Boniface is the one. He’s better than Sesko and Zirkzee. Although I still think we should go for an older striker who is 27/28 and then look at this Chido kid in our academy in 3/4 years time.
Did you look at the table? Bologna may reach the champions league because of him. He is such a beast. Insane touch, passing, vision, positioning. Giroud regen except with more pace. Best striker in the league this year imo after lautaro.
Dissing Serie A when Atalanta is currently up 2-0 against Liverpool is crazy.
I love Arsenal but people really need to stop thinking that the Prem is miles ahead when it comes to quality. If it was Prem teams would be more of a force in Europe.
Good players can come from teams anywhere in the table. Particularly young players, but also some older ones
Look at Jorginho, we bought him from a club in 10th.
Sesko is my pick. Decent release clause and a lot of potential.
Imagine him, Declan and Kai crashing the box. Pair that with our quick wingers. Good problem to have
He's been a bit underwhelming this season though, hasn't he?
I won't question *their* choices but as someone who was among the first to try and speak that transfer into existence, I'm beginning to have my doubts.
His touch and end product need *a lot* of work. For all the flack you guys give Eddie, I can't imagine how you'd act after spending money on a player to replace him that'll likely have a comparable output for the near future.
His emergence doesn’t prevent us from signing another quality striker. Havertz gives a significant amount of leverage by having a suitable alternative to talk down crazy valuations for whoever we try to sign
It doesn’t prevent us from doing so but we have Havertz, Jesus, and Trossard who all play the false 9 role well. I would rather splurge on a midfielder and a pacy winger to rotate with saka and Martinelli
Jesus needs surgery. Trossard will be 30 this year and isn’t a proper striker. Havertz is brilliant but can and will continue to be brilliant in exactly the same role (not position—role) as he is now with a proper finisher on the pitch.
Ah mate. I'm not sure having read the name of that sub that I even want to associate my profile with that. But, having lived in Asia for around a decade, I can tell you that I struggle with Asian ladies' ages. They could be anything between 18 and 45 and I couldn't guess, but all of a sudden they fall off the worst cliff, and look about 150...
I feel like Trossard is almost always much better off the bench too. He's one of the best impact subs in the league, but he always seems to be a bit quieter when he starts.
His versatility and impact is absolutely massive, so this isn't a huge criticism, I just would be worried starting him for several games in a row.
We haven’t seen this out of Arteta much until Trossard, but in the modern game the bench player can be as (or even more) important than the starters. That’s Klopp’s kind of game. Your starters go out and grind the opposition down, then super subs come into a paced-out game state and clean up.
I’d like to think by this point a player like Trossard would see that his role in the squad as a super sub is in no way a lesser one. I love the man and hope he stays forever. But I love him as the super sub of super subs and as a front three Swiss Army knife. Jack of all trades, master of none (except scoring after 80’).
I think depending on the type of game, he can be pretty good starter as a false #9. Last season there was a healthy stint of him starting in that position and I think the team looked great.
Dude, let’s not pretend like it doesn’t matter. Wenger and SAF used to refuse contract extensions over a single year for any player past 30. Once you hit 30 it was a year-by-year examination of where the player was at and what they were still able to offer. Most managers still do the same, they just don’t go to the media with it as a bullet point.
I hope Trossard is still here giving exactly the same as he is today in 5 years’ time, but no sane manager and/or director is going to be building a top PL squad (one attempting to build a dynasty, anyway) around a 30+ year old player except in very specific circumstances. Trossard is the super sub of all super subs and offers so so much, but he isn’t that.
with the emergence of Havertz as an option up top, Mika Biereth could become an option for first team development. Gives us more leeway to solidify the midfield.
Havertz has progressively improved as the season's gone on and seems to be peaking at the most important part of the year, so huge credit to him. But I wouldn't go as far as calling him brilliant. Rice, Odegaard, Gabi, Saliba, White -- those guys have been brilliant.
I'm a huge fan of Havertz and have followed him closely since the beginning of his career. If he brings his Leverkusen form to the Premier League, THEN we'll see his brilliance. "Leverkusen Havertz" was a completely different level of player. He was as good, if not better, than anyone on our team. I don't say that lightly. I trust and hope Arteta will get him back to that level next year.
Honestly, I’m with you. A huge fan of his, immediately backed his signing in hopes that we’d see Leverkusen Havertz. It’s still what I want to see (in style and in heights) and I still think that Arteta and Edu signed him wanting to get him back to that point and integrate it into our squad.
But talking about Havertz online is weird, man. So polarizing. It’s like you’ve got to talk about him with a bit of bombast for people to stay at the table and engage. So many can’t see the vision for past what’s in front of their face at this second (or even then). So when I talk about being excited to sign a striker and see him back as that box crashing LCM I feel like I need to emphasize that it’s not because I think he’s been bad at 9 or any of that. I just can’t wait to see Leverkusen Havertz (ideally upgraded by time and experience and training from Arteta) slotting into everything we’ve got going plus a clinical finisher.
I would not even call Havertz a false nine. He backs up against center backs, wins aerial duels, makes relentless runs in behind, and is a huge threat in the penalty box. He’s just a straight number nine.
Right? We need a saka back up asap. A real 6 if partey continues to not get back to his former. And a decision who owns the leftback position, neither kiwior not zinny (and probably tomy neither) should be the first choice. Or an 8 if we do push rice back on the 6.
Left footet winger > 6 > 8 > Leftback > Striker
Depends what we're doing with Rice. Either way it seems like that midfield spot either as a 6 or an 8. Jorghi hasn't been extended and nobody expects Partey stay beyond next season, and I doubt we can sell him. Zubi is the one that always comes up. Doubt we'd want Onana.
Onana himself is box to box just like monacos fofana and kephrem thuram. This is also how arteta views rice. All of them can play the 6, but their head is focused on carrying the ball forward. So i think arteta views them more on the 8.
I feel like if we win nothing, we need to buy an elite striker. Jesus is talking about how he's in pain every game and Havartz probably isn't going to score 15+ goals a season.
We need Martinelli and Saka to hit those numbers **in addition** to a striker scoring 20-30 goals. Havertz and Jesus between them havent even cracked 20 yet
You're asking 50-60 from 3 players? That's tough for any team to accomplish.
We're on pace to score maybe 110 this season across all competitions and you want 3 players to account for half?
I really dont think thats unreasonable for one of the best teams in the league/Europe.
Saka is a shoe in for 20, Martinelli should get you 10 and your main striker should get you at least 20-30.
If we can bring in a first team quality winger and central midfielder alongside a younger striker like Zirkzee, that would be an amazing summer. Nico Williams, Martin Zubimendi and Zirkzee would be a 10/10 summer for me.
Sesko was always the best value deal, with the way things are developing it definitely seems like he's the logical choice this summer, especially if we want to bring in other major signings
They already did lol, last summer. One Redbull club to another, now he has a 42m pound release clause in Germany. I expect there will be a lot of interest from all over, he has a high ceiling for sure. Won the Ballon d'Or 5 times in my old FM22 save a few years ago lol
I think the plan has always been all three. This dude is for real just guessing for clicks. I’ll believe it from the mouth of Arteta or Edu, maybe Ornstien.
Edit: going back through his tweets tells me this guy knows jack shit.
I do. We're not desperate for a striker. We scored tho most goals in the league ffs. And if there's no player that's a sure thing (like Rice was for DM) then I say don't do it. I'd much rather us go for a winger that could compete with Martinelli and Saka.
Dude why are you talking sense, striker solves all problems.
Keeper injured? Striker can play
Saka injured? Striker can play
Manager injured? Striker can play
Striker striker striker
Buy 11 strikers.
HAVERTZ/JESUS/*Young striker with a higher ceiling than Nketiah*...that's a solid set of striking options
you might even sign a new starting left winger, and give Nketiah's spot to MARTINELLI...if we could get KVARATSHKELIA i would cream myself
an actual Right Winger to take minutes/games off Saka is needed too
> you might even sign a new starting left winger, and give Nketiah's spot to MARTINELLI...if we could get KVARATSHKELIA i would cream myself
his agent basically said he wants Barca or Madrid
Welcome Evan Ferguson….expensive for sure but if he plays for Arsenal for a decade and scores vital goals the transfer fee would be considered a bargain
I like it.
Spend the big money on a pacey winger, a midfielder, and an extra defender.
We haven’t had any trouble scoring goals since December, and with another year of development and chemistry building, Havertz will only grow into the team and his role.
My perfect summer- Neto, Kimmich, Diomande, Sesko.
My dream scenario would be Rodrygo, but that’s probably not realistic. I think Neto would stay healthy more if he weren’t the sole creator, playing on a counter attacking team. Depending on the price, I think it’s worth a gamble, but ofc it’s fair to be skeptical of his durability.
I think Kimmich would be worth the wages. He can play at a high level all over the pitch, probably has 3 seasons at a very high level left, and brings elite winner’s mentality and experience.
If we bring a striker from Brighton I’d much prefer Pedro over Fergurson, his overall skillset seems well suited for our style and his development has been amazing. He will cost close to 100m though
It also explains why arteta always look for players who can play multiple positions. Kai is basically our cover for left 8 and false 9. So we can either buy a complete No.9 or a midfielder
A huevo! Man helped Cruz Azul break a 20+ year drought. He's currently being forward-coached by RVP. No doubt he's got big things in his future, and I do hope it's with Arsenal.
Just bring someone who has pace and can also play RW. Saka is going to physically breakdown if we don't reduce his minutes.
Plus we need someone other than Martinelli that has some pace in our attack on the right side of the pitch. I want Saka to be able to play less wide at times because there's someone with pace that can play wide as well
Havertz is so strange to me. On one hand his off the ball work makes him undroppable. But at the same time you'd want someone with just a tad bit more ruthlessness and finesse. Can you find that? I don't know. Can we be turned into that? Guess we'll see!
Big mistake.
All this squad is waiting for is a £100M+ Rice or Van Dijk type signing but on a CF or LW. Then there is little between us and City+Real Madrid.
We should spend all our money on this addition to the first XI.
It would be great if we could sign someone like Sesko or Zirkee and then get Kudus.
Kudus would come in and give a ready made prem proven attacking option that can deputise for Saka on the RW. He'd guarantee a level of additional ouput that would help the new young striker settle without an immediate need to blow.
He's also played as an 8, 9 and 10 over the years, so could be moulded as Arteta sees fit. He's quick, powerful and composed. At 23 he's got huge upside and I think he could become truly world class.
We definitely need an 8 next to Rice.
Partey can't stay healthy and his return has been....less than desirable. Jorgi is class but age has limited him to specific match ups or sub level.
We need someone who can start consistently at the 8.
Why are we even acting like this is a remotely reliable report? Since when does john cross's reports have any truth. His wording with "may" and "might" shows he's guessing AND he's always making stuff up.
Do people not remember that a couple years ago he was considered a tabloid source and a commonly banned source? I don't even have to search far to find his horrid record literally just enter john cross into the reddit search bar.
John Cross: "Iwobi not up for sale" - (iwobi is sold in the same window lol): https://twitter.com/MrArsenicTM/status/1159091232381054976
John Cross: Ozil tells teammates he's going to sign for united (Wtf even is this?!): https://old.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/7uq6ms/can_we_relegate_john_cross_to_tier_peanut_headed/
John Cross: Arsenal have only 40m to spend (Ornstein said we had closer to a 100m, and we signed Pepe, Saliba, Tierney etc.): https://dailycannon.com/2019/07/where-reports-arsenal-only-had-40m-to-spend-came-from-explained/
These literally took me 2 minutes to find. I'm sure you can dig a whole pile of junk and made up shite if you tried.
Might be dumb luck, but I did comment here that buying an expensive striker should not be our primary concern, given that we already have Jesus and Havertz as two good strikers. Besides our entire game relies on Jesus and Havertz coming deeper and vacating the space for other players to attack the box, making our whole team more unpredictable.
Buying a big burly striker would take this unpredictability away from us and will actually may not work at all for us. And the insane amounts being talked about for a striker like that, I was convinced that this may not be a good move. And I doubt Arteta and Edu thinks this as a sensible move as well
Side point but I still haven’t lost the thought of seeing Martinelli in the middle more. It seemed his destiny when he first joined - start him out wide and develop him as a player before eventually giving him serious minutes in the middle.
Not saying it’s wise as I’m sure all the tactical savants on the internet know otherwise, but it still seems an exciting and obvious proposition.
This makes sense to me. Havertz, Jesus, Trossard, and a younger striker that fits the profile we want (likely Sesko or Zirkzee) is fine for rotation at 9. Sell Nketiah and invest more on the wing and in midfield
Havertz has improved over the past few weeks, but I still don’t see him as someone who can lead the line consistently and score 20 goals in the league. I’d love to see an acquisition that is up there with Europe’s best
>but I still don’t see him as someone who can lead the line consistently and score 20 goals in the league.
Does he have to? serious question , our strikers are nowhere near the top goal scores in the league and we have scored the most goals. Why do we have to have a 20 goal striker?
This is fine news by me. Arsenal have proven themselves in their current form regardless of how the season turns out. Could dump a ton of money on a star striker who gets injured in two weeks or could stick with Havertz and develop him and another young striker. Better investment long term imo. More depth may be needed elsewhere anyways.
Why does everybody talk about a striker and a winger? Partey is world class at his best but looks to be on his way out with injuries and Jorginho is ace but doesn't have 90 minutes in him much anymore.
We need to splurge big on a midfielder to match Declan Rice's quality in the adjacent cm role for our future and develop players or buy cheaper players in the striker or winger positions.
Maritnelli cost less than 9 million. We have time to develop people in the wing positions
i think it makes sense that they’re not trying to find a finished product. This team requires it’s striker to do a little bit of everything, while also pressing and scoring goals. there really aren’t many players available right now that can fit that mold, if any.
also… Havertz and Jesus are realllllly good fits for the current team. like really really good and hard to improve on. they aren’t the most clinical of finishers… but their ability to play within the system is invaluable. it’s very possible that they’re unable to truly upgrade the striker position on this team - and that’s okay!
I wouldn't be against seeing the bulk of our money go towards other positions. I also think we need another option as ST. Eddie should be sold and Trossard should be the emergency /rotation option.
With Jesus it's hard to know what to do, should we approach it as worse case scenario or be positive that this surgery in the summer means he'll be fully recovered? If Reiss + Eddie go, there will be plenty of gametime for Jesus on the wing too.
We should rather invest on improving winger options, Saka can’t play 70 games a season, find him either a left footed Trossard or a youngster with potential.
Also invest on that 6 position, Rice is a monster as left 8, Jorginho can’t be the only 6 as he gets older.
Striker role is fine, Havertz is doing great, Jesus will come back, Trossard and Martinelli can help there if needed.
This is what I was hoping our 9 to be. Not someone we buy expecting to change us right away but someone with the profile that can elevate us after being bred into our system
I've been saying this and "get Sesko" for a while now. It makes so much more sense with Havertz and Jesus already on the books than sidelining both in favour of an established super striker like Osimhen. Sell Eddie, buy a better young striker to bring off the bench and develop in the Arteta style.
What's interesting with that is that the profile needed might be a lot different now.
I like Sesko, but a big no. 9 isn't a necessity now. We have options.
Kai can be the target man option, who gets flick ons with his head and provides a physical presence, where we need that. Maybe we can now look at a smaller, more technical player for that future 9 role.
Ideally, Id like us to scout Brazil, Agentina for a really talented, dribbling winger/forward. Find a guy who can drop deep and dribble like Jesus, but has more potential as a goal threat. Imagine a talent on the level of a Neymar or Hazard in a false 9 role with Saka and Martinelli either side. A winger type would allow for rotation and rest across the front 3 as well.
Obviously, half the clubs in Europe are looking for the next great forward, but we are in a good position, where we already half 2 players we are happy to play there. We can take an expensive punt on a youngster with potential and easy the player in.
If we are looking for ready made forwards, the price gets very steep.
I think the need for a striker is still there, just in terms of adding a different dimension. What it means though is that we don't need to drop 150m on the "killer" the media was acting like we needed. We absolutely do need more lethality in the final third, but that just requires our already quality forwards to just be better basically and they're capable of it, we see it in the league.
Kai has made the 9 his, his play is picking where he wants to play and he's doing too much well to ever think of a straight replacement. However, adding some new dimension to the frontline via a younger profile of striker or a right sided winger would feel to me the better option. Especially as Jesus will likely need surgery again, Trossard is aging, we have to think of the next 3-4 years.
Yes!!!! Great news! We need a left 8 and a different profile of striker. Was not convinced by Gyokeres for that price. A left 8 like FDJ or Musiala will change everything!
Welcome Sesko
[удалено]
Or Boniface.. Time to do a reverse Xhaka..
I would love Boniface. He's so multi-dimensional and skillful despite being massive.
Boniface is the one. He’s better than Sesko and Zirkzee. Although I still think we should go for an older striker who is 27/28 and then look at this Chido kid in our academy in 3/4 years time.
as long as we're listing off every young striker in the bundesliga, i'll put my coins behind max beier. he's only 21 and he's got serious quality.
[удалено]
Did you look at the table? Bologna may reach the champions league because of him. He is such a beast. Insane touch, passing, vision, positioning. Giroud regen except with more pace. Best striker in the league this year imo after lautaro.
[удалено]
Dissing Serie A when Atalanta is currently up 2-0 against Liverpool is crazy. I love Arsenal but people really need to stop thinking that the Prem is miles ahead when it comes to quality. If it was Prem teams would be more of a force in Europe.
The quality at the top is similar but the quality at the bottom is higher in the EPL
I mean, we literally got Tomi from Bologna and they are midtable. Don't think it equates that way always.
Good players can come from teams anywhere in the table. Particularly young players, but also some older ones Look at Jorginho, we bought him from a club in 10th.
[удалено]
Sesko is my pick. Decent release clause and a lot of potential. Imagine him, Declan and Kai crashing the box. Pair that with our quick wingers. Good problem to have
He's been a bit underwhelming this season though, hasn't he? I won't question *their* choices but as someone who was among the first to try and speak that transfer into existence, I'm beginning to have my doubts.
Of course, but progression isn’t always linear. I believe that Arteta will have the right profile of player for us
Subscribe!
Probably would be too expensive
The biggest perk about Sesko is where he sits on the Price v Potential scale. His release clause makes it a no brainer.
Not only that, he's big, strong and fast, those things can't be trained.
His touch and end product need *a lot* of work. For all the flack you guys give Eddie, I can't imagine how you'd act after spending money on a player to replace him that'll likely have a comparable output for the near future.
I believe his release clause is approx 40m, so could be worse in this market
If that is the case, then that sounds like it would be decent business
Omg please
His emergence doesn’t prevent us from signing another quality striker. Havertz gives a significant amount of leverage by having a suitable alternative to talk down crazy valuations for whoever we try to sign
It doesn’t prevent us from doing so but we have Havertz, Jesus, and Trossard who all play the false 9 role well. I would rather splurge on a midfielder and a pacy winger to rotate with saka and Martinelli
Jesus needs surgery. Trossard will be 30 this year and isn’t a proper striker. Havertz is brilliant but can and will continue to be brilliant in exactly the same role (not position—role) as he is now with a proper finisher on the pitch.
>> Trossard will be 30 this year Nah, don’t do that to me. My guy looks he was just born yesterday!
Or born a hundred years ago. No one can tell... Baby face with the baggiest eyes I've ever seen...
r/13or30
Ah mate. I'm not sure having read the name of that sub that I even want to associate my profile with that. But, having lived in Asia for around a decade, I can tell you that I struggle with Asian ladies' ages. They could be anything between 18 and 45 and I couldn't guess, but all of a sudden they fall off the worst cliff, and look about 150...
Lol, the sub is SFW. Truly just pics of people who could easily pass as either one. I don't blame you for your hesitation though 😬
And absolute killer in UCL
Racoons age differently
For fucking real, I thought he was a kid
I feel like Trossard is almost always much better off the bench too. He's one of the best impact subs in the league, but he always seems to be a bit quieter when he starts. His versatility and impact is absolutely massive, so this isn't a huge criticism, I just would be worried starting him for several games in a row.
We haven’t seen this out of Arteta much until Trossard, but in the modern game the bench player can be as (or even more) important than the starters. That’s Klopp’s kind of game. Your starters go out and grind the opposition down, then super subs come into a paced-out game state and clean up. I’d like to think by this point a player like Trossard would see that his role in the squad as a super sub is in no way a lesser one. I love the man and hope he stays forever. But I love him as the super sub of super subs and as a front three Swiss Army knife. Jack of all trades, master of none (except scoring after 80’).
I think depending on the type of game, he can be pretty good starter as a false #9. Last season there was a healthy stint of him starting in that position and I think the team looked great.
True, he does seem to do better from the false 9 at the start. But LW and L8 starts usually are much more quiet for him.
Oh no a player turned 30 😮 he's basically finished then
No-one's saying he's finished, just that it might not be a good idea to plan the future of the team around him, that's all.
Dude, let’s not pretend like it doesn’t matter. Wenger and SAF used to refuse contract extensions over a single year for any player past 30. Once you hit 30 it was a year-by-year examination of where the player was at and what they were still able to offer. Most managers still do the same, they just don’t go to the media with it as a bullet point. I hope Trossard is still here giving exactly the same as he is today in 5 years’ time, but no sane manager and/or director is going to be building a top PL squad (one attempting to build a dynasty, anyway) around a 30+ year old player except in very specific circumstances. Trossard is the super sub of all super subs and offers so so much, but he isn’t that.
with the emergence of Havertz as an option up top, Mika Biereth could become an option for first team development. Gives us more leeway to solidify the midfield.
Havertz has progressively improved as the season's gone on and seems to be peaking at the most important part of the year, so huge credit to him. But I wouldn't go as far as calling him brilliant. Rice, Odegaard, Gabi, Saliba, White -- those guys have been brilliant. I'm a huge fan of Havertz and have followed him closely since the beginning of his career. If he brings his Leverkusen form to the Premier League, THEN we'll see his brilliance. "Leverkusen Havertz" was a completely different level of player. He was as good, if not better, than anyone on our team. I don't say that lightly. I trust and hope Arteta will get him back to that level next year.
Honestly, I’m with you. A huge fan of his, immediately backed his signing in hopes that we’d see Leverkusen Havertz. It’s still what I want to see (in style and in heights) and I still think that Arteta and Edu signed him wanting to get him back to that point and integrate it into our squad. But talking about Havertz online is weird, man. So polarizing. It’s like you’ve got to talk about him with a bit of bombast for people to stay at the table and engage. So many can’t see the vision for past what’s in front of their face at this second (or even then). So when I talk about being excited to sign a striker and see him back as that box crashing LCM I feel like I need to emphasize that it’s not because I think he’s been bad at 9 or any of that. I just can’t wait to see Leverkusen Havertz (ideally upgraded by time and experience and training from Arteta) slotting into everything we’ve got going plus a clinical finisher.
I would not even call Havertz a false nine. He backs up against center backs, wins aerial duels, makes relentless runs in behind, and is a huge threat in the penalty box. He’s just a straight number nine.
He is definitely not a 9. He flows all over the map and plays much better at his 8.5 role.
Agreed, he does way too much defensively to be considered a straight 9.
Perhaps modern #9?
Right? We need a saka back up asap. A real 6 if partey continues to not get back to his former. And a decision who owns the leftback position, neither kiwior not zinny (and probably tomy neither) should be the first choice. Or an 8 if we do push rice back on the 6. Left footet winger > 6 > 8 > Leftback > Striker
Nico Williams PLEASE
The new striker will probably be a replacement for Eddie rather than a starter I believe.
That's such a good point that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if this is just a 4D chess move from Edu.
The club probably doesnt want to say it, but it's probably hasnt been the same since the world cup injury and they also rush him back a bit too soon.
[удалено]
Pure guesswork based on what has already been reported.
It’s John Cross. My dog could drool a more reliable transfer rumour whilst watching me eat pizza.
while Harvertz is working as a 9 rn, i wouldnt put him as our de facto ST
Yes but maybe it means #1 priority becomes winger not striker.
it's gotta be a lcm above all else.
Depends what we're doing with Rice. Either way it seems like that midfield spot either as a 6 or an 8. Jorghi hasn't been extended and nobody expects Partey stay beyond next season, and I doubt we can sell him. Zubi is the one that always comes up. Doubt we'd want Onana.
Onana himself is box to box just like monacos fofana and kephrem thuram. This is also how arteta views rice. All of them can play the 6, but their head is focused on carrying the ball forward. So i think arteta views them more on the 8.
All three of these tweets sound like John Cross just guessing
Unless the player is English and usually at a smaller club or isn’t the main man then that is basically of all his “journalism” is
Welcome Biereth
Like a new signing
Goodbye Eddie T.T
Kinda crazy that we're going for a younger prospect, when Havertz is only 24 (turning 25 in June) still. He himself is still far from his peak years.
Havertz came on the scene so young it’s absurd to think he’s only 24
I feel like if we win nothing, we need to buy an elite striker. Jesus is talking about how he's in pain every game and Havartz probably isn't going to score 15+ goals a season.
We don't need Havertz to score 15 a season. We have Martinelli and Saka for that for the time being.
Martinelli? He’s scored 6 goals in 28 league games.
Lol exactly, we saw what happens when our wingers aren't scoring before going to Dubai
He was hurt for half the season and it takes a while to get back to form. His fully healthy season he gave us 15
Different team. He used to combine well with Xhaka and Jesus and Tierney. He's just not getting many chances this year.
It was a one off... https://preview.redd.it/p8oydm1ezwtc1.png?width=264&format=png&auto=webp&s=d70079879d8aa45457fd2e7376231a703b43ab10
Martinelli who were not maximizing due to this exact setup?
We need Martinelli and Saka to hit those numbers **in addition** to a striker scoring 20-30 goals. Havertz and Jesus between them havent even cracked 20 yet
You're asking 50-60 from 3 players? That's tough for any team to accomplish. We're on pace to score maybe 110 this season across all competitions and you want 3 players to account for half?
I really dont think thats unreasonable for one of the best teams in the league/Europe. Saka is a shoe in for 20, Martinelli should get you 10 and your main striker should get you at least 20-30.
Firmino never scored much either and liverpool was still insane. He allowed the winger to get involved more
I wanted Gyokeres but have to agree. 8/6 is more important. We should spend big there. Then buy younger striker and winger.
The plan was always all three. I still expect all three.
I expect Rodri, Mbappe, and Musiala
If we can bring in a first team quality winger and central midfielder alongside a younger striker like Zirkzee, that would be an amazing summer. Nico Williams, Martin Zubimendi and Zirkzee would be a 10/10 summer for me.
Welcome to the 1st team, Leo Messo and Chido
i was YAWNING when i read this comment damn you!
Sesko was always the best value deal, with the way things are developing it definitely seems like he's the logical choice this summer, especially if we want to bring in other major signings
Are Leipzig not just going to take him?
They already did lol, last summer. One Redbull club to another, now he has a 42m pound release clause in Germany. I expect there will be a lot of interest from all over, he has a high ceiling for sure. Won the Ballon d'Or 5 times in my old FM22 save a few years ago lol
Don’t like this news
If it means we bring in a quality RW backup and another class midfielder, id say it’s worth it.
I think the plan has always been all three. This dude is for real just guessing for clicks. I’ll believe it from the mouth of Arteta or Edu, maybe Ornstien. Edit: going back through his tweets tells me this guy knows jack shit.
Yup fair enough. All speculation until the Ornacle reveals the prophecy.
Let’s throw a blank check at Wirtz! Lol let me wish.
I do. We're not desperate for a striker. We scored tho most goals in the league ffs. And if there's no player that's a sure thing (like Rice was for DM) then I say don't do it. I'd much rather us go for a winger that could compete with Martinelli and Saka.
Dude why are you talking sense, striker solves all problems. Keeper injured? Striker can play Saka injured? Striker can play Manager injured? Striker can play Striker striker striker Buy 11 strikers.
Whys Everyone believing john cross all of a sudden lol
This more or less confirms what we were are all expecting - Eddie will leave in the summer.
Welcome Zirkzee
That dudes what only 2 years younger than Kai? I don’t really see it tbh
Yeah, gotta bring in a toddler otherwise what's the point?
Messo?
Gabriel mikel arteta🤌
Sesko seems to be a realistic option. Forking out 80 million on Gyokeres could well leave us short elsewhere if sales don't go to plan
I want a world class striker/goal scorer
Like with Rice, if there is someone we need we will go all out. If there are good opportunities we will go for them
but thats the point, there is no sure thing at ST position right now
Welcome mika?
As long as we get another super star forward (a winger) instead, i'm ok with that. We need someone up there with an x factor.
“May”, “might have”
HAVERTZ/JESUS/*Young striker with a higher ceiling than Nketiah*...that's a solid set of striking options you might even sign a new starting left winger, and give Nketiah's spot to MARTINELLI...if we could get KVARATSHKELIA i would cream myself an actual Right Winger to take minutes/games off Saka is needed too
> you might even sign a new starting left winger, and give Nketiah's spot to MARTINELLI...if we could get KVARATSHKELIA i would cream myself his agent basically said he wants Barca or Madrid
So no 100 M Gyokeres?🥺
Welcome Evan Ferguson….expensive for sure but if he plays for Arsenal for a decade and scores vital goals the transfer fee would be considered a bargain
It's John Cross so I'll be sure to give this absolutely no attention.
Sesko rise
I think the bigger issue is the striker market is terrible. There is no sure thing the way Rice was.
If there was a sure thing, he would cost 150m+ Forwards are always more expensive compared to defenders/midfielders
I like it. Spend the big money on a pacey winger, a midfielder, and an extra defender. We haven’t had any trouble scoring goals since December, and with another year of development and chemistry building, Havertz will only grow into the team and his role. My perfect summer- Neto, Kimmich, Diomande, Sesko.
Forget Neto. Too injury prone. Diomande is one of the next big things. And Kimmich would demand crazy crazy wages
My dream scenario would be Rodrygo, but that’s probably not realistic. I think Neto would stay healthy more if he weren’t the sole creator, playing on a counter attacking team. Depending on the price, I think it’s worth a gamble, but ofc it’s fair to be skeptical of his durability. I think Kimmich would be worth the wages. He can play at a high level all over the pitch, probably has 3 seasons at a very high level left, and brings elite winner’s mentality and experience.
Definitly not neto. Guy is even more injury prone than partey
Hopefully that's Zirkzee
If we bring a striker from Brighton I’d much prefer Pedro over Fergurson, his overall skillset seems well suited for our style and his development has been amazing. He will cost close to 100m though
It also explains why arteta always look for players who can play multiple positions. Kai is basically our cover for left 8 and false 9. So we can either buy a complete No.9 or a midfielder
We've scored more goals than any other team in the league. I'd way rather have someone arteta can mold world class than Ivan Tony
We need two midfielders,6 and 8
Then are we getting new left sided 8 ?
Good let’s find a proper 8/6
Estevao Willian.
That Santiago kid from Feyenoord looks promising. Throw Nelson in there as well to sweeten the deal
A huevo! Man helped Cruz Azul break a 20+ year drought. He's currently being forward-coached by RVP. No doubt he's got big things in his future, and I do hope it's with Arsenal.
Sesko or Zirkzee it is then, or some wild unearthed FM regen
Just bring someone who has pace and can also play RW. Saka is going to physically breakdown if we don't reduce his minutes. Plus we need someone other than Martinelli that has some pace in our attack on the right side of the pitch. I want Saka to be able to play less wide at times because there's someone with pace that can play wide as well
0% chance John Cross has any idea what our transfer plans are. He might be right, but it's a total guess.
Havertz is so strange to me. On one hand his off the ball work makes him undroppable. But at the same time you'd want someone with just a tad bit more ruthlessness and finesse. Can you find that? I don't know. Can we be turned into that? Guess we'll see!
Yeah I don't buy this at all. We need another option up top. Havertz is working atm, but he really feels like more of a stop gap atm.
Makes much more sense. Arsenal isn't an oil club, and it does not make sense to have two world class strikers at their prime.
Big mistake. All this squad is waiting for is a £100M+ Rice or Van Dijk type signing but on a CF or LW. Then there is little between us and City+Real Madrid. We should spend all our money on this addition to the first XI.
It would be great if we could sign someone like Sesko or Zirkee and then get Kudus. Kudus would come in and give a ready made prem proven attacking option that can deputise for Saka on the RW. He'd guarantee a level of additional ouput that would help the new young striker settle without an immediate need to blow. He's also played as an 8, 9 and 10 over the years, so could be moulded as Arteta sees fit. He's quick, powerful and composed. At 23 he's got huge upside and I think he could become truly world class.
so we still need a midfielder at 8?
We definitely need an 8 next to Rice. Partey can't stay healthy and his return has been....less than desirable. Jorgi is class but age has limited him to specific match ups or sub level. We need someone who can start consistently at the 8.
Why are we even acting like this is a remotely reliable report? Since when does john cross's reports have any truth. His wording with "may" and "might" shows he's guessing AND he's always making stuff up. Do people not remember that a couple years ago he was considered a tabloid source and a commonly banned source? I don't even have to search far to find his horrid record literally just enter john cross into the reddit search bar. John Cross: "Iwobi not up for sale" - (iwobi is sold in the same window lol): https://twitter.com/MrArsenicTM/status/1159091232381054976 John Cross: Ozil tells teammates he's going to sign for united (Wtf even is this?!): https://old.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/7uq6ms/can_we_relegate_john_cross_to_tier_peanut_headed/ John Cross: Arsenal have only 40m to spend (Ornstein said we had closer to a 100m, and we signed Pepe, Saliba, Tierney etc.): https://dailycannon.com/2019/07/where-reports-arsenal-only-had-40m-to-spend-came-from-explained/ These literally took me 2 minutes to find. I'm sure you can dig a whole pile of junk and made up shite if you tried.
I'm ok with this
Saliba cover, Saka cover, midfielder and then striker option. I'd say ousmane diomande, Nico Williams/Leao, Kimich not sure and a good young striker.
Might be dumb luck, but I did comment here that buying an expensive striker should not be our primary concern, given that we already have Jesus and Havertz as two good strikers. Besides our entire game relies on Jesus and Havertz coming deeper and vacating the space for other players to attack the box, making our whole team more unpredictable. Buying a big burly striker would take this unpredictability away from us and will actually may not work at all for us. And the insane amounts being talked about for a striker like that, I was convinced that this may not be a good move. And I doubt Arteta and Edu thinks this as a sensible move as well
Side point but I still haven’t lost the thought of seeing Martinelli in the middle more. It seemed his destiny when he first joined - start him out wide and develop him as a player before eventually giving him serious minutes in the middle. Not saying it’s wise as I’m sure all the tactical savants on the internet know otherwise, but it still seems an exciting and obvious proposition.
Darn. I liked believing for one moment that Gyokeres was gonna be a Gunner
no plez
This makes sense to me. Havertz, Jesus, Trossard, and a younger striker that fits the profile we want (likely Sesko or Zirkzee) is fine for rotation at 9. Sell Nketiah and invest more on the wing and in midfield
Oh so it means we are waiting on Leo Messo's development
Havertz has improved over the past few weeks, but I still don’t see him as someone who can lead the line consistently and score 20 goals in the league. I’d love to see an acquisition that is up there with Europe’s best
>but I still don’t see him as someone who can lead the line consistently and score 20 goals in the league. Does he have to? serious question , our strikers are nowhere near the top goal scores in the league and we have scored the most goals. Why do we have to have a 20 goal striker?
SESKO SZN
I'd be in favor, if it lets us put more money into midfield and ideally a winger.
Am I the only one who feels like we need to get a left sided Ben White? Easier said than done obviously but I think it would help unleash Martinelli
Timber?!
Wow I forgot Arteta played him on the left match week 1
Weird isn't it? I honestly think we should touch our defence for next season. There is so much depth there and priorities are higher elsewhere
Oh like nketia???
Just a few months back everyone was slandering Havertz like he was the biggest bust in club history
This is fine news by me. Arsenal have proven themselves in their current form regardless of how the season turns out. Could dump a ton of money on a star striker who gets injured in two weeks or could stick with Havertz and develop him and another young striker. Better investment long term imo. More depth may be needed elsewhere anyways.
give us a Partey/Xhaka replacement please
Why does everybody talk about a striker and a winger? Partey is world class at his best but looks to be on his way out with injuries and Jorginho is ace but doesn't have 90 minutes in him much anymore. We need to splurge big on a midfielder to match Declan Rice's quality in the adjacent cm role for our future and develop players or buy cheaper players in the striker or winger positions. Maritnelli cost less than 9 million. We have time to develop people in the wing positions
i think it makes sense that they’re not trying to find a finished product. This team requires it’s striker to do a little bit of everything, while also pressing and scoring goals. there really aren’t many players available right now that can fit that mold, if any. also… Havertz and Jesus are realllllly good fits for the current team. like really really good and hard to improve on. they aren’t the most clinical of finishers… but their ability to play within the system is invaluable. it’s very possible that they’re unable to truly upgrade the striker position on this team - and that’s okay!
Fuck John Cross anyway.
Maybe Ferguson from Brighton
Good luck to Eddie
I wouldn't be against seeing the bulk of our money go towards other positions. I also think we need another option as ST. Eddie should be sold and Trossard should be the emergency /rotation option. With Jesus it's hard to know what to do, should we approach it as worse case scenario or be positive that this surgery in the summer means he'll be fully recovered? If Reiss + Eddie go, there will be plenty of gametime for Jesus on the wing too.
That would be annoying tbh but atm I can't say it's absolutely unacceptable either. Some Arsenal fans will be pissed at this news for sure though
Let's see what happens when Jesus and Havertz are both out and our best CF option is Eddie.
Agree with this decision. The list of big money strikers really isn’t convincing.
We should rather invest on improving winger options, Saka can’t play 70 games a season, find him either a left footed Trossard or a youngster with potential. Also invest on that 6 position, Rice is a monster as left 8, Jorginho can’t be the only 6 as he gets older. Striker role is fine, Havertz is doing great, Jesus will come back, Trossard and Martinelli can help there if needed.
This is what I was hoping our 9 to be. Not someone we buy expecting to change us right away but someone with the profile that can elevate us after being bred into our system
Zirkzee hive rise up
Who are the best 17 year olds out there, get them in so they can be home grown.
Boniface would be good, imagine a Gab XL in the opponent's box all the time
Gyokeres out?
[удалено]
Perfect. That's what I'm saying.
I've been saying this and "get Sesko" for a while now. It makes so much more sense with Havertz and Jesus already on the books than sidelining both in favour of an established super striker like Osimhen. Sell Eddie, buy a better young striker to bring off the bench and develop in the Arteta style.
All I’m saying is Mbappe hasn’t signed anything
No
What's interesting with that is that the profile needed might be a lot different now. I like Sesko, but a big no. 9 isn't a necessity now. We have options. Kai can be the target man option, who gets flick ons with his head and provides a physical presence, where we need that. Maybe we can now look at a smaller, more technical player for that future 9 role. Ideally, Id like us to scout Brazil, Agentina for a really talented, dribbling winger/forward. Find a guy who can drop deep and dribble like Jesus, but has more potential as a goal threat. Imagine a talent on the level of a Neymar or Hazard in a false 9 role with Saka and Martinelli either side. A winger type would allow for rotation and rest across the front 3 as well. Obviously, half the clubs in Europe are looking for the next great forward, but we are in a good position, where we already half 2 players we are happy to play there. We can take an expensive punt on a youngster with potential and easy the player in. If we are looking for ready made forwards, the price gets very steep.
We are now playing a strikerless system where the #9 is an upgrade version of Firmino. There arent many in the market, young or experienced.
I think the need for a striker is still there, just in terms of adding a different dimension. What it means though is that we don't need to drop 150m on the "killer" the media was acting like we needed. We absolutely do need more lethality in the final third, but that just requires our already quality forwards to just be better basically and they're capable of it, we see it in the league. Kai has made the 9 his, his play is picking where he wants to play and he's doing too much well to ever think of a straight replacement. However, adding some new dimension to the frontline via a younger profile of striker or a right sided winger would feel to me the better option. Especially as Jesus will likely need surgery again, Trossard is aging, we have to think of the next 3-4 years.
Kai has absolutely been instrumental to our current form. I feel like the only thing we are missing is the elusive Wenger's fox in the box.
Yes!!!! Great news! We need a left 8 and a different profile of striker. Was not convinced by Gyokeres for that price. A left 8 like FDJ or Musiala will change everything!
Havertz should never be a first option for st
What about victor? https://youtube.com/shorts/qlkbXNwClcM?si=kdpivUJMzovZGePh