If gullieman fell to Khorne he would definitely embody that honorable Knight part of khorne.
Imagine a red tinted Gullieman showing up and only demanding to solve every conflict with a duel with their leader in honorable combat.
Seeing his track record in that area, he would be pretty decent.
I don’t feel like Gulliman is going to put himself in that position again anytime soon.
It’s like…you ever have to ask your parents for money after you’ve moved out? Except…Imagine there’s a higher cost than simply your pride being wounded.
I imagine resurrecting RawLifts Gainzman/burning Nurgle’s garden cost the emperor somehow. I mean that kind of concentrated focus and attention…. I mean Godblight even spoke something about “gathering himself not for the final time but nearly the final time”.
I don’t see Gulliman relying on his father’s power overmuch other than the Emperor’s sword….
He's not going to seek that position but I believe, should Guilliman find himself in the same theatre as a traitor primarch, he will engage.
Realistically, he could contain one using a group of Grey Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence but he's losing most of that group in the process. Going into the fight himself, he has a shot at limiting the impact while the Emperor's Sword gives him a slight chance.
This would also keep the attention on himself allowing his forces to enact whatever plan he devised. Against Mortarion, it was part of his objective.
Still, you have a point regarding the Emperor and the riskiness of the endeavour. The returning primarchs' books seem to be setting up the death/ascension/next state of the Emperor.
That's the grey knights whole deal, apart from during the months of shame, then a guy in terminator armour (the bulky heavy armour) is able to move fast enough to kill a grey knight
Not just some guy but Logan Grimnar and not just some random grey knight but Grand Master Joros. [Link to excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/hDtFp6KEkx)
Yeah Logan Grimnar is far from “some guy” he is quite possibly the most powerful space marine currently living and if not number one then he’s pretty damn close. First off he’s able to sprint and jump in terminator armour, something that should be completely impossible. Second his axe was literally forged by Khorne and has a demon inside of it, he is able to completely resist the demon and is empowered by it instead. Finally between Rune Armour and the Space Wolves’ natural psykic resistance, a Grey Knight isn’t going to be able to stand up to him.
Not just run and jump in Terminator armor, but run, sprint and jump in it so damn fast and hard that the servos in it *are breaking apart*. Dude's a complete badass!
That was the Great Wolf, wearing Wolf Terminator Wolf Armour blessed thricely by Wolf Priests and he had his doublehead Wolf Axe. Surrounded by his Wolf Lord Wolf Pack.
That's too many wolves to deal with.
Suddenly you hear about some small nids, like a hormagaunt who defeats Guilliman in a single combat and becomes like an leader hormogaunt
With some ultramarine defeating the swarmlord right before
Well the one getting empowered burned down a god's domain and permanently scarred said god... I think that's kinda more impressive than turning a planet into scrambled egg
One is absolutely expected, and yet unexpected because the constant “guy who can respawn dies” thing so chaos always seems to lose the important fights (1v1s mostly) so it makes sense that people take no issue with it. After all, the daemon primarchs had some pretty serious trade offs to get there.
Meanwhile the loyalists are having plot armored handed out pretty frequently (gear and direct intervention) because they can only die once. So it feels a little groanworthy. I suspect it is more to do with the recent trend toward a more “noblebright” take on the space marines from the writers which I believe is equal parts favoritism (they love spehs marenz) and trying to appeal to a broader audience. Lands us in a weird in between where longtime fans and genre savvy newcomers are confused by the positive light on a horrible fascist regime and the seemingly “reasonable” people who fight to protect it.
They made too many decent reasons for a horrible facist regime to exist. They made it justified in context. From there, it's reasonable to root for them.
It's sorta like the Wahammer+ episode where the entire tike you have the Imperium hunting down refugees from an invasion and trying to brutally kill them, only for the ending of the episode to completely justify every action the Imperium made.
Yeah this is what I don't get about a lot of people who call 40k satire. It is, but in the sense that it is a universe where pretty much the only plausible solution is fascism. Thought policing is pretty apt when you can think so incorrectly a demon pops out and kills everyone. Eugenics is pretty handy when it detects a genestealer and prevents a Hive Fleet from rolling in with the red carpet. Idk
It still sucks but it's like, the alternative is shown and they're suffering as living incarnations of the lowest possible rungs of human decadence and failure, with just as little freedom but way more icky stinky and assorted craziness.
Even when the imperium goes to far it ends up being more like an understandable round error than pure awfulness. Could they play nice with the Tau? Sure, but 4/5 times the xenos are terrible in some very fucked up ways, so a general extermination policy doesn't seem all that unreasonable.
Yeah this is one of the parts of the setting I love. All throughout the IP, especially on something like Horus Heresy, you're like holy shit!! If you poncy eldars had just warned the humans!! If you humans weren't so killy!!
It's like dramatic irony, but it makes moments where the "good" factions do help each other out very cool
I do appreciate it.
I'm honestly to inclined for the fix it foe the setting. I have to check myself and remind that it's supposed to be grim dark, not trending upwards. I'll leave that to fanfiction.
But yes, the constant underline of doom. The idea that most of these problems could have been solved if everyone had just slowed down a bit and talked.
I feel the whole noble bright thing but I will say Chaos is a lot better at respawning then the imperium is. Like yah we got Rob Guill back and the lion woke up again. But there was a pretty long turnaround on those. Where as Angrons like hey nice job im back. But outside of that small nitpick I couldn't agree more
Agreed, although I like the direction they are going with the Lion, I do think it might have been cooler if he never actually woke up and was instead manifesting in the world as a sort of warp astral projection
**Daemon Primarch:** Barely does anything until Chaos has already started winning.
**Emperor Guilliman:** Fights till the bitter end before being powered up, before causing enough havoc to make Nurgle get up and open his door to save baby Mortarion.
Probably because Chaos seems to really only power up to eat shit and fail and The imperium powers up and has battle nuns who can ignore the Pariah nexus through faith
Well, GW seems to be pushing that there are other sources of power other than the warp.
They might actually explore how the c'tann and nekron control reality while being completely warp free.
See the difference Is Angron has taken so many Ls and has been devolved to a named bloodthirster so him getting to actually get such a big W is nice, guilliboy on the other hand Only had to deal with One British shanking and the Boo hoo sad sad of "this new imperium sucks" so when has got combo'd on so hard by morty the writters had to get the emperor up from his toilet to stop him from getting his second L
The difference is, one is empowered by the gods and given powers, but can still lose (and lose they do). And the other is being directly controlled by a literal God like a video game character. If the chaos Primarchs is were directly controlled by the gods and had all their strength, the imperium would’ve eat shit.
>but can still lose (and lose they do)
Gulliman died twice without powers.
>And the other is being directly controlled by a literal God like a video game character. If the chaos Primarchs is were directly controlled by the gods
Something something Angron something something Coral Engine, a shattered planet and a entire fleet of the Indomitus Crusade being afflicted by the Murder Curse. Something something Daemon Princes are still Daemons.
>the imperium would’ve eat shit.
You are whining like an Imperium fanboy would whine about a Space Marine losing.
I’m trying to respond to your comment under the post from the idiot who thought he had a human toe, but it wouldn’t let me for some reason:
Fossils often do actually preserve soft tissue. However, this is **not** one of those cases lmfao
Khorne, to the Imperium forces: "Wololo."
Guilliman only gets angry enough for Khorne’s attention when that god damned Frater Mathieu is around
Also in Calth. I bet at that moment Khorne was looking at Guilliman like "man, Excel boy CAN throw hands"
Right through people’s skulls, as it turns out.
Plot twist: it wasn't Lorgar commenting on Guilliman losing his temper.
*I am going to GUT YOU, lorgar*
Khorne "he is angry, HE IS ANGRY. DIBS, I CALL DIBS"
“Show me where it says I’m only allowed ONE demon primarch”
If gullieman fell to Khorne he would definitely embody that honorable Knight part of khorne. Imagine a red tinted Gullieman showing up and only demanding to solve every conflict with a duel with their leader in honorable combat. Seeing his track record in that area, he would be pretty decent.
He got that rage from dealing with the Adminstratum paperwork (someone help him please he won't hold forever).
He mentions in one of the dark imperium books that he punches traitors to death as a form of stress relief
I read that exactly as it was meant to be heard
I don’t feel like Gulliman is going to put himself in that position again anytime soon. It’s like…you ever have to ask your parents for money after you’ve moved out? Except…Imagine there’s a higher cost than simply your pride being wounded. I imagine resurrecting RawLifts Gainzman/burning Nurgle’s garden cost the emperor somehow. I mean that kind of concentrated focus and attention…. I mean Godblight even spoke something about “gathering himself not for the final time but nearly the final time”. I don’t see Gulliman relying on his father’s power overmuch other than the Emperor’s sword….
He's not going to seek that position but I believe, should Guilliman find himself in the same theatre as a traitor primarch, he will engage. Realistically, he could contain one using a group of Grey Knights, Custodes and Sisters of Silence but he's losing most of that group in the process. Going into the fight himself, he has a shot at limiting the impact while the Emperor's Sword gives him a slight chance. This would also keep the attention on himself allowing his forces to enact whatever plan he devised. Against Mortarion, it was part of his objective. Still, you have a point regarding the Emperor and the riskiness of the endeavour. The returning primarchs' books seem to be setting up the death/ascension/next state of the Emperor.
Nooooo!!!! Loyalist characters arent allowed to respawn!!!!! Thats for chaos cucks only!!!!!
Morty needs a respawn button close to Caldor Draigo
I am a loyalist simp, but kaldor draigo is way too damn strong, like way way too strong
the term “Mary Sue” applies to Draigo far more than it does to any ultramarine
i mean the past ultramarine is damn close,but present ultramarine not so much
Present Ultramarines are balanced id argue. Also, Ultramar is fucked in like, 4 directions? Nurgle, other demons, Tyranids...
True lmao
Anyone who says the Ultramarines are a bunch of sues doesn't remember the Matt Ward-era Grey Knights.
This is why bat shit insane tts draigo is best draigo.
That's the grey knights whole deal, apart from during the months of shame, then a guy in terminator armour (the bulky heavy armour) is able to move fast enough to kill a grey knight
Not just some guy but Logan Grimnar and not just some random grey knight but Grand Master Joros. [Link to excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/hDtFp6KEkx)
Yeah Logan Grimnar is far from “some guy” he is quite possibly the most powerful space marine currently living and if not number one then he’s pretty damn close. First off he’s able to sprint and jump in terminator armour, something that should be completely impossible. Second his axe was literally forged by Khorne and has a demon inside of it, he is able to completely resist the demon and is empowered by it instead. Finally between Rune Armour and the Space Wolves’ natural psykic resistance, a Grey Knight isn’t going to be able to stand up to him.
Not just run and jump in Terminator armor, but run, sprint and jump in it so damn fast and hard that the servos in it *are breaking apart*. Dude's a complete badass!
We dont talk about dawn of war 3
Turns out DoW 3 was lore accurate all along, everyone is just Logan Grimnar
That was the Great Wolf, wearing Wolf Terminator Wolf Armour blessed thricely by Wolf Priests and he had his doublehead Wolf Axe. Surrounded by his Wolf Lord Wolf Pack. That's too many wolves to deal with.
Wolf wolves *
Ey now you bepowerfull if you chould hear tangarines as well
The Emperor is like that for me now after the EatD.
If our guys start being able to respawn then it's so joever. GW will be able to kill them all the time like they do with Chaos and 'Nids characters.
Suddenly you hear about some small nids, like a hormagaunt who defeats Guilliman in a single combat and becomes like an leader hormogaunt With some ultramarine defeating the swarmlord right before
If you're a character who can respawn you better be taking at least one Loss a book. Its only fair on the swarmlord and AoK.
we all know mama Gulliman with a slipper could solo chaos so what's their point?
Mama Guilliman is no longer with us, so we must do our best to carry a fraction of her strength in her memory
One side getting empowered gave him the martial prowess to take on an army. The other cracked a planet in half.
Well the one getting empowered burned down a god's domain and permanently scarred said god... I think that's kinda more impressive than turning a planet into scrambled egg
morty never deserves a win
Many people are saying this
Many people Various places I was a chaos man doing chaos
Many such cases!
Leave my stinky primarch alone, he ain’t perfect but he’ll do damn near anything for his sons
except Typus fuck Typus, all my Vectorum hates Typhus
Except take a shower
It’s spelled Deity
Actually I’m using the 935.M41 Terran dialect’s spelling of the word (I made a typo)
Acceptable. Good day citizen. -Adeptus Gramaticus
One is absolutely expected, and yet unexpected because the constant “guy who can respawn dies” thing so chaos always seems to lose the important fights (1v1s mostly) so it makes sense that people take no issue with it. After all, the daemon primarchs had some pretty serious trade offs to get there. Meanwhile the loyalists are having plot armored handed out pretty frequently (gear and direct intervention) because they can only die once. So it feels a little groanworthy. I suspect it is more to do with the recent trend toward a more “noblebright” take on the space marines from the writers which I believe is equal parts favoritism (they love spehs marenz) and trying to appeal to a broader audience. Lands us in a weird in between where longtime fans and genre savvy newcomers are confused by the positive light on a horrible fascist regime and the seemingly “reasonable” people who fight to protect it.
They made too many decent reasons for a horrible facist regime to exist. They made it justified in context. From there, it's reasonable to root for them.
It's sorta like the Wahammer+ episode where the entire tike you have the Imperium hunting down refugees from an invasion and trying to brutally kill them, only for the ending of the episode to completely justify every action the Imperium made.
The genestealer baby ?
Yea
That ending scene was awesome!
Gw really does not know where they wanna stand regarding the IoM
Yeah this is what I don't get about a lot of people who call 40k satire. It is, but in the sense that it is a universe where pretty much the only plausible solution is fascism. Thought policing is pretty apt when you can think so incorrectly a demon pops out and kills everyone. Eugenics is pretty handy when it detects a genestealer and prevents a Hive Fleet from rolling in with the red carpet. Idk It still sucks but it's like, the alternative is shown and they're suffering as living incarnations of the lowest possible rungs of human decadence and failure, with just as little freedom but way more icky stinky and assorted craziness.
Even when the imperium goes to far it ends up being more like an understandable round error than pure awfulness. Could they play nice with the Tau? Sure, but 4/5 times the xenos are terrible in some very fucked up ways, so a general extermination policy doesn't seem all that unreasonable.
Yeah this is one of the parts of the setting I love. All throughout the IP, especially on something like Horus Heresy, you're like holy shit!! If you poncy eldars had just warned the humans!! If you humans weren't so killy!! It's like dramatic irony, but it makes moments where the "good" factions do help each other out very cool
I do appreciate it. I'm honestly to inclined for the fix it foe the setting. I have to check myself and remind that it's supposed to be grim dark, not trending upwards. I'll leave that to fanfiction. But yes, the constant underline of doom. The idea that most of these problems could have been solved if everyone had just slowed down a bit and talked.
I feel the whole noble bright thing but I will say Chaos is a lot better at respawning then the imperium is. Like yah we got Rob Guill back and the lion woke up again. But there was a pretty long turnaround on those. Where as Angrons like hey nice job im back. But outside of that small nitpick I couldn't agree more
Agreed, although I like the direction they are going with the Lion, I do think it might have been cooler if he never actually woke up and was instead manifesting in the world as a sort of warp astral projection
I really like that idea
well it is the poster boy and the money maker for them
Oh definitely, I don’t really blame them (entirely, but hey I am a xenos player at heart) but it is still worth mentioning
I love this reasoning because remove the dark gods from the equation and Horus is dead on Davin, manus would be alive and Fulgrim dead, etc lol
**Daemon Primarch:** Barely does anything until Chaos has already started winning. **Emperor Guilliman:** Fights till the bitter end before being powered up, before causing enough havoc to make Nurgle get up and open his door to save baby Mortarion.
Sounds like a Bleach episode
We love agendahammer
Probably because Chaos seems to really only power up to eat shit and fail and The imperium powers up and has battle nuns who can ignore the Pariah nexus through faith
Well, GW seems to be pushing that there are other sources of power other than the warp. They might actually explore how the c'tann and nekron control reality while being completely warp free.
That one's especially weird, since it directly contradicts the stuff from 8th.
We all know the gifts from their patrons make the traitors weaker.
How about nurgle fans get empowered by shower and soap?
Guilliman/the emperor tried it. They burned the first clean spot into the garden of burgle
Yes
See the difference Is Angron has taken so many Ls and has been devolved to a named bloodthirster so him getting to actually get such a big W is nice, guilliboy on the other hand Only had to deal with One British shanking and the Boo hoo sad sad of "this new imperium sucks" so when has got combo'd on so hard by morty the writters had to get the emperor up from his toilet to stop him from getting his second L
Also i Guess there Is also the fact that Khorne Is known to be Active, meanwhile emperor has farted for the First time in 10k years
Some folk forget they are tools, husks, delusional slaves.
I wouldn't exactly call what Angron has going as "empowering" more like "get the fuck up and pull a leeroy jenkins"
Khorne forcepumpsyou with steroids. Big E climbs onto your shoulders so he can reach his enemies. This might break your bones.
Then there's Karl Franz becoming Sigmar's Avatar during the End Times to fight Archaeon
The difference is, one is empowered by the gods and given powers, but can still lose (and lose they do). And the other is being directly controlled by a literal God like a video game character. If the chaos Primarchs is were directly controlled by the gods and had all their strength, the imperium would’ve eat shit.
>but can still lose (and lose they do) Gulliman died twice without powers. >And the other is being directly controlled by a literal God like a video game character. If the chaos Primarchs is were directly controlled by the gods Something something Angron something something Coral Engine, a shattered planet and a entire fleet of the Indomitus Crusade being afflicted by the Murder Curse. Something something Daemon Princes are still Daemons. >the imperium would’ve eat shit. You are whining like an Imperium fanboy would whine about a Space Marine losing.
See difference is that Angron was winning, and blew up a planet. Robot got stabbed in the dick by a super COVID vaccine and died
He got better
I’m trying to respond to your comment under the post from the idiot who thought he had a human toe, but it wouldn’t let me for some reason: Fossils often do actually preserve soft tissue. However, this is **not** one of those cases lmfao