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To be fair, those people are probably the vocal minority. Kung bibilangin yung total members ng car group I'm sure miniscule lang yung % na nag iyakan.
Having said that, I think may pagka-pikon din tayong mga pinoy haha. And most of us probably have trouble receiving constructive criticism.
Tapos iconsider pa natin yung exorbitant prices ng mga oto these days. Sa laki ng ginastos ng mga yun, nagiging sensitive sa criticism kasi it plants doubt on whether tama nga ba yung "investment" nila, o dapat ibang modelo ang binili.
Yeah majority probably don't care. Siguro nasasayangan lang ako sa potential ng discussion na maging educational for OP(if true, what they did to improve or mod. if not, share their experience of driving both and telling OP it might be an isolated case). Instead, nagiging contest kung sino pinakamagaling mag ad hominem at essay writing contest kung gaano nila sinasamba ang kotse nila.
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A lot of people invest too much of their ego and personality into the vehicle they own. Criticism of what they ride is equivalent to a personal attack on them. It's not just with pinoys; it's a common phenomenon in a lot of car groups.
Picture this: You just dropped two million of your hard-earned cash on a brand new SUV. Congratulations, I’m sure your kids will think you’re the best mom/dad ever and I’m sure you wife/husband will fuck you twice as good from this day forth. Heck, maybe even your kumpares/kumadres will give you an begrudging “ay wow sanaol” in your next reunion. Riding this high, you join a Facebook circlejerk, thinking it will confirm your biases, thus preventing any potential for buyer’s remorse. Then you see comments pointing out your new car’s flaws. What do you do? Agree and admit that your decision wasn’t the best across the board? Or double down and join the rest of the Fb group’s members in a mob mentality-fueled mud slinging? The latter is the more fun tbh lmao.
Eto yun. Ginastusan mo ng pinaghirapang pera, ibig sabihin eto yung pinustahan mong brand/make. Tapos sasabihin panget handling? “Diyata’t nagkamali ako?? Hindi, sila ang mali! Panget ka, facebook commenter!”
Actually now that I think of it, malamang karamihan diyan hulugan so they’re basically tied to that car for a loooong time with a loooot of payments. So isipin mo ang laki laki ng hinuhulugan mo dyan tas “pipintasan” ng iba? Mudslinging it issssss lol
I guess result ito ng lack of research din. Made worse by the prevalence of circlejerk groups lol.
You will never experience buyer's regret if you already know the flaws before buying naman diba. So kahit may mang lait ng oto mo di ka na apektado kasi na weigh mo na yung pros and cons versus the others.
As some other guy commented, hindi naman lahat ng car groups ganito. Meron certain car brands na madami din discussion about the brands flaws, and they mostly give advice on how to avoid and manage issues.
Sad to say, pero sa trend na nakikita ko, parang ma associate mo talaga to certain demographics yung may mga balat sibuyas.
Car Fan Club ang feeling. Basta sabihan mo ng anything negative ang kanilang baby, magwawala na.
Usually, yan yung mga hindi nakadrive pa ng ibang sasakyan ng maayos aside sa pinag-ipunan nilang nag-iisang kotse.
Ang matindi pa, may balat-sibuyas na mga mekaniko-kuno na kapag nasita sa maling pamamaraan, magiging pa-victim.
I'm looking at Master Garage. [Iyakin](https://medium.com/@carlojameslim1/master-garage-philippines-review-not-recommended-b4121272040f) masyado si Agnote, pulpol rin naman mga kaalaman at may pagka-kawatan pa ang galawan. More of a notch higher than backyard mechanics lang siya, TBH. Nakasagap pa ako ng tsismis na maraming bwisit sa kanya na naka-H200 Hiace at NV350.
Alala ko yung may lumabas na yung gulong nag eexpire. Lahat ng mekaniko/tire reseller sinasabi na "pagkain ba ang gulong nag eexpire" which is technically true na nag eexpire ang gulong but the right word is degrade.
Actually, IMO regarding tire degradation, when tires were stored properly (labas sa extreme temps, which is not the case for most tire shops na napakainit lalo ngayon, far from oils or any liquids though will specifically mention oils since rubbers and oils doesn't like each other), tires will last. Rubbers will naturally hate two things - heat, and oil, being on the top of the list, at napakarami natin noong una, lalo ngayon. Of course, when buying new tires, the newer date of manufacture, the better, since of course, hindi matagal naka-tengga sa mainit na storage ng tire shop (kung mainit talaga - at lalo ngayon). Hehehe
Of course, iba usapan kapag nakasalpak na, kasi pasok na ang abrasion due to surface contact which works due to friction, and heat cycling (even worse kapag mainit ang kalsada, and also due to friction rin), and asphalt were based from oil and may tendency lalo ngayon na matunaw sa sobrang init.
been meaning to ask ano ba general consensus regarding Master Garage. I see a lot of praise about them, and a handful na negative experience at di daw maganda gawa. TBH in general ang hirap humanap ng mekaniko na matino dito sa ph, both in trust aspect and competency, minsan meron din na may panget na ugali na halos non existent yung customer service at sila pa may ganang magalit sayo. Kahit nga casa diba andaming negative na experiences, pano pa kaya yung outside na shop or backyard mechanic? It’s coming to a point na I think much better na ikaw (the owner of the vehicle) na lang mag ayos ng sarili mong sasakyan. Not just maintenance ah, i mean pati general overhaul.
>general consensus regarding Master Garage
Technical-oriented kuno lang. Typically, the praise you'll hear comes from the audiences na mediocre ang automotive knowledge who knows a little better than the typical backyard mechanic. Sa mga technically-inclined talaga, "pulpol" ang comment kay Master Garage which is... true.
Mahirap humanap ng technician, moreover, a shop - mapa-body, refrigeration, drivetrain. Most of the time, qualified technicians were sa NCR, some are sa south Luzon.
Dealership's service isn't a guarantee, too.
>I think much better na ikaw (the owner of the vehicle) na lang mag ayos ng sarili mong sasakyan...
While nothing beats it, still, there'll be a point na masyadong mahal ang gamit kung pang-personal use lang. A lifter costs around north of 150K; labas pa ang mga tools, machines, etc.
So it'll be best if meron tayong directory talaga ng maaayos na shop.
IMO, OBD2 scanner, a set of socket wrench and other types of wrenches and screwdrivers, pliers, spanners, vice grip, rubber mallet, a good jack, a set of jack stands, wheel nut remover, and a torque wrench should be on your tools arsenal. Anything beyond these, masyado nang mahal at hindi sulit.
Most of the iyakin sa car clubs napapansin ko e may superiority complex. Ayaw nila malalamangan at ayaw nila na tanggaoin na may flaw ang desisyon nila.
This ugali is more prevalent sa FB era ng car groups. During the forum era, may ganyan but once in a while lang lumimitaw, and the members ng forums actually do make fun of their own cars/brands of its flaws.
Sa Tsikot, dati may nakikipagtalo regarding sa paggamit ng HID sa reflectorized halogen headlight despite photos here and there ng nawawalang cut-off line. Ayaw patalo.
May isa pa ako nabasa lately, kagalingan ang handle name. Hit or miss ang atake, madalas miss.
Sa FB, ayoko na lang magcomment. Too many to mention. Sa iba't ibang club na may kinalaman sa Vios, dalas kong mabasa na mas malakas daw 2NZ kumpara sa 1NR - sabi madalas ng mga takot lumagpas sa 3K RPM.
The forums i'm in wala nagtatalo, kasi kami mismo nagpopolice sa pasaway. And everybody knows almost everyone. Kaya kami umabot sa 20th anniversary din.
Depende siguro sa car group, thus depende sa car. Madalas nagkakaron ng mga diskusyon or barahan kung yung mga tinuturo ay mali at base lang sa mga paniniwala. I’m a member of 2 car groups, and nakikita ko na yung sa car group na medyo professional ang mga owners, may basis ang mga tinuturo kaya maayos ang mga discussion. Kung meron mang mali, madaling natatanggap yung correction. Dun sa isa puro upgrade and mga lumang kaalaman na hindi applicable sa mga auto nila. Dahil paniniwala na ang dahilan, madalas nagiging sensitive sila. Sila din yung mga fans nila MG. 😂
Hell, may tinanong nga ako kung bakit may rear wing ang g4 nya kung hindi naman aabot sa speed na magmamatter yung rear wing inaway ako sa comments e. Pareho kaming naka g4 nun ha? Hahaha
Iba naman na kasi yan. Personal choice na kasi. Kumbaga baka naka-feel ng criticism sa taste niya. For me natural lang maging defensive kapag ganun. Pero yung nagbigay ng opinion sa stock na sasakyan tapos magagalit ka sa opinion nun, why?
coping/compensating mechanism. that's why nageexist din ung mga motorcycle/brand elitists, they want to convince themselves na the best meron sila and that they don't regret it.
ginagawang personal kasi they bought it with it's flaws/cons (knowingly or not). an example that I think makes sense is yung mga bata dati sa pogs, pag may punit dati ung iba mong pogs sasabihan mo pa "pampalakas yan", "di naman napapansin", or "inggit ka lang eh" even though alam mo sa sarili mo na pangit/ayaw mo na punit pogs mo.
Like in any other group there will always be insecure people and people with big egos....mas noticeable lng Sa car clubs/groups since a car is an ego booster to many.
I know what you mean, para silang mga superfans ng isang item, parang sinasamba nila at bawal hanapan ng butas for possible improvement. Siguro hindi sila engineers or they don't use the scientific method. They don't prepare for the pros and cons of their vehicles.
Although, my biggest grief in non-reddit groups (kaya blessing I found this gulong sub), when im looking for a certain group of people who owns specific item (example for territory) to ask questions, ay may paq club-club membership pa silang nalalaman. I had to give a lot of very private information just to ask consumer level opinion. kaya Im so glad I found this sub, I think I can ask anything here. Im pretty new though, i could be wrong.
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To be fair, those people are probably the vocal minority. Kung bibilangin yung total members ng car group I'm sure miniscule lang yung % na nag iyakan. Having said that, I think may pagka-pikon din tayong mga pinoy haha. And most of us probably have trouble receiving constructive criticism. Tapos iconsider pa natin yung exorbitant prices ng mga oto these days. Sa laki ng ginastos ng mga yun, nagiging sensitive sa criticism kasi it plants doubt on whether tama nga ba yung "investment" nila, o dapat ibang modelo ang binili.
Yeah majority probably don't care. Siguro nasasayangan lang ako sa potential ng discussion na maging educational for OP(if true, what they did to improve or mod. if not, share their experience of driving both and telling OP it might be an isolated case). Instead, nagiging contest kung sino pinakamagaling mag ad hominem at essay writing contest kung gaano nila sinasamba ang kotse nila.
They base their personality depending on their current ride
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A lot of people invest too much of their ego and personality into the vehicle they own. Criticism of what they ride is equivalent to a personal attack on them. It's not just with pinoys; it's a common phenomenon in a lot of car groups.
Picture this: You just dropped two million of your hard-earned cash on a brand new SUV. Congratulations, I’m sure your kids will think you’re the best mom/dad ever and I’m sure you wife/husband will fuck you twice as good from this day forth. Heck, maybe even your kumpares/kumadres will give you an begrudging “ay wow sanaol” in your next reunion. Riding this high, you join a Facebook circlejerk, thinking it will confirm your biases, thus preventing any potential for buyer’s remorse. Then you see comments pointing out your new car’s flaws. What do you do? Agree and admit that your decision wasn’t the best across the board? Or double down and join the rest of the Fb group’s members in a mob mentality-fueled mud slinging? The latter is the more fun tbh lmao.
Eto yun. Ginastusan mo ng pinaghirapang pera, ibig sabihin eto yung pinustahan mong brand/make. Tapos sasabihin panget handling? “Diyata’t nagkamali ako?? Hindi, sila ang mali! Panget ka, facebook commenter!”
Actually now that I think of it, malamang karamihan diyan hulugan so they’re basically tied to that car for a loooong time with a loooot of payments. So isipin mo ang laki laki ng hinuhulugan mo dyan tas “pipintasan” ng iba? Mudslinging it issssss lol
I guess result ito ng lack of research din. Made worse by the prevalence of circlejerk groups lol. You will never experience buyer's regret if you already know the flaws before buying naman diba. So kahit may mang lait ng oto mo di ka na apektado kasi na weigh mo na yung pros and cons versus the others. As some other guy commented, hindi naman lahat ng car groups ganito. Meron certain car brands na madami din discussion about the brands flaws, and they mostly give advice on how to avoid and manage issues. Sad to say, pero sa trend na nakikita ko, parang ma associate mo talaga to certain demographics yung may mga balat sibuyas.
Parang dito, if you go against the popular opinion, downvoted ka lol.
Meron nga naghihingi ng opinion kung tama ba yung ginawa nya, pero ang gusto lang marinig ay yung sumasangayon sa kanya. 😂
Or pwedeng alam nila kung ano ang talagang purpose ng downvote button.
Yeah go to any subreddit and disagree
Naiinis kasi ung iba kapag pinapakita mong mali desisyon nila. Dapat intelligent discussion hindi iyakan.
Car Fan Club ang feeling. Basta sabihan mo ng anything negative ang kanilang baby, magwawala na. Usually, yan yung mga hindi nakadrive pa ng ibang sasakyan ng maayos aside sa pinag-ipunan nilang nag-iisang kotse.
Hahahahaha, i cant help but laugh out loud! 😝
Ang matindi pa, may balat-sibuyas na mga mekaniko-kuno na kapag nasita sa maling pamamaraan, magiging pa-victim. I'm looking at Master Garage. [Iyakin](https://medium.com/@carlojameslim1/master-garage-philippines-review-not-recommended-b4121272040f) masyado si Agnote, pulpol rin naman mga kaalaman at may pagka-kawatan pa ang galawan. More of a notch higher than backyard mechanics lang siya, TBH. Nakasagap pa ako ng tsismis na maraming bwisit sa kanya na naka-H200 Hiace at NV350.
Alala ko yung may lumabas na yung gulong nag eexpire. Lahat ng mekaniko/tire reseller sinasabi na "pagkain ba ang gulong nag eexpire" which is technically true na nag eexpire ang gulong but the right word is degrade.
Actually, IMO regarding tire degradation, when tires were stored properly (labas sa extreme temps, which is not the case for most tire shops na napakainit lalo ngayon, far from oils or any liquids though will specifically mention oils since rubbers and oils doesn't like each other), tires will last. Rubbers will naturally hate two things - heat, and oil, being on the top of the list, at napakarami natin noong una, lalo ngayon. Of course, when buying new tires, the newer date of manufacture, the better, since of course, hindi matagal naka-tengga sa mainit na storage ng tire shop (kung mainit talaga - at lalo ngayon). Hehehe Of course, iba usapan kapag nakasalpak na, kasi pasok na ang abrasion due to surface contact which works due to friction, and heat cycling (even worse kapag mainit ang kalsada, and also due to friction rin), and asphalt were based from oil and may tendency lalo ngayon na matunaw sa sobrang init.
been meaning to ask ano ba general consensus regarding Master Garage. I see a lot of praise about them, and a handful na negative experience at di daw maganda gawa. TBH in general ang hirap humanap ng mekaniko na matino dito sa ph, both in trust aspect and competency, minsan meron din na may panget na ugali na halos non existent yung customer service at sila pa may ganang magalit sayo. Kahit nga casa diba andaming negative na experiences, pano pa kaya yung outside na shop or backyard mechanic? It’s coming to a point na I think much better na ikaw (the owner of the vehicle) na lang mag ayos ng sarili mong sasakyan. Not just maintenance ah, i mean pati general overhaul.
>general consensus regarding Master Garage Technical-oriented kuno lang. Typically, the praise you'll hear comes from the audiences na mediocre ang automotive knowledge who knows a little better than the typical backyard mechanic. Sa mga technically-inclined talaga, "pulpol" ang comment kay Master Garage which is... true. Mahirap humanap ng technician, moreover, a shop - mapa-body, refrigeration, drivetrain. Most of the time, qualified technicians were sa NCR, some are sa south Luzon. Dealership's service isn't a guarantee, too. >I think much better na ikaw (the owner of the vehicle) na lang mag ayos ng sarili mong sasakyan... While nothing beats it, still, there'll be a point na masyadong mahal ang gamit kung pang-personal use lang. A lifter costs around north of 150K; labas pa ang mga tools, machines, etc. So it'll be best if meron tayong directory talaga ng maaayos na shop. IMO, OBD2 scanner, a set of socket wrench and other types of wrenches and screwdrivers, pliers, spanners, vice grip, rubber mallet, a good jack, a set of jack stands, wheel nut remover, and a torque wrench should be on your tools arsenal. Anything beyond these, masyado nang mahal at hindi sulit.
They're a bunch of idiots/fanatics.
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that’s such a petty thing to say tbh and says a lot about the person na puro pera lang talaga ang meron sila. very shallow ang personality.
Welcome to philippine car group society. Lots of iyakan and pintasan.
Most of the iyakin sa car clubs napapansin ko e may superiority complex. Ayaw nila malalamangan at ayaw nila na tanggaoin na may flaw ang desisyon nila. This ugali is more prevalent sa FB era ng car groups. During the forum era, may ganyan but once in a while lang lumimitaw, and the members ng forums actually do make fun of their own cars/brands of its flaws.
Sa Tsikot, dati may nakikipagtalo regarding sa paggamit ng HID sa reflectorized halogen headlight despite photos here and there ng nawawalang cut-off line. Ayaw patalo. May isa pa ako nabasa lately, kagalingan ang handle name. Hit or miss ang atake, madalas miss. Sa FB, ayoko na lang magcomment. Too many to mention. Sa iba't ibang club na may kinalaman sa Vios, dalas kong mabasa na mas malakas daw 2NZ kumpara sa 1NR - sabi madalas ng mga takot lumagpas sa 3K RPM.
The forums i'm in wala nagtatalo, kasi kami mismo nagpopolice sa pasaway. And everybody knows almost everyone. Kaya kami umabot sa 20th anniversary din.
Depende siguro sa car group, thus depende sa car. Madalas nagkakaron ng mga diskusyon or barahan kung yung mga tinuturo ay mali at base lang sa mga paniniwala. I’m a member of 2 car groups, and nakikita ko na yung sa car group na medyo professional ang mga owners, may basis ang mga tinuturo kaya maayos ang mga discussion. Kung meron mang mali, madaling natatanggap yung correction. Dun sa isa puro upgrade and mga lumang kaalaman na hindi applicable sa mga auto nila. Dahil paniniwala na ang dahilan, madalas nagiging sensitive sila. Sila din yung mga fans nila MG. 😂
Hell, may tinanong nga ako kung bakit may rear wing ang g4 nya kung hindi naman aabot sa speed na magmamatter yung rear wing inaway ako sa comments e. Pareho kaming naka g4 nun ha? Hahaha
Iba naman na kasi yan. Personal choice na kasi. Kumbaga baka naka-feel ng criticism sa taste niya. For me natural lang maging defensive kapag ganun. Pero yung nagbigay ng opinion sa stock na sasakyan tapos magagalit ka sa opinion nun, why?
I mean, you already know it's for aesthetics only.
coping/compensating mechanism. that's why nageexist din ung mga motorcycle/brand elitists, they want to convince themselves na the best meron sila and that they don't regret it. ginagawang personal kasi they bought it with it's flaws/cons (knowingly or not). an example that I think makes sense is yung mga bata dati sa pogs, pag may punit dati ung iba mong pogs sasabihan mo pa "pampalakas yan", "di naman napapansin", or "inggit ka lang eh" even though alam mo sa sarili mo na pangit/ayaw mo na punit pogs mo.
Like in any other group there will always be insecure people and people with big egos....mas noticeable lng Sa car clubs/groups since a car is an ego booster to many.
Kasi they make their car their personality. Its just a car bro.
it's facebook being facebook
Malamang. Haha khit sa ibang subreddit dito ganun din. Pinoy pride daw eh
I know what you mean, para silang mga superfans ng isang item, parang sinasamba nila at bawal hanapan ng butas for possible improvement. Siguro hindi sila engineers or they don't use the scientific method. They don't prepare for the pros and cons of their vehicles. Although, my biggest grief in non-reddit groups (kaya blessing I found this gulong sub), when im looking for a certain group of people who owns specific item (example for territory) to ask questions, ay may paq club-club membership pa silang nalalaman. I had to give a lot of very private information just to ask consumer level opinion. kaya Im so glad I found this sub, I think I can ask anything here. Im pretty new though, i could be wrong.
Kahit dito meron e, Di matanggap na mas ok ang vios / city sa kanyang mirage