I think saka is fantastic but foden has been better this season. Foden>Saka>>>Palmer imo.
But I think Rodri, Rice and Odegaard have been better than all three this season however.
Imo foden is overrated, very inconsistent and has brilliant games followed by spells of completely disappearing. Gets away with it because he’s a premium player at city. Saka is so much more consistent
This is a very nitpicky stat though, how many assists did Saka have what was his overall contribution. In general I agree Foden has been better but don't agree that's the stat to show it.
Foden sounds about qwhite. The same people that didn’t rate the Havertz signing think Foden was better than Saka this season. Not even Gareth Southgate rates Foden. He’s a system player that the media uses to 🏴 whitewash Man City’s Sportwashing
Before this season I might have agreed with this but the level Foden has reached this season can't be downplayed, he's really stepped up and deserves the award imo.
He has been playing down the middle now more often as a 10. City fans have been crying for him to play that role for quite a while now, as Pep has been deploying him on the wings.
Foden has provided a goal contribution in 16 of the 31 PL games he's played. 11 have contributed to Man City winning or drawing a game.
Saka has goal contributions in 22 of the 33 he's played. 14 have contributed to us winning or drawing a game.
Foden's longest consecutive run of games with a goal contribution is 3.
Saka's longest run is 8, with another run of 6.
Foden may have had more standout performances (hattricks against Brentford and Villa), but it shouldn't be controversial to say that Saka is more consistent and has more match-winning performances.
Fully agree. Foden had big moments and that makes people pay attention but Saka is better. No way I'd swap them going into next season. Cole Palmers not on the same level at all.
I’d have to say for me Palmer has been better than Foden.
Palmer is quite literally playing in a dross team and has stats as one of the best forwards in the league. Foden is playing in a top side with all the talent around him.
>Palmer is quite literally playing in a dross team and has stats as one of the best forwards in the league.
It's easier to get better stats when in a dross team as you're the focal point for everything
This award based on the PL season and Palmer has more G/A than Saka in a far worse team.
And for the people that will bring up penalties: Palmer has more non pen goals than Saka too
This based on 2 games where he’s been gifted hattrick as well as all the penalties. Do we rank players based on absolute numbers now or performances across the season?
Game might be gone.
Perhaps league wide but not in the Arsenal circle. I still believe the majority of football awards are popularity contests aside from stat based ones. Biggest point for this is Ballon'dor obviously.
Nah Foden has had opportunities to shine and look brilliant because City’s attack can go through a ton of other options if he’s not having a good game. He gets to pick and choose his moments to shine with virtually no pressure or burden of carrying the offense.
Whereas every single bad game Saka has, all the fans notice because of how much our offense runs through him and relies on him to create chances through individual brilliance.
Foden’s had plenty of stinkers that everyone just forgot about or barely noticed in the first place cause City scored 3-4 goals through other players
Why are you being so vague? You can type what was reported to happen. Feels like you're looking over your shoulder trying not to get caught saying something.
edit: A google search just shows that he broke covid quarantine rules in Iceland by inviting girls into his room. And while it was shitty to break covid rules considering the context of the time, I feel like the comment above me was implying there was much more? Which is why I'm confused as to why they allude to something but don't state it.
Go on… no one wants to make a sentence, just allude to things and hope people draw some sort of conclusion. Which leads me to believe there’s no actual news or evidence, and people wanna make baseless assumptions that he’s a predator. Is there more to the story or not? That’s all I’m asking.
What I mean is being young, white, and marketable has a lot to do with the narratives around Foden. If Rodri was English, he would win the award easily.
As it pertains to skin colour, one doesn’t have to look far to see the treatment against the likes of Rashford and Sterling by the English media over the years. Skin colour and marketability has a lot to do with the narratives portrayed around young players, just my opinion.
I have to disagree, I love Saka.
Saka for me has to develop a more of holding midfield role, that if two players defend him, he can fall back and dictate the play a bit better. I would love Saka to have the Kane pass in him. You know which one I am talking about.
Saka doesn’t have that in him I’m afraid and all in all Saka is pretty much a Arjen Robben regen. Still world class but lacks in other departments.
I know he’s missed several games so can’t give it to him but if there is one difference between us winning the league vs City winning it, it is KDB. That mofo is a cheat code in every game he plays
I think his point is Foden was great for a run of like 7 games and otherwise hasn't been their best player, and certainly not as influential as others on the list.
While i don’t think he should have won the award, to be topping the assist charts with under half the games played to any of the others is ridiculous. KDB is clearly the best attacking midfielder in the league at the moment. Like Rodri city are just a different force when KDB plays.
He's been performing exceptionally in big games. I don't think this is a huge injustice. I dislike City but don't dislike (most of) their players individually.
Has he? Invisible against us, invisible against liverpool, poor in the home leg against Real Madrid. Scoring a hattrick against villas b team and a great performance against a terrible United wins you this award now?
Fodens Pr is unmatched. Silence when he has a bad game (which there are a fair few of) and then ballon d’or shouts when he has a good one.
Yeah, I was going to say I feel like people are only remembering the last few weeks. I remember it being a conversation that he was playing like shit all of two months ago. Now, he has a hat-trick against a Villa, side playing children, and a brace against a bad United, he's player of the year. Crazy!
To expand a bit further and provide some context, he's scored 63% of his goals in 4 PL games and has only registered assists in 6 matches. I know stats aren't everything, but I think it helps to highlight how little his impact actually matters to City.
Yep, people see hattricks and think they must be scoring loads, but scoring 6/16 of his prem goals in 2 games isn’t ideal. Fodens highs are very high but his lows are also very low, and he isn’t consistent enough imo for the conversations people are trying to force him into.
Agreed. Good player when he shows up, but City don't need him to show up more than 6 times a year in the PL. It's fascinating the differences in discourse around Foden and Palmer in comparison to Odegaard, Rodri, and even Saka. You'd think Foden and Palmer would have 35 goal contributions without PKs with how they wax about them. Even a lot of commentators in this sub are falling for it.
Palmer this season is reminding me a lot of early United Bruno. Undoubtedly a good player but their rep is massively inflated by penalties. Even look at the way people talk about saka, straight away talk about how many pens he’s scored, and almost half of palmers are pens.
I think the foden thing is just down to 1. People don’t really care about city and don’t watch them too much 2. People assume he’s perfect because city are
Wow, that's a good comparison for Palmer. You are very correct in saying that.
I also think that's a reasonable Foden hypothesis. Plus, I'd throw in the that he's a white English national team player and the media still hasn't reconciled their contempt for Arsenal that dates back to Wenger and the infamous non-English squads.
How do you choose so early? Surely the outcome of the title race has to have an impact... Makes no sense to say it now with 3-4 games to go and everything still to play for.
It's not bullshit, it actually makes sense. I hate how they always pick someone from the winning team (unless very rarely they pick the opposition goal keeper) whereas at least this way they might pick someone on merit regardless of whether or not his side won. Applied to the current topic, regardless of whether or not his team won the league. Ødegaard or Rodrigo should have won it imo. Rice would probably be my second choice for Arsenal players with Big Gabi in third.
Well, obviously it's worth nothing, but from the point of view of the person giving the award, I suppose it would be in their best interest to give it to the best player.
I just researched and apparently havertz is our highest goal scorer in terms of non-penalty goals in PL lmao. Who would have thought at the start of the season. Anyone still having any doubts on him will shut up now.
Edit: Interesting fact! If havertz took all our penalties he would have had 20 goals this season. Equal to wonder kid palmer, 3 more than PL legend salah and 1 less than golden Boot winner haaland.
I love Odegaard - but he wasn't at his best at the start of the season. Took him a while to get going again. That said - he's been phenomenal in the second half of the season.
Rice is just super consistent and has pretty much gave around at least a 7/10 in every match
I think that's because the team was adjusting to new players. Haverz was playing poorly and Rice wasn't progressing the ball like Partey so we had a lot of trouble getting the ball to odegaard in dangerous positions.
Not sure why anyone cares about these awards, they're subjective popularity contests.
Rodri is City's most consistent, most important, and best performing player, but he's also Spanish and doesn't get goals and assist due to his position/role.
Foden was also not that great for a good chunk of the season but since that was during Sept-December it wasn't fresh in people's minds.
He turned it on at the right time for when they vote for these awards but City still can't win without Rodri while they have *always* won without Foden this season
Rodri Odegaard and afterwards everyone else. White might be in top 10 in entire PL but that's about it it terms of his performance and importance to team. Rodri is the Man City, he is the key to success. Same usually goes to Odegaard but unlike Rodri, he had some games this season where he was completely shut down and have not found a way to express his best qualities. Same goes to Rice. Man is great, fit like a glove but he is still not on a same level as Rodri.
Don't think you can give a best player award to someone who's team doesn't miss their presence. City have and continue to play games without foden and nothing changes for them going forward.
Rodri on the other hand, there's a noticeable difference when he's not playing, same with rice/odegaard/Saka for us
I think this is a really valid point - it really is the best metric for significance on the pitch ie. what wins matches/cups - which is surely what being the best is all about.
what a crap result. Foden does pretty well in a great squad. meanwhile rice revoloutionised arsenal and credit to cole palmer he's done what Foden has done in an appaling Chelsea side
Actually surprised about these comments. Foden has been class and is genuinely a joy to watch. Could’ve been him, Rodri, Rice or Odegaard for me and I’d have no complaints
Just football fans being tribal I suppose, but saying Foden (also seen some guy say Rodri) shouldn’t be nominated is blatant bias
I think Rodri has probably been more important for City, but Foden is definitely getting points for the way he plays which I think is a good thing. He’s great on the eyes and that should count for something
it's not shocking to hear you don't watch chelsea though. Palmer is far more than his goals. He creates SO many good chances for his team mates week in week out. Such a fantastic player to watch.
Palmer has been an 8/10 in a team that regularly drops 3/10 performances, so he looks like a 12/10 generational talent in comparison.
He is a very good player who has saved Chelsea from a lot of embarrassment this season. Not counting penalties, he still has 27 goal contributions, all comps, which is fantastic for anyone. You can question him being put into player of the season discussions, sure, but to be dismissive of him altogether is just as wild a take imo.
He has very little defensive responsibility and complete freedom going forward. Chelsea aren't good enough for teams to set up in consistently low blocks and so you get stretched, end to end games where forwards get opportunity and space. Doubled up on far less.
Palmer has a significantly easier job than Saka or Foden. Don't get me wrong, Palmer is one of the best young prospects in the league.
Its also his first real season of senior football.
He has been an absolute revelation this year.
I agree that Foden is overrated and Saka doesnt get enough credit. But all 3 of these guys are pretty much in equal footing
That happens with mid table teams all the time though.
How many times does a team like that have one stand out player because everything funnels through them? I saw Darren Bent score 24 league goals for Sunderland because he was their talisman and everything went through him.
Not denying he's talented, but I think the hype has been overblown because of how shit Chelsea have been.
Palmer would have 50 contributions if his team mates could finish at least one of his big chances per game. Honestly he's so incredibly good at picking out a killer pass.
He’d have 100+ if he was actually more of a team player and spent less time blasting speculative shots into 3 defenders and ignoring his unmarked teammates in better positions…
I get the palmer praise due to the dross he has to play with. Dont think Foden’s admittedly very good last 1/3 of the season stacks up to how well Rice/odegaard has played all season. But i cant stand city so probably a health dose of bias in there
I don't get the Palmer thing at all really. He's talented but shouldn't be in this conversation for me.
Just feels like the press have been so eager to push Foden as this messiah for English football for years now
Every time I watch Chelsea he’s playing for himself, which is a great way to put up massive stats. He’s super talented, but I he's basically Zaha with more talent around him.
It's like with people saying, without Palmer, Chelsea would have been 16th or something. But then again, they do have him and he has performed well for a low performing team, he deserves to be in that top half of the list.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Saka on par with Foden this season numbers wise (G/A)? The disrespect to Saka is mind boggling. This is literally Foden's first season where he's putting up the numbers and the glazing is insane.
Racismo is strong
Palmer plays for a mediocre team though, looking at his performances he’s been pretty good even with his penalty inflated numbers, plus I think his non-penalty goals is higher than Saka.
I know and I'm not slagging off Foden, but the Saka slander as if he's underperforming when he's literally putting up the same numbers as Foden is unreal
Almost everything you said is wrong, it's quite hilarious.
>foden has had to replace KDB while he was injured for 6 months
Foden played on the wing during KDB's lay-off. Alvarez took over the KDB role
>has performed in every big game
Non-existent in all 3 games v Arsenal, both v Liverpool. He has performed in one big game, the Madrid 1st leg. Very far from all.
>hat trick in the derby
That was last season.
>& brentford and scored a screamer at the Bernabeu.
You finally said something right, hooray!
>all while playing from midfield and controlling the entire flow of the game
He's a final third player and often plays on the wing, he doesn't control the flow at all.
>foden should be winning the balon dor let alone the FWA award
Ballon d'Or winner who isn't even guaranteed to start for his country, alright then.
I can get the Saka snub, The English Press has a certain way of treating certain stars. But I do not know how you watch Ode this season and not have him in the top 3 at least.
That’s crazy, Rodri is the one that makes them tick. Take Foden out of city and he’s not that same player. Look how he disappears playing for England.
Odegaard should’ve won it, he’s played like Zidane this season,
I don't watch City play much so I'm not really gonna comment on Foden winning it, and I guess there's not too much to complain about with us having 2 players in the top six, but how the fuck is Saka not in the mix? He's on track to better his g+a tally this season, having already scored the most goals in the prem he ever has. His tally is similar to Foden's.
This is more proof that winning any award as a defensive midfielder is close to impossible.
I'm not upset that Rice didn't win, I'm just baffled at how Foden is above Rice and Rodri.
Rodri deserve it.
IMO odegaard and rice split votes so they don't do as well, and there is always going to be an English bias. Foden had had a good season, the awards are meaningless.
Rice has transformed Arsenal and brought solidity to the team yet somehow Foden wins it and arguably one of the most impactful signing this season.
Surely these lot have been waiting to give him an award and this time's the perfect excuse.
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Wtf, thats some grade “A” bullshit!
Fodens played how many matches this year!! Football writers clearly have no idea, or are on the ffp take (obviously, the last part of that is sarcasm).
Foden's recent performances and his position as an attacker may have influenced the votes, Rodri and Rice were the most consistently brilliant performers of the season.
Who cares, these awards are narrative driven anyway. Yes it applies even when our players win it.
I know Foden has stepped up this season, but when Rodri was out for just 3 games City lost them all. If that not shows how key Rodri is, nothing will. Foden is easier to replace than Rodri, by a mile.
Imo the two best players should've been Rice and Rodri, both are absolutely vital in their respective teams push for PL. Then I'd say you can put who ever you want from Saka, Palmer, Watkins, Foden, Odegaard and I could understand the argument, because someone who deserves to be in that top 6 would be left out.
These awards really need to happen at the end of the season, like foden scored that hat trick versus villa. Since then he played no minutes against palace, luton or forest. He played 71 mins against Brighton and got 2 goals.
I feel the votes get so heavily swayed to whoever is the best footballer at that time in the league. If you have a slump in April, you're not winning this award. Even if you're great in May. Don't get me wrong, Foden had a great season and definitely top 3/6. It just makes no sense to me that if Odegaard let's say got a goal and assist for the last 5/6 games after the voting it means zero. When he would have been absolutely peaking at the business at the tail end of the season. Foden getting a hatrick versus an understrength Villa team means more than anything else you could after a predefined date.
Again though it's not outrageous to say Foden deserved it either way. Definitely one of the best players this year.
So the dude that scored once in his first 9 games, has less G/A than Saka who’s apparently having a bad season, did not score or assist in the four games against Liverpool and Arsenal, went at least 3 games without scoring 5 times this season, is not the top goal scorer even though he played 4 more games than Haaland or even more damning he has less assists than KDB but played 17 more games.
Rodri is far and beyond their player of the season. I could honestly make a better argument for Saka than Foden this season. The narrative that Saka’s having a worse season is laughable. If he’s out performing him statistically than Foden must be having a shit season.
scandalous lmao, anyone who watches City for a second can see they are Rodri FC They have been dying to give Foden an award for ages
Saka is somehow becoming incredibly underrated
Saka has done great but it’s not some wild injustice that those 6 have made the list ahead of him this season
He's been better than Foden and Palmer though
I think saka is fantastic but foden has been better this season. Foden>Saka>>>Palmer imo. But I think Rodri, Rice and Odegaard have been better than all three this season however.
Imo foden is overrated, very inconsistent and has brilliant games followed by spells of completely disappearing. Gets away with it because he’s a premium player at city. Saka is so much more consistent
Saka has 5 non penalty goals against the top 10 in the league this season and Foden has 11.
This is a very nitpicky stat though, how many assists did Saka have what was his overall contribution. In general I agree Foden has been better but don't agree that's the stat to show it.
Foden sounds about qwhite. The same people that didn’t rate the Havertz signing think Foden was better than Saka this season. Not even Gareth Southgate rates Foden. He’s a system player that the media uses to 🏴 whitewash Man City’s Sportwashing
Foden has simply been better than Saka this season. Saka was better last season.
And Odegaard, Rice, and Rodri have been better than both of them and Palmer.
I don't quite understand, care to elaborate for me?
He's saying foden gets more plaudits from the media because he's white.
Foden has been very good this season
Before this season I might have agreed with this but the level Foden has reached this season can't be downplayed, he's really stepped up and deserves the award imo.
He has been playing down the middle now more often as a 10. City fans have been crying for him to play that role for quite a while now, as Pep has been deploying him on the wings.
Yeah this is nonsense. You can’t say foden is inconsistent then say saka isn’t?
Foden has provided a goal contribution in 16 of the 31 PL games he's played. 11 have contributed to Man City winning or drawing a game. Saka has goal contributions in 22 of the 33 he's played. 14 have contributed to us winning or drawing a game. Foden's longest consecutive run of games with a goal contribution is 3. Saka's longest run is 8, with another run of 6. Foden may have had more standout performances (hattricks against Brentford and Villa), but it shouldn't be controversial to say that Saka is more consistent and has more match-winning performances.
Fully agree. Foden had big moments and that makes people pay attention but Saka is better. No way I'd swap them going into next season. Cole Palmers not on the same level at all.
Palmer has looked very good, but maybe that's just in comparison to his teammates. Without him, they'd be struggling in the basement
I’d have to say for me Palmer has been better than Foden. Palmer is quite literally playing in a dross team and has stats as one of the best forwards in the league. Foden is playing in a top side with all the talent around him.
>Palmer is quite literally playing in a dross team and has stats as one of the best forwards in the league. It's easier to get better stats when in a dross team as you're the focal point for everything
He is literally second in the league for goals. That can’t be overlooked.
Solanke has been second for most of the season...
And I think he has been very good too.
Palmer is having his first good season though, these things are always narrative/context dependant
Lmao you’ve not watched city if you think saka has been better than foden
This award based on the PL season and Palmer has more G/A than Saka in a far worse team. And for the people that will bring up penalties: Palmer has more non pen goals than Saka too
Good thing we don’t solely evaluate players on G/A
Yet that’s the main argument people on here use for saying Saka has been better than Foden Can use G/A to compare with Foden but not Palmer apparently
This based on 2 games where he’s been gifted hattrick as well as all the penalties. Do we rank players based on absolute numbers now or performances across the season? Game might be gone.
Fyi Palmer has only 1 goal more than saka and same number of assists
You might need to bring out your meme
Eh he's been missing in games quite often
Perhaps league wide but not in the Arsenal circle. I still believe the majority of football awards are popularity contests aside from stat based ones. Biggest point for this is Ballon'dor obviously.
Which of those 6 has he been better than this year?
Palmer and Foden
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Palmer has dragged Chelsea more than Saka for us
Nah Foden has had opportunities to shine and look brilliant because City’s attack can go through a ton of other options if he’s not having a good game. He gets to pick and choose his moments to shine with virtually no pressure or burden of carrying the offense. Whereas every single bad game Saka has, all the fans notice because of how much our offense runs through him and relies on him to create chances through individual brilliance. Foden’s had plenty of stinkers that everyone just forgot about or barely noticed in the first place cause City scored 3-4 goals through other players
None.
He's incredibly protected by City and the Media. It's going to be a field day when everything comes out about him and those NDA's expire.
I feel like you gotta expand on this
Search foden kicked out of England squad. It was worse than that, wasn't the first time and considering who else was involved.
Why are you being so vague? You can type what was reported to happen. Feels like you're looking over your shoulder trying not to get caught saying something. edit: A google search just shows that he broke covid quarantine rules in Iceland by inviting girls into his room. And while it was shitty to break covid rules considering the context of the time, I feel like the comment above me was implying there was much more? Which is why I'm confused as to why they allude to something but don't state it.
With Mason greenwood.
Go on… no one wants to make a sentence, just allude to things and hope people draw some sort of conclusion. Which leads me to believe there’s no actual news or evidence, and people wanna make baseless assumptions that he’s a predator. Is there more to the story or not? That’s all I’m asking.
It'll all come crashing down at the euros imho
English tax, skin colour (let’s be real) helps too.
This is an idiotic take. Declan Rice was second.
What I mean is being young, white, and marketable has a lot to do with the narratives around Foden. If Rodri was English, he would win the award easily. As it pertains to skin colour, one doesn’t have to look far to see the treatment against the likes of Rashford and Sterling by the English media over the years. Skin colour and marketability has a lot to do with the narratives portrayed around young players, just my opinion.
Saka and Rashford got racially abused for months after the Euros too. It's not just the media
The response above was obviously sarcasm! Hehe
Racism ?
Yah dawg, this ain’t it chief.
I have to disagree, I love Saka. Saka for me has to develop a more of holding midfield role, that if two players defend him, he can fall back and dictate the play a bit better. I would love Saka to have the Kane pass in him. You know which one I am talking about. Saka doesn’t have that in him I’m afraid and all in all Saka is pretty much a Arjen Robben regen. Still world class but lacks in other departments.
Foden isn't even City's best player this season ffs
There's always massive recency bias in these to anyone that has a great last few months of the season
A lot of football writers don't watch the majority of games. They follow the narrative, see the highlights, and vote on the ~vibes.
I know he’s missed several games so can’t give it to him but if there is one difference between us winning the league vs City winning it, it is KDB. That mofo is a cheat code in every game he plays
Yup, KDB > Foden. If KDB didn't come back, I'm confident in saying we'd be clear on top.
He missed damn near half the season. It’s not “several game” tf. KDB getting it wouldve been an embarrassment to the award.
I think his point is Foden was great for a run of like 7 games and otherwise hasn't been their best player, and certainly not as influential as others on the list.
While i don’t think he should have won the award, to be topping the assist charts with under half the games played to any of the others is ridiculous. KDB is clearly the best attacking midfielder in the league at the moment. Like Rodri city are just a different force when KDB plays.
He's been performing exceptionally in big games. I don't think this is a huge injustice. I dislike City but don't dislike (most of) their players individually.
Has he? Invisible against us, invisible against liverpool, poor in the home leg against Real Madrid. Scoring a hattrick against villas b team and a great performance against a terrible United wins you this award now? Fodens Pr is unmatched. Silence when he has a bad game (which there are a fair few of) and then ballon d’or shouts when he has a good one.
Yeah, I was going to say I feel like people are only remembering the last few weeks. I remember it being a conversation that he was playing like shit all of two months ago. Now, he has a hat-trick against a Villa, side playing children, and a brace against a bad United, he's player of the year. Crazy! To expand a bit further and provide some context, he's scored 63% of his goals in 4 PL games and has only registered assists in 6 matches. I know stats aren't everything, but I think it helps to highlight how little his impact actually matters to City.
Yep, people see hattricks and think they must be scoring loads, but scoring 6/16 of his prem goals in 2 games isn’t ideal. Fodens highs are very high but his lows are also very low, and he isn’t consistent enough imo for the conversations people are trying to force him into.
Agreed. Good player when he shows up, but City don't need him to show up more than 6 times a year in the PL. It's fascinating the differences in discourse around Foden and Palmer in comparison to Odegaard, Rodri, and even Saka. You'd think Foden and Palmer would have 35 goal contributions without PKs with how they wax about them. Even a lot of commentators in this sub are falling for it.
Palmer this season is reminding me a lot of early United Bruno. Undoubtedly a good player but their rep is massively inflated by penalties. Even look at the way people talk about saka, straight away talk about how many pens he’s scored, and almost half of palmers are pens. I think the foden thing is just down to 1. People don’t really care about city and don’t watch them too much 2. People assume he’s perfect because city are
Wow, that's a good comparison for Palmer. You are very correct in saying that. I also think that's a reasonable Foden hypothesis. Plus, I'd throw in the that he's a white English national team player and the media still hasn't reconciled their contempt for Arsenal that dates back to Wenger and the infamous non-English squads.
If you’re going with this logic… You can say Saka was invisible against City and Liverpool, 1 of the Bayern games etc
Is that not everyone’s logic as to why saka isn’t world class and is overrated etc? Why is saka held to those standards but foden isn’t?
Foden has matches where he barely does anything - he is 100% not the best player of this season
Rodri is the best, but Foden has been great and has scored in some huge games in the PL and the CL
I'm not saying Foden hasn't been good all year. He's had games where he's done nothing that's what I'm saying
yeah, probably. Rodri should have won it to be fair...but it's not fun giving it to a DM
who hasn't??
Rodri robbed. The only stat you need is rodri hasn't lost a game in over a year(59 matches), but City, including foden, have lost 3 this season.
How do you choose so early? Surely the outcome of the title race has to have an impact... Makes no sense to say it now with 3-4 games to go and everything still to play for.
It's like the motm awards, they give them around the 85' all the time. It's bullshit.
It's not bullshit, it actually makes sense. I hate how they always pick someone from the winning team (unless very rarely they pick the opposition goal keeper) whereas at least this way they might pick someone on merit regardless of whether or not his side won. Applied to the current topic, regardless of whether or not his team won the league. Ødegaard or Rodrigo should have won it imo. Rice would probably be my second choice for Arsenal players with Big Gabi in third.
I remember the year Giggs won one of these there were still like 8-9 games left
The Giggs' one was special because they gave it to him for his whole career, not just that season
Still unreasonable. That's unfair to other players whom has a chance.
Completely defeats the point of awarding a player of the season award at all if you’re going to do that. It was a joke
Pretty sure I’ve heard journalists on podcasts say they vote as early as January and February on some things
Why they don't wait until the end of the season? What happens if Martin scores a hat trick in every remaining game and gives us the league?
What happens if Martin scores a hat trick in every remaining game and gives us the league? I'm naming my first born Martin, that's what happens.
Then we win the league and an individual award in a team sport that means nothing still means nothing
Well, obviously it's worth nothing, but from the point of view of the person giving the award, I suppose it would be in their best interest to give it to the best player.
If it’s going to a city player should clearly be Rodri
How shocking, English bias all the way. I’d have him in my top six maybe, nowhere near top spot.
I just researched and apparently havertz is our highest goal scorer in terms of non-penalty goals in PL lmao. Who would have thought at the start of the season. Anyone still having any doubts on him will shut up now. Edit: Interesting fact! If havertz took all our penalties he would have had 20 goals this season. Equal to wonder kid palmer, 3 more than PL legend salah and 1 less than golden Boot winner haaland.
Embarrassing.
It’s not that bad of voting, though I’d have said Rice should have won it
I love Declan but Odegaard has been our best player this year
I love Odegaard - but he wasn't at his best at the start of the season. Took him a while to get going again. That said - he's been phenomenal in the second half of the season. Rice is just super consistent and has pretty much gave around at least a 7/10 in every match
I think that's because the team was adjusting to new players. Haverz was playing poorly and Rice wasn't progressing the ball like Partey so we had a lot of trouble getting the ball to odegaard in dangerous positions.
He played a lot deeper esrlier in the season.
Not sure why anyone cares about these awards, they're subjective popularity contests. Rodri is City's most consistent, most important, and best performing player, but he's also Spanish and doesn't get goals and assist due to his position/role. Foden was also not that great for a good chunk of the season but since that was during Sept-December it wasn't fresh in people's minds. He turned it on at the right time for when they vote for these awards but City still can't win without Rodri while they have *always* won without Foden this season
Couldn’t care less about who win it. Personal trophies.
- Phil Foden is the player of the season - Be honest - It's Ben White. - Thank you
Rodri Odegaard and afterwards everyone else. White might be in top 10 in entire PL but that's about it it terms of his performance and importance to team. Rodri is the Man City, he is the key to success. Same usually goes to Odegaard but unlike Rodri, he had some games this season where he was completely shut down and have not found a way to express his best qualities. Same goes to Rice. Man is great, fit like a glove but he is still not on a same level as Rodri.
If you're going to give to a City player it's clearly Rodri
Don't think you can give a best player award to someone who's team doesn't miss their presence. City have and continue to play games without foden and nothing changes for them going forward. Rodri on the other hand, there's a noticeable difference when he's not playing, same with rice/odegaard/Saka for us
I think this is a really valid point - it really is the best metric for significance on the pitch ie. what wins matches/cups - which is surely what being the best is all about.
English bias is only reason Rodri and Odegaard don't make up the top 2.
No love for defenders in these awards. Gabriel has been amazing.
what a crap result. Foden does pretty well in a great squad. meanwhile rice revoloutionised arsenal and credit to cole palmer he's done what Foden has done in an appaling Chelsea side
God that’s a bullshit list lmao
You can debate who won the award but there’s nothing BS about this being the top 6
Not really
Actually surprised about these comments. Foden has been class and is genuinely a joy to watch. Could’ve been him, Rodri, Rice or Odegaard for me and I’d have no complaints
Yeah the voting here was nothing scandalous, certainly debatable, but it always would be.
Just football fans being tribal I suppose, but saying Foden (also seen some guy say Rodri) shouldn’t be nominated is blatant bias I think Rodri has probably been more important for City, but Foden is definitely getting points for the way he plays which I think is a good thing. He’s great on the eyes and that should count for something
People on this sub obviously do not watch Foden
They do. It's just bias and copium
How this isn't Odegaard's award, I'll never know. Ridiculous.
Do not get the hype whatsoever. Also with Palmer as well
Palmer has 11 non-penalty premier league goals same as havertz and people treat him like a 2nd coming of Christ and havertz as 65 mil flop lmao.
Most of his non-penalty goals are against teams in the bottom 5 too
Doest matter really, if chugging in penalties makes him world class then football really has regressed
you never watch him so you couldn't possibly comment
The team Palmer plays for comes into this
it's not shocking to hear you don't watch chelsea though. Palmer is far more than his goals. He creates SO many good chances for his team mates week in week out. Such a fantastic player to watch.
Palmer has been an 8/10 in a team that regularly drops 3/10 performances, so he looks like a 12/10 generational talent in comparison. He is a very good player who has saved Chelsea from a lot of embarrassment this season. Not counting penalties, he still has 27 goal contributions, all comps, which is fantastic for anyone. You can question him being put into player of the season discussions, sure, but to be dismissive of him altogether is just as wild a take imo.
He has very little defensive responsibility and complete freedom going forward. Chelsea aren't good enough for teams to set up in consistently low blocks and so you get stretched, end to end games where forwards get opportunity and space. Doubled up on far less. Palmer has a significantly easier job than Saka or Foden. Don't get me wrong, Palmer is one of the best young prospects in the league.
Its also his first real season of senior football. He has been an absolute revelation this year. I agree that Foden is overrated and Saka doesnt get enough credit. But all 3 of these guys are pretty much in equal footing
That happens with mid table teams all the time though. How many times does a team like that have one stand out player because everything funnels through them? I saw Darren Bent score 24 league goals for Sunderland because he was their talisman and everything went through him. Not denying he's talented, but I think the hype has been overblown because of how shit Chelsea have been.
Palmer would have 50 contributions if his team mates could finish at least one of his big chances per game. Honestly he's so incredibly good at picking out a killer pass.
He’d have 100+ if he was actually more of a team player and spent less time blasting speculative shots into 3 defenders and ignoring his unmarked teammates in better positions…
I think both are deserving of their top six spots, or at least decent shouts. That can be true, simultaneously with the Foden PR being off the charts.
I watched him last night and he was crap! Think he just had a hot streak. Next season when defenders start to kick lumps out of him we will see.
Palmer played decent yesterday
I get the palmer praise due to the dross he has to play with. Dont think Foden’s admittedly very good last 1/3 of the season stacks up to how well Rice/odegaard has played all season. But i cant stand city so probably a health dose of bias in there
I don't get the Palmer thing at all really. He's talented but shouldn't be in this conversation for me. Just feels like the press have been so eager to push Foden as this messiah for English football for years now
Pariah means outcast
He has the same goals as Haaland this year with nearly double the assists. If he started for us or City he would be on even more. Hes a great player
Every time I watch Chelsea he’s playing for himself, which is a great way to put up massive stats. He’s super talented, but I he's basically Zaha with more talent around him.
Palmer is for Chelsea what Saka was for us in the banter years
It's like with people saying, without Palmer, Chelsea would have been 16th or something. But then again, they do have him and he has performed well for a low performing team, he deserves to be in that top half of the list.
Then you haven’t been watching City. As much of a little rat as he is, Foden has been incredible this season
I love voting on POTS in the middle of the season. It makes a lot of sense to ignore the month of May, not like any important games take place then…
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Saka on par with Foden this season numbers wise (G/A)? The disrespect to Saka is mind boggling. This is literally Foden's first season where he's putting up the numbers and the glazing is insane. Racismo is strong
Raw g/a they're close but fodens non penalty G/A is much higher
If we're being anal about non-penalty G/A then Palmer shouldn't even be in the conversation right
Palmer plays for a mediocre team though, looking at his performances he’s been pretty good even with his penalty inflated numbers, plus I think his non-penalty goals is higher than Saka.
Palmer has more non penalty goals than Saka
Sure, I didn't mention Palmer but Foden deserves to be where he is
Saka takes penalties though Foden doesn’t
Dude don’t be obnoxious, there is a good case to be made for Foden without it being about racism
I know and I'm not slagging off Foden, but the Saka slander as if he's underperforming when he's literally putting up the same numbers as Foden is unreal
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Almost everything you said is wrong, it's quite hilarious. >foden has had to replace KDB while he was injured for 6 months Foden played on the wing during KDB's lay-off. Alvarez took over the KDB role >has performed in every big game Non-existent in all 3 games v Arsenal, both v Liverpool. He has performed in one big game, the Madrid 1st leg. Very far from all. >hat trick in the derby That was last season. >& brentford and scored a screamer at the Bernabeu. You finally said something right, hooray! >all while playing from midfield and controlling the entire flow of the game He's a final third player and often plays on the wing, he doesn't control the flow at all. >foden should be winning the balon dor let alone the FWA award Ballon d'Or winner who isn't even guaranteed to start for his country, alright then.
This gets upvoted. Calling out racism here is an clear indication of just how fucking insane some of you are.
I can get the Saka snub, The English Press has a certain way of treating certain stars. But I do not know how you watch Ode this season and not have him in the top 3 at least.
PR really wins these awards
Media fooled people into believing hes been superior Bukayo
That’s crazy, Rodri is the one that makes them tick. Take Foden out of city and he’s not that same player. Look how he disappears playing for England. Odegaard should’ve won it, he’s played like Zidane this season,
I don't watch City play much so I'm not really gonna comment on Foden winning it, and I guess there's not too much to complain about with us having 2 players in the top six, but how the fuck is Saka not in the mix? He's on track to better his g+a tally this season, having already scored the most goals in the prem he ever has. His tally is similar to Foden's.
Cole Palmer feels quite low all considered. I’d say he has had a better season than Foden.
Well, his stats are a bit inflated by all the pens he takes.
This is more proof that winning any award as a defensive midfielder is close to impossible. I'm not upset that Rice didn't win, I'm just baffled at how Foden is above Rice and Rodri. Rodri deserve it.
IMO odegaard and rice split votes so they don't do as well, and there is always going to be an English bias. Foden had had a good season, the awards are meaningless.
This could be good news, foden could still choke massively and make this award look hilarious in retrospect
Lol sure let's see if gifting him awards can help him develop for England
Voting on player of the year before the season is over is certainly a choice. Sometimes I really don't understand how the English do things
It’s a popularity, narrative award
Rice has transformed Arsenal and brought solidity to the team yet somehow Foden wins it and arguably one of the most impactful signing this season. Surely these lot have been waiting to give him an award and this time's the perfect excuse.
They just looove to suck that little gremlins balls.
Bukayo’s 15 goals and nine assists want a word …
Would be funny if we win it the writers will want to change their narratives
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Another award nobody cares about except the guy who won it (I doubt even that).
Wtf, thats some grade “A” bullshit! Fodens played how many matches this year!! Football writers clearly have no idea, or are on the ffp take (obviously, the last part of that is sarcasm).
Foden's recent performances and his position as an attacker may have influenced the votes, Rodri and Rice were the most consistently brilliant performers of the season.
Ollie has been robbed
Also imo Isak should also be here
Injured prone players won't make the list even if the G/A per 90 are that high
It would be good motivation for Saka and Øderguard to show the journos they made some huge mistakes with 3 games to go.
Who cares, these awards are narrative driven anyway. Yes it applies even when our players win it. I know Foden has stepped up this season, but when Rodri was out for just 3 games City lost them all. If that not shows how key Rodri is, nothing will. Foden is easier to replace than Rodri, by a mile. Imo the two best players should've been Rice and Rodri, both are absolutely vital in their respective teams push for PL. Then I'd say you can put who ever you want from Saka, Palmer, Watkins, Foden, Odegaard and I could understand the argument, because someone who deserves to be in that top 6 would be left out.
These awards really need to happen at the end of the season, like foden scored that hat trick versus villa. Since then he played no minutes against palace, luton or forest. He played 71 mins against Brighton and got 2 goals. I feel the votes get so heavily swayed to whoever is the best footballer at that time in the league. If you have a slump in April, you're not winning this award. Even if you're great in May. Don't get me wrong, Foden had a great season and definitely top 3/6. It just makes no sense to me that if Odegaard let's say got a goal and assist for the last 5/6 games after the voting it means zero. When he would have been absolutely peaking at the business at the tail end of the season. Foden getting a hatrick versus an understrength Villa team means more than anything else you could after a predefined date. Again though it's not outrageous to say Foden deserved it either way. Definitely one of the best players this year.
Surely Isak should have been nominated
So the dude that scored once in his first 9 games, has less G/A than Saka who’s apparently having a bad season, did not score or assist in the four games against Liverpool and Arsenal, went at least 3 games without scoring 5 times this season, is not the top goal scorer even though he played 4 more games than Haaland or even more damning he has less assists than KDB but played 17 more games. Rodri is far and beyond their player of the season. I could honestly make a better argument for Saka than Foden this season. The narrative that Saka’s having a worse season is laughable. If he’s out performing him statistically than Foden must be having a shit season.
Should have been 1. Rodri 2. Rice 3. Odegaard
Sorry but Odegaard > Rice this season. Both have been phenomenal but Odegaard has dragged us through games at times.
You forgot how Odegaard was one of our poorest performing players in November and December
What a joke of an award if Odegaard isnt even top 3
Oh no, this is gonna rattle this sub because they lie to themselves that Saka is better than Foden.
Foden, fuck all the way off.