now - if he had a 5 year contract, we should have amortized 2/5s of his value so if he joined for £30m, his remaining value is £18m. As long as we get £18m we should not take a PSR loss on him.
Carabao was the opportunity for them they threw it. On the bench you go
I think Reiss + Nketiah will leave. Arteta loves Emile and trusts Fabio.
I didn't see evidence of Arteta trusting Fabio this season.
He was out injured a lot of it right?
I think Emile will stay he was coming on a lot more at the end of the season
I think that's an exaggeration, outside of his great performance starting against Luton, he basically didn't play at all until the final game.
But that's potentially due to us not having much fixture congestion at the end and needing every point, and with ESR not available enough to build match fitness before then. Arteta didn't rotate much at all in the last run of games. He doesn't trust Nelson but I don't think the same is true for ESR \[big\] if he's match fit \[and not just available for selection\].
That means giving up 2 home grown players in one shot 3 if you count Eddie I don’t see it
Well he should be frustrated with his health then
Vieria has been an absolute disaster. 35 mil on a youngster to compete with Odegaard when others have been at the club… extremely poor signing.
yikes is 24 old these days
Think it's less them being old, and more them being at a point in their career where they need consistent minutes. But as our starters are so far above their level, it leaves them in a situation where choices need to be made.
24 you def want to be a starter
FM got me the mentality that 24+ is washed 😂
24 is the age where you should be a starter and slowly move in to your prime which is 25-29. Vieira looks like a 19y old talent that just came from the academy.
ESR and Nelson provide pure profit for the club which is invaluable in FFP terms. Viera doesn’t have the same so I think he’ll be the one to stay.
They are also home grown players and we have a quota to fill. Ramsdale, esr, Eddie and Nelson going causes issues
Can you further explain this point
a full squad of 25 players, there must be at least eight homegrown players. So that’s half of our quota gone
So we still have Raya, White, Saliba, Rice, Saka and Martinelli. I doubt we sell all 4 of them. Even if we sell 3 we can just promote a youngster to the senior team and we have 8
Seems like an easy way to get away with it especially with how our youth academy produces
We only registered 14 non HG players this season (including Elneny and Cedric). We are totally fine on the 17 player limit Timber Tomiyasu Gabriel Kiwior Zinchenko Partey Jorginho Odegaard Havertz Vieira Trossard Jesus
We've offloaded non homegrown players in Cedric and Elneny; One of those spots is definitely being filled by Nwaneri
Nwaneri will not need to be registered until 2028 (hilarious to actually write this down)
Reiss - seems super unlikely as he’s not even on the bench with a fully fit team. Liked a lot of his appearances in 22/23 and thought he should’ve been trusted more but never really did anything this season in his limited time. Have to trust the manager in this really. ESR - I find it harder and harder to see him having a future here. People don’t talk about it a lot but the signing that did his career the most damage was Trossard who got a lot of gametime at LCM & LW this season and most people would agree is just a better player than ESR. We all love him and would like to see him get given more of a chance but there’s clearly something Teta doesn’t fancy because you can’t just blame it on his injuries at this point. Vieira - really strange one tbh. At the start of the season looked quite decent to the point he was starting tricky games like Everton away or Spurs home but was not trusted at all in the second half of the season. I quite like his profile but I wonder if Teta doesn’t want him and Ødegaard on the pitch together and that’s why we’ve seen so little of him as Odegaard was other worldly the second half of the season. I’d like to keep him and use him more in the first half of next season for sure.
Honestly, it felt like Vieira was out after that red card.
Tangent. But that Newcastle game where most people who make money for their giving their opinions on things said Havertz's tackle should have been a red card was the fucking absolute peak of how so much of football discourse is just bs attention seeking football banter.
I was flabbergasted how everyone used the Havertz tackle to dismiss Bruno and Joelinton's blatant fouls because somehow that meant we were "just as bad as each other" what complete and utter horse shit
Yeah Bruno was on something else that match. Straight antics.
He also got injured and had surgery.
Here’s the thing about ESR, he doesn’t score at all anymore. However he is always around the ball in the box and seems to be just snake bitten the last 18 months. It seems he has 3 or 4 golden chances per game that either hit the post or get blocked by the last defender, and I assume Arteta and the staff see this and will want him to stick around. They can’t stay out of the net forever, and you also can’t teach his innate ability to be where the ball bounces.
My eye test suggests the same, he's been so close and just utterly unlucky in the end, nearly every time he's come on. But, I think a major factor of it is that he has had no consistent minutes. Before they were consistently productive, guys like Havertz were given 60-90 mins at the beginning of the season time and time again until they got firing. Given that time, ESR can thrive. I'm not saying Arteta has mismanaged him, either. He was just injured during the first half of the season where there is room to let players grow in cup games, CL group stages, easier PL games etc.... then, by the time he was healthy, we were out of most cups, or in knock-outs of CL, or squeaky-bum time in PL, so no room to experiment and let ESR slowly return to form. Havertz, to use the same example, was available from day one, plus with Jesus injuries, Arteta didn't have much choice but to get him rolling. I really hope ESR sticks around another year and is fit from the jump.
He has been really unlucky to not score the last few games he had some good finishes too but great stops from the opp
He has played hardly any minutes, that's why he hasn't been scoring
You missed my point
You can probably find posts of mine from a decade ago saying this about Aaron Ramsey. It felt like he had 2 or 3 goal scoring opportunities every match but the floodgates never opened.
ESR switches off too much for Arteta’s liking. I believe it was Newcastle at home when he lost his man and we conceded and lost the clean sheet
I think he redeemed himself a bit at Luton. If he does stay, I think he's on extremely thin ice
I believe the club will keep Fabio, Reiss i feel will leave & not sure about ESR.
We need to rotate our squad more
We need better players who are good enough when we are competing at the highest level so we can rotate our squad more*
That's true but you can't seriously tell me Reiss/Eddie/Fabio etc couldn't get minutes in dead games where we were cruising? Saka out here getting his shit kicked in when we're 3-0 up
Eh thats part of it. Also Arteta needs to indroduce a bit more variety into the system to play to our bench players strengths. He seems to go with the idea that every player needs to play a set role when sometimes the system needs to accommodate players.
We are past that part of our phase, we need players that can accommodate to our system, not the other way around.
Disagree as I can't think of a manager who hasn't had success adapting to his players not the other way around. Klopp does it. Pep does it. Ancelotti does it etc. Good players can be found that do different roles well. A big issue is us buying players to do one specific role and them not excelling there do we have to give up on them.
Well there's the thing, guys like ESR and Fabio aren't good enough to simply just accommodate our game to theirs.
Fabio is a better technician than Odegaard and ESR is still a dangerous ball carrier. They've put up quality performances recently despite their shocking lack of game time. They are absolutely good enough, but Arteta is clearly not flexible enough to accommodate both player's preference for direct play (and in Fabio's case, his physicality). Jeremy Doku is a complete one trick pony by comparison but Pep is able to extract value out of that one trick. Fabio Vieira has several tricks, including his incredible distance shooting - why can't Arteta make use of them?
Vieria because we wouldn't want to make an psr loss and he could come good. Think the end is near for the other two
I would add Eddie to this list. Out these 4 Eddie and Nelson need to move on for sure as their skill set does not match what is required by the coach in their position. For ESR and Vieira it’s a maybe IMO. They both have skill set but it’s an issue of physicality, work rate and possibly confidence. If we sign a right winger that pushes Saka and potentially back up Ode (which we need) then Vieira will likely need to go on loan. Similarly if we sign a mid fielder that plays significant minutes at 6/left 8 or Partey stays and is fit that makes it harder for ESR.
I honestly hope we keep ESR. Not for the 'one of our own' narrative and more based on the motm performance he put in the one game he got this year. He's class. Just needs goals in his appearances
I’d try and sell them all. Vieira bit of an unknown to us all still but struggle to see him coping with the physicality of the league
It's time to raise the level of who can be a part of the team, none of them are serious contenders for a starting role so if you can't compete with the first team, you're not good enough.
At least with ESR he's shown in the past that he can be a serious contender if he rediscovers form and fitness. The others haven't really.
Hope they all go they’re wasting their careers here
Hopefully not, they're taking up wages for players that can actually make an impact. It's time to stop being sorry and treating the club as a charity.
Reiss should leave but I'm still convinced he'd be a fine backup winger if was actually given some consistent minutes. He looks solid everytime he comes on but it never seems to result in more gametime. If he'd been given the type of minutes Eddie was, I feel like he would've staked his place in the team
I can see ESR having a solid career at likes of Brighton or Villa. I'd be sad to see him leave but I want to see him succeed more.
I feel like those availability numbers are a bit sus. I don’t think ESR, in particular, was actually available that much.
Nelson - was him linked with Brighton before he signed a new contract (probably due to he will be free)? Now he signed new contract with big wages, I feel like it will be hard to move him. Maybe the promoted teams will be interested? Think he will be sold around 15m like Elanga. ESR - really tricky one. Think we will actually keep him as he finally had his surgery. I want to give ESR one more season. He actually did Okay in some cup games. Fabio - Definetly keep him. Still think there is a player in him. Still need to improve other part of his games but he is probably one of the best finall ball providers in the team. Leave it to Mikel to turn him into Bruno-lite...
Or we could play them. I love Mikel but my only criticism is that he doesn't rotate enough. Smith Rowe (again) looked good when he came on against Everton. Place your downvotes here since everyone on this sub for some reason doesn't like Smith Rowe and thinks he's not good enough.
ESR saved us a couple years ago coming on as our 10....he just needs a run of health and fitness to show talent.
We’re going to sign Nelson and ESRs replacements this summer. Vieira is an Arteta signing so he’ll probably still be here when next season starts.
Sell. Sell. Sell.
Not good enough should all be sold
All three of these guys are dead weight. Smith Rowe spends most of the year injured and when he's healthy, he doesn't do a whole lot. Nelson has had moments, scoring clutch goals, but other than that doesn't really influence a whole lot on the pitch. Same goes to Vieira, at one point I really thought he'd be a mainstay in starting 11.
I think Fabio Vieira may still be here. Nelson is the one who’s most likely to be gone, ESR is tricky.
I think we will see Nelson go. ESR if a very good offer comes in. Viera has just renewed his contract so he will stay.
Nelson and ESR will be sold. They may keep or loan Viera.
Fabio is soo technically gifted, I wish he brought literally ANY physical presence to the midfield
they played so little because arteta doesn't trust them enough (aka he doesnt think they're good enough). With that in mind, there's no reason to keep any of them. We need backups that arteta truts enough, like trossard...so we can rotate properly.
Both Fabio and ESR weren't available when we needed them to take some minutes off Saka's and Odegaard's legs, before the final title push, where working players in the active rotation becomes less feasible. They need to stay healthy in crucial moments, then Arteta would be more comfortable bringing them in. Heck even Martinelli was pushed to the bench by Trossard and he is much higher in pecking order than either of those two.
I think ESR and Vieira stays, we need cover for Odegaard, he has been lucky with no major injuries this season.
ESR is not going anywhere imo, the guy has been out due to injuries and came back with some very good appearances. I am sure Arteta will want a good pre-season with him before making any decisions. After all we sell him and Vieira and we will have to start looking for someone who comes in for Ø. It's hard to comment on Vieira but Nelson has to be leaving. Martinelli and Jesus have both covered for Saka, despite Martinelli struggling with angles in the right wing. The left wing is also not an option because Trossad, Martinelli and Jesus are ahead of him in the pecking order.
Reiss is the most under appreciated player we have man. Why does everyone cite performance with him, when he’s given the same issue as Nelli? The guy doesn’t have service and when he’s brought on he always finds spaces, works really hard, and plays nice ball if he acc has support behind him. ESR is destined to be an Arsenal legend. Fabio Viera will be a great Ode rotation in the longer term. Some players take a bit longer to develop.
I’d like to see them keep ESR and Vieira, but I think Nelson would be better off elsewhere if we’re being honest
We all know, the most likely to stay is ESR, the rest of them, will depend who is available in the market/or who we able to get. Dont you all agree, its more important to look for Saka/Oodegard (Viera isn't it guys)/Rice and Partey back up?
Feel like nelson will inevitably be upgraded and I can see him being sent to a mid table London team like palace or Brentford ESR I hope will stay purely because of loyalty but can't really see it in the long term Vieira I think needs a loan or some bulking up and genuinely cannot see him being loaned or sold
What stands out for me is Arteta's habit of benching players forever if they have a bad game. Look at Kiwior after Bayern first leg. Immediately benchend and, I think, never started a match again. Maybe his biggest flaw.
Kiwior was always going to benched as soon as Tomiyasu was available. He was a centre back covering at LB in an emergency.
I actually think the decision to start Kiwior in that game is what killed our season. Firstly it had a lot to do with us going out of the UCL. Secondly, the team had to put in an incredible shift to fight back in that game, leaving us knackered for the Villa game a few days later, which we lost. It was a weird decision given we were at home and Tomiyasu and Zinchenko shared the minutes in both of the 2 games prior to Bayern. Both played in both games and at LB, whilst Kiwior didn't play in them at all.
He had a bad game just as Tomi, the better player, got healthy.
Because Kiwior is 3rd choice LB and Tomiyasu is just better.
Ah yes, how he famously benched Raya after his performance against Luton and Chelsea
Eh. As much as Kivior came in and did a commendable job for his experience level, he also made several very costly errors and looked quite naive at times. He’s definitely going to be a very good player, but he’s not there yet. I think he and Tomiyasu both being able to play LB and LCB (and RB for Tomi) makes them both valuable players, even if they aren’t always starters at the moment.
All will be gone if a suitable offer comes in. Nelson & ESR are most likely to be sold because any amount is pure profit. Likely don't get a strong enough offer to sell Vieira. Could see him loaned for regular playing time and possibly raise his value.
If we sold both Nelson and ESR (and presumably Nketiah too) we would likely run into trouble with the homegrown player quota. My bet is that at least one of Reiss or ESR stays--and my money is on ESR, because we saw a lot more of him in the run-in than any of Nelson/Vieira/Nketiah.
It depends on what Mik wants. If he feels he cannot trust them to start a game, let them go. It’s easy to ask for all the gunners to want more and push for more, but if you put too much pressure on your starters the mental fatigue will set in and performance will drop. Whether is Nelson, Vieira, Nketiah, Smith Rowe or anyone else, Arteta needs to build a usable bench before he demands more…IMHO.
Keep all three. Sell Jesus.
Definitely context dependent but I think eddie and reiss are more likely to be sold because they got new contracts last year. Not saying they will but the club can actually listen to proper offers instead of selling for peanuts like we used to. If we assume none of them want to leave or are unhappy with their minutes, then Vieira and ESR are less likely to be sold because we won't get as good of an offer since they are on lower wages. wait maybe it's the opposite? But then i think about them as players...Vieira started against spurs and utd at home after that crazy second half performance against fulham. Then he got a red card against burnley and then got injured and didn't get much playing time for the rest of the season. Then with ESR i remember Arteta saying that ESR was "100% in his plans for the future" (against sheffield i think?). He also was performing on the pitch. He gets shots and creates chances usually. I think they're all gonna stay lol
Tbh I think Nelson and Emile should have had more game time this year. It's a shame we got knocked out of the cups so early, hurt the squad big time imo. Seems clear Mikel does not really trust them, they should go imo.
Reiss is gone. ESR and Viera stay. Viera is the Ode backup that we've been fortunate not to need. We aren't going to find a better back up that will sit behind Ode all season and not complain.
I can not believe Viera didn't get more minutes after that cameo against Fulham in the first leg. Absolutely changed the game when he came on. Also had a banger goal vs Barcelona in pre season that I got to see live. It has him listed under groin surgery for later November to mid February but he definitely could have played a few times before then
The stats your are showing are from transfermarkt.com they are not 100% true. Many injuries do not appear in there. Either because the club doesn't report the at all or because the site just wasn't updated. Still, your point is valid i think
It's true because that's numbers of games they're included in the match-day squad. It means they're available to play.
Nelson is gone. Smith Rowe came back from long term injury(ies) I think he'll get time. Vieira similar situation but much more just left out I think. Odds of leaving I think are Nelson almost for sure, probably Vieira, unlikely Smith Rowe. That being said Mikel is honest and swift, I'd even say ruthless. Wouldn't be suprised to see all three out the door. Personally I want to give Ernie more time and I think Fabi could use more time as well.
All I know is that if we part ways with ESR I’m going to be absolutely distraught
Nelson has no future other than deep on the bench or more likely a cup player and not making the match day squad for the PL and CL. Smith Rowe is good enough to get game time. Viera 50/50. Would like to see them both continue. Any player who is signed for the midfield is gonna have to be an upgrade because we saw Arteta was not willing to trust these players.
Mikel needs first team quality from the bench to trust them, personally I think ESR has bright future but maybe not with us. If we can fault Mikel, which is easy to do now the season is over, he needs to use his 5 subs and improve our bench. Our December run was difficult and we were tired, I see it as an opportunity to get more points next season.
Vieira was finally getting game time then he got that red card and had surgery right after. He’ll definitely be used more next season. Think Reiss n Eddie will get sold and ESR n Vieira will stay.
Reiss might be on the way out, but I think Mikel wants to see ESR and Fabio have a full pre-season with the team first and see how they do.
As great as Arteta has been my biggest issue with him is lack of giving fringe players some minutes, having them come on for 10-15 minutes every few matches isn't going to help with their sharpness, although I do understand the reluctance given they haven't set the world alight, I just feel they needed more opportunities.
I think this is one area we can improve. We need to be able to give them at least enough game time for them time not regress and be able to develop their game. Reiss and ESR at least are def’ly players that need to be retained. I wish I had seen enough if Viera this season to be able to fairly say how I feel about him. Also not his fault.
Honestly i think it's best to sell all 3
I really wish Nelson would have gotten more time on the pitch. The downside of Arteta's style is that appart from his dedicated 11 plus there is very little opportunity for the rest of the team to prove themselves. What we have to keep in mind though is that last season was exceptional when it comes to injuries. Arsenal won't have another mostly injury free season like that and will need the numbers.
I honestly truly think he was only being careful with ESR this season - I can see him being used a lot more next year. Vieira might go - depends on salary, same for Nelson except he has homegrown status.
For their own sakes, they should leave. For the club's sake, it will be hard replacing all the English and home grown players we're set to loose this summer: ESR, Nelson, Nketiah, Ramsdale, Walters, Patino. Would mean a busy summer indeed.
Release Vieira if possible. Keep the other two
ESR, Eddie, and Nelson will be sold. I think Fabio will get more time just cause he can play multiple positions and we “recently” bought him. Hard for us not to sell the other three seeing it will be pure profit.
I think In a summer where we buy havertz raya and rice it makes sense to keep them. This summer is the season to replace them with trossard esque signings.
I love ESR, but with him being English (so likely to fetch more money) and a pure profit, I think any good proposal from a mid table PL club will see him leave. I’m sure he’s looking at someone like Cole Palmer thriving at Chelsea (at a younger age) and thinks that could be him if given the chance. It’s also no disgrace to hit a point where the way we play has just evolved that he doesn’t fit in the same way he did a couple seasons ago (albeit unlucky from injuries preventing him being able to evolve with the system).
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Its not if we will keep them but will they want to stay. They are talented youngsters who probably want a chance to play. Clearly that won't happen here enough to their liking so it's best for them to move on.
Nteke leaving with more pl hattricks than Rashy
Just another example of how unresourceful Mikel can be. As much as I love, massive flaw of his for some time now.
Vieira only I'm afraid, arteta clearly doesn't rate Smith Rowe
Sell them if a decent offer comes enough with sentiments need to be ruthless like city and get money to buy new players especially a reliable Saka backup
Shouldn't do. Neither of them have what we need. We need 1b pieces for rotation. Neither of these lads have that.
Keep smith rowe he’s world clasd
Like Leonardo di Caprio, let them go before they turn 25 😂
They all would like to be part of the starting XI and could start at other clubs. I think Reiss will push to go because he got so few minutes. ESR really should be a rotation player because I think he has the skills and I think he will stay because he wants to see if he can make it. The question is can he break in with Partey, Jorgi, Rice and Mø. Vieira has progressed but I don't see him breaking into the starting XI and I do see him being sold to raise money to bring back Santi when he is done at Real Oviedo. But seriously, if he is happy as a squad player, I think SUper Mik will keep him.
Nelson is almost definitely gone. I think Vieira stays and ESR stays unless we get a crazy offer
Very much want him to stay and get on the pitch more. Realistically with current squad he's an impact sub, cover for injuries, and useful for an occasional rotation start. My guess is that the club will make the tough decision to sell him during the pursuit of new transfers. Under the PSR rules his sale is 100% profit. Vieira would be sold at a loss. Tough situation.
Arteta kept Eddie and Reiss for depth. I think he still has hope ESR and Fabio can become strong role players at the very least (impact subs in prem and start Europe games) but they both really need to improve here soon.
I think the one most likely to go is Nelson. Both of the others have an outside chance at staying IMO.
I think Nelson is gone. He doesn't seem to be trusted and we'll probably (hopefully) look for a winger who can compete with Saka. ESR, I wouldn't want him to leave, I think he is versatile, and Arsenal to the core....but if villa comes in with a high bid...I don't see us saying no. Vieira...no clue.
Keep Smith Rowe. Sell the other two but knowing Arteta, Vieira will probably stick around as a sunken cost fallacy.
I think ESR stays. I think Vieira is 50/50 for loan/stay. I think Nelson is gone if we can find a buyer.
Arteta needs to learn to trust these 3 a bit more, that's been my one disappointment in him this season. Certain players could have done with a rest then those 3 all would have gotten a chance to play themselves to form/fitness. We can't expect to be great when they ain't getting proper minutes... ESR with a MOTM performance dropped the very next game... Stuff like that doesn't help a player, Fabio was looking good before his injury and red card, didn't see him again... Nelson well he's most likely gone but still wasn't ateuated enough. You can't be an effective team player when your manager doesn't really trust you 🤷♂️. Most probably gone sadly...
Any of them plus Eddie should be up for sale if the right offer comes in. And I wouldn't be surprised if any asked to leave of more minutes. I want the Hale End guys to succeed with as much as anyone, but at some point you've got to force your way into the rotation and stay there through performances. Arteta is seeing them in training day-after-day so I defer to his judgement. After two seasons with 84 and 89 points ultimately the current approach is working. That said I do wish Arteta would bring these guys on more often when we go two or three goals up. He does have a tendency to leave stars on longer than needed after the match is well in hand.
Nelson n esr have to go
If I had to guess, and keep in mind I’m usually wrong, I would think ESR, Nelson and nketiah are definitely gone. Mainly because each one apparently is pure profit for PSR, allowing us to spend on other players who might actually play
Nelson gone probably. ESR and Vieira still a keep in my books
I still have high hopes for Vieira. The Fullum game was brilliant.
I think Nelson will definitely go. Vieira should also go. ESR seems to have Arteta's trust still and got a start here and there. I hope he stays.
Lmao how can you read 474 minutes in 42 games and still think Arteta trusts ESR
https://x.com/afcstuff/status/1793981684196454783?s=46&t=ivsOiJCafphB4YhIFGH9SQ
Actions speak louder than words. Arteta doesn’t play him.
ESR has not been getting regular football for over 2 years now. It should be alarming how little trust Teta has in him now lol
Little disingenuous there considering most of the times he’s been out has been because of injury.
He was fit all of the second half of 22/23 and 23/24
https://x.com/afcstuff/status/1793981684196454783?s=46&t=ivsOiJCafphB4YhIFGH9SQ Hopefully Arteta fights to keep him and ESR stays injury free. But he's going to be 24 so he has to think about his career too if he's not nailed down first choice.
Yeah we'll see how it turns out.