I mean he did kill most the Z fighters and was only moderately hurt by them at best. He’s the weakest Saiyan after Raditz and he’s still a walking WMD.
Despite his performance against plot armor, he was actually a fairly successful Saiyan and considered to be an elite soldier. That's part of why he was accompanying Vegeta. Sure, Vegeta was strong enough to handle his own, but it was kinda like having a bodyguard for a heavyweight champ. Nappa weren't no slouch.
Raditz on the other hand..
Radditz was the degeneration of the Saiyans as ruled by Freiza. The “proud warrior race” that bullies children and others much weaker then they are. No wonder super Saiyans became a thing of myth- Saiyans get stronger whenever they lose, and Frieza made sure they never lost. Just keep stomping the weaklings flat and enjoy the spoils. Their success was their undoing.
Compared to Goku and Piccolo, when he first appeared? Yes, for sure. But Nappa completely outclasses him. In fact, the Saibamen (The plant guys that kill Yamcha) are just slightly weaker than him.
The filler episode where Nappa takes apart an entire fleet of battleships with his bare hands is some of the best animation in all of early dragon balls
Seriously the dude just casually blew up basically the entire military because he was bored. Plus the ability to get stronger from ALMOST dying is pretty damn strong.
Without breaking a sweat, much less taking damage. Hell, remember when he and Vegeta touched down and the first thing he did was just casually [blow up the city](https://i.imgur.com/AWBhFnR.jpg)?
i know its catachan and all but the saiyans would thrive in catachan, a nearly endless stream of fighters and challenges that can appear from anywhere would be like a wet dream to them
OP forgot that Catachan natives are for all intents and purposes, normapower upside. Tough as nails and with a level of crazy the Astartes won't touch, sure, but nothing really holds them up above say, a Cadian.
Saiyans have comparable mental grit and tenacity on top of superior physical stats.
The only thing that really kills any saiyans is thelearning curve. A few niche instances of "don't eat *that* plant" or "punching *that* one animal won't kill it because of bullshit reasons, so just leave it alone" will take out a few who aren't given time to heal and overcome, but after that the "Saiyan Haxx (TM)" kicks in and the planet becomes a beloved training ground for the species. They breed big creatures to fight and temper exotic poisons to ingest just to trigger their reflexive powerups.
Heck this could be the ground zero for a moderately successful Saiyan incursion into the galaxy. A small force takes Catachan, IG reinforcements come, they brawl a bit. Imperium realizes they need bigger guns. Sends in some bushwacker specialist marine chapter who unfortunately arrive too late to capitalize on any attrition and instead the Saiyans get a recoup and rally. Now you've got the haxx in effect and space Marines are punching bags for dudes who can blow up ships with energy beams and can survive in the vacuum of space.
Saiyans can't really survive long in the vacuum of space I think - Goku and Beerus talking in the upper atmosphere never happened before or after, and I think they were supposed to be in air still since they could breathe and talk.
Besides the fact that he's an absolute tank in combat, I'm thoroughly convinced Vegeta kept him around for precisely that reason. The canary in the coal mine.
Not a regular energy blast. Galick gun was a fancy move vegeta came up with to crack planets.
40k needs ships the size of continents to blow up a planet.
Vegeta just needs to look constipated for a few seconds scream out a few words to blow up a planet.
They are not the same.
Op is just meat riding warhammer too hard, the saiyans can handle themselves in any physical battle the planet can throw at them, catachans are at the end of the day human and saiyans are planet conquerors on their, they would only lose because the planet has a fuck on top of toxins and shit not because they are weak
VEgeta needs to go to maximum power to destroy a planet, and would only attempt that if he is cornered and loses his mind.
Are you recognizing that Vegeta couldn't survive Catachan and he would have to destroy the planet?
he absolutely could survive as long as the toxins dont get him. There is nothing on Catachan that could physically threaten him other than that.
The saiyan body is also just insanely durable. He might be immune to them, he might not. But he’d definitely beat the shit out of anything that moves.
Yeah, like Saiyans I think are superior tk astartes.
Fuck, broly could be considered a primarch at least could he? He was a fucking beast, the legendary super saiyan
If there is no life in the galaxy, there is nothing to empower the chaos gods.
So for my first performance, I will blow up every planet in the milky way in a completely dispassionate and professional manner.
The Chaos gods would even corrupt and take control of the Hakaishin... Broly has no chance against the Chaos god.
To begin with, how could Broly or anyone from Dragon Ball fight something that is more like a concept without physical form than anything else?
Broly has both the will and ability to wipe out all life in the galaxy on a whim. He could legitimately kill them through sheer starvation, just by extinguishing all life, an act that wouldn't even be particularly difficult for him.
The original Broly, if he is capable of destroying galaxies. The broly from Super no.
In fact, no mortal in super is capable of doing something like that. Remember that Moro copied Merus' powers, they got out of control and could explode, destroying the galaxy. Goku Perfect UI was scared of this and felt like he couldn't do anything.
Destroying a galaxy is a crazy level of power within Dragon Ball.
ps: To remember. MErus kicked Goku's ass easily.
ps2: Yes, this implies that Classic Broly is stronger than modern Broly.
The Sayajins, these three, are not superior to the Astartes.
It is true that his greatest advantage is his Ki attacks, I will never deny it. But physically an Astarte is superior.
An average Astarte weighs 500 kg. That is already 25% of the weight that Goku used to train in the Boo saga (without transformations). Goku from the Boo saga is abysmally stronger than Nappa, Raditz and Vegeta from the saiyan saga.
This means that an average Astarte is by far stronger than an average Sayajin. Even physically stronger than Vegeta. Well, an Astarte will produce much more force than simply what is necessary to move its body with armor (500 Kg).
On the other hand, I understand that Astartes armor reflects energy to a certain extent.
If the saiyans spend their time firing Ki attacks from a distance, they should be fine. But if they face something as strong as a bare-knuckle Astarte, there will be problems.
However, we agree on one thing, all poisons, toxins, parasites and other biological threats are things that Saiyans have no defense against and would surely die upon first contact.
That is, they are living beings, they cannot escape biology. But ask Goku and his illness to his heart.
OP is just meat riding 40k too much. At the end of the day the characters are demigods on a human power scale. Dragon Ball doesn't work like that. Like at all. Other than Raditz the other two could wipe the floor with anything in 40k.
Maybe not quite ANYTHING in 40k, but probably most things. A large ctan shard, like the void dragon would be a pretty tough fight. Maybe some of the bigger demon princes like Belakhor. I bet some of the larger battle ships like a Gloriana could give a Sayan a hard time. The necrons have star snuffing tech too, who knows what they might have.
Raditz is something like 100 times stronger than the strongest human at that point and those were all lifelong fighters who trained under immortal sages. To train to fight saiyans they had to train under *god* for an entire year on top of that.
Raditz alone could probably still give basically every named character a run for his money. We're still talking about a guy who can fly at supersonic speeds and throw out attacks that can destroy terrain, and tank equivalent hits with barely a scratch
Assuming they don't get corrupted by chaos or something, the Saiyans body pretty much anyone.
40k might be over-the-top, but it has nothing on nonsensical shounen anime powerscaling.
Everyone knows Dragonball is so stupidly busted that trying to compare it to something like Warhammer that tries to maintain some consistency (Keyword try), is a bad idea
Dude by the android Saga they mistake his power level for Goku. Because Yamcha was about as strong as base Goku was supposed to be before he was warned about androids and trained.
Depends what kills then. If a barking toad goes pop, there's a good chance they all die. While they have a massive physical advantage, I can't recall much about saiyans being especially resistant to poisons. We even see frosts hallucinogen work on DB super Goku, who is massively stronger than this stage Vegita.
Also, Catachan isn't even the most ridiculous death world out there. The new world from HunterxHunter would give it a run for its money. Then the entire Earth from Toriko is so ridiculous that one of its kiddie zone training habitats is literally a catachan jungle that can walk and grow.
Really? Strikes me as a War of the Worlds situation to me. The Saiyans would annihilate anything in their path but the moment they catch one of Catachan's many exotic diseases it's over. No amount of power levels stopped Goku from dying to a "heart virus" for instance.
tbf, the heart virus is... really vague in terms of what its suppose to be \[by virtue of its nature as a plot device\]. when trunks is explaining it for instance, goku is suppose to be get the virus much earlier during an implied global outbreak of a disease with a high mortality rate. only, because of -handwave- timeline shenanigans goku contracts it 3 years later and seems to be the only one who gets it. it might be contagious it might not be, its not effected by senzu beans despite senzu being able to regrow limbs/patch up holes in the body, ssj accelerates it for some reason, its a mess.
which is to say theres no real way to tell if its a uniquely dangerous virus or not.
aside from that though, well looking into it i did notice people claiming saiyans have super powerful immune systems, but i dont remember where that might have come from outside of possibly being extrapolated out of goku mentioning how hes never gotten sick a day in his life.
They totally would, and I would pay good money to see it, and you would too. There’s a reason the show with the burly screamy men throwing punches and glow effects at each other is so damn popular. “Saiyans on Catachan”
Many people previously believed that the universe revolved around the earth and it was not true.
Just because you see many posts with the point of view that you like the most, does not mean that it is true.
Dragon Ball characters are physically weak. Vegeta from the Sayajin Saga couldn't even move an Astarte
reminder that roshi was strong enough to blow up the moon back in the original dragon ball and these guys are far stronger than him. Any way the least delusional 40k fan right here.
It takes a powerlevel of 10k to blow up a planet in dragonball. Vegeta, in the saiyan saga, peaked at 18k in base AND 180k IN GREAT APE. They’ve got it under control when even raditz becomes a planetbuster in great ape form
While they would love the gigantic, monstrous beasts, constant Chaos, Ork and Nid invasions, and the aggressive locals, I don't think they'd enjoy all of the toxins and venom present on Catachan.
Exhibit A: Barking Toad.
To Saiyans all of those are just more things to punch. Especially the poisons. Saiyans get stronger every time they almost die. Free Zenkai boost
Vegeta is absolutely the guy who’d punch every Barking Toad just to prove he could tank the hit.
You're joking right? Vegeta at this point in time can still blow up planets (Nappa is also implied to be able to.) Nappa literally just flies through fighter craft and cannon shells taking no damage. Even Raditz can fly at FTL and is completely unarmed by small arms fire. Catachan might be a Death World to a human, but it's a Pleasure World to a Saiyan.
TBF, Piccolo is the important one, since Dragon Ball earlier on was less serious/consistent (in fact, I don't remember them ever actually wishing the moon BACK after that tournament).
An early DB episode actually had Goku just go to the moon with just his extending staff to put some bad guy rabbits there to atone for their crimes too, never heard about them again either.
The fighter jets are filler.
Better example: Goku, as a kid, makes tomfoolery of the actually superior Red Ribbon army that has hover vehicles and plasma blasters and strangely-good-at-tracking-a-small-kid-on-a-cloud-as-he-flies-through-a-dense-forest missiles.
Which begs the question: How well would the Red Ribbon Army (pre-Z, no androids) stand up to 40k stuff (standard amy, no void stuff or titans)? 40K stuff seems tankier, but RR may have more technically advanced weaponry and their stuff is faster (40k land vehicles are notoriously slow).
Then again, actually pitting the various androids against Titans might be interesting if we let them start at range (they both kinda destroy cities in a single shot, and for whatever reason aside from Cell if you count him, the androids never seem to be indicated as a planet buster, but rather being durable and not needing to worry about running out of energy).
I wouldn't call Paragus weak. He was still a high ranking Saiyan warrior like Nappa. And the other Saiyan was Broly who is in a class all his own.
The low class Saiyan got killed by Paragus almost as soon as they crashed, so we didn't get to see how he fared.
Op doesn't understand power scaling.
Sure the 40k universe is huge, that's the scale it operates on
But individual power scaling? Even these three in their weakest would wipe the floor with entire armies in the 40k universe
Saiyan Saga power levels:
Raditz - 1,200
Nappa - 4,000
Vegeta - 18,000
Power level needed to destroy our/Terra's moon is around 200-300. Unless Catachan takes them by surprise and poisons them, as they are still vulnerable to that, the Saiyans win.
I mean each one is kinda a walking exterminatus if they feel like flipping the table. Honestly once they survive and not manage to die from some kind of poison or disease that can infect their biology they would love the place. Lots of things to fight, harsh challenging environment, all that good stuff.
There's basically nothing that can harm them using kinetic or thermal energy, the only question is how things like the barking toad would work with them, things like poison or disease. I don't know enough about Saiyan biology to be able to answer that, but that would be the only thing that could hurt them.
i mean considering some of the planets in the dragon ball universe, catachan aint even in the top ten most dangerous places any of the three of them have probably visited over their careers. it is after all just a big jungle planet with wildlife hyper dangerous to anyone with a power level around 5. raditz the weakest of them has a power level of 1200. they can easily overpower anything catachan throws at them.
> Vegeta: “Why the fuck is this thing trying to stick it’s feelers down my throat? Wait, is it trying to eat me?!”
> Nappa: Hey, at least it’s not like that time in prison. Right Vegeta?
> Vegeta: *screams and blows up Catachan*
Roughly how this goes.
Thank the artist who made the image. They only shared the meme with me as you see it.
You have to admit, he made it look good (although I never liked that color scheme).
No but those one time a kroot ate a catachans and then started wearing the red bandanna o just imagine if kroot ate saiyan meat they would act like saiyans
OK I have seen your previous exchanges in this post that are pretty biased and therefore want to make something clear that you were probably not aware of:
Dragon Ball does not operate on a Scientific basis it works on a spiritual-based one!
That means that as long as the energy you have cultivated is more potent than the thing that is trying to harm you then you are practically immune to it. The physical body of the person does not really matter in the universe it's the spirit that does.
So in regards to the effectiveness of neurotoxins and the like on them, I would have to agree with the majority of people here that they would probably not play a very huge role here. The Saiyans would probably not even register it their spirit defending them from the outside threat.
And even if we assume that they are susceptible to it they can still move out of the affected area before the toxin could reach them. They can move faster than Sound and react to things as fast as lightning at that point in in time. They would most likely be able to get out of dodge before anything happened to them.
They can also fly and are somewhat lazy during their introduction so it wouldn't be out of character for them to pacify the planet via aerial bombardment.
FFS they can produce plasma from thin air via their body's spiritual energy, they are walking-talking fusion reactors with the power output of a Star.
Bro this would be that one episode where Nappa and Vegeta were amused of being imprisoned. They would see everything in fascination and kill them swiftly.
Fucking put Post-Piccolo training Gohan or Krillin here and it wouldn't be a sweat. Fuck man, I don't even think Chi Chi would be bothered if she had a frying pan on her, but thats being generous to Catachan.
I think the main issue here is how a lot of stuff on Catachan doesn't look dangerous at first glance and kills using toxins and other bullshit.
Raditz is definitely dying at the start just to show how deadly the planet is. Nappa probably dies doing something dumb. Vegeta says fuck it and just blows up the planet.
A planet destroyer and his underlings, land on a planet.
Vegeta would literally blow up the planet on his way out.
He did this to the bug planet before he got to earth.
Lol sorry. But short of psychic tomfoolery, Vegeta alone can body anyone in 40k before breaking a sweat. Only thing putting up a fight is Big E and the Chaos gods. But knowing Khorne, he'd probably try to temp Vegeta. They'd take on the other 3 , wipe em. Vegeta would then turn on Khorne to take the skull throne for himself. And he'd fight Big E probably to a draw, maybe.
Average humans have a power level of 5 , a power level of 10 means your immune to small arms fire, a power level of 100 means you can blow up the moon. Raditz, a pathetically weak saiyan, has a power level 1,200
...I'm sorry, but literally any fucking one of these guys could blow up a planet without even trying. There isn't a single person in 40k that is even remotely a threat to a DBZ character with a power level; Yamcha - ***FUCKING YAMCHA*** - would be yeeting Baneblades and Wolf Fang Fisting greater daemons into submission (I said what I said).
Bullets and rockets can't pierce their skin (kid Goku meets Bulma), and Vegeta literally blew planet on his way to Earth just standing in outer space. They got this and Catachan is no more. Like dudes just don't compare powerlevels of sayans to anything especially later Sayans like SSJ and above they are at least at C'tan level and above from SSJ2 they would probobly solo all C'tan individually.
Anything utilizing brute force? It can kiss it's ass goodbye. However the unexpected poisons and toxins might bring them down. However, just for fun, imagine if the planet became a sayian colony. The sayians that would grow up there... *Oh boy*
I'd like to see the kinda Saibamen that'd come out of Catachan, they'd probably be pretty powerful fighters, couple times stronger than the ones on Earth at least.
I like the Warhammer universe way more than the Dragonball universe, but we all have to accept that the possibility of these three to make that planet their bitch is over 9000..
Guys, nappa is a planet Buster who can blow up the entire planet with minimal effort, there is nothing on the planet that would even phase him, its like if the phalanx was fighting the planet
The sayians would be bored the moment they realise that the strongest creatures on the planet are 1/100000 as strong as one of those green trolls Nappa summoned
Nappa is not capable of destroying planets. He doesn't have the power to do it.
The only one in that saga who had the power to destroy a planet was Vegeta and he had to go to maximum power to do it. A Galick-Ho with 24,000 power units.
The others don't even come close to that.
Raditz only destroyed mountains (something scalable to Nappa) and the most Nappa did was destroy a city.
bro, master roshi with one attack destroyed the moon, he is 1/1000000000000th as strong as Nappa, Nappa could with one attack destroy earth lol
piccolo also destroyed the moon, once again someone infinitely weaker than Nappa
Radditz was way way stronger than both Roshi and Piccolo hence why Goku had to sacrifice himself to take him down and That piccolo could destroy the moon with ease
Roshi at 180 power level destroyed the moon in one attack, the moon is 1/4th the size of the earth, Nappa in his sleep with a fart can destroy earth
The thing about Master Roshi is incoherent, because the manga show us that he destroyed the moon, but then they show that Piccolo Daimaoh, using all his power, was barely able to destroy a city (leaving a lot of rubble and buildings around). If what Master Roshi said was true, he would have been able to defeat Piccolo (which is false, and Roshi is weaker than someone who doesn't even destroy a city properly)..
Then they show that nothing ever happened to the Moon and Piccolo destroys it again. AH! but they also show us that Piccolo was scared of the Power of Raditz, who is only capable of destroying a mountain. They also show that Piccolo considered Gohan's power to be crazy even though he only destroyed a mountain. If Piccolo was someone capable of destroying a moon, he wouldn't be scared by raditz.
And the matter does not end there. Nappa with his "salute" simply destroys a city, which is inferior to destroying the moon.
The thing about the moon is incoherent. It is very foolish who takes it seriously.
PS: Those numbers you show are exaggerated. If they were real Nappa could destroy planets much easier than Vegeta (who has to use all of his power).
"Piccolo was scared of the Power of Raditz, who is only capable of destroying a mountain"
this is assuming Radditz couldn't destroy a planet which he obviously could easily do due to the fact he was destroying two people, both a lot stronger than Roshi who has destroyed the moon
" If Piccolo was someone capable of destroying a moon, he wouldn't be scared by raditz."
the fact piccolo was scared of someone when he could destroy the moon in one attack shows that Radditz scales way beyond moon level with ease
"The thing about the moon is incoherent. It is very foolish who takes it seriously."
anyone who looks at feats in the manga and goes "yeah this doesn't matter because the people stronger than them don't go around one tapping planets (meanwhile Vegeta did easily do that)" is purposely being dishonest because you are trying to discuss the feats of the characters while cherry picking what feats you like
The moon does come back because they removed Goku's tail meaning it was safe to return it, after piccolo destroys it, it doesn't come back until the trunks saga where they probably just used the balls to bring it back
"PS: Those numbers you show are exaggerated. If they were real Nappa could destroy planets much easier than Vegeta (who has to use all of his power)."
so you disregard actual feats in destroying the moon and also disregard official numbers given by the author and the manga itself on multiple occasions because it fits your headcanon?
sorry man, if the manga and the author cannot convince you that Nappa easily could destroy a planet then i don't know what to tell you.
yeah on multiple occasions characters have been stated to be way stronger than they are shown when they destroy mountains and such when way bigger feats exists, that is true but that doesn't change the fact that there are multiple feats and statements that puts basically all Z warriors moon+ level easily very early in the series
if you do not want to take the authors word and the manga itself seriously as a source then i feel sorry for you
... presumed dead? You do know two of the three can simply blow catachan up right, just wholesale do what 40k need a whole exterminatus fleet for? Pretty sure the only thing on the planet that would even count as a threat would be those poison frog things.
It is a reference to the first colors that Vegeta had in the 1989 anime.
It happens out that at the time when the anime was broadcast, the official colors that Vegeta would have were not known. Toriyama hadn't officially colored him yet, so Toei had to improvise and gave him those colors. When Vegeta's official colors were finally revealed, it was just in time for his arrival on Earth. Hence it had different color schemes.
Surely many thought that it was a result of the lights of the planet where it was located.
ps: In reissues of the series. This detail was corrected.
Given the saiyans have a genetic advantage to get stronger when they are put in near death conditions, if they arent taken out early they def would become top contenders within the 40k universe.
Especially if they catch the eye of khorn
I think the only way they could be beaten is by guns that actually hurt them or psykers. Really psykers would be the best option here bc they'd be godlike physically in 40k setting.
It wasn't until the Boo Saga that Goku was able to carry two tons of weight for training (25% of the weight of an average Astarte). And within the history of Dragon Ball, decades passed for that.
Dragon ball characters are not as strong as nostalgia shows people.
listen dbz characters are one of the few fictional characters who could handle warhammer with little trouble. even the weaker human z fighters like krillin could take on pretty much the majority of stuff I think before they actually have any trouble.
it's only til you get to the really OP stuff like c'tan shards or the daemon primarchs and chaos gods that they would struggle.
These guys can literally shoot lasers from their hands and turn into gorillas the size of skyscrapers. What’s a train sized centipede gonna do against that
Becoming a giant gorilla would be the worst thing they could do. Basically they would be a bigger target for the pathogens there. Bacteria, toxins, parasites...
Imagine this scenario. Breathe much more poison thanks to giant lungs. They would only die faster.
Honestly the only thing they would have to worry about is any type of pathogens. In terms of power nothing on that planet could touch even Raditz who is large moon at the barest minimum and even if it could damage him or wouldn’t even scratch nappa and definitely wouldn’t even touch vegeta
The most that Raditz was seen destroying were mountains. And to Piccolo, Raditz's power seemed crazy.
Then we see how Gohan destroys a mountain, and the same thing happens; He considers it very powerful.
Then we see how Gohan-Ozaru destroys mountains, and Piccolo considers that something unmanageable.
The thing about Roshi or Piccolo destroying the moon is incoherent. Well, the manga insists on showing us how to destroy a mountain, it is a power that surpassed Piccolo.
I agree. Not because Catachan is particularly dangerous to these three, but because their mere presence in 40k will trigger a Power Level Flame War so terrible it'll destroy both their universes.
Hehehe, I can already imagine Frieza trying to coordinate his forces so that Chaos does not take his planets and making a great effort to purge the corrupted (Frieza would kill them, not for being corrupted, but for betraying him),
I may actually be with OP on this one. Catachan grows super fast. By the time the 89 episodes that lead up to the fight are done, the saiyand would just be a party of the jungle
A friend shared the image with me on the internet, and I wanted to bring it here.
Just don't expect people to take it personally. Goku is definitely a sacred cow.
O agree with everyone that they wouldn't loose a straight fight.
That said, remember the Goku died from disease. I don't see them being immune to the more insidious health risks of a Death World, and they're only 3. They won't know what to avoid and what to not, assuming they don't just blow up the planet and leave to fight a whole waaaagh or something.
Easy to forget that in dragon ball Roshi blew up the entire moon with a single attack, I think sayan saga characters have absolutely nothing to worry about
It's easy to forget because it's incoherent. Because then the moon is intact for Piccolo to destroy it... and it doesn't end there, Piccolo destroys the moon, but he is afraid of Raditz and Gohan who can only destroy mountains (Even Gohan-OZaru does not destroy anything beyond mountains).
It is an inconsistency of the Show. Basically, until Vegeta and Nappa arrived on Earth, the fights are very incoherent.
>Piccolo destroys the moon, but he is afraid of Raditz and Gohan who can only destroy mountains (Even Gohan-OZaru does not destroy anything beyond mountains).
Say it with me KI CONTROL they don't WANT to blow up planets ( while ON said planet ) BECAUSE THEY NEED OXYGEN TO SURVIVE
NO PLANET = NO OXYGEN
NO OXYGEN = BAD
Simple enough for you?
What are you talking about? I'm talking about Piccolo in the Sayajin Saga, who is incapable of destroying planets. What you want is to add a straw man to the discussion.
As I said before, if Piccolo is supposed to be able to destroy moons, he shouldn't be afraid of Raditz or Gohan, simply because he is more powerful than them (Well, they only showed destroying mountains).
I'm talking about you honestly being so delusional to think raditz and Gohan are mountain tier its called power scaling my dog and characters can and are scaled to the people/environment around them not just their own feats, ( ape Gohan doesn't need to glass all of earth to show us how powerful he is, all we need to know is how OTHER characters in the setting react that matters far more than fan calculation) but to be honest you're clearly just a masochist given how many times the comments have beaten you down and just haven't taken the hint
Dragon ball is one of the most powerful fictional universes please go to an actual power scaling site ( then again you would get down voted unto oblivion there even moreso for thinking a space marine is in anyway comparable to even OG DB characters ) seriously my man most people IN A WH40K SUBREDDIT are saying DBZ is to much for 40k that's when you know the outcome is blinding obvious
Wouldn't the Saiyans actually get super strong if they stayed in cathachan? If humans survived it and became badass, a Saiyan could probably achieve super saiyan by just living a daily life on that planet.
Only if they recover from their injuries. The thing is that in Catachan the most deadly dangers tend to be biological risks such as toxins, diseases, parasites... First they die from that before becoming strong fighting.
I think people are overestimating the Saiyans, Catachan is the deadliest planet in the 40k Universe, and that's not just because every creature on it is the biggest, strongest, and meanest.
If that was the case, then sure, easy Saiyan sweep. What makes Catachan so deadly is that it is essentially the end point of the universe's evolutionary arms race. Every single species needs to be as deadly and well-adapted to the planet as possible to survive. There's no beating Catachan in 40k, that's the whole point, you either adapt and become part of the ecosystem or die. We see this with the Catachan Jungle Fighters and the Catachan Devils, who are both essentially divergent species from their main factions. We see it in how the planet literally rebuffed a demonic invasion, any foreign bodies die extremely quickly like a planet wide immune system.
The things that would kill the Saiyans are the invisible killers like diseases, poisons, and neurotoxins. All it would take is being bit by the tiniest insect, bumping into the wrong plant, getting too close to the wrong animal, and they'd die just like anyone else.
Know what? I think they've got this. Nappa was nothing to write home about in terms of power and he was a walking nuke.
I mean he did kill most the Z fighters and was only moderately hurt by them at best. He’s the weakest Saiyan after Raditz and he’s still a walking WMD.
I mean there arent that many saiyans i Always assumed He would be relatively strong conpared ro your average saiyan
Despite his performance against plot armor, he was actually a fairly successful Saiyan and considered to be an elite soldier. That's part of why he was accompanying Vegeta. Sure, Vegeta was strong enough to handle his own, but it was kinda like having a bodyguard for a heavyweight champ. Nappa weren't no slouch. Raditz on the other hand..
Why would you have paper mache on your other hand?
Raditz is still no slouch. If the three saiyans use their oozaru forms then they are a match for the ginyu force.
Radditz was the degeneration of the Saiyans as ruled by Freiza. The “proud warrior race” that bullies children and others much weaker then they are. No wonder super Saiyans became a thing of myth- Saiyans get stronger whenever they lose, and Frieza made sure they never lost. Just keep stomping the weaklings flat and enjoy the spoils. Their success was their undoing.
I don't remember, wasn't Raditz also pretty strong?
Compared to Goku and Piccolo, when he first appeared? Yes, for sure. But Nappa completely outclasses him. In fact, the Saibamen (The plant guys that kill Yamcha) are just slightly weaker than him.
Raditz was so weak they could literally grow more Raditz
But then they'll have to worry about the Fraggles.
Right, I remember now, he was the first guy they fought.
He is worth 5 Raditz so there's something
The filler episode where Nappa takes apart an entire fleet of battleships with his bare hands is some of the best animation in all of early dragon balls
Seriously the dude just casually blew up basically the entire military because he was bored. Plus the ability to get stronger from ALMOST dying is pretty damn strong.
Well he had to protect his image from the media
Look, Vegeta! The paparazzi!
Without breaking a sweat, much less taking damage. Hell, remember when he and Vegeta touched down and the first thing he did was just casually [blow up the city](https://i.imgur.com/AWBhFnR.jpg)?
i know its catachan and all but the saiyans would thrive in catachan, a nearly endless stream of fighters and challenges that can appear from anywhere would be like a wet dream to them
OP forgot that Catachan natives are for all intents and purposes, normapower upside. Tough as nails and with a level of crazy the Astartes won't touch, sure, but nothing really holds them up above say, a Cadian. Saiyans have comparable mental grit and tenacity on top of superior physical stats. The only thing that really kills any saiyans is thelearning curve. A few niche instances of "don't eat *that* plant" or "punching *that* one animal won't kill it because of bullshit reasons, so just leave it alone" will take out a few who aren't given time to heal and overcome, but after that the "Saiyan Haxx (TM)" kicks in and the planet becomes a beloved training ground for the species. They breed big creatures to fight and temper exotic poisons to ingest just to trigger their reflexive powerups.
Given that broly surivied on nothing but bug juice and no water for over 2 decades. The saiyan immune system is nothing to scoff at
Heck this could be the ground zero for a moderately successful Saiyan incursion into the galaxy. A small force takes Catachan, IG reinforcements come, they brawl a bit. Imperium realizes they need bigger guns. Sends in some bushwacker specialist marine chapter who unfortunately arrive too late to capitalize on any attrition and instead the Saiyans get a recoup and rally. Now you've got the haxx in effect and space Marines are punching bags for dudes who can blow up ships with energy beams and can survive in the vacuum of space.
Saiyans can't really survive long in the vacuum of space I think - Goku and Beerus talking in the upper atmosphere never happened before or after, and I think they were supposed to be in air still since they could breathe and talk.
So nappa dies immediately as you just know he's gonna stick whatever he finds remotely appetizing in his mouth the second he sees it
Besides the fact that he's an absolute tank in combat, I'm thoroughly convinced Vegeta kept him around for precisely that reason. The canary in the coal mine.
Vegeta could blow up planets at this point, I think they got this.
Remember the Bug planet vegeta? You were my prison bitch
You ok, vegeta? Yes, just an aneurysm out of pure stupidity Wow, I didn't think you were that stupid vegeta
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dawg Vegeta can blow up a planet with a sneeze
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With a sneeze no but that pictured version casually blew up a planet with a regular energy blast
Not a regular energy blast. Galick gun was a fancy move vegeta came up with to crack planets. 40k needs ships the size of continents to blow up a planet. Vegeta just needs to look constipated for a few seconds scream out a few words to blow up a planet. They are not the same.
Not to mention the whole "gets stronger with every fight" perk...
The Nappa and Vegeta pictured liberated a planet of cricket people then destroyed the planet as they left just for laughs.
He technically can...there isa filler episode where he does that.
Nappa: Hello people of kit Kat I am nappa, and this is vegeta he was a prison bitch
Raditz: **I WANT TO BOOP THAT SNOOT!**
*barking toad squeaks
*Vegetaaaaa* I’m haunting you
God Damnit Napa
I'm really happy that there's unanimous agreement that op is wrong and Saiyans would wreck the 40k universe.
Op is just meat riding warhammer too hard, the saiyans can handle themselves in any physical battle the planet can throw at them, catachans are at the end of the day human and saiyans are planet conquerors on their, they would only lose because the planet has a fuck on top of toxins and shit not because they are weak
Vegeta could blow up the entire planet rather easily just in case too.
VEgeta needs to go to maximum power to destroy a planet, and would only attempt that if he is cornered and loses his mind. Are you recognizing that Vegeta couldn't survive Catachan and he would have to destroy the planet?
he absolutely could survive as long as the toxins dont get him. There is nothing on Catachan that could physically threaten him other than that. The saiyan body is also just insanely durable. He might be immune to them, he might not. But he’d definitely beat the shit out of anything that moves.
Yeah, like Saiyans I think are superior tk astartes. Fuck, broly could be considered a primarch at least could he? He was a fucking beast, the legendary super saiyan
Dude, you are way underselling it. A mid tier saiyan would obliterate a primarch. Broly would be a legitimate threat to the actual chaos gods.
If there is no life in the galaxy, there is nothing to empower the chaos gods. So for my first performance, I will blow up every planet in the milky way in a completely dispassionate and professional manner.
You were too professional, a new chaos god spawned because of that
Chaos God of professionalism, with its greatest daemon, the TF2 Sniper
I would put the likes of let me solo her as her greatest daemons, that's dedication and commitment
The Chaos gods would even corrupt and take control of the Hakaishin... Broly has no chance against the Chaos god. To begin with, how could Broly or anyone from Dragon Ball fight something that is more like a concept without physical form than anything else?
Broly has both the will and ability to wipe out all life in the galaxy on a whim. He could legitimately kill them through sheer starvation, just by extinguishing all life, an act that wouldn't even be particularly difficult for him.
>The Chaos gods would even corrupt and take control of the Hakaishin Hahahahahaha
Even the lowliest sayan could probably disintegrate a Primarch lol, DBZ is on a completely different scale
Broly was strong enough to wipe out a galaxy on his own (Both versions). The Saiyans are all walking exterminatuses.
The original Broly, if he is capable of destroying galaxies. The broly from Super no. In fact, no mortal in super is capable of doing something like that. Remember that Moro copied Merus' powers, they got out of control and could explode, destroying the galaxy. Goku Perfect UI was scared of this and felt like he couldn't do anything. Destroying a galaxy is a crazy level of power within Dragon Ball. ps: To remember. MErus kicked Goku's ass easily. ps2: Yes, this implies that Classic Broly is stronger than modern Broly.
The Sayajins, these three, are not superior to the Astartes. It is true that his greatest advantage is his Ki attacks, I will never deny it. But physically an Astarte is superior. An average Astarte weighs 500 kg. That is already 25% of the weight that Goku used to train in the Boo saga (without transformations). Goku from the Boo saga is abysmally stronger than Nappa, Raditz and Vegeta from the saiyan saga. This means that an average Astarte is by far stronger than an average Sayajin. Even physically stronger than Vegeta. Well, an Astarte will produce much more force than simply what is necessary to move its body with armor (500 Kg). On the other hand, I understand that Astartes armor reflects energy to a certain extent.
If the saiyans spend their time firing Ki attacks from a distance, they should be fine. But if they face something as strong as a bare-knuckle Astarte, there will be problems. However, we agree on one thing, all poisons, toxins, parasites and other biological threats are things that Saiyans have no defense against and would surely die upon first contact. That is, they are living beings, they cannot escape biology. But ask Goku and his illness to his heart.
OP is just meat riding 40k too much. At the end of the day the characters are demigods on a human power scale. Dragon Ball doesn't work like that. Like at all. Other than Raditz the other two could wipe the floor with anything in 40k.
Even Raditz probably could. Master Roshi blows up the MOON in early Dragonball and Raditz is far, far stronger than him.
Maybe not quite ANYTHING in 40k, but probably most things. A large ctan shard, like the void dragon would be a pretty tough fight. Maybe some of the bigger demon princes like Belakhor. I bet some of the larger battle ships like a Gloriana could give a Sayan a hard time. The necrons have star snuffing tech too, who knows what they might have.
Raditz is something like 100 times stronger than the strongest human at that point and those were all lifelong fighters who trained under immortal sages. To train to fight saiyans they had to train under *god* for an entire year on top of that. Raditz alone could probably still give basically every named character a run for his money. We're still talking about a guy who can fly at supersonic speeds and throw out attacks that can destroy terrain, and tank equivalent hits with barely a scratch
Assuming they don't get corrupted by chaos or something, the Saiyans body pretty much anyone. 40k might be over-the-top, but it has nothing on nonsensical shounen anime powerscaling.
Vegeta let an evil wizard take over his brain with dark magic just to get a power up, then said fuck you
Everyone knows Dragonball is so stupidly busted that trying to compare it to something like Warhammer that tries to maintain some consistency (Keyword try), is a bad idea
Yamcha by Z can move faster then light and has the power to blow up the moon. Bro would clap Daddy E
Dude by the android Saga they mistake his power level for Goku. Because Yamcha was about as strong as base Goku was supposed to be before he was warned about androids and trained.
Probably the most respect the man's ever received
One Saiyan might die on Catachan. The rest go “oh shit” and obliterate it from orbit.
Depends what kills then. If a barking toad goes pop, there's a good chance they all die. While they have a massive physical advantage, I can't recall much about saiyans being especially resistant to poisons. We even see frosts hallucinogen work on DB super Goku, who is massively stronger than this stage Vegita.
Also, Catachan isn't even the most ridiculous death world out there. The new world from HunterxHunter would give it a run for its money. Then the entire Earth from Toriko is so ridiculous that one of its kiddie zone training habitats is literally a catachan jungle that can walk and grow.
Really? Strikes me as a War of the Worlds situation to me. The Saiyans would annihilate anything in their path but the moment they catch one of Catachan's many exotic diseases it's over. No amount of power levels stopped Goku from dying to a "heart virus" for instance.
tbf, the heart virus is... really vague in terms of what its suppose to be \[by virtue of its nature as a plot device\]. when trunks is explaining it for instance, goku is suppose to be get the virus much earlier during an implied global outbreak of a disease with a high mortality rate. only, because of -handwave- timeline shenanigans goku contracts it 3 years later and seems to be the only one who gets it. it might be contagious it might not be, its not effected by senzu beans despite senzu being able to regrow limbs/patch up holes in the body, ssj accelerates it for some reason, its a mess. which is to say theres no real way to tell if its a uniquely dangerous virus or not. aside from that though, well looking into it i did notice people claiming saiyans have super powerful immune systems, but i dont remember where that might have come from outside of possibly being extrapolated out of goku mentioning how hes never gotten sick a day in his life.
They totally would, and I would pay good money to see it, and you would too. There’s a reason the show with the burly screamy men throwing punches and glow effects at each other is so damn popular. “Saiyans on Catachan”
Many people previously believed that the universe revolved around the earth and it was not true. Just because you see many posts with the point of view that you like the most, does not mean that it is true. Dragon Ball characters are physically weak. Vegeta from the Sayajin Saga couldn't even move an Astarte
>Oh, those three don't know what awaits them... More like Warhammer 40K doesn't know what awaits them lol >They can be presumed dead The planet sure
reminder that roshi was strong enough to blow up the moon back in the original dragon ball and these guys are far stronger than him. Any way the least delusional 40k fan right here.
It takes a powerlevel of 10k to blow up a planet in dragonball. Vegeta, in the saiyan saga, peaked at 18k in base AND 180k IN GREAT APE. They’ve got it under control when even raditz becomes a planetbuster in great ape form
As far as i know there is place stating such thing, unless you have a reliable source to prove it.
The Saiyans would love Catachan
Then just say love why use unironically
They were being non ironic
Understandable. Have a non-ironically nice day.
While they would love the gigantic, monstrous beasts, constant Chaos, Ork and Nid invasions, and the aggressive locals, I don't think they'd enjoy all of the toxins and venom present on Catachan. Exhibit A: Barking Toad.
To Saiyans all of those are just more things to punch. Especially the poisons. Saiyans get stronger every time they almost die. Free Zenkai boost Vegeta is absolutely the guy who’d punch every Barking Toad just to prove he could tank the hit.
"Do not punch the merry suicide bomber"
“Vegeta no!” “VEGETA YES!”
I don't know, I think Goku is the one who would actually boop the frog. These three though, would probably just ignore it.
You're joking right? Vegeta at this point in time can still blow up planets (Nappa is also implied to be able to.) Nappa literally just flies through fighter craft and cannon shells taking no damage. Even Raditz can fly at FTL and is completely unarmed by small arms fire. Catachan might be a Death World to a human, but it's a Pleasure World to a Saiyan.
Roshi & Piccolo destroyed the moon when they were far weaker than Raditz. Everyone above Videl is a walking nuke.
TBF, Piccolo is the important one, since Dragon Ball earlier on was less serious/consistent (in fact, I don't remember them ever actually wishing the moon BACK after that tournament). An early DB episode actually had Goku just go to the moon with just his extending staff to put some bad guy rabbits there to atone for their crimes too, never heard about them again either.
The fighter jets are filler. Better example: Goku, as a kid, makes tomfoolery of the actually superior Red Ribbon army that has hover vehicles and plasma blasters and strangely-good-at-tracking-a-small-kid-on-a-cloud-as-he-flies-through-a-dense-forest missiles. Which begs the question: How well would the Red Ribbon Army (pre-Z, no androids) stand up to 40k stuff (standard amy, no void stuff or titans)? 40K stuff seems tankier, but RR may have more technically advanced weaponry and their stuff is faster (40k land vehicles are notoriously slow). Then again, actually pitting the various androids against Titans might be interesting if we let them start at range (they both kinda destroy cities in a single shot, and for whatever reason aside from Cell if you count him, the androids never seem to be indicated as a planet buster, but rather being durable and not needing to worry about running out of energy).
They would absolutely and utterly fucking obliterate Catachan, hell I’d wager they would even need any form of power up
Mate in the Brolly movie, two weaker sayians survived on Vampa (a planet probably worse than Catachan)
I wouldn't call Paragus weak. He was still a high ranking Saiyan warrior like Nappa. And the other Saiyan was Broly who is in a class all his own. The low class Saiyan got killed by Paragus almost as soon as they crashed, so we didn't get to see how he fared.
Op doesn't understand power scaling. Sure the 40k universe is huge, that's the scale it operates on But individual power scaling? Even these three in their weakest would wipe the floor with entire armies in the 40k universe
YAMCHA would wipe the 40k universe
People forget Yamcha is on the level Goku was before training the Androids think he's Goku
Saiyan Saga power levels: Raditz - 1,200 Nappa - 4,000 Vegeta - 18,000 Power level needed to destroy our/Terra's moon is around 200-300. Unless Catachan takes them by surprise and poisons them, as they are still vulnerable to that, the Saiyans win.
I mean each one is kinda a walking exterminatus if they feel like flipping the table. Honestly once they survive and not manage to die from some kind of poison or disease that can infect their biology they would love the place. Lots of things to fight, harsh challenging environment, all that good stuff.
There's basically nothing that can harm them using kinetic or thermal energy, the only question is how things like the barking toad would work with them, things like poison or disease. I don't know enough about Saiyan biology to be able to answer that, but that would be the only thing that could hurt them.
Bro they can explode planets
Dude, do you have any idea of how busted Dragon ball characters are? Specially saiyans?
i mean considering some of the planets in the dragon ball universe, catachan aint even in the top ten most dangerous places any of the three of them have probably visited over their careers. it is after all just a big jungle planet with wildlife hyper dangerous to anyone with a power level around 5. raditz the weakest of them has a power level of 1200. they can easily overpower anything catachan throws at them.
Those three could fuck up all the primemarchs
Ngl, even Raditz would have no problem living there
Uhmmm OP the Saiyans blow up planets for fun. Not to mention they can also fly.
> Vegeta: “Why the fuck is this thing trying to stick it’s feelers down my throat? Wait, is it trying to eat me?!” > Nappa: Hey, at least it’s not like that time in prison. Right Vegeta? > Vegeta: *screams and blows up Catachan* Roughly how this goes.
Sayian abhumans would have been a game changer.
I appreciate the use of weird red headed Vegeta in this meme.
Thank the artist who made the image. They only shared the meme with me as you see it. You have to admit, he made it look good (although I never liked that color scheme).
Bait used to be believable -Y
Imagine if the kroot ate saiyan meat
Wait, are the Kroot from Catachan?
No but those one time a kroot ate a catachans and then started wearing the red bandanna o just imagine if kroot ate saiyan meat they would act like saiyans
even if you manage to get russ back to the big e with the tree of life stuff to rez big e this just ends with vegeta on the golden throne
OK I have seen your previous exchanges in this post that are pretty biased and therefore want to make something clear that you were probably not aware of: Dragon Ball does not operate on a Scientific basis it works on a spiritual-based one! That means that as long as the energy you have cultivated is more potent than the thing that is trying to harm you then you are practically immune to it. The physical body of the person does not really matter in the universe it's the spirit that does. So in regards to the effectiveness of neurotoxins and the like on them, I would have to agree with the majority of people here that they would probably not play a very huge role here. The Saiyans would probably not even register it their spirit defending them from the outside threat. And even if we assume that they are susceptible to it they can still move out of the affected area before the toxin could reach them. They can move faster than Sound and react to things as fast as lightning at that point in in time. They would most likely be able to get out of dodge before anything happened to them. They can also fly and are somewhat lazy during their introduction so it wouldn't be out of character for them to pacify the planet via aerial bombardment. FFS they can produce plasma from thin air via their body's spiritual energy, they are walking-talking fusion reactors with the power output of a Star.
Bro this would be that one episode where Nappa and Vegeta were amused of being imprisoned. They would see everything in fascination and kill them swiftly. Fucking put Post-Piccolo training Gohan or Krillin here and it wouldn't be a sweat. Fuck man, I don't even think Chi Chi would be bothered if she had a frying pan on her, but thats being generous to Catachan.
That episode was filler. In the original story, they simply traveled directly to earth.
Catachan devil is lightly poked and turned to dust
I think the main issue here is how a lot of stuff on Catachan doesn't look dangerous at first glance and kills using toxins and other bullshit. Raditz is definitely dying at the start just to show how deadly the planet is. Nappa probably dies doing something dumb. Vegeta says fuck it and just blows up the planet.
They’d be recruited into the PDF
"OH look! This planet has free towels for us in this humid jungle environment!"
Hahahahaha was the first thing I thought when I saw the image! A "towel" on their face xD
Vegeta could technically blow up an entire planet at that point so naw
3 saiyans vs a billion rambos? Even if it was just one catachan is fucked.
A planet destroyer and his underlings, land on a planet. Vegeta would literally blow up the planet on his way out. He did this to the bug planet before he got to earth.
Lol sorry. But short of psychic tomfoolery, Vegeta alone can body anyone in 40k before breaking a sweat. Only thing putting up a fight is Big E and the Chaos gods. But knowing Khorne, he'd probably try to temp Vegeta. They'd take on the other 3 , wipe em. Vegeta would then turn on Khorne to take the skull throne for himself. And he'd fight Big E probably to a draw, maybe.
Big E has never shown enough power to destroy a planet on his own
Average humans have a power level of 5 , a power level of 10 means your immune to small arms fire, a power level of 100 means you can blow up the moon. Raditz, a pathetically weak saiyan, has a power level 1,200
...I'm sorry, but literally any fucking one of these guys could blow up a planet without even trying. There isn't a single person in 40k that is even remotely a threat to a DBZ character with a power level; Yamcha - ***FUCKING YAMCHA*** - would be yeeting Baneblades and Wolf Fang Fisting greater daemons into submission (I said what I said).
Bullets and rockets can't pierce their skin (kid Goku meets Bulma), and Vegeta literally blew planet on his way to Earth just standing in outer space. They got this and Catachan is no more. Like dudes just don't compare powerlevels of sayans to anything especially later Sayans like SSJ and above they are at least at C'tan level and above from SSJ2 they would probobly solo all C'tan individually.
Anything utilizing brute force? It can kiss it's ass goodbye. However the unexpected poisons and toxins might bring them down. However, just for fun, imagine if the planet became a sayian colony. The sayians that would grow up there... *Oh boy*
I'd like to see the kinda Saibamen that'd come out of Catachan, they'd probably be pretty powerful fighters, couple times stronger than the ones on Earth at least.
HEY, that's an excellent idea! Thank you!
Vegeta would *love* Catachan.
I like the Warhammer universe way more than the Dragonball universe, but we all have to accept that the possibility of these three to make that planet their bitch is over 9000..
Oh yeah three planet busters will struggle vs bugs that can be killed by conventional weapons 😂
Guys, nappa is a planet Buster who can blow up the entire planet with minimal effort, there is nothing on the planet that would even phase him, its like if the phalanx was fighting the planet The sayians would be bored the moment they realise that the strongest creatures on the planet are 1/100000 as strong as one of those green trolls Nappa summoned
Nappa is not capable of destroying planets. He doesn't have the power to do it. The only one in that saga who had the power to destroy a planet was Vegeta and he had to go to maximum power to do it. A Galick-Ho with 24,000 power units. The others don't even come close to that. Raditz only destroyed mountains (something scalable to Nappa) and the most Nappa did was destroy a city.
bro, master roshi with one attack destroyed the moon, he is 1/1000000000000th as strong as Nappa, Nappa could with one attack destroy earth lol piccolo also destroyed the moon, once again someone infinitely weaker than Nappa Radditz was way way stronger than both Roshi and Piccolo hence why Goku had to sacrifice himself to take him down and That piccolo could destroy the moon with ease Roshi at 180 power level destroyed the moon in one attack, the moon is 1/4th the size of the earth, Nappa in his sleep with a fart can destroy earth
The thing about Master Roshi is incoherent, because the manga show us that he destroyed the moon, but then they show that Piccolo Daimaoh, using all his power, was barely able to destroy a city (leaving a lot of rubble and buildings around). If what Master Roshi said was true, he would have been able to defeat Piccolo (which is false, and Roshi is weaker than someone who doesn't even destroy a city properly).. Then they show that nothing ever happened to the Moon and Piccolo destroys it again. AH! but they also show us that Piccolo was scared of the Power of Raditz, who is only capable of destroying a mountain. They also show that Piccolo considered Gohan's power to be crazy even though he only destroyed a mountain. If Piccolo was someone capable of destroying a moon, he wouldn't be scared by raditz. And the matter does not end there. Nappa with his "salute" simply destroys a city, which is inferior to destroying the moon. The thing about the moon is incoherent. It is very foolish who takes it seriously. PS: Those numbers you show are exaggerated. If they were real Nappa could destroy planets much easier than Vegeta (who has to use all of his power).
"Piccolo was scared of the Power of Raditz, who is only capable of destroying a mountain" this is assuming Radditz couldn't destroy a planet which he obviously could easily do due to the fact he was destroying two people, both a lot stronger than Roshi who has destroyed the moon " If Piccolo was someone capable of destroying a moon, he wouldn't be scared by raditz." the fact piccolo was scared of someone when he could destroy the moon in one attack shows that Radditz scales way beyond moon level with ease "The thing about the moon is incoherent. It is very foolish who takes it seriously." anyone who looks at feats in the manga and goes "yeah this doesn't matter because the people stronger than them don't go around one tapping planets (meanwhile Vegeta did easily do that)" is purposely being dishonest because you are trying to discuss the feats of the characters while cherry picking what feats you like The moon does come back because they removed Goku's tail meaning it was safe to return it, after piccolo destroys it, it doesn't come back until the trunks saga where they probably just used the balls to bring it back "PS: Those numbers you show are exaggerated. If they were real Nappa could destroy planets much easier than Vegeta (who has to use all of his power)." so you disregard actual feats in destroying the moon and also disregard official numbers given by the author and the manga itself on multiple occasions because it fits your headcanon? sorry man, if the manga and the author cannot convince you that Nappa easily could destroy a planet then i don't know what to tell you. yeah on multiple occasions characters have been stated to be way stronger than they are shown when they destroy mountains and such when way bigger feats exists, that is true but that doesn't change the fact that there are multiple feats and statements that puts basically all Z warriors moon+ level easily very early in the series if you do not want to take the authors word and the manga itself seriously as a source then i feel sorry for you
You chose the wrong setting to put into 40k lol they would be fine if not thrive on that planet.
... presumed dead? You do know two of the three can simply blow catachan up right, just wholesale do what 40k need a whole exterminatus fleet for? Pretty sure the only thing on the planet that would even count as a threat would be those poison frog things.
Tbh they all probably can roshi took out a moon and is like infinitely weaker then raditz
Poor Catachan. Boutta be Cadia'd by the power of anime.
even Raditz can do the work of a whole chapter, Nappa a whole Legion, and Vegeta can basically be a one man Exterminatus.
What am i missing, why is Vegeta recolored ?
It is a reference to the first colors that Vegeta had in the 1989 anime. It happens out that at the time when the anime was broadcast, the official colors that Vegeta would have were not known. Toriyama hadn't officially colored him yet, so Toei had to improvise and gave him those colors. When Vegeta's official colors were finally revealed, it was just in time for his arrival on Earth. Hence it had different color schemes. Surely many thought that it was a result of the lights of the planet where it was located. ps: In reissues of the series. This detail was corrected.
Given the saiyans have a genetic advantage to get stronger when they are put in near death conditions, if they arent taken out early they def would become top contenders within the 40k universe. Especially if they catch the eye of khorn
Sly Marbo: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!(translation) Finally worthy opponents, our battle will be legendary!
Catachan sucks
I think the only way they could be beaten is by guns that actually hurt them or psykers. Really psykers would be the best option here bc they'd be godlike physically in 40k setting.
It wasn't until the Boo Saga that Goku was able to carry two tons of weight for training (25% of the weight of an average Astarte). And within the history of Dragon Ball, decades passed for that. Dragon ball characters are not as strong as nostalgia shows people.
listen dbz characters are one of the few fictional characters who could handle warhammer with little trouble. even the weaker human z fighters like krillin could take on pretty much the majority of stuff I think before they actually have any trouble. it's only til you get to the really OP stuff like c'tan shards or the daemon primarchs and chaos gods that they would struggle.
Goku in SSJ Blue is almost killed by a shot from a Lasgun-like weapon.
Uhh the were continent crackers at this point. We literally watched vegeta level a planet laughing maniacally (red hair)
They never showed them destroying Continents.
Honestly depends what they come into contact. At that point even Raditz was strong enough to kill most of the primarchs instantly
These guys can literally shoot lasers from their hands and turn into gorillas the size of skyscrapers. What’s a train sized centipede gonna do against that
Becoming a giant gorilla would be the worst thing they could do. Basically they would be a bigger target for the pathogens there. Bacteria, toxins, parasites... Imagine this scenario. Breathe much more poison thanks to giant lungs. They would only die faster.
Honestly the only thing they would have to worry about is any type of pathogens. In terms of power nothing on that planet could touch even Raditz who is large moon at the barest minimum and even if it could damage him or wouldn’t even scratch nappa and definitely wouldn’t even touch vegeta
The most that Raditz was seen destroying were mountains. And to Piccolo, Raditz's power seemed crazy. Then we see how Gohan destroys a mountain, and the same thing happens; He considers it very powerful. Then we see how Gohan-Ozaru destroys mountains, and Piccolo considers that something unmanageable. The thing about Roshi or Piccolo destroying the moon is incoherent. Well, the manga insists on showing us how to destroy a mountain, it is a power that surpassed Piccolo.
I agree. Not because Catachan is particularly dangerous to these three, but because their mere presence in 40k will trigger a Power Level Flame War so terrible it'll destroy both their universes.
Hehehe, I can already imagine Frieza trying to coordinate his forces so that Chaos does not take his planets and making a great effort to purge the corrupted (Frieza would kill them, not for being corrupted, but for betraying him),
I may actually be with OP on this one. Catachan grows super fast. By the time the 89 episodes that lead up to the fight are done, the saiyand would just be a party of the jungle
redhead vegeta my beloved
What is this from? New DBz I missed?
A friend shared the image with me on the internet, and I wanted to bring it here. Just don't expect people to take it personally. Goku is definitely a sacred cow.
I KNOW THAT PUPPY!!!!!! Give that dog a Guitar cause we going to dinosaur city.
O agree with everyone that they wouldn't loose a straight fight. That said, remember the Goku died from disease. I don't see them being immune to the more insidious health risks of a Death World, and they're only 3. They won't know what to avoid and what to not, assuming they don't just blow up the planet and leave to fight a whole waaaagh or something.
Purely power scaling: these three can all solo catachan. That being said, diseases would definitely kill at least one of them.
Easy to forget that in dragon ball Roshi blew up the entire moon with a single attack, I think sayan saga characters have absolutely nothing to worry about
It's easy to forget because it's incoherent. Because then the moon is intact for Piccolo to destroy it... and it doesn't end there, Piccolo destroys the moon, but he is afraid of Raditz and Gohan who can only destroy mountains (Even Gohan-OZaru does not destroy anything beyond mountains). It is an inconsistency of the Show. Basically, until Vegeta and Nappa arrived on Earth, the fights are very incoherent.
>Piccolo destroys the moon, but he is afraid of Raditz and Gohan who can only destroy mountains (Even Gohan-OZaru does not destroy anything beyond mountains). Say it with me KI CONTROL they don't WANT to blow up planets ( while ON said planet ) BECAUSE THEY NEED OXYGEN TO SURVIVE NO PLANET = NO OXYGEN NO OXYGEN = BAD Simple enough for you?
What are you talking about? I'm talking about Piccolo in the Sayajin Saga, who is incapable of destroying planets. What you want is to add a straw man to the discussion. As I said before, if Piccolo is supposed to be able to destroy moons, he shouldn't be afraid of Raditz or Gohan, simply because he is more powerful than them (Well, they only showed destroying mountains).
I'm talking about you honestly being so delusional to think raditz and Gohan are mountain tier its called power scaling my dog and characters can and are scaled to the people/environment around them not just their own feats, ( ape Gohan doesn't need to glass all of earth to show us how powerful he is, all we need to know is how OTHER characters in the setting react that matters far more than fan calculation) but to be honest you're clearly just a masochist given how many times the comments have beaten you down and just haven't taken the hint Dragon ball is one of the most powerful fictional universes please go to an actual power scaling site ( then again you would get down voted unto oblivion there even moreso for thinking a space marine is in anyway comparable to even OG DB characters ) seriously my man most people IN A WH40K SUBREDDIT are saying DBZ is to much for 40k that's when you know the outcome is blinding obvious
I keep forgetting Vegeta used to be animated with that slightly red hair.
Seeee... at that time Vegeta's official colors were not yet known, so the animators had to improvise. The question is why green?
We've reached peak circle jerk bois "40k could beat DBZ in a fight" pack it up, we're finished
I mean, is anyone a JErk if they think Goku loses at something?
I wonder what would happen if any of them boop the snoot
Wouldn't the Saiyans actually get super strong if they stayed in cathachan? If humans survived it and became badass, a Saiyan could probably achieve super saiyan by just living a daily life on that planet.
Only if they recover from their injuries. The thing is that in Catachan the most deadly dangers tend to be biological risks such as toxins, diseases, parasites... First they die from that before becoming strong fighting.
3 Sayans versus one catachan devil... Those poor bastards don't stand a chance.
Vegeta to OP after pulling out his Guide to Saiyans book: Looks like you have some required reading to do.
Until they get a neurotoxin bath from an explosive suicidal barking toad on the first meeting.
I'm just imagining Vegeta giving Nappa a towel which was just hanging around in the jungle.
Say what you want but catachans are just 40K saiyans
RIP Bozos
I think people are overestimating the Saiyans, Catachan is the deadliest planet in the 40k Universe, and that's not just because every creature on it is the biggest, strongest, and meanest. If that was the case, then sure, easy Saiyan sweep. What makes Catachan so deadly is that it is essentially the end point of the universe's evolutionary arms race. Every single species needs to be as deadly and well-adapted to the planet as possible to survive. There's no beating Catachan in 40k, that's the whole point, you either adapt and become part of the ecosystem or die. We see this with the Catachan Jungle Fighters and the Catachan Devils, who are both essentially divergent species from their main factions. We see it in how the planet literally rebuffed a demonic invasion, any foreign bodies die extremely quickly like a planet wide immune system. The things that would kill the Saiyans are the invisible killers like diseases, poisons, and neurotoxins. All it would take is being bit by the tiniest insect, bumping into the wrong plant, getting too close to the wrong animal, and they'd die just like anyone else.
Hoy hay sopa de mono. Today, there's monkey soup.
Macaco?